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Wobbly Headed Bob

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I'm mostly in the camp that L-Canceling is simply unbalanced. To me, it's a meterless cancel that shouldn't be available as often as it is. The way I see it, if something is so good that it simply outweighs all other options, it should be outright removed, rebalanced, or in some situations, made automatic.

Of course, I'd rather something more interesting that doesn't heavily favor aerial fighting.
I don't know, this is kind of specious.

L-canceling is kind of really available all the time, but I don't quite see any way in which it is detrimental. L-canceling isn't really "so good that it outweighs all other options", but it just usually works better in conjunction with other things and ATs in a mix-up sort of way. It helps glue things together.

There are many options in the game aside from just SHFFLing or something, and many of these options prove to be much more beneficial in different situations. For example, against an airborne opponent, you don't always just want to do little SHFFLs and see if you'll hopefully trade hits. You may want to shield, you may want to do a run jc up smash, maybe cross him over while running crouch cancel forward smash / pivot grab/ SHFFL, or maybe dash dance into a jc grab or any of the above, or a plethora of other things. Look at how Ken plays example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmJt0QrCbSo&feature=share&list=ULvmJt0QrCbSo

(Also notice how often people miss l-cancels in particular timings.)

You're putting L-canceling in a pedestal. People that think they can get far by shffling everything just don't get far at all, I know because I used to think I could do that and would get thrashed.

It's also false that Smash is heavy on aerial fighting because of l-canceling, when the game is intended to be aerial fighting. Look at how every Smash Bros game plays. With two jumps, as many aerial moves as ground moves, air knockback, all juggle combos-- the game is just meant to be that way.

Brawl had no l-canceling, and it was still so heavy on aerials. In order to like not have 100% of the moves just shield-grabbed, Brawl players are forced to play a very safe jump game where people try to jump out of punish range or do a full-jump to try to avoid landing cooldown, which is just very restricting relatively. It is essentially the same aerial dependence, but it's stripped down. Such limitations can also hinder the ground game of a character since ATs like L-canceling can serve as a segue to ground moves. It is simply less options and possibilities without it-- the more possibilities you have in a game, the more depth and potential for creativity, unless the possibilities are game-breaking. L-canceling is just one of those basic skills that add up. By trying to change Smash's dependence on aerials, you're trying to change one of the fundamental appeals of the franchise's gameplay.

As I think I previously mentioned, L-canceling and other ATs as well as high-execution demand serve in the game as a balancer. Think about it, without ATs, when can a character like Mewtwo, Yoshi, or the Ice Climbers ever win? lol
 

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Sorry not gonna read that **** until you stop acting like you are the **** here. You are giving shame to every smasher here.
And you're a shame to any person that values intellect in general. Don't act like you have some sort of argumentative ascendancy when you're just incompetent. It's baffling you even think you have anything of value to say. Your little gripes about etiquette are irrelevant to the message. If you're an idiot, I don't have a problem letting you know.

So what about you leave your unwarranted ego on the side and just make an effort to learn? Doing so will be a great contribution towards making people stop thinking so lowly of you.
 

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You talk about my ego? You should first deal with your own inflated one. Really this discussion got seriously crazy many pages ago and your involvement really makes things worse when you start calling everyone who doesn't agree with you an idiot.
 

Wobbly Headed Bob

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You talk about my ego? You should first deal with your own inflated one. Really this discussion got seriously crazy many pages ago and your involvement really makes things worse when you start calling everyone who doesn't agree with you an idiot.
There's a difference between calling anyone who displays clear text-book examples of faults in reasoning an idiot and calling anyone that doesn't agree with me an idiot.

What makes you think it's the latter over the former? Oh right, wishful thinking. Kind of a little ego shield defensive mechanism to tell yourself things about me that make you feel better although they're not true in reaction to me telling you things about yourself that anyone with an education can discern.

Who is really hindering you from reading my post and understanding my argument? My innie-meanie mannerisms or your defensive wiles? Seems like you don't grasp your reasoning's faults when others suggest them subtly, so I might as well take the blunt route.
 

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Actually your posts aren't very strong in an argumentative manner. Take for example, this snippet:

I don't know, this is kind of specious.

