Let's Shake Things Up

[#HBC | Nabe]

all yur setups wulda been better had yu hollad at me. old system had flaws but quality of setups were above the median on the internet due to reviewers giving a **** and most hosts who said **** reviews ****ed **** up in their setups that culdve been avoided had they played ball. this includes yu and os among others whose setups people love to ****ride. hopefully people who host now genuinely try to hav a second pair of eyes look over their ****

any1 who liked this post is a ******

i love yu. but im 2 real for this ****

I respect the message: peer review is great. Try not to **** on me to get it across.

What I said was 0% an "I didn't run this by anybody" post and 100% a "**** the system" post. I didn't run (some of) my setups through the mods here, because they're not part of my workflow, and because we're a relatively small community, I also didn't want to leave mods out of my playerbase (particularly Sold and Raz -- I didn't know you until relatively recently).

I run my setups here by several people on various other forums and chatrooms literally as I'm writing them, as a peer write AND edit, and leave out lots of horrible ideas as a result, at all stages of development. These are people I trust for balance ideas, some of whom run bog-standard setups that I help with and get behind (usually without attempting to force in a yakuza or any other of my garbage roles, surprisingly). On the flip side, they help me to do my stuff and balance it, but balance in terms of the **** I set out to make without trying to make me run something I'm not interested in. And yes, that does mean it's not going to be tightly balanced like a mountainous, but it also doesn't mean I'm throwing my trash at DGames to see what sticks. Thanks.

 

[Marshmellowman]

n i think its whack yud forgo the mods here cuz the only party involved in the setup crafting process otherwise who knows anything about our meta (and thus what can and cant work) is yu. meanin the other ****** lack a baseline to judge wat can fly. ill sooner approach a mod here before hitting up the most acclaimed host on magic the gathering

****** are gonna do whatever the **** they want doe. but i wasnt gonna jus sit there lettin yu **** on the old system wen good things came outta that process and ive personally witnessed plenty of mother****ers say **** the review process to poor results. i jus hate seein ****** catch flak in postgame for the setup wen they made no effort to consult others

 

[Xivii]

Just saying, Death Note is mine. It may be a few years tho...

 

[Circus]

@Marshy

In fairness, I consider you kind of the only person who reviews setups (which is why I always bother you when I want to host something), and that's lame on it's own. Sold and ZV have been ****ed outta here for

what

a year? 10 years? (what is time)

point is actually despite my general support for the review process for most games, I think a little chaos sometimes is nice, especially since having one dude with one -admittedly broadly respected- point of view combing through all the games that try lots of weird things is just kind of unrealistic. Like Nabe or OS or someone runs a game and it swings like a bat and everybody ******* about it in post-game but that's kind of part of the fun and everything's okay? I don't have the key to unlock the way to regulate what is or is not to much of that sort of thing, but I think the reputations of games like that, and the hosts of such games, kind of speaks for itself. vanilla-adjacent games are great and all, but sometimes the fun of the challenge is trumped by the fun of experiencing something unpredictable (and maybe broken a little bit sure but who's really getting hurt if we're all having fun?)

 

[#HBC | Joker]

@Marshy

In fairness, I consider you kind of the only person who reviews setups (which is why I always bother you when I want to host something), and that's lame on it's own. Sold and ZV have been ****ed outta here for

what

a year? 10 years? (what is time)

point is actually despite my general support for the review process for most games, I think a little chaos sometimes is nice, especially since having one dude with one -admittedly broadly respected- point of view combing through all the games that try lots of weird things is just kind of unrealistic. Like Nabe or OS or someone runs a game and it swings like a bat and everybody *****es about it in post-game but that's kind of part of the fun and everything's okay? I don't have the key to unlock the way to regulate what is or is not to much of that sort of thing, but I think the reputations of games like that, and the hosts of such games, kind of speaks for itself. vanilla-adjacent games are great and all, but sometimes the fun of the challenge is trumped by the fun of experiencing something unpredictable (and maybe broken a little bit sure but who's really getting hurt if we're all having fun?)

