Lord of the Rings mafia: Game Over

[adumbrodeus]

Ok, elaborate please, why does it strike you as scummy as opposed to simply being a misread?

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Because Riddle was the ONLY one he had with negative "points". If he had anyone else in negatives, I could pass it off as a misread. As it is, it's enough for a FoS.

 

[adumbrodeus]

unFoS


Good answers, from kirbyoshi, what the world coming to?



Fair enough, now you've got a reason for suspicion, try asking chaco some questions, putting some pressure on him, lets see what he does.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

He's V/LA for haxxorz apparently (Social Thread). I'll ask him when he gets back so he doesn't miss the questions I have.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

kirbyoshi. What is your read on me?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Vote: Vrael


My case against your playerslot stands.




Why OS though? He was FAR from confirmed town, perhaps they simply did it on the basis of him being a strong player, I somehow don't think they realized exactly what he was trying to accomplish (easy target play).


Overall, his death makes me more suspicious of Chaco, Yoshi, and Summoner/Vreal due to their confrontations with him, particularly summoner/Vreal because he tried to do pretty much exactly what his play was designed to attract.

I don't exactly understand why you're lumping me in with Summoner, considering that he approached the game far differently than I plan on doing, and far differently than I would have approached the situation with Overswarm. But for now I can see why you might do that, despite disagreeing with it.

Well, this is annoying. My top suspect is dead. *goes to reread*

Isn't it good then that you didn't go for him and lynch him? Why are you "upset" about this? It saved you a mislynch which would have cost us. With the lynch of a townie yesterday and two NKs, lynching another one accidentally would certainly not have been good.

Nich, I'm pretty sure that isn't a good idea... I've never heard of people from the same game replacing other characters. Anyway,

vote: Xonar

Everything still stands from yesterday. Vrael, please come in and update us. Summoner has done little.

I'm not a big ISO guy, I don't really have the patience to do that. But I'll just post my general thoughts on yesterday (from my reread) and the NK.

So the game started off pretty quickly actually, mainly because of some of the stuff with Tom's posts, that propelled the game out of RVS pretty quickly. I guess the suspicion on Tom continued throughout the game, not only with Tom but also into his replacement, Chaco. I guess I'll start with my thoughts on him. He came in and received some instant heat from people because he was replacing Tom, who many had suspected. This carried over in the form of lots of pressure, a lot coming from OS. I can understand some of his frustration, but I didn't like the AtE coming from him. I feel like OS was pushing a little bit too hard, and I'd like to hear what Chaco thinks about the NK. I'd like to see how he responds to this before I form a real opinion about him.

I'm getting a pretty good read from Macman so far. He hasn't really done anything that strikes me as suspicious, and he's contributed pretty well to town. I'm obviously not going to clear him or anything, but as of now I'm getting a town vibe from him.

I really don't have much on Kirbyoshi. I don't like his earlier post today, the one that I quoted above. He only has 15 posts, I'd really like him to post more. I've played a game with him before, and it seems like he's always battling inactivity no matter what. Now regarding his playstyle, I don't really like it. He said he didn't like OS in what, two posts? Never brought up any evidence, just said "OS is scum." I really don't like that, and it doesn't help town at all. I'm going to FoS: Kirbyoshi for now. I'm not one to throw around my vote much, so I'm saving it at the moment.

I understand the Riddle lynch, but I'm a little surprised at how quickly it turned from Chaco to Riddle. Riddle was playing terribly to be honest, but I don't really know what to make of the quick change at this point.

I really am not liking Xonar's play. I've never been in a game with him, so I don't know if this is a regular thing or what, but it certainly isn't pro-town behavior. I'd like some legitimate posts from him sometime soon, I don't like all his little one liners. Macman has some too, but they're offset by his good posts. It doesn't seem like Xonar has anything to offset them, though.

Adum has given me pretty town vibes throughout. I can understand his thoughts regarding me because of Summoner's (admittedly) poor play throughout the game. I plan on staying active as much as possible, and I surely do not plan on playing like he was. Although Summoner and I share the same role, we do not share the same playstyle, and I don't want his held against me. But I can understand the rationale behind it. His posts D1 were generally good, and not much that he's said has really struck me as suspicious, although I dislike the vote on me simply because of Summoner's play. For now I have similar feelings with him and Macman.

McCloud hasn't really done much that has struck me as too scummy either. His posts in general didn't really jump out at me. I might have to go back and just reread his stuff, but at this point I don't really see why Riddle thought he was scum. If I do go back I'll post any new thoughts I have regarding him.

Uh so yeah I guess those are my thoughts.

 

[Chaco]

I cannot post much due to my computer, yet I am here. It's just a hassle to post seeing as how I have to reset before each post.

