Link's new tier placing.

[Ray_Kalm]

Not the worst, but pretty close to it. The only characters that come to mind as worse in recovering are characters with tethers and a solo ice climber. (Maybe Ganondorf too)

Ganon's recovery is undoubtedly worse than Link's. I'm not sure about the others.

 

[Oddler]

Ganon's is definitely worse than Links. It's so clunky and at certain angles you really need to do weird and super precise button inputs in a small frame of time to reach the stage...

 

[ShinTwist ScreamPaste]

I'm going to go ahead and maintain that in my *personal opinion* Ganon's is better. =P

 

[chandy]

*Agrees with Shin* Link does have tether too which means u can mix up recovery styles but ganon's recovery has more reach in my opinion.

 

[Anonano]

I'm going to go ahead and maintain that in my *personal opinion* Ganon's is better. =P

At first my opinion was Ganon's was better, but playing him vs some of my friends taught me better. His recovery is worse then Link's. The angle he has to recover at, plus the fact that it so easy to edgeguard, plus the fact that it gives him little of the desperately needed horizontal distance, factor into being worse than Link's.

Also Shin, I'd just like to point out the Straker guy on KIEF's tournament page is making me rofl. He joined a little over a month ago, posts a lot of spam in the Meet and Greet section, didn't even start posting until 6 days ago and then starts telling everyone he knows who the top four players are in the tourney.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

*Agrees with Shin* Link does have tether too which means u can mix up recovery styles but ganon's recovery has more reach in my opinion.

Ganon's recovery has about the same reach as Link's. Link could throw out a gale boomerang to make it back on the stage safely, he has a better stage spike, more priority, and his recovery's harder to edge-guard. Above all that, he has a tether recovery and bombs which could save him a couple of times.

 

[-Real-]

Yeah, we all knew Link was going to rise. Still bottom, but better than being 2nd-worst character in the game.

I wasn't expecting Jigglypuff to go down though.

I thought it might happen. I wish he would go higher

 

[Darxmarth23]

He should go higher. Or at least be included in the tier above. It doesn't matter how we play though.

 

[Oddler]

Link = Bottom of G Tier . . . yes please.

We're so low on the list I'd rather have him just go lower. . .

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Link = Bottom of G Tier . . . yes please.

We're so low on the list I'd rather have him just go lower. . .

You can't just avoid others 'weaker' than him. Ganon and Falcon will always have to be below him.

 

[Aurashade]

Above all that, he has a tether recovery and bombs which could save him a couple of times.

I don't know if this every occurred to you, but tether recoveries suck horribly.

 

[Roager]

I don't know if this every occurred to you, but tether recoveries suck horribly.

Not entirely true. If used correctly, they can catch the opponent off-guard. In fact, if you're against someone who has no faith in tethers, they likely won't see one coming, thus making tethers a better idea.

Not that tethers are perfect, but they do have some use.

 

[sasook]

ZSS is the only tether whose recovery doesn't suck. As for the Ganon-Link recovery thing, I say Ganon's is worse, but not by a lot.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

ZSS is the only tether whose recovery doesn't suck. As for the Ganon-Link recovery thing, I say Ganon's is worse, but not by a lot.

Link's tether has it's uses. It helps with edge-guarding, it's an alternative recovery, and don't forget that "tap twice" method which could keep Link alive from some attacks for a while.

 

[ShinTwist ScreamPaste]

Also Shin, I'd just like to point out the Straker guy on KIEF's tournament page is making me rofl. He joined a little over a month ago, posts a lot of spam in the Meet and Greet section, didn't even start posting until 6 days ago and then starts telling everyone he knows who the top four players are in the tourney.

Ohwell, he'll be in for a nasty suprise then, won't he? =P Lol, he thought Blu was the only Link.

 

[LinkSpecialist]

I don't know if this every occurred to you, but tether recoveries suck horribly.

I believe the following in my personal opinion.

The Spin attack should be used for an offensive recovery to prevent edge-hoga and certain aerial attacks if used in a high enough altitude. It also provides a much better reach than his other option, but is slower and much more prone to gimps in comparison

The Clawshot on the other hand is more of a defensive option, but requires a better reach to the stage (basically meaning DI). What the clawshot allows you to do is air-dodge incoming attacks while still being able to grab the stage nearly at the same time.

Just saying...

 

[ArdeS]

LinkSpecialist, I think it's the other way around actually. From a different perspective, The spin attack is more defensive and the clawshot is offensive.
While I'm off the stage and I see a Dedede attempting to bair me, a Metaknight trying to dair me, or another link using his nair, I'm going to use my UpB because using it will give me some protection against these attacks. Of course a boomerang and bomb will be thrown before using the UpB, and that's all part of a defensive recovery in my opinion.
When I use my clawshot to recover and grab the edge, I'm doing so when there's no one jumping off the stage to edgeguard me. You can still throw projectiles to divert the opponent, but overall I think the clawshot is a faster but less protected way to reach the stage. I use the clawshot for mindgames, as a fast recovery from the edge to keep my speed up, and to keep my opponent guessing. But I know one defensive purpose of the clawshot is its edgehogging abilities. ;]

Anyways, off to work. BYE :D

 

[sasook]

If Link's tether had a bit more reacher and a faster retraction, it'd be a lot more useful IMO. Btw Ardes, loving the sig.