L-canceling is kind of really available all the time, but I don't quite see any way in which it is detrimental. L-canceling isn't really "so good that it outweighs all other options", but it just usually works better in conjunction with other things and ATs in a mix-up sort of way. It helps glue things together.
You completely miss his (valid) point that there is never a reason NOT to L-cancel when you are doing an aerial that would land with lag. Never. Never ever. It would hurt you in 100% of cases to not L cancel unless of course you edgecancel or autocancel the aerial.

So you totally miss the point then you are rather outwardly hostile. I don't think there is anything inherently bad about L-canceling, but your posts don't disprove his.
 

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^ Because no one gives two ****s about SSB4 discussion because it's all dumb

Also, that MK DH kid is pants on head ********, jesus.

How the **** does ****** computer wire frames for 15 mins make you good at competitive melee? All that shows is that you sit around playing against ******** cpus too much. Creativity isn't the end-all-be-all of smash and is not the only thing that should be valued; this is a fighting game at the competitive level and execution is half of the game. In my opinion, perfect execution is almost more entertaining than great creativity.

And don't get me started on that list of ATs or whatever that Gea posted, you pretty much lost every single shred of credibility that you were trying to show you had whatsoever. I normally am not SUPER aggressive in debates, but your self-righteousness and ignorance are literally making me laugh out loud. You are the cancer of smash.

Also, I will say that l-canceling is arbitrary. NOT unnecessary (I have always liked the idea of an execution barrier separating high and low level play), but there could be a more deliberate mechanic. I have not decided what I think would work better, only l-canceling on hit confirm seems like a good idea, but it would make shield EXTREMELY powerful...shield pressure would cease to exists and the characters with the best OOS punish game would thrive (and the characters with the lowest landing lag on aerials). It seems like you would just be swinging to another extreme. Offence is not overpowered in Melee, so l-canceling (a primarily offensively benefiting mechanic) cannot be broken.
 

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L-Canceling is simply more fun. Anyone who thinks that combos should be easy, requiring simply matchup knowledge with no requirement of any technical skill, can be fairly said to be desiring a shallower metagame.

Is this what you honestly believe about Melee, to this day?
That link is damning and anything that Master Knight says should be prefaced with it. He should be required to put this in his signature because this poster's belief on the game can fairly be described as "radical brawlism" AKA taking the changes from Melee to Brawl to the next logical level.
I don't think most smash players want this.
 

Wobbly Headed Bob

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Actually your posts aren't very strong in an argumentative manner. Take for example, this snippet:



You completely miss his (valid) point that there is never a reason NOT to L-cancel when you are doing an aerial that would land with lag. Never. Never ever. It would hurt you in 100% of cases to not L cancel unless of course you edgecancel or autocancel the aerial.

So you totally miss the point then you are rather outwardly hostile. I don't think there is anything inherently bad about L-canceling, but your posts don't disprove his.
Oh man, your first sentence actually almost had me thinking you would have something to contribute.

Before I proceed, can we please just stop using terms like "valid" so liberally? You see, in logic, the term valid is actually specific deductive qualifier for an argument. It does not simply stand for "plausible".


All right, you said that the person I quoted made that point, so I'm going to quote him again.

Originally Posted by KumaOso View Post
I'm mostly in the camp that L-Canceling is simply unbalanced. To me, it's a meterless cancel that shouldn't be available as often as it is. The way I see it, if something is so good that it simply outweighs all other options, it should be outright removed, rebalanced, or in some situations, made automatic.

Of course, I'd rather something more interesting that doesn't heavily favor aerial fighting.
Okay, Sherlock. Tell me where specifically within this post does he make the point you said he made.

Answer: nowhere.


I made a response to what he said, and that's how you argue, you dunce.


Moreover, several people have made that point before, and it's been continuously refuted. It's in the ****ing post I keep linking and telling everyone to read. I mean, what's the issue? Do you people have some sort of reading deficiency issue? I can understand that not everyone has been following this thread in its entirety, but I've been telling everyone that the response has been made within this thread and even link them to it, and yet somehow some moron regurgitates the same dumbarse "point" two posts later. I posted the link in the last page, jesus christ. Here it is again, you incompetent twit:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15078839&postcount=124

(EVERYBODY READ THIS ****ING POST)


You see, the response that I and others have made consists of pointing out that although the executioner does not favor from missing the command, there is value in the potential a missed command for the opponent and the metagame. I extrapolated the problem as a problem of "execution skill", and I raised analogy between the l-cancel mechanic in melee and mechanics in other fighting games that are regarded as of most value that share identical properties as the ones you speak of against. Therefore, the problem is actually a non-problem.
 