Also, @Adum, that suspicion on me is in poor taste regarding OS's flip because that is an easy scum strat to force a mislynch. I can go ahead and claim if need be because I can alr

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Oh this thing started again. I'll be with you guys this afternoon.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

@Mac: Typical Mactown read on you. You like to **** around alot but you make good posts along the way.

@Vrael: Skim less. Adum addressed that post already.

 

[McCloud]

. I can go ahead and claim if need be because I can alr

??? What? :O

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

@Vrael: Skim less. Adum addressed that post already.

I saw his post obviously, considering that I quoted it. At the time I started my post, you hadn't posted your answer yet, so I was pointing out that it struck me as odd.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Vrael, you did not quote the post where he questioned me on my first post of the Day. But I see what you're getting at, and it's alright

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

You mean this post? Yeah I did. Look at the top of my post.

It's the same post, I just edited out the part regarding you because I wanted to address it myself.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Oh, I get your point. Thx.

Anyway, who agrees at this point that Xonar is the most deserving of a lynch?

 

[Chaco]

??? What? :O

Urg. I did't think that had posted cause my internet froze up but apparently it did. Anyways, what I was saying was since I know a lot of heat will be coming my way I'd rather go ahead and clear myself now instead of wasting a day throwing more unnecessary, and aimless heat on me. This will inhibit some, but I feel as if it's the best move seeing as how it is now down to 2v5. With a possible Lylo tomorrow, I want to lynch right toDay.

 

[McCloud]

Then do it?

 

[Chaco]

I wanted a Universal opinion before doing so, is that okay? I'd rather not have a person pissed off because I didn't wait for his/her opinion.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Still don't see why a scum would play like I did, can someone explain to me what exactly a scum would accomplish by being me? :/

Adum is town imo

McCloud what changed between post 226 and 224? I don't like the flipflop there.

tom/riddle is my current scum pairing and has been for a while.

you can't expect me to answer your questions willingly if you refuse to answer mine xonar.

What you have atm then mac?

Chaco do you think your iso took the posts in context correctly?

mayb more coming.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Mac u have delishus chaco meta, town or scum?

OS would you say that you're buddying me?

Seriously, I'm gonna need you to say something other than "I agree." Though that vote should probably be on Riddle to keep sufficient pressure.

Quote my parotting lol

Anyone else drawing lines between LotR summ and that9mangame Scummoner?

page28, thats enough for now.

 

[McCloud]

@Xonar, it's because you were nonexistent at that point, and nonexistent people are less likely to be scum in my opinion. You were scummy then, but I let it slide, and now you just cannot do anything to unscrew yourself and make yourself useful. Period. That last post was about FOREVER too late, but it's a move in the right direction. Make more contributions.

 

[Chaco]

FoS: Xonar for being a dumb dumb head. OS is dead.

@Xonar: I believe I did, yes. I went through and multiquoted out of each page.

Also, opinion on my roleclaim?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

226 and 234 are like 8 posts apart? teh **** mccloud

Oh and os being dead? eh yeah, sorry about that, kinda forgot it while rereading.

On roleclaim ill come back to that later, if you dont mind.

 

[McCloud]

Right, and what I'm saying still stands. Catch up dude, we're in the 500s and you've barely posted anything of substance.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm asking what changed your mind over 8 posts.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I don't exactly understand why you're lumping me in with Summoner, considering that he approached the game far differently than I plan on doing, and far differently than I would have approached the situation with Overswarm. But for now I can see why you might do that, despite disagreeing with it.

You're not wiggling out of it that easily, summoner committed major scumtells, hell he breadcumbed that OS was busing Chaco if he flipped scum, if nothing else.



This made me somewhat more suspicious of chaco because he might have been trying to get OS to back off in order to protect chaco, but not much, because it took heavy pressure for me to force anything out of him, so him attempting to implicate both chaco and OS seems more likely at the moment. If he wanted to protect Chaco he would've said it of his own accord.


Add to the fact that OS was an incredibly easy target, but he didn't ever actually do anything scummy, just anti-town. That made it easy to feel safe jumping on his bandwagon which I think was exactly what he was trying to attract.


That combined with his incredibly scummy activity pattern tells me one thing, your playslot is almost definitely mafia and needs to die.

Also, @Adum, that suspicion on me is in poor taste regarding OS's flip because that is an easy scum strat to force a mislynch. I can go ahead and claim if need be because I can alr

WIFORM, if we assume scum never kill people that pressure them then scum can kill people who pressure them with impunity, which means we should assume that scum kill people who pressure then and on and on.


Scum do both, kill people who target them and kill people who targeted other people to force suspicion on the people who were targeted. They also target strong players (which OS definitely was) and just attempt to WIFORM everyone.


I don't know which it is yet, that's why I'm placing minor suspicion on you, you're too obvious a target, but it's still possible depending on how desperately you wanted him dead. Vrael and Kirbyoshi are more likely candidates.


