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Lord of the Rings mafia: Game Over

Swiss

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adumbrodeus said:
I wanna ask you something first, you seem to have very strong opinions that macman is scum, so I'm wondering why, why don't you have a vote on him?


Also, do you have more of a case against him?
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I mentioned him twice. Once to say he is scummy and useless and another to say I'd want him lynched if he won't be replaced.

What does the latter say to you? It says I'd have him lynched due to the fact he is not an asset in anyway to town, and has the same probability of being scum as any other player. If he were to be replaced, then I wouldn't necessarily want him lynched. So his scumminess is irrelevant to my point.

I do not have a full case on any player.


I don't have a vote on him as I am not prepared to lynch yet. Other people can by all means vote away.


Now I've answered you, perhaps you would do the honour of answering me. Also, why as it necessary or you to not answer me until I answered you, what extra information did you obtain?
 
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Swiss said:
I mentioned him twice. Once to say he is scummy and useless and another to say I'd want him lynched if he won't be replaced.

What does the latter say to you? It says I'd have him lynched due to the fact he is not an asset in anyway to town, and has the same probability of being scum as any other player. If he were to be replaced, then I wouldn't necessarily want him lynched. So his scumminess is irrelevant to my point.

I do not have a full case on any player.


I don't have a vote on him as I am not prepared to lynch yet. Other people can by all means vote away.


Now I've answered you, perhaps you would do the honour of answering me. Also, why as it necessary or you to not answer me until I answered you, what extra information did you obtain?
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I thought the answer was obvious, I was wondering if you were gonna convince me that he was scum first.


You haven't.




Kirbyoshi on the other hand has pretty much been scummy since d1. NK analysis ties him as the most likely person to kill overswarm, and unless scum was explicitly trying to frame kirbyoshi/chaco for it, the NK doesn't make sense because OS's behavior was anti-town enough that lynching him was viable.


Too late in the game to kill somebody for just being useless, lylo's tomorrow, we gotta catch scum and I don't think macman's scum, though I agree, him replacing out would be preferred.


vote: kirbyoshi


Seems like our most likely scum candidate atm.
 
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@ mod can you specify what time zone that is

Also it takes 4 to lynch, so he's L-1.

@ People - what do you think of Vrael's claim?

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Vrael, you have made claimed town cop, yet Overswarm, the person you decided to
investigate is dead, and his alignment is known, why should we believe your claim?
Adumbrodeus rightly pointed out hat anyone could do this. I hope you prove useful
tonight.

I cannot stress how important the above is to the victory of town.



I'm going to re-read, and possibly hammer Kirb. But I'd love or Vrael to respond to what I said.
 
Nicholas1024

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Final D2 Vote Count:
Swiss(1): kirbyoshi
kirbyoshi(Lynched): mccloud, vrael, adumbrodeus, Macman
adumbrodeus():
mccloud():
Chaco():
macman():
Vrael(2):Swiss, Chaco



Merry, Vanilla townie has been lynched.

All deadlines are EST.

N2 begins! You have until July 19th at 6:00 PM EST to send in your night actions!
 
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Sorry for the delay guys.

D3 Starts!



Swiss, Pippin, Town gravedigger has been killed during the night.

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Since this is LYLO, there is no deadline. (I will however, institute one should there be rampant inactivity)
 
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I'm Aragorn, Town Doc.

On N1 I protected Adum, and last night I protected Mac because I was so unsure of who to protect.
 
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If claims are true, it looks like an Adum and Mac scumteam.
 
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Bingo. No one vote yet though, don't want a dogpile.

I want to hear from them first.
 
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oh lol, i only read the last 2 posts before making that.

but yea, we shud get full claims

also, i wanna see if there is another protective role claim cuz i dont believe chaco at all
 
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"So foul and f-air a day I have not seen.&quo
Exactly, @Mac.

FMPOV, it's either you and adum and Vrael is really a cop (unlikely)

or

it's Vrael + Adum/you. Vrael seems unlikely to be a busser, especially with LYLO, so I'm more inclined to believe Vrael + Adum.

Chaco did indeed visit Adum n1, and I don't have my second report, so :X
 
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why wasnt the claimed cop roleblocked or killed?

anyways g2g bbl tonight probs

no votes por favor
 
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This is what worries me, I think Cop/Tracker/Doc is a BIIIIIIT much. (OS would be in heaven right now)

I wanna hear Adum's claim.
 
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It really depends on what scum can do. If there's a godfather and something else then the power roles would make a bit more sense.

Hell, the last game I played (Disco Room Mafia 6) was a 12 man game with 9 townies (obv) and 7 power roles. Scum just had some ridiculous abilities.
 
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Yup, but it's right if the claims are true. Thatd mean id have protected both scum though.
 