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You're talking to someone who takes actual argumentation classes, and no one looks very kindly at someone incapable of advancing from repeating their first point when this one has been refuted.
You're talking to someone who made demotivational jokes and comments in every political science class he's ever taken, I made everyone laugh, and I got an A in all those classes with my kind of attitude. So don't go there with me Mr. Sassy Pants.

Of course, unlike you, I don't go showing off that kind of details like a new car daddy just bought me. Also, unlike you, we're not all in middle school. ;) (no offense to you "kewl" middle schoolers)

Now guys, if you don't mind, I'd like to ignore scrubs like these and actually talk about the matter at hand. Quite frankly, someone who is talking like they know it all with a mere double digit number of posts talking like they're smarter than long-time respectable members here is just flat out silly. Simply put, "now's not the time to poke fun at scrubs; that comes later." :awesome: (reference FTW!)
 

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I don't know how to analyze posts
He clearly says that it "outweighs all other options." You seem to still not understand what he was saying (HINT: IT ISN'T THAT DOING AERIALS IS THE BEST OPTION) while slinging insults around.

I wasn't making a statement for or against L-canceling, like you seem to extrapolate from my post. Furthermore, saying there is strategy in trying to get someone to not L-cancel in no way invalidates the truth that L-canceling is always, 100% the best option.
 

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You're talking to someone who made demotivational jokes and comments in every political science class he's ever taken, I made everyone laugh, and I got an A in all those classes with my kind of attitude. So don't go there with me Mr. Sassy Pants.

LOL. A poliscience major is trying to compare to me. I'm sorry, but it's not really that hard to make a bunch of loons that hold Disney Channel quality sarcasm think you're clever. Try yelling "SWAG" or "YOLO" and quadruple your effectiveness. (Try FTW if you're a geek.)

I'm glad you're willing to publicly declare you're majoring or majored in a feces-chucking major though, it saves me some of the effort. Trying to act like what I am in polisci is like trying to act like a rockstar when all you know how to play in the guitar is Smoke in the Water.

Also, not once did I address you before this post; that first line is just awkward.

Of course, unlike you, I don't go showing off that kind of details like a new car daddy just bought me. Also, unlike you, we're not all in middle school. ;) (no offense to you "kewl" middle schoolers)
Oh well, last time I checked, unlike you, I never once mentioned irrelevant details such as my mannerisms in class, although you seem to unknowingly hold them in high regard in your sad attempt to impress me. There's a difference between your laughable attempt at ****-wavering and, you know, actually bringing up qualifications in a thread where it's relevant and people are using my terms when they don't understand them.

Now guys, if you don't mind, I'd like to ignore scrubs like these and actually talk about the matter at hand. Quite frankly, someone who is talking like they know it all with a mere double digit number of posts talking like they're smarter than long-time respectable members here is just flat out silly. Simply put, "now's not the time to poke fun at scrubs; that comes later." :awesome: (reference FTW!)
To your dismay, I'm pretty certain that most able-minded here and in any academic setting would favor gauging a person's intelligence based upon their logical and argumentative competence over gauging a person's intelligence based on their post count (logical fallacy).

He clearly says that it "outweighs all other options." You seem to still not understand what he was saying (HINT: IT ISN'T THAT DOING AERIALS IS THE BEST OPTION) while slinging insults around.

I wasn't making a statement for or against L-canceling, like you seem to extrapolate from my post. Furthermore, saying there is strategy in trying to get someone to not L-cancel in no way invalidates the truth that L-canceling is always, 100% the best option.
OH. I just completely misinterpreted his post then, I'm sorry. :_

I just THOUGHT that he wasn't bringing up the point that's been refuted over and over and over and over... That plus his follow-up sentence where he says that he'd rather have the game not be so aerial-based led me to believe that's what he meant.

Actually, screw you. I think I have sufficient reasons to believe my original interpretation is the correct one, so why don't we ask KumaOso what he meant?

KumaOso, what did you mean?
 