At this point it's something I'll keep in mind.




You're under nowhere near enough suspicion to roleclaim, even if you're claiming vanilla.

 

[adumbrodeus]

@everyone: Still waiting for some other NK analysis from you guys, it's incredibly important in a game like this.


Also, opinions on Summoner's play and Vrael's play please?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

k im on my phone atm so im not able to post that much but im reading as much as possible. adum i plan on responding when i can get back on a comp.

 

[Chaco]

I'll agree, it is WIFOM. However, it is meant to be portrayed as such. But we'll drop this for now.

And your response was the reason I waited to roleclaim, I want it unanimous.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I never intended to zero in on it, it's just something to consider depending on what information comes up in the future.


Chaco, what do you think of my case against Vrael's playslot?

 

[McCloud]

Chaco, you need to claim, otherwise you're going to die tonight anyway. If you have information, spill it. Quit acting so god **** important.

@Vrael need that update

@adum again, Vrael and Summoner have done little to belay anyones' fears.

@xonar You were nonexistent, like I said. Nonexistent generally leans toward town, but your consistent one posts make you scummy as all hell, which is the same case I made against Macman. Have you been keeping up with this game at all?

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Still don't see why a scum would play like I did, can someone explain to me what exactly a scum would accomplish by being me? :/

Tell me what town accomplishes by playing like that and I'll answer that.

FoS: Xonar for being a dumb dumb head. OS is dead.

Do you think Xonar is less likely to be scum because he forgot who the NK was?

I'm asking what changed your mind over 8 posts.

@McCloud: He's asking why you have a different opinion in one post than in the other. Didn't click on the link, but you do need to answer the question, even if he referenced the wrong post at first 9_9

@Adum: It's WIFOM, not WIFORM. I haven't got a clue what the R would even stand for lol

 

[McCloud]

I've answered his question 3 times now. Read it yourself.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Chaco, you need to claim, otherwise you're going to die tonight anyway. If you have information, spill it. Quit acting so god **** important.

Who says he's gonna die tonight?


Are you saying that if he doesn't claim, he's the lynch of the day? If so, why? Do you have a case?

@adum again, Vrael and Summoner have done little to belay anyones' fears.

So, do you agree with my case?

Tell me what town accomplishes by playing like that and I'll answer that.

Abdicating responsibility here, I don't like this case post.

Do you think Xonar is less likely to be scum because he forgot who the NK was?

He FoS'd xonar for forgetting who the NK was, what does that tell you?

@Adum: It's WIFOM, not WIFORM. I haven't got a clue what the R would even stand for lol

Out of all the things I've said, you choose to talk about THAT...



@Everyone: Xonar's play is weird, but at the moment, not scummy, the questions he's asking are useful.

Now, could you guys comment on the case against Vrael?

 

[McCloud]

There's no point in soft claiming a power role and claiming to have information and then not saying anything. He's obviously wanting to spill it, I don't know why he's hesitating.

@adum, generally yes. I was giving Summoner the benefit of the doubt, but Vrael hasn't done anything that would change my opinion of the slot considerably.

I think Chaco's town, but he needs to talk.

I think Xonar is really slow or really dumb.

Still don't see why a scum would play like I did, can someone explain to me what exactly a scum would accomplish by being me? :/

I think that post is scummy as all hell. You know when you're little, and a kid does something bad, and when you ask him why he did that, he responds "How did you know it was me?" That's what I get from this post.


I think Kirby needs more consistent input.

 

[McCloud]

EBWODP: Though I do think that Vrael has a chance to tell us exactly what's been going on from his perspective. Subbing in for another character in Pikmafia, I understand how hard it is to come in and start for someone else, but you gotta do it if we're gonna get anywhere.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Abdicating responsibility here, I don't like this case post.

My post showed that I didn't like Xonar's post that I quoted, while at the same time posing a question to him. I'm good on my word; when Xonar answers my question, I'll answer his. Still waiting on his answer though.

He FoS'd xonar for forgetting who the NK was, what does that tell you?

Let Chaco answer.

Out of all the things I've said, you choose to talk about THAT...

I haven't gotten to comment on much else you have said. Either someone else has said my thoughts before me, or I didn't find it worthy of comment.

Xonar's play is weird, but at the moment, not scummy, the questions he's asking are useful.

We can agree to disagree on that, I guess.

Now, could you guys comment on the case against Vrael?

I'd rather hear Vrael's comments first.

@McCloud: lol, I think you actually replaced Vrael in Pikmafia, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I know enough.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

wowwtf happened

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

My game helps town cuz I get information which can pretty much only be useful to a townie with decent deducting skills and can be used to catch scum.

 

[Chaco]

@Kirb: I'm not entirely sure. It's one of those "Dumb or Scum" things. The rest is WIFOM to jump into.