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Lord of the Rings mafia: Game Over

adumbrodeus

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How are you so sure of this? I've played in a fair share of games. Bad town players often make more scumslips than scum. I'm sure you've seen the same thing.
Bad scum makes more scumslips then bad town, and bad town makes particular scumslips, the slips summoner made are not that type of slip.






I really don't know why you're putting a lot of this on me. I'm not him, I have no idea what was going through his mind when he made his post regarding this. I can't argue for him if I don't agree with him.

Maybe if you actually discussed something regarding what I think currently as opposed to Summoner's bad play, it'd be a lot easier to respond to, and maybe you would actually listen to me. As of now it just seems like we're talking in circles about what Summoner did, and I can't say anything or do anything about his bad play. The only thing you have on me is Summoner's play.
Then you should've taken some initiative to develop some play of your own, that way we could get a read on you.


Since you have yet to even attempt to develop any cases, I see little reason to believe your play counteracts summoner's scummyness.




So, you have two basic objectives to convince me:

1. Prove that the mistakes he made were reasonable mistakes for noobtown.

2. Prove that your own play is not scummy.



I really don't know who scum is. I haven't really gotten a huge read on anyone. I really don't like Xonar's playstyle, but he could just be playing bad town. I don't really know.
This post confirms lack of scumhunting drive, congrats, you're starting to look about as scummy as summoner did on your own.
 

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I'm convinced on Vrael, Mac has posted nothing D2.
 

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Bad scum makes more scumslips then bad town, and bad town makes particular scumslips, the slips summoner made are not that type of slip.
This is just a generalization, you cannot automatically lump all scumslips into one group and bad town play into another. Yes, there are similarities, but saying they're all the same is taking it a bit too far.

Then you should've taken some initiative to develop some play of your own, that way we could get a read on you.
It was a bit difficult when I had your posts shoved down my throat right off the bat. I posted all of my thoughts upon entering the game, but no one seemed to take notice.


So, you have two basic objectives to convince me:

1. Prove that the mistakes he made were reasonable mistakes for noobtown.
You said that you feel that Summoner's post regarding OS potentially busing Chaco to be especially scummy. I think we both know that the suspicion itself is really nothing out of the ordinary; he simply stated his thoughts on what was going on in the game. You also stated that his lack of evidence behind this claim was one of if not the main reason that you found it scummy. But is it not unlike noobtown to leave out evidence or provide inadequate evidence to back up claims? Whether it is because of the lack of evidence to back up the claim (meaning an empty claim such as this) or evidence that isn't as concrete as one would hope, noobtown suspicions are often not backed up as well as they could be, which is shown in Summoner's play.

I'm going to sleep soon so I can go into the rest of what you found suspicious about him tomorrow.

2. Prove that your own play is not scummy.
I'll let my play determine that.

This post confirms lack of scumhunting drive, congrats, you're starting to look about as scummy as summoner did on your own.
How does the fact that I'm not sure make me have a "lack of scumhunting drive?" I'm not one to throw around votes lightly. And I expanded on my suspicions in the post above yours, in case you missed it.

I'm convinced on Vrael, Mac has posted nothing D2.
What are your feelings regarding Mac's dodgy activity (note: he did post on the 6th saying he would post later)?

He has been on SWF since then.

@Vrael: Are you afraid to push hard on Xonar? If so, why?
Why would you think that?
 

Kirbyoshi

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Vrael said:
This is just a generalization, you cannot automatically lump all scumslips into one group and bad town play into another. Yes, there are similarities, but saying they're all the same is taking it a bit too far.
What? This is the exact opposite of what he said. I don't even know where you got this from.

It was a bit difficult when I had your posts shoved down my throat right off the bat.
Fair enough point.

But is it not unlike noobtown to leave out evidence or provide inadequate evidence to back up claims?
Maybe so, but almost every level of scum uses inadequate reasoning for their points, because as a rule, the reasoning simply isn't there.