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LOL. A poliscience major is trying to compare to me. I'm sorry, but it's not really that hard to make a bunch of loons that hold Disney Channel quality sarcasm think you're clever. Try yelling "SWAG" or "YOLO" and quadruple your effectiveness. (Try FTW if you're a geek.)
This sums up your posting here in a handbag. Let's break this down like game film.
1. I never said I'm a political science major. At all. If you had reading comprehension instead of rage, you'd realize that.
2. Your reading comprehension sucks.
3. I said I made jokes about political science stuff in political science class and aced the class.
4. The jokes were funny because I understand things enough to make fun of their flaws.
5. I'm a Business Administration Major, so there.
6. I've never mentioned Disney Channel, nor did I recall that ever being mention in any political science class. Also, I haven't watched the Disney channel since the 90's.
7. Most of political science is about power, control, and money.
8. Political science is important. Nearly all important figures in history (past, present, and future) have an excellent grasp of its' concepts.
9. Current prominent political figures that are political science majors include US President and Vice President Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
10. I never say "SWAG," nor did I say "SWAG."
11. I don't know what "YOLO" is.
12. Your "I'm better than you" attitude is showing.
13. Last I checked, here on SmashBoards and in the free first world, we all have an equal voice in such an equal forum.
14. On SmashBoards, the only difference between members here in this here forum is our name, location, miscellaneous stuff (that doesn't matter), and our join date/post count. The last two favor me, although that isn't the end all.
15. What is the "end all" if the fact your arguments towards everyone are insults, and nobody here cares what you have to say.
16. I'm pretty sure you're on some serious mind altering drugs.
17. How many tournaments have you been to=???
18. Are you "the_sandman"=??? Because if your posting style reminds me of when he said stuff like "unnecessary to the franchise" back in the Brawl pre-release days.
19. Then again, you're probably too young to remember back then.
Trying to act like what I am in polisci is like trying to act like a rockstar when all you know how to play in the guitar is Smoke in the Water.
Also, Smoke on the Water is the 3rd best song (of 7) on Deep Purple's great album "Machine Head." The second best song was "Highway Star." The best is "Lazy," hands down. RIP Jon Lord. He was legendary on the keyboard. That keyboard solo at the beginning of "Lazy" is freaking epic. If I wanted to learn any piece of Deep Purple music, it would be the keyboard playing on "Lazy" or In Rock's "Child In Time."

As for the rest of your insults, congratulations, you learned how to make everyone not care about you. Congratulations. You and Snooki have something in common. ;)
 

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I remember the days when we used to discuss L-canceling without the use of strawmen or ad hominems
those were the days
wait ****
no they weren't
this discussion has never gotten anywhere in the history of forever
in fact no argument between opposing beliefs ever has really ever followed proper logic on both sides
that's why they are arguments and not agreements
Just let the brawl***s convince themselves it adds nothing to the game
 

Wobbly Headed Bob

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This sums up your posting here in a handbag. Let's break this down like game film.
1. I never said I'm a political science major. At all. If you had reading comprehension instead of rage, you'd realize that.
2.I said I made jokes about political science stuff in political science class and aced the class.
3. The jokes were funny because I understand things enough to make fun of their flaws.
4. I'm a Business Administration Major. That's right, I'm getting a degree that equals lot of opportunities for me.
5. I've never mentioned Disney Channel, nor did I recall that ever being mention.
6. Most of political science is about power, control, and money.
7. Political science is important. Nearly all important figures in history (past, present, and future) have an excellent grasp of its' concepts.
8. I never say "SWAG," nor did I say "SWAG."
9. I don't know what "YOLO" is.
10. Your "I'm better than you" attitude is showing.
11. Last I checked, here on SmashBoards and in the free first world, we all have an equal voice in such an equal forum.
12. On SmashBoards, the only difference between members here in this here forum is our name, location, miscellaneous stuff (that doesn't matter), and our join date/post count. The last two favor me, although that isn't the end all.
13. What is the "end all" if the fact your arguments towards everyone are insults, and nobody here cares what you have to say.
1. I just made the inference (it's called inductive reasoning) you were one because you apparently take the classes seriously.
2. o rly.
3. I'm making the inference that's just what you like to think.
4. That's right, you're still in unintelligent feces-chucking baby degree.
5. Are you serious? lol. No one is saying you brought it up, tard. Anyone with a brain would understand why I brought it up.
6. Your autism is showing.
7. Political science, like psychology, anthropology, and English, is important, I agree. It doesn't take much at all to understand it if you're sufficiently logical compared to a real major however. I'm glad that people that are less fortunate have a gateway to learning it like the people that major in it and business, but it's an issue when people like you don't know your place.
8. Never said you did. You're missing the point.
9. I would consider you fortunate if you weren't missing the point.
10. And for a good reason.
11. Oh right, come give a lecture at my university. Don't worry, we'll be laughing with you, not at you.
12. Perhaps for the unintelligent loon that lives in an oversimplified world.
13. If you think that is the case, I suggest you get a real education and maybe you'll become able to discern the actual content of my posts.