 

[LinkSpecialist]

LinkSpecialist, I think it's the other way around actually. From a different perspective, The spin attack is more defensive and the clawshot is offensive.

Hmm...I could always be wrong, I'm no expert.

While I'm off the stage and I see a Dedede attempting to bair me, a Metaknight trying to dair me, or another link using his nair, I'm going to use my UpB because using it will give me some protection against these attacks.

Exactly my point. You use the Spin attack as an offensive tool to prevent your opponents from attacking you. In a way to correct myself, your offense IS your defense.

Of course a boomerang and bomb will be thrown before using the UpB, and that's all part of a defensive recovery in my opinion.

That's what I like about Link's recovery. There's always a mix-up game.

When I use my clawshot to recover and grab the edge, I'm doing so when there's no one jumping off the stage to edgeguard me.

Sooo....how is this more offensive than than Up-B?

You can still throw projectiles to divert the opponent, but overall I think the clawshot is a faster but less protected way to reach the stage. I use the clawshot for mindgames, as a fast recovery from the edge to keep my speed up, and to keep my opponent guessing. But I know one defensive purpose of the clawshot is its edgehogging abilities. ;]

....So you see my point, but we don't agree with each other, but in a way were both right.

Anyways, off to work. BYE :D

Curse you! Now I have to wait all day, til you resond....

 

[Abyss Master]

I see Link's tether as a form for mixing up recoveries a little, but there's no doubt in my mind that the spin is better to use when defending against incoming enemies. I use the tether to recover as often as I see fit, and I also use it for edgeguarding, but that's about it (when it comes to the ledges anyways e_e)

 

[Deleted member]

link's tether is trash, the ONLY time i ever get gimped is when i try to tether recover. back when i played wifi with all of you i gimped you guys every time you tried to recover with the clawshot.

only uses his tether has - Zair, zair edge guard

we need an acronym for zair edge guard >_>

 

[KirinBlaze]

Link's tehter is garbage, I only use it in 2v2's when no one is looking or when in singles when someone is hesitant to come of the ledge. Link's tether is so easy to gimp, run off stage and Nair, gg.

Oh, Sassypants, ZSS's tether is really easy to edge guard it's just the range on it throws off everyone's timing. After seeing it done you'll be able to get used to it.

 

[Aurashade]

link's tether is trash, the ONLY time i ever get gimped is when i try to tether recover. back when i played wifi with all of you i gimped you guys every time you tried to recover with the clawshot.

only uses his tether has - Zair, zair edge guard

we need an acronym for zair edge guard >_>

I'm happy to see that arkive and I agree on this issue.

the tether doesn't even have any attacks that the opponent would be worried about, so even there is another reason not to use it.

 

[sasook]

But Arkive, you'd use it if you ever played Boss, right? Or any tourney-level Mario, for that sense. If not, I'm curious what you'd do, because...let's face it, recovering against Mario sucks.

Oh, Sassypants, ZSS's tether is really easy to edge guard it's just the range on it throws off everyone's timing. After seeing it done you'll be able to get used to it.

Lrn2flipstool

Seriously, her recovery's underrated. It's only easy to edgeguard if she gets underneath the stage.

 

[Ich Bin Awesome]

How about this: BOTH RECOVERIES ARE GARBAGE.

Seriously, they are both bad recoveries and both can be gimped. What matters is that you use the right one for the right situation and that you mix it up so that you don't become predictable.

 

[KirinBlaze]

But Arkive, you'd use it if you ever played Boss, right? Or any tourney-level Mario, for that sense. If not, I'm curious what you'd do, because...let's face it, recovering against Mario sucks.



Lrn2flipstool

Seriously, her recovery's underrated. It's only easy to edgeguard if she gets underneath the stage.

Or if shes playing Mario. Shes a thirsty girl.

Yeah, tether can save you against Mario if you see the cape coming, if you don't you're getting Nair'ed, Uair'ed, or Bair'ed and gimped.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

How about this: BOTH RECOVERIES ARE GARBAGE.

Seriously, they are both bad recoveries and both can be gimped. What matters is that you use the right one for the right situation and that you mix it up so that you don't become predictable.

I don't like it when Link players assume that they have the worst recovery.

 

[Lawz.]

I don't like it when Link players assume that they have the worst recovery.

yea but it's worse if they were to say it's the best. but it's BAD either way. both link and ganon have pretty crappy recoveries.

 

[Ich Bin Awesome]

I don't like it when Link players assume that they have the worst recovery.

I didn't say we had the worst recovery. As a matter of fact, I wasn't even talking about anyone else's recovery at all. I was talking about Link's up-b recovery vs. his tehter. And for the record, I could care less how effective ganon's recovery is. Link has a horrible recovery no matter who might have a worse recovery.

 

[Aurashade]

who cares it's just a dumb debate about nothing, ray this is directed at you who thinks its important what other people think about a recovery.