Let's Shake Things Up

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm not breaking if people are going to try and kick Badwolf from the game if he is not in a hydra.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

That's on them to suck it up and play with him. Feel free not to like him but we play this game on the MO that we check our personal opinions of people at the door because sometimes you just have to play with them. I have players whose playstyles I don't particularly care for but I'm not gonna be a baby about it, especially not in a time where games are struggling to get off the ground.

EDIT: And besides, there's barely any difference between a player in a solo slot and a player in a hydra. I don't get why you shielding him by playing in the same slot is gonna make a massive difference. There's a long history of players refusing to "reign their partners in" because that's not how hydras should work.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm doing it because I think listing him and others right now is a terrible idea.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I don't follow.

 

[Xivii]

Dgames died with hentai mafia.

 

[Kantrip]

Looks like we need more extrinsic motivation to play mafia. People don't want to play for the sake of enjoying the game itself anymore.

Return of MVP debates?

After that we will collectively decide games are too chaotic and form a queue system.

The cycle continues.

 

[Maven89]

nah i'm still in favor of fights to the death

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't follow.

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[#HBC | Laundry]

Basically the ideas behind it can't be applied to this environment because there isn't a large enough consumer base, and the consumer base there is, is mostly made up of the competitors themselves all selling the same abundant service.

It could be applied if there was:

A. A larger consumer base
B. A variation in services

Imagine a nation in which there was an unlimited supply of cabbages. Yet each person's occupation was that of a cabbage farmer. That's basically what we're doing here, trying to sell each other our "higher quality" cabbages.

If you think there's no variation between hosts then I ask you to compare a game hosted by me to a game hosted by kataefi. Or a game hosted by ryker to a game hosted by potato. Or a game hosted by overswarm to a game hosted by...anyway. You're trying to insinuate everyone here is equally good at hosting and that's not the case.

Edit: or equally similar hosting styles. I think everyone I listed was a solid host but has their flaws (cept os)

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Idea time

Mario newbie was advertised in the mario subforum. Why don't we have someone whip up a Smash 4 newbie mafia and advertise it there?

I'm down.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

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Okay, I saw it. The argument is based on his play rather than his personality. That's somewhat of a fair argument to make given his track record and his reaction didn't help his case.

I don't see how you hydraong with him helps however

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I do think those guys overreacted however and given how hard it is to make games run they should just get over it. We don't have the capability to forbid people from playing right now. Badwolf is fairly easy to ignore and somewhat unthreatening.

 

[Circus]

There are seven games in signups.

"Oh yeah, people will just wait to host their games"

This is quickly turning into a terrible idea

I don't know if I ever actually posted this, but in my head, I told ya so.

I personally don't think any of the games would fill even if there was only one in signups. Pool of active players is abysmal right now

Make smaller games.

And by smaller, I seriously mean, like, under 10 whenever possible. Faster to fill and forces creative thinking on the part of the game maker.

 

[Circus]

Dgames died with hentai mafia.

If dGames died, it died before hentai mafia.

 

[Xivii]

Looks like we need more extrinsic motivation to play mafia. People don't want to play for the sake of enjoying the game itself anymore.

Return of MVP debates?

After that we will collectively decide games are too chaotic and form a queue system.

The cycle continues.

I actually have something in the works. I just need to talk with marshy.

By the way, regarding our previous discussion, I don't necessarily have a settled opinion just yet on whether or not this system will bring about desired results. I don't think it has been given a long or fair enough trial. I do think that the evidence so far points against it with the current environment. As we have all pretty much agreed on, there just aren't enough active players at the moment. The queue system, I believe is the most effective way at producing games in this environment. The only way that this system can be effective is if there are enough active players.

Also I have a PM coming your way.

If you think there's no variation between hosts then I ask you to compare a game hosted by me to a game hosted by kataefi. Or a game hosted by ryker to a game hosted by potato. Or a game hosted by overswarm to a game hosted by...anyway. You're trying to insinuate everyone here is equally good at hosting and that's not the case.

Edit: or equally similar hosting styles. I think everyone I listed was a solid host but has their flaws (cept os)

There is variation, but I imagine that the variation has little effect on filling up games. Impulse is what fills games. Flavor IS a huge reason for why people join games, despite what they might say. While the set up and mod quality affects a persons in game experience it will not greatly affect their impulse to join a game later on. Another thing with regard to impulse is just the overall mood and feel of things. This is not the only time we've gone through a depression. People become busy during certain periods and interest just ins't that hight. We went through a brief period of interest during the zombies - sleepover period; then school started for a lot of people and other things. I'm not sure how Smash 4 decreases involvement in dgames, but Ryker insist it does. Furthermore, Dgames is an aging population. We lead busy lives. I personally just don't have time to really play mafia right now, and probably wont ever really get a chance to be as participative as I was before.

I think that we really just need to revitalize the player base as has been suggested.

I have to make a quick note on your OS appraisal, because he is most certainly flawed. I'm only going to speak on the games that I've been in or read, but from my experience:

-His set ups are generally unfair / unbalanced.