I already mentioned my first point, which shows how illiterate you are. Also, many important people are political science majors, including US Vice President Joe Biden and US President Barack Obama.
Yeah, way more dead weight are political science and business majors too. Here's the thing: the less brilliant gravitate towards them. Being "important" does not mean you're intelligent or competent, and it shows throughout history.

Also, Smoke on the Water is the 3rd best song (of 7) on Deep Purple's great album "Machine Head." The second best song was "Highway Star." The best is "Lazy," hands down. RIP Jon Lord. He was legendary on the keyboard. That keyboard solo at the beginning of "Lazy" is freaking epic. If I wanted to learn any piece of Deep Purple music, it would be the keyboard playing on "Lazy" or In Rock's "Child In Time."
Yeah, and everyone and their moms know how to play that thing in the guitar. God damn you're oblivious. How do you talk to someone that has absolutely no capacity for nuance or reference?

Just to put it this way, you're a disgraceful poser, whether you understand it or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivP4Olox5YU

lol omg ur as dumb as bush xD
 

Wobbly Headed Bob

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Double post. help me.

I remember the days when we used to discuss L-canceling without the use of strawmen or ad hominems
those were the days
wait ****
no they weren't
this discussion has never gotten anywhere in the history of forever
in fact no argument between opposing beliefs ever has really ever followed proper logic on both sides
that's why they are arguments and not agreements
Just let the brawl***s convince themselves it adds nothing to the game
It actually does follow proper logic in some academic settings... with professors... It's really nice. An argument does not actually stand for "disagreement" either, but it's a set o premises that follow a conclusion.

You just have to accept that there are some people that you cannot save in the world, and there's nothing wrong with making fun of them.
 

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it actually means "You Only Live Once." People use it to justify doing stupid s*** that might get them killed.
Okay, thanks. That makes sense. It's a silly hipster thing. So, by "inductive reasoning," I assume noob scrub (aka Mr. 20 posts) is a hipster.
4. That's right, you're still in unintelligent feces-chucking baby degree.
If by a baby degree you mean a degree that can make me some serious dough and give me a lot of opportunities, than you are right. My uncle and grandmother both got a business administration degree, and they are well off financially.

Also, who made you the end all on the result of such degrees=??? Last I checked, a Business Administration degree opens a lot of doors to awesome things.
6. Your autism is showing.
Yes, autism = stupid, which is why the guy from Rain Man (whom I met; he lived in the area I live in before he died recently) and Albert Einstein are stupid.

Also, you are accusing me of being autistic. You know what name means accuser=??? Satan. ;)
7. Political science, like psychology, anthropology, and English, is important, I agree. It doesn't take much at all to understand it if you're sufficiently logical compared to a real major however. I'm glad that people that are less fortunate have a gateway to learning it like the people that major in it and business, but it's an issue when people like you don't know your place.
"know your place"=??? Are you calling me poor=??? :laugh:
Yeah, and everyone and their moms know how to play that thing in the guitar. God damn you're oblivious. How do you talk to someone that has absolutely no capacity for nuance or reference?
Everyone tries to play "Smoke on the Water" as one of their first songs. "Smoke on the Water," various AC/DC songs, "Enter Sandman," "Stairway to Heaven," etc. are banned from many guitar stores. I got that. I understood what you meant.

I just felt like throwing a curve-ball to see if you actually knew about the band you mentioned. Clearly you don't. It's called fun. That's what posting here is about: fun. Clearly you're on a mission to save our world by insulting it by some inferiority or superiority complex you have but refuse to directly acknowledge.
Just to put it this way, you're a disgraceful poser, whether you understand it or not.
According to you, everyone who isn't you is a disgraceful poster. So tell us almighty 16 year old self-righteous bro brat hipster, how do you feel=???
 