I'm going to sleep soon so I can go into the rest of what you found suspicious about him tomorrow.
You better.

I'm not one to throw around votes lightly.
I seem to remember this meta of you. However, I need to go back and check to see if it is town meta or scum meta.

Why would you think that?
Well, you said he's your #1 suspect (basically), but I don't see any push there. You seem very non-committal, and that's scummy.
 

Kirbyoshi

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Vrael said:
This is just a generalization, you cannot automatically lump all scumslips into one group and bad town play into another. Yes, there are similarities, but saying they're all the same is taking it a bit too far.
What? This is the exact opposite of what he said. I don't even know where you got this from.

It was a bit difficult when I had your posts shoved down my throat right off the bat.
Fair enough point.

But is it not unlike noobtown to leave out evidence or provide inadequate evidence to back up claims?
Maybe so, but almost every level of scum uses inadequate reasoning for their points, because as a rule, the reasoning simply isn't there.

I'm going to sleep soon so I can go into the rest of what you found suspicious about him tomorrow.
You better.

I'm not one to throw around votes lightly.
I seem to remember this meta of you. However, I need to go back and check to see if it is town meta or scum meta.

Why would you think that?
Well, you said he's your #1 suspect (basically), but I don't see any push there. You seem very non-committal, and that's scummy.
 

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I seem to remember this meta of you. However, I need to go back and check to see if it is town meta or scum meta.
You're probably thinking of SSBB Mafia, I was town in that. But you can recheck if you want obviously.

Well, you said he's your #1 suspect (basically), but I don't see any push there. You seem very non-committal, and that's scummy.
I mean there isn't much I can go off of because of his inactivity.

I'd like him and Macman to post there thoughts on what's happened as of late. Xonar, do you view your play as beneficial to town? If not, then why are you playing this way?
 

#HBC | Mac

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yo, i should really get lynched. I haven't done anything all day. **** is not acceptable.

but catching up now, been puttin this off for way too long
 

adumbrodeus

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This is just a generalization, you cannot automatically lump all scumslips into one group and bad town play into another. Yes, there are similarities, but saying they're all the same is taking it a bit too far.
Actually, a noobtown read is generally rather easy.



It was a bit difficult when I had your posts shoved down my throat right off the bat. I posted all of my thoughts upon entering the game, but no one seemed to take notice.
The fact that you drew limited commentary shows that you didn't produce enough content. It wasn't like people started agreeing with my case immediately, you had an opportunity to open up your own cases and counter-balance the read. But you were too passive, and like summoner, THAT'S ultimately the mistake that reveals you as scum.




You said that you feel that Summoner's post regarding OS potentially busing Chaco to be especially scummy. I think we both know that the suspicion itself is really nothing out of the ordinary; he simply stated his thoughts on what was going on in the game. You also stated that his lack of evidence behind this claim was one of if not the main reason that you found it scummy. But is it not unlike noobtown to leave out evidence or provide inadequate evidence to back up claims? Whether it is because of the lack of evidence to back up the claim (meaning an empty claim such as this) or evidence that isn't as concrete as one would hope, noobtown suspicions are often not backed up as well as they could be, which is shown in Summoner's play.

I'm going to sleep soon so I can go into the rest of what you found suspicious about him tomorrow.
Except that even passing it off as merely being suspicious is shaky at best, Summoner's phrasing was not anything along the lines of "this seems like a bus attempt".


If he had said something along the lines of "I think this might be a bus attempt", ok, I could see that.


But his phrasing was "back off OS, if you actually catch scum, everyone will think it's a bus".


I'm sorry, that's a clear attempt to manipulate town, and manipulation attempts that are too obvious are a noob-scum mistake, not a noob-town mistake.



I'll let my play determine that.
You have, it hasn't helped.



@Everyone: Deadline is less then 24 hours away, let's seal the deal with a lynch here.

yo, i should really get lynched. I haven't done anything all day. **** is not acceptable.

but catching up now, been puttin this off for way too long
Lynching obvios scum>lynching inactives/useless people.
 

