Light House Social and General Discussion Thread

[Lythium]

That's Japan for you.

 

[Vinylic.]

I'd love to play that game. I'd love to live there as well.

On second thought, The game looks too hard.

 

[choknater]

anything is possible with dedicated effort!

such as limbo-ing under a bar 8.5 inches from the ground

 

[Wretched]

I have actually had past experience in limbo. I have really good balance and for some reason I am really flexible. I can put my foot behind my head.
You guys want pics? Because I'll do it.

 

[Lythium]

No. No, we believe you.

 

[Vinylic.]

I'd like to see you do that exactly. I'll hire you on cirque du soleil starting as a clown-in-training.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Oh, see.

i was assuming we were speaking about Manga, since that was what they were talking about. JUST SAYING.

No, we were talking about C&H when chok said One Piece was better (obviously a lie). JUST SAYING.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I think the only book I don't have in my collection is Homicidal Psycho Jungle Cat. I have all the others--yes, including the combination books like Authoritative even though I have Revenge of the Baby Sat and Scientific Progress Goes Boink.

Watterson is a beautiful man.

 

[:mad:]

Dibs on Chief Tyrant.

Actually, that should go to SC, because MASTER CHIEF.

You could be Master Chef if you know what I mean.

Man, they have a wiki for everything, don't they?

Even your mother.

... and my mother.

Get me on this GROSS thing.

Mastur Cheef rank, plz. Don't give a **** if I'm at the bottom of this totem pole...

l

you are der master cheif <3

Pfft. We gotta be better than the original, :Mad:!

P.S. we won't ever be better than the originals.

It's so true. ;-;

@ :mad

I should have gotten the Calvin and Hobbes thing.I need to invest in a collab of those. I haven't read those in probably close to 14 years. At the most.

The collections are well worth the money and I reread them pretty often, actually.

I have the complete collection. And, like, all the books too. They're pretty awesome, just saying.

<3's

one piece is the greatest though

Not really tho

One Piece can't even compare to C&H.

/nope.avi

Lyth is the bes --

C&H wrecks every single other comic/anime/whatever the **** else in existence. Best comic strip of all time.

as well as my boy Matt over here.

I have actually had past experience in limbo. I have really good balance and for some reason I am really flexible. I can put my foot behind my head.
You guys want pics? Because I'll do it.

I can put both legs behind my head and walk on my hands. That's how I play limbo and I'm undefeated, I'm better than Hermes.

 

[F8AL]

I have actually had past experience in limbo. I have really good balance and for some reason I am really flexible. I can put my foot behind my head.
You guys want pics? Because I'll do it.

So you're good at playing Twisted?

 

[Vinylic.]

No, we were talking about C&H when chok said One Piece was better (obviously a lie). JUST SAYING.

As the rest of every anime in english dub.

 

[Gates]

Gates, we need to talk about 'dose modern bans.

I think Rite of Flame is the only ban I agree with. I mean, Dark Ritual was almost always banned in Extended and Rite of Flame is basically the Dark Ritual of Modern. I kind of disagreed with Blazing Shoal at first, but then I remembered the potential turn 1 kill with Raging Goblin+Blazing Shoal*2, AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT NOW CAN WE? Green Sun's Zenith is very, very good, but at this point it's not overly centralizing. Cloudpost, Ponder, and Preordain did not need to be banned at all though.

I'll talk about Ponder and Preordain soon enough, but basically they should have known that Cloudpost was going to be this good in this format when they printed not only Vesuva but also Glimmerpost and when they made it so that Primeval Titan can search for any land instead of basic lands. They say that there are alternatives for mana ramping in the format. Like what? Urza lands? Heartbeat? Vernal Bloom? I mean yeah they COULD work, but they don't even come close to having the competitive capabilities of Twelvepost.

Everything besides Rite of Flame and Blazing Shoal is total bull**** and I think that they're just trying to take all the fun stuff out of Modern. Maybe it's my bias as a Vintage fan, but I really don't mind having to deal with all of my opponents being able to do broken things with their decks (or at least play Tarmogoyf, which is still kind of broken). There's an argument out there that control isn't very good in this format, and although I agree, I think that just banning things isn't going to solve the overall problem. Instead, you should look at the cards that you already banned, and think about how unbanning them would benefit the format instead of just saying "no, we won't unban it unless it becomes totally harmless, just like Gush in Vintage". All this just seems like knee-jerk reactions to the results of a Pro Tour that happened not even 3 weeks ago.

If I were in charge of the DCI, my banlist in Modern would be this:

• Blazing Shoal
• Chrome Mox
• Dread Return
• Jace, The Mindsculptor
• Rite of Flame
• Sensei's Divining Top OR Ponder+Preordain
• Skullclamp
• Stoneforge Mystic
• Umezawa's Jitte

And that's it. Aside from Disciple of the Vault (which is where Affinity and Ironworks decks have traditionally gotten their biggest damage from), the artifact lands (which could be compensated for by banning Disciple instead), Green Sun's Zenith (which admittedly is a bit silly in the current format but could end up being not nearly as good under other circumstances), and Mental Misstep (which honestly doesn't seem to have too much bearing on the format compared to Vintage or Legacy), I can't think of any other cards besides the ones I've listed that completely break the format in half or enable turn one kills, which are the criteria that Wizards seems to be looking at when writing the banned/restricted lists (or at least the ones they SHOULD look at for a new format).