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Okay, thanks. That makes sense. It's a silly hipster thing. So, by "inductive reasoning," I assume noob scrub (aka Mr. 20 posts) is a hipster.
It's not a hipster thing. I don't even know if hipsters say it. It's more of a ******* crunk rap kid thing to say. And just like anyone with reading comprehension skills might be able to understand, I was making fun of them, geeks, and you.

If by a baby degree you mean a degree that can make me some serious dough and give me a lot of opportunities, than you are right. My uncle and grandmother both got a business administration degree, and they are well off financially.
Yeah, most business administrators end up working as the manager in Goodwill. Many people that got the degree are rich. Most people that got it are not. The ratio is kind of equal or less to "not having a degree at all" like so many rich people out there.

If you wanted job safety and security, you should have went for engineering in a thriving field. Oh, but that would require you to know more than algebra and "calculus for dummies".

Also, who made you the end all on the result of such degrees=??? Last I checked, a Business Administration degree opens a lot of doors to awesome things.
Uhh, well you see... business majors are kind of universally made fun of in college for just alluring the typical self-entitled moron like you. It's kind of sad how business majors are always so unaware of it. My department also makes fun of engineers for not being real scientists. Try to guess what it is.

Yes, autism = stupid, which is why the guy from Rain Man (whom I met; he lived in the area I live in before he died recently) and Albert Einstein are stupid.
Oh yeah, because they represent the character traits of autism that people make fun of? Nah, I'm referring more to a Chris Chan or Master Knight DH.

"know your place"=??? Are you calling me poor=??? :laugh:
No, just stupid. And you're further contributing towards this notion.

Everyone tries to play "Smoke on the Water" as one of their first songs. "Smoke on the Water," various AC/DC songs, "Enter Sandman," "Stairway to Heaven," etc. are banned from many guitar stores. I got that. I understood what you meant.

I just felt like throwing a curve-ball to see if you actually knew about the band you mentioned. Clearly you don't. It's called fun. That's what posting here is about: fun. Clearly you're on a mission to save our world by insulting it by some inferiority or superiority complex you have but refuse to directly acknowledge.
Yeah, like a poser.

According to you, everyone who isn't you is a disgraceful poster. So tell us almighty 16 year old self-righteous bro brat hipster, how do you feel=???
Poser*.

"According to you, everyone who isn't you is a disgraceful poster." This is also textbook example #1 of delusional butthurt **** self-comfort. Nothing I've said really suggests so, but it's what you'd like to think to cope with my condescending outlook towards typical business major idiocy.

Just like how you can't be expected to be competent in physics problem solving, what makes you think that you're somehow competent at argumentation? All I ask of you is to know your place. lol
 

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You don't have many friends do you?
Quality over quantity. There's a reason I make an effort to disassociate from your likes.

Oh but please, tell me about your successful social lives at the comic-con and brony convention. Tell me about the beautiful ladies that seek your company. I want to know all about it so I can be just like you.
 

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There's a reason I make an effort to disassociate from your likes.
You're not doing a very good job of it, considering that you're pretty much acting like one of them yourself.

Please, tell me how all this Internet posturing and antagonism isn't indicative of the typical idiot savant who's bored.

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You really like destroying this topic! :laugh:

Anyways, I really want to hear what Kink had to say about his ideas for how manual L-cancelling could be made as anything more than just an inefficient way of reducing lag (with no potential downside when L-cancelling).
Yeah, most business administrators end up working as the manager in Goodwill. Many people that got the degree are rich. Most people that got it are not. The ratio is kind of equal or less to "not having a degree at all" like so many rich people out there.
My uncle is in a management at a Southern California oil company with said degree. My grandmother ran a bank. Also, show me stats. You are spewing crap out of your butt to insult people as to what they are involved in. That doesn't make you intelligent. It just means you are creating fictional weaknesses.

Perhaps if I told you that I lied about my major to trick you, and I'm actually going to get a few science degrees to become a nuclear physicist like my grandfather (who helped build the 1st nuclear power plant), you wouldn't look like such an idiot. But hey, that's mind games son! ;)

Have fun saying that nuclear physicists are dumb now Mr. 20 post Noob Scrub boy! :grin:

Someone tell me how this plays out.
 