• FF6 was horribly town sided and breakable through mass claim
• The wall was very messy and some of the win conditions were contradictory and kind of silly. That was pretty experimental though so I guess I shouldn't criticize it too greatly.
• Superheroes, you know that was a really good game.

-His failure to randomize his roles have allowed me to identify scum in two games:

• Meta-Kirby in FF6 indy was identifiable because OS intentionally made him, Vanderzant, and I scum because we were the three town leaders in his previous game (Villians).
• X1 in Superheroes mafia was identifiable because OS intentionally made him scum because in ZV's Fire Emblem game, X1 & I worked heavily together to push OS scum, and I made the claim that I could 100% accurately read X1.
• OS made me Deadpool eternal chatterbox in Superheroes also because of ZV's game before where I completely Reythd/Ranmarued it up.

-Overall dishonesty

• I've caught OS being a dishonest host a number of occasions. He modifies games as he sees fit to go with his vision. The most prominent example I can think of is his Detective game. If you remember, I figured out a way for the town side to win; OS made mechanical adjustments to counter that, but was dishonest in doing so, trying to play it off as if the mafia side just missed it in the rules.
• His failure to disclose that he does not fully randomize roles (I called him out on this before).

I am by no means an OS hater, and I'd still play his games regardless of these flaws of course. Superheroes was one of my all time favorites, especially since I had that advantage on X1. Villians was really cool to. Funnily enough, I also was able to id X1 as scum because of mechanical flaw in that game haha. I'm just saying, less **** riding is warranted.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

You can claim he has flaws but he's still our most solid host. Out of everyone on this site I think he's the only one capable of filling a game based on name.

I ain't reading your novel tho lmao

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Dgames died with hentai mafia.

chaco killed dgames
rip in peace queueless queue 2014-2014

additionally I want to add that I think I could host and fill my own closed 17-player setup in this climate within a week of thread open

 

[#HBC | Joker]

There is no host that will get me to sign up for a game on name alone. I also don't really pay much attention to flavor. I look at setups, and occasionally the playerlist, but the biggest thing is just "do I feel like playing mafia right now". Right now the answer is just "no", and the only reason I'm signed up for Nabe's game is because an open setup is too rare to pass up around here. Seems I'm the only one who thinks so, since I think I'm still the only one /in that game, but it's the kind of thing I want to see more of, therefore I support it.

 

[Kantrip]

There is no host that will get me to sign up for a game on name alone. I also don't really pay much attention to flavor. I look at setups, and occasionally the playerlist, but the biggest thing is just "do I feel like playing mafia right now". Right now the answer is just "no", and the only reason I'm signed up for Nabe's game is because an open setup is too rare to pass up around here. Seems I'm the only one who thinks so, since I think I'm still the only one /in that game, but it's the kind of thing I want to see more of, therefore I support it.

I love open setups.

I'm hoping to make Kantplay Open Mafia a semi regular thing

 

[Kantrip]

chaco killed dgames
rip in peace queueless queue 2014-2014

additionally I want to add that I think I could host and fill my own closed 17-player setup in this climate within a week of thread open

Queuequeue more

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Unqueued system is a failure. If we pretend that it isn't then we're just harming DGames more. I suggest we take all of the games that are awaiting signups and form a queue based on the dates they were put up. As it stands, filling a game is a nightmare and if we actually want to play a game of mafia every once in a while then we can't stick with this. Keeping it as it is is only stagnating DGames more.

And is is really whack how we went from merging the queues to encourage game activity to going to the complete opposite direction

 

[#HBC | marshy]

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HIT EM WIT DAT TRUTH BOI! I SEE YU! TOP 3 REALEST POSTS 2014!

 

[Xivii]

lol.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

So ignoring the moderators circlejerk, there was a reason why the queue was adopted in the first place. Why was this not considered when it came do getting rid of the queue? (This current situation is exactly how I'd expect a queue-less mafia place to go) Was it the belief that we now have a more "mature" player base that would let hosts "take their turns?" Because 6 games in signups is showing that to be not the case

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Find a way to entice new players to play mafia would solve this current issue.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

So ignoring the moderators circlejerk, there was a reason why the queue was adopted in the first place. Why was this not considered when it came do getting rid of the queue? (This current situation is exactly how I'd expect a queue-less mafia place to go) Was it the belief that we now have a more "mature" player base that would let hosts "take their turns?" Because 6 games in signups is showing that to be not the case

You're acting like the queue was so amazing when it really wasn't that fantastic. Yes, it was orderly, but you'd have to wait a year and a half just to host your set-up so all the excitement and energy you built while making it went to waste because you'd just save it for a year and when it was finally your turn again you'd forgotten all about it. Likewise, I can now dodge a game while not waiting for it to start and then waiting for the next one to fill basically after the current one to end because half of DGames likes playing in one game at a time right now. There are issues with a new system, there always are, and calling for the old one (when it clearly had issues) isn't a fix to the problem.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

So ignoring the moderators circlejerk, there was a reason why the queue was adopted in the first place. Why was this not considered when it came do getting rid of the queue? (This current situation is exactly how I'd expect a queue-less mafia place to go) Was it the belief that we now have a more "mature" player base that would let hosts "take their turns?" Because 6 games in signups is showing that to be not the case

God no.