#HBC | Mac

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who is the obvious scum?

I was gonna vote chaco cuz i still don't like toms play atthe beginning and chacos isos

i haven't read anything and i think i should get replaced for d3, I'm lacking the capacity to focus on this game
 

adumbrodeus

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Vrael, take a look at my case against him.


Basically, summoner fumbled his attempt to get my pressure off him real bad, and Vrael's has almost no defense while his passivity toDay has made his scummieness even more obvious.
 

Nicholas1024

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I owe you guys an apology, I have really been neglecting my mod duties in this game. If there hasn't been a lynch yet (which I don't think so), I'd be willing to extend the deadline 48 hours due to me failing. (Mafia, please send me a PM if you have any objection to this.) Anyway, votecount and prods coming shortly.
 

Nicholas1024

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I'll have to delay the votecount for a little bit, apologies. I'll get it up sometime today though.
 

Nicholas1024

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D2 Vote Count:
xonar(2): mccloud, kirbyoshi
kirbyoshi():
adumbrodeus():
mccloud():
Chaco():
macman():
Vrael(3):adumbrodeus, Xonar, Chaco


Prodding Xonar. Searching for a replacement

@Macman
Do you wish to be replaced? It's your choice (should I find a replacement).
 

Kirbyoshi

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Vrael, if you weren't at L-1, I'd hammer you now. Start posting cases/suspicions/real defenses/ANYTHING of substance now.
 

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Kirbyoshi, that doesn't even make sense. If I weren't at L-1 you wouldn't be able to hammer.

But anyway, it looks like I'm going to die today. I've tried defending my roleslot, but it seems like my predecessor has caused most of you to believe I am Mafia, considering that I'm now at L-1.

So it seems like all I can still do at this point is claim.

I am Sam, Town Cop.

Night one I investigated Overswarm, because I wanted to see if he was town going after someone he thought to be scum, or scum tunneling. Found him to be town obviously.
 

#HBC | Mac

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why would you investigate overswarm
gawd

vote: chaco
it is really time we got rid of him
 

adumbrodeus

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This... complicates things.


The thing is good cop play is somewhat scummy to avoid the NK, and going too far is a mistake I could see summoner making.



I need a reread.
 

adumbrodeus

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@mod: Is Xonar being replaced? If so, being kept in the dark right now makes it very difficult to decide about the lynch because you typically extend the deadline when a new player comes in.



Regardless, his play is too consistent with attempted good cop play (and I place a LOT of emphasis on "attempted") for me to be willing to lynch a claimed cop yet, at least not without a CC.

unvote

vote: xonar



Xonar seems the next best target due to his general scummyness and inactivity since nobody stands out as obvious scum atm, and we're too close to the deadline to develop a case.


NOBODY HAMMER UNTIL THE MOD TELLS US WHAT'S GOING ON AND XONAR/HIS REPLACEMENT GETS A CHANCE TO POST
 

Nicholas1024

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Xonar is currently V/LA. However, since he's been gone for so long, if I don't get confirmation from him that he's still interested in playing (along with any night action he might have) by the end of Night 2, I will replace him with Swiss. Deadline is midnight tonight.
 

#HBC | Mac

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ugh

xonar is such an easy lynch

i'm looking at kirbyoshi and chaco right now.

what has kirbyoshi done to convince us that he's town?
 

Nicholas1024

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I'm a bit tired of Xonar as well. Anyway, I've changed my mind.

Xonar has until 11:59 PM on July 15th to post. Should he not do so by then, I will replace him with Swiss. Deadline has been extended to 11:59 PM on July 17th. This will be the LAST deadline extension for today.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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ohfk

til 15? why didn't i get a pm? D:

anyways, im sorry for forsaking you guys and all of dgames, i spent my time with this girl n stuff.

I 100% understand if you want to replace me, i might even be gone til after this weekend, heh. i kinda suck getting back @ mafia right when im getting busy with stuff.
 
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