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You're not doing a very good job of it, considering that you're pretty much acting like one of them yourself.

Please, tell me how all this Internet posturing and antagonism isn't indicative of the typical idiot savant who's bored.

Smooth Criminal
uhhh..

Probably proper justification for entitlement and realistic perception of faculties would at least get rid of the "idiot" part at least. lol

In any case, it's better to be the Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, or Poe than be the Chris Chan, Ayn Rand, Bill O'Reilly, or Stephenie Meyer. It's better to be the punk than the the Black Veil Brides and Green Day fan. It's better to be horrorcore fan than be the juggalo.

Saying that I belong with them would be collapsing a very broad category. Just because I play fighting games a lot doesn't make me a virgin otaku fat ****** with posters of gag-inducing ****ty anime fanservice plastered in my room. Nor me being an ******* turns me into a predictable unfunny, faux douchebag business major.

right?

You really like destroying this topic! :laugh:

Anyways, I really want to hear what Kink had to say about his ideas for how manual L-cancelling could be made as anything more than just an inefficient way of reducing lag (with no potential downside when L-cancelling).
Well, it was really you who derailed the topic when you tried to impress me with your sad backfired attempt at ****-wavering. I just went along with it for fun. Everything else has been more relevant to the topic.
 

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My uncle is in a management at a Southern California oil company with said degree. My grandmother ran a bank. Also, show me stats. You are spewing crap out of your butt to insult people as to what they are involved in. That doesn't make you intelligent. It just means you are creating fictional weaknesses.

Perhaps if I told you that I lied about my major to trick you, and I'm actually going to get a few science degrees to become a nuclear physicist like my grandfather (who helped build the 1st nuclear power plant), you wouldn't look like such an idiot. But hey, that's mind games son! ;)

Have fun saying that nuclear physicists are dumb now Mr. 20 post Noob Scrub boy! :grin:

Someone tell me how this plays out.
I won't say Nuclear physicists are dumb because I'm a physics student. Given some physics students are not very good at logic either, but they're on average much competent at argumentation than 95% of my samples in the majors I mentioned and made fun of earlier.

If you're going to say you're a physics student, then I can just pull up any problem from any of my textbooks that I can solve and ask you to solve it. If you somehow did turn out to be a physics student, then I wouldn't be able to make fun of you based on your major like I currently do, but I could still make fun of you for being an idiot that does not understand logic. I'm sorry, you're just simply not off the hook, there's just too much evidence, and you can't make it right unless you own up to your faults in reasoning or just admit that everything you've said thus far is just plain stupid.

dat double major.

Edit:

When will I be able to delete my posts so I can merge double posts?
 

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Smooth (or really anyone), have you thought of any ways to freshen up L-cancelling or make it work differently=???

I can't really think of anything outside of the manual or automatic debate or giving L-cancelling negative consequences of some sort.

Edit: LMAO at your double posts and inability to understand double posts.
 

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Fair enough, I guess.

That just leaves the snobbery and douchebaggery aspect of my generalization of your behavior versus the typical Internet intellectual. Lol. Methinks telling you to lighten it up a bit'll get nowhere fast, soooooooo...

Good taste in thinkers, btw. Nietzsche's one of my favorites. Need to re-read Zarathustra.

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Smooth (or really anyone), have you thought of any ways to freshen up L-cancelling or make it work differently=???

Edit: LMAO at your double posts and inability to understand double posts.
Lol that's just petty.

But I understand you need something to cling to when all else is gone. 0|
 

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umm, i dont think we'd need L-canceling in sm4sh.
just fix landing lag on some moves.
some moves just deserve to have long landing lag, links D-air for example. you take the risk of: high damage/knockback, long sustaining hit box, and a move thats pretty fast to pull out. So in turn you'd have longer landing lag.
makes sense to me at least. :|

SOME moves DO deserve lower landing lag though, but taking the balance out of a move with a simple command seems kinda greedy. :urg:
 

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L-Canceling hardly took the balance out of a move.
that wasn't a very clear explaination. not trying to be rude here :(



i was just trying to say that landing lag can exist as long as it doesn't make any character unplayable.
in my opinion, L-canceling tries to defeat the purpose of punishment time, something that most fighting games need.
 
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