You're adorable.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

@Marshy

i CANNOT believe that some1 actually stole my name tryna jack my swag. i need to get my **** copyrighted

anyways i **** wit wat yure sayin (tho i hope yu dont actually think yure bothering me wen sending me setups. if i didnt like lookin em over i wuldnt throw my name out there) tho i still cant condone jus throwin out a game without at least 1 other person here takin a second look. hell they might be down wit the swing i kno ive given thumbs up to setups id personally never run but can understand the appeal of tryin something different

 

[Circus]

i just want to see more maf-town-indi mexican standoffs in endgame. persona mafia mighta been broke but it was beautiful too.

like can you imagine if that game just ended with town flavor-pinning everybody or mafia sweeping town's chubby gullible faces like 99% of all other games? barf

EDIT: actually let me rephrase that

I don't want to see MORE shenanigans. but I wanna see some. and i feel like that mainly only happens when a game is made out of so many red flags it's practically not even worth trying to review. at least in a traditional way. obviously you don't want people doing stupid stuff like making games that can end in a Day coughhackughthischestcold but it's nice to go a little mad with it sometimes, as long as you know what you're getting into

 

[#HBC | marshy]

vanilla-adjacent games are great and all, but sometimes the fun of the challenge is trumped by the fun of experiencing something unpredictable (and maybe broken a little bit sure but who's really getting hurt if we're all having fun?)

nvm i def skimmed this

**** NO!!

who the hell wants to be blindsided by some randomass **** that can affect the outcome of the game when they cant predict it. i hav had this happen more than enough in these role madness games wit some1 gettin **** on to the mod sayin "lolz i wanted to see it play out" but its at the expense of a players experience. its atrocious

 

[Circus]

heh, was wondering why you were so cool with that post.

anyway it's not at the expense of the player's experience if they know that's what they're getting. again, not saying everybody should just get to host ******* games all the time, but it's nice to play a game in which you really don't know what's going to happen once in a while. obviously i'm not suggesting that attempts at balance should be thrown out the window; i just think that people flock to role madness style games (and whatever it is Nabe does, riddles and ****) because they're thinking they can't wait to see what happens rather than just wanting to put their skills of debate and deception to the test again. i guess just speaking for myself, i don't ALWAYS want a perfectly fair fight. sometimes i like just being taken by surprise or placed in unfamiliar situations. "man, this game starts with a riddle and i don't even know my role until i solve it!" "holy **** there's another faction!" "i just got a new Night action how'd that happen?!"

****'s exciting if it's done well

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I can start reviewing setups if you want me to. At the moment it's only marshy and Raz afaik

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm willing to review set-ups. I bet @ Overswarm is willing to review set-ups. I'm sure some others are out there if you post here.

That's a major point of changing the set-up is to encourage others to get involved with ensuring set-ups meet standards without bottle necking what type of game gets played. The biggest thing is that I want to make certain that people have the opportunity to improve at hosting rather than sitting lethargically in a year+ queue.

 

[Circus]

I bet @ Overswarm is willing to review set-ups.

"yeah it's fine i guess but like there's only one scum faction?? and halfa these ******* are vanilla idk man give em something imo or this game is only gonna take a month or 2 tops"

jp I actually think Ozzy would be a good alternative perspective for a lot of games

 

[Overswarm]

boring setups are boring!

 

[Alakaslam]

U not in gaem @ moment?

Want instant mafia phix?

Go replace here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/238343-player-replacement?page=11

I am currently banned from that site so no fear

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Can you please stop advertising?

 

[Chaco]

U not in gaem @ moment?

Want instant mafia phix?

Go replace here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/238343-player-replacement?page=11

I am currently banned from that site so no fear

You're probs about to currently be banned from this site, but no fear. :C

 

[Jdietz43]

queue dissappears, EVERYONE hosts a game immediately.

Why do you think I'm waiting?

I know that feel.

This is me, and these are my horses

 

[Deleted member]

Just wanted to come back here to say I am so thankful this change was made. Now I have a good reasons to start playing Mafia over here again.