It's because the quality of games has deteriorated notably and we're playing the same set-up over and over and over. The point is for 6 people to put up sign-ups and for four of them to die due to lack of interest rather than take a month and a half in queue and then die on Day 3 due to lack of interest. The queue itself was seen as something everyone wanted to do for no reason other than to have a spot in the queue in case they ever wanted to host a game. It takes over a year and a half (my last position took two years) to reach the front of the queue. People who want to host should be able to host when they want to host, but if their game is not one people want to enter, then it DOESN'T need to actually run.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Find a way to entice new players to play mafia would solve this current issue.

It's a fix but not necessarily one we need. I would urge everyone who posts to different parts of the site to put advertisements in their signatures directing people to DGames.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Also, for the record. Blazblue mafia will be full in less than 24 hours. On my honor.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

edit cuz itll ruin the magic

 

[Maven89]

You could have a que for larger games and no que for mini's/under 10 or whatever the mini definition is. Then just have the que be smaller, only allow like 3-5 games in que, so people can't que up for over a year or whatever

But by far the simplest answer would be to recruit more people, i can't do that yall will have to

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

thats exactly the system thats being reformed, except only allowing 3-5 games in queue would become severely unfair cuz that guy will put his name in the queue after every game he completes sign ups for n deprive others

 

[Chaco]

I didn't buy that so I checked every open set-up at the moment that wasn't Zen's (one because it has absolutely no sign-ups, the other because its sign-ups are irrelevant as the game won't start until December even if it fills).

G3S Players: Marshy/Kary, Gorf, Jexs, Chaco/Rajam, Ruy/Badwolf, Dietz, Maven, Mac, Orbo, Nabe, Potato (11 slots, 13 players)
UTrick'd: Maven, Orbo, Glyfe, Stew, Chaco (5 slots, 5 players, 3 repeat, 2 different)
UScrew: Marshy/Stew (1 slot, 2 players, 2 repeat)
"****ty Mafia": Jexs, Ashemu, Marshy/Stew, Potato, Orbo, Gorf, Ryker, Dark Horse, Nabe, Rajam, Laundry (13 slots, 14 players, 9 repeat, 4 different)
Blazblue: Orbo, Raz, Maven, Chaco, Ruy, Nabe, Bardull (7 slots, 7 players, 5 repeat, 2 different).
Swag: PJB, Chaco, Ryker, Gheb, Laundry (5 slots, 5 players, 3 repeat, 2 different)

G3S could run right now if Gheb forced the hydras into separate playerslots. That's already 13 players, more than you claim are on the site right now. Not including that, there's another 12 players sprinkled throughout different games that aren't Gheb's. That's not "less than 13", that's "25 individuals still signed up for a mafia game". Player count is not an issue.

To be fair with my game, I havent gotten around to even finishing the thread yet, hahahaha. So don't expect any sign ups until I do that. Ive been working thirds, so chaco is sleepy when he gets home and passes out til he works again. Im adjusting dammit

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Also, for the record. Blazblue mafia will be full in less than 24 hours. On my honor.

May as well have been 24 hours but it filled in 11 days on a whole. So much for "we don't have players" or "no one cares" or "this system sucks". You just can't do the same **** in the last system and expect a game to fill.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Who'er said 'don't be afraid to sign-up for 2-3 games and only play whichever fills first' that sounds like a good idea to me. Personally I only want to play one game at a time right now, and I don't really care which one it is.

2nd, I don't think its fair to say 'the new system doesn't work' after literally like 6 weeks of it or something. I don't feel that strongly one way or another, but given that it wasn't unusual for some games to take ~ 3 weeks in the old system, i barely notice the difference. Of course there are like six games in signups, but really that was always gonna happen when the floodgates opened.

I'd say give it six months before you try and change anything again. If there's still a glut of games, or people still can't get their games to fill, or whatever, then maybe it needs some tweaking. But you can demonstrably host a game and fill a game atm... it's not perfect but then it never was.

@ Maven89 people always complain and moan in dgames. I like to think it's because most of the people here actually care about the community and want to see it be better. Thankfully we get on for the most part despite the **** tons of salt everywhere.

Oh and I don't know if anyone was seriously suggesting 'splitting up' hydras but LOL, not gonna happen because you can't enforce it, sorry. If I wasn't in a hydra with marshstomp id probably skip all these games right now. If you're concerned about how many players we have, i'd point back to the top paragraph; it is gonna be ****ing dumb if all the games stall out because the playerbase is too split between games.

blah blah capitalism isn't commercialism BAM IM OUT not reading this thread for another month

 

[Takamagahara]

We are currently looking for a potential replacement for Blazblue Mafia in case one of its players does not show up relatively soon.

The game is in Day 1, ~seven pages in at the time of this post. You would be replacing into a slot that has not yet participated and so would be a fresh slate.

PM this account if interested. Thanks for your consideration ;3

http://smashboards.com/threads/blazblue-mafia-rebel-1-action.372795/


EDIT: The player returned, but any interested parties for replacement need not hesitate to apply for future needs.