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I know its right, it was stupid becuz it was obvious.

it was a nicer way of saying
"NO SHIIT"
 
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Let me ask you guys this, if I'm Vrael's scumpartner, why'd I push so hard for his lynch the entire game, and only back off when he had claimed? Obviously that would put him in an extremely hard position in lylo and could've easily gotten him lynched right there, and to top it off, I pointed out that the lack of a CC certainly did not clear him.


There was no case on that playerslot until I pressured it to have an opinion, and then pushed hardcore when the opinion turned out to be extremely scummy. Why bus in that situation, it wasn't like I expanded upon an existing wagon, the entire drive to lynch him was sheer force of will on my end. Why drive him to a situation where he basically was forced to claim?



Wanna know why I was so sure of Vrael's scummieness? Why I pushed him so hard as of day 2?



Because I'm CCing McCloud and also saying that Vrael is lying scum.


I'm the tracker.


I was suspicious of summoner day 1 because of his extremely scummy post, so N1 I tracked summoner/vrael and he visited OS. Obviously I was extremely suspicious of this, so I pushed my already strong case harder.

Once he had claimed that he visited OS last night as a cop, if he claimed the kill again or visited the kill and didn't claim he'd be obvious-scum (and semi-breadcrumbed that I'd be investigating him by saying that he's still probably scum). TBH I was hoping that if he claimed, it would be a passive PR or claim a different target, but he chose the risky path of claiming a visit on the kill so I couldn't prove he was lying then.



N2 he visited swiss not macman, it's obviously inconsistent with his claim (that he visited macman to get a guilty), so he's lying.




As for my overall play (why didn't I play like I had a power role to avoid the NK), I was hoping to attract enough of an obvious-town label for scum to not target me for fear of a protect, also to disguise the fact that I had a PR.




Time for a question, McCloud, who did you "attempt to track day 2"? Why didn't you name the target before instead of just saying "it failed"?




Depending on his answer, I have other thoughts.



Regardless, it's quite obvious Vrael is scum.



Very risky play, thanks for revealing yourself.
 
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Time for a question, McCloud, who did you "attempt to track day 2"? Why didn't you name the target before instead of just saying "it failed"?




Depending on his answer, I have other thoughts.



Regardless, it's quite obvious Vrael is scum.
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This...complicates things. Now there's a bus somewhere, and we need to figure out who's bussing who. I tried to track Mac but I got no report so yeahh.

However, this doesn't change the fact that FMPOV you absolutely have to be scum, adum. I could have believed you if you claimed you were a protective role: it would have cast doubt on Chaco's claim. But CCing me is jokes dude.

Adum + Vrael or Macman. It seems much more likely that Vrael is scum, and adum is placing a gambit, hoping Vrael goes today so he'll look clean. At this point, I'm fairly certain that Mac is town. Mac does make a good point about why the cop didn't get roleblocked or killed.

Even with a roleblocker present and the potential for scum having other powers (though I don't see what they would be using since it's LYLO and no one has claimed to be affected in any significant way), I doubt tracker/cop team, especially with a doc and a dead gravedigger. I don't see the reason for a gravedigger unless there is a janitor or someone to hide the roles, but that hasn't been used, so we don't have that to go off either.
 
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McCloud said:
This...complicates things. Now there's a bus somewhere, and we need to figure out who's bussing who. I tried to track Mac but I got no report so yeahh.

However, this doesn't change the fact that FMPOV you absolutely have to be scum, adum. I could have believed you if you claimed you were a protective role: it would have cast doubt on Chaco's claim. But CCing me is jokes dude.

Adum + Vrael or Macman. It seems much more likely that Vrael is scum, and adum is placing a gambit, hoping Vrael goes today so he'll look clean. At this point, I'm fairly certain that Mac is town. Mac does make a good point about why the cop didn't get roleblocked or killed.

Even with a roleblocker present and the potential for scum having other powers (though I don't see what they would be using since it's LYLO and no one has claimed to be affected in any significant way), I doubt tracker/cop team, especially with a doc and a dead gravedigger. I don't see the reason for a gravedigger unless there is a janitor or someone to hide the roles, but that hasn't been used, so we don't have that to go off either.
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1. I don't like your roleblocker assumption at all, it's far from uncommon for an action that returns nothing to come back as "failed" or something ambiguous of that nature, and since macman's has no powers, this would give you a perfect explanation, but you took it a step further and breadcrumbed the existence of a roleblocker which may or may not be true but if it is true, it invalidates testing them, giving an out. Granted, it's a common role, but I find it a tad too convenient.



2. Don't play dumb, I doubt that you don't know what a gravedigger is or at the very least you didn't look it up as soon as you saw the flip, a gravedigger is a miller for trackers, that's why you knew one was in the game.

McCloud said:
EBWODP: Also, Vrael you need to respond to adum's claim that you visited OS Day one. Again, I doubt you visited anyone, but I just want to see how you corroborate adum's lie.
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He did, yesterday, he already said he visited OS as cop, this is what caused me to back off, remember.
 
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