I have to lean towards their judgement on Blazing Shoal - it has potential for a turn 1 kill using the old Raging Goblin strategy even though it's mostly used for the more consistent turn 2 or 3 kill with Inkmoth Nexus or Blighted Agent. If they really want to reduce the amount of super-fast kills, then banning Blazing Shoal is a much less restrictive idea than banning Inkmoth Nexus.

Chrome Mox and Rite of Flame are the most dangerous accelerants in the format by far. Chrome Mox turns every deck's turn 2 kills into turn 1 kills and Rite of Flame makes red decks way better than they should be.

Dread Return is the core of what makes Dredge decks playable. With no Bazaar of Baghdad, Lion's Eye Diamond, Cabal Therapy, or Ichorid, I doubt Dredge will be remotely as threatening in Modern as it was in Vintage, Legacy, and Extended. Still, people seem to be afraid of it (I guess because graveyard hate is so hard to come by in modern*) so banning arguably the most important card from it should be enough. With the right hand, Dredge can potentially set up a turn 2 or 3 kill using lots of discard and dredge, Dread Return, and a big creature like Sun Titan. I realize that Wizards banned Golgari Grave-Troll along with this initially, but I don't think the troll is enough of a threat on his own to constitute a banning. I mean for god's sake they don't even have Careful Study in Modern!

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Bojuka Bog
Tormod's Crypt
Surgical Extraction
Extirpate
Nihil Spellbomb
Relic of Progenitus
Scavenging Ooze What do you mean it's not legal? That's bull****!
Withered Wretch
Faerie Macabre
Jund Charm
Ravenous Trap
Leyline of the Void

And everything in bold costs 0 colored mana to cast or remove cards from the graveyard, so they can be run in any deck.
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Jace is stupid and I hate his stupid ****ing face. If there's any card selection that I can support the banning or restriction of, it's mister auto-Brainstorm here.

I shouldn't have to talk about Skullclamp, Umezawa's Jitte, or Stoneforge Mystic. If you played Standard when they were legal, you know why they're banned. Although I did have a fun deck that I played before Skullclamp was banned that was built around Skullclamp, Genesis Chamber, Auriok Steelshaper, and Disciple of the Vault. Once I was playing a 2v2 game and I killed both of my opponents with it in one turn and then on that same turn I killed my partner just for ****s and giggles. Good times.

I support the banning of either Sensei's Divining Top or Ponder+Preordain, but not all three. Having all three legal means that everyone in their right mind will either play Counterbalance decks to win or Aether Vial decks to try and beat the Counterbalance decks, like in Legacy between 2007-2008. Nobody wants that because nobody likes Legacy it was an unbalanced format with a lot of issues and just really boring overall. That said, I think banning the only good sources of card selection in this format is preposterous. Wizards has said that with SDT banned, blue decks dominate the card draw department and thus the metagame as a whole (oh wow, the color that specializes at drawing cards is good at drawing cards, big shock). I personally never saw anything wrong with this, but apparently the success of good decks was totally unexpected by Wizards, so whatever. My point is that if you want to be able to balance the power level in a new format, you should first look at what you could give them by unbanning things instead of just banning **** left and right until the format becomes as slow as Standard. I mean they might as well ban Tarmogoyf for making green decks too powerful, or Mountain for making red decks too sexy.

And I guess that's really my biggest criticism of Wizards' approach to Modern - they're treating it like they would treat Standard, Extended, or Block when they should be treating it as an eternal format. As far as I know, Modern isn't going to "rotate" like Extended does every few years, so if they want to let it settle into being a good metagame they need to let it work out its own kinks before making any rash decisions. Right now the DCI is being like a sheltering overprotective mother who doesn't want her pwecious widdwe fowmat to be hurt by the big scary stuff and they think they're justified in this but they end up spoiling their kid, which is almost as bad as neglecting them entirely like they did when they didn't ban Tinker in Extended before Pro Tour New Orleans in 2003, right after Mirrodin was released (7 Tinker decks in the top 8? Talk about an unbalanced format). What the DCI really needs to do is be a responsible parent and only ban things if they know for certain that it'll be a bad influence, like getting hopped up on red mana with Rite of Flame, pitching the lunch money you gave them that morning on Chrome Mox, cutting off all their hair to attach some sort of clamp to their skull, or hanging out that white haired girl who dresses kind of like a goth **** because she looks like she's been around.

There's really no reason why Wizards is being so restrictive to their child with what they're allowed to do. I mean I mowed the lawn, I cleaned my room, I did my laundry, I finished all my homework, my Eagle Scout project is done and I've already prepared for the review board, and I put gas in the car (with my own money I might add), so why can't I just go hang out with my friends at this party, dad!? I won't drink, I promise! What about my progress report? I am trying hard! Oh, like knowing about Chaucer is useful in the real world! "All As" isn't a reasonable academic goal, dad, that **** would take way too much work! Of course I'm not lazy, I just told you all the **** I did today! I'm 16 and I'll ****ing swear if I want to! You raise your voice to me all the time, why can't I raise my voice to you!? Yeah, well **** YOU you FAT PIECE OF ****!