Maybe someday I will...

 

[Orboknown]

Who?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

his name is written in some kinda crazy ching chong language!

 

[Deleted member]

Who?

I was known as SSBF until I got a name change May of this year.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

YEOOOOOOOOOOOOO

you should totally join a game

 

[JeXs]

Ching chong land coming through.

 

[Chaco]

We need a swag Halloween set up.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

part of me wants to ***** about too many ****ing games in signups n there bein no way in **** that theyre all gonna fill

the other part realizes its an instinct built from modding n tryna push evry game thru

 

[Chaco]

whe I saw another up tonight I was like HOLY. ****. Yeah, it's not gonna get any better anytime soon I don't think. Games are already stagnating...but idk, our player base don't support it at all.

I've held back throwing up another one of my set ups since Hentai got closed. But I guess I'll continue to hold off for a good while, haha. Either that or god mod on MafiaScum. <.< I started playing on there again as is...

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Is a couple signup threads sitting around really a bad thing? It shows people what's up next.

That said, there could probably be a time limit imposed for setups to fill, with setups that don't fill being ineligible to be re-run for some period of time. 'cause if a game takes too long to fill, the people at the top of the player list are out of the window of time they had planned to play into.

 

[we thuggin]

im just confused cuz well...there seems a more obvious time to put up a thread. i see threads n im like "why wouldnt you wait for a time when the playerbase is less stretched out cuz youre likelier to fill?" n i dont see how "showing people whats up next" is good in itself. isnt the point to put up a thread and have it fill fairly quickly cuz yknow people wanna play? your wording makes it sound like a queue without a queue

not that its this huge terrible awful thing or a big deal. if games dont fill then they dont fill

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Well, it is a queue without a queue, because people are taking turns hosting. The difference between the situation before and the situation now is that there's no obligation to join the currently available games and keep the machine moving. I know I and others played games in queue that we wouldn't have if they were put out in the open; Pizza Mafia was probably one of them. Without those pre-greased wheels moving games along, the environment will have to be at least somewhat competitive, calling for ballin' marketing and a willingness to adapt (running 9p instead of 13, for example).

The current situation is going to be telling for how to make things run smoothly in the future. Three games just ended, three games have signups open, and they're all different (open setup, normal game, all-PRs uPick).

 

[Chaco]

Yeah I agree it puts the balls in the mods court to make games that are memorable and make your own player base larger. (Even thought DGames could use like 10-15 more active players.) Players also don't have to feel obligated to join one game to get to another. Which is shweet.

 

[Takamagahara]

Speaking of friendly competition:

We don't make mafia games, we make mafia productions.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm probably going to post the set-up to this game when finish and see what people say about it (http://smashboards.com/threads/blazblue-mafia-a-strange-continuum-shift.372795/unread).

 

[Takamagahara]

We'll accept hydras if there are additional people that express interest in the game once we reach 15

 

[Chaco]

Holy balls notha game.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah I agree it puts the balls in the mods court to make games that are memorable and make your own player base larger. (Even thought DGames could use like 10-15 more active players.) Players also don't have to feel obligated to join one game to get to another. Which is shweet.

I tend to dislike this mindset since I like 13 man games over anything smaller.

I can make smaller but it limits what I can do with the set-up.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

If you like bigger setups, why would you dislike wanting 10-15 more dgamers?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If you like bigger setups, why would you dislike wanting 10-15 more dgamers?

Not that, DGames favor small set-ups over larger ones. That I dislike whether I make a simple set-up or a crazy one.

 

[Chaco]

It's not even that, it's how you run your games not just the set up. Modding is more than creating a good set up, but a good set up with bad ass moddign also makes it to where players are more apt to join your games.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

It's not even that, it's how you run your games not just the set up. Modding is more than creating a good set up, but a good set up with bad *** moddign also makes it to where players are more apt to join your games.

THIS MAN GETS IT!

 

[Jdietz43]

Holy balls notha game.

Let the records show Marshy stepped to us, not the other way around.