...

...Anyway, the Modern bannings are kind of like that and I disagree with them.





OF COURSE, NONE OF THIS **** MATTER ANYWAY SINCE EVERYONE IS JUST GOING TO PLAY ZOO WHEN PTQ SEASON ROLLS AROUND, LOLOLOLIOOLOL. Shoutouts to Tarmogoyf for being one of the stupidest easy-win creatures ever.

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Also, Gates (and to about the same extent, ODIN): Why the **** did you give me the hard questions? Lol. It's hard for me to pick favorites! Expect some long-winded answers because of this.

Oh come on, like I was really gonna let you get away with not talking about how much you love Archie vs The Punisher.

Uhhhhhhhh no. Not at all. It's mono blue, for one thing. Also, I've taken out Misstep since it's banned in legacy.

Mono-Blue could work I guess. It's much slower and you lose a lot of good tools, but it could work.

I wrote the list before I saw that Mental Misstep was banned. You could replace it with, idk, Dispel, Disrupt, Spell Pierce, etc.

Why don't you just post that decklist already so I can actually see it?



Is Gush still unrestricted in Vintage? I really thought they'd re-restrict it and just keep it that way. FoF being legal makes a lot more sense than Gush imo. Big broken blue cards that cost a ton of mana aren't nearly as potent as they used to be.



Calvin and Hobbes is my favorite newspaper comic of all time. I have all of the books published before 2000 except the Essential and Authoratative collections.

I've heard One Piece is good but only if you've been reading from the beginning. I'd consider getting into it if I ever had 10 years of free time to catch up on everything though.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Calvin & Hobbes yells at other anime telling them to build character.

 

[Wretched]

So you're good at playing Twister?

FTFY
Yes. I am the master of twister. And so is Alex apparently.

 

[Vinylic.]

I recommend foot spray for you.

 

[Wretched]

Actually, I've never had any sort of odor problem. I've never had BO but I wear deodorant just in case I sweat (In which case I KINDA have BO).
I've especially not had foot odor problems ._.

 

[Zajice]

WRETCHED GOT DAT ODER BLOCKING POWEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER

 

[Gates]

HE'S SO POWERFUL HE CAN BLOCK OUT THE SUN!
But then it gets too cold.
SO HE MAKES ANOTHER SUN!
DOUBLE SUN POWEEEEEEEEERRRRRRR!

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I think once I'm done with the current books I'm reading I'm going to go back and read all of my Calvin and Hobbes. I think I'm only missing a few books, I'm ashamed to say I don't have the full collection though .

Also wtf Wretched/Straked that's crazy.

 

[choknater]

one piece definitely gots this

 

[OmegaXXII]

FTFY
Yes. I am the master of twister. And so is Alex apparently.

You are? Well, seems I'm a master at it as well, legit.

 

[Vinylic.]

Actually, I've never had any sort of odor problem. I've never had BO but I wear deodorant just in case I sweat (In which case I KINDA have BO).
I've especially not had foot odor problems ._.

I hope you're using Gillette Deo.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

one piece definitely gots this

I like you but you're definitely wrong on this one.

 

[Lythium]

Yeah, I'm sorry, chok.

You're a cool guy and all.

But no.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Calvin and his duplicates would be all over Luffy.

Choknater, this is an unwinnable battle for you.

 

[choknater]

there are opinions

and there are truths






























this post is open to interpretation

 

[Lore]

Gates, can you copy and paste your post into the magic thread in the pr? Talking about magic would be a ton easier in a thread that doesn't move this quick.

Also, One Piece might win. It depends if it's pre-meds calvin or not.

 

[choknater]

guys, one piece is amazing.

 

[Vinylic.]

I don't even think this is worth discussing since C&H is still the best comic ever. I can't watch one piece.
It's annoying when you watch alot of episodes, lose interest in it for a year, then start watching it all over again until you make it to the latest episode.

 

[choknater]

i never watched the show, i only read the comic

 

[Gates]

Gates, can you copy and paste your post into the magic thread in the pr? Talking about magic would be a ton easier in a thread that doesn't move this quick.

What, you mean post in a forum other than the Light House?

Actually, I'd totally be fine with that. Chok is starting to get annoying again.

Also, One Piece might win. It depends if it's pre-meds calvin or not.

What do you mean "pre-meds"?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm sorry, Choknater, what was that?

 

[Lythium]

Chok, I don't think you even know.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Choknater really doesn't. Sadly this means he cannot be an honorary member of G.R.O.S.S.

 

[Lythium]

Neither can I, though.

 

[Vinylic.]

I'm too busy thinking of becoming a disc jockey.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Lythium-nuna can be a G.R.O.S.S. member in my heart.

 

[choknater]

ahhhh one piece

 

[Lythium]

Tery-sshi, I can get rid of the slimy girls. :3c

 

[choknater]

slimy girls? it's all about shirahoshi