Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
Having a winner doesn't make something competitive. If you had a coin tossing tournament, *somebody* would win, yet no one in his right mind would argue the tournament was competitive.
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Let's face it, Brawl = Next Mario Party, huge dissapointment
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Darkslash
Smash Master
OMg i wish that would happen :D
bugmenot
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Did you just agree with hippochinfat, only to tell him to GTFO moments later?
What the hell is going on here?
Flaming Dragon Wang
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I've posted this elsewhere, but I feel that it belongs in this train wreck of a topic too.
People have the right to complain.
If somebody feels that Brawl is not good, he should be respected just as one who commends Brawl. I love Brawl. I think it's the best game in the series. You may not think that. That's fine.
I'm not going to get into an argument about this because it is futile to argue over one's opinion. There is no opinion that governs over the other. Chill out. Not everyone agrees with you.
People have the right to complain.
If somebody feels that Brawl is not good, he should be respected just as one who commends Brawl. I love Brawl. I think it's the best game in the series. You may not think that. That's fine.
I'm not going to get into an argument about this because it is futile to argue over one's opinion. There is no opinion that governs over the other. Chill out. Not everyone agrees with you.
Sorry that this has nothing to do with the thread, but Shai Hulud has the greatest name ever (I was contemplating being Shaitan, but it was probably already taken)
bugmenot
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Actually, we need more posts like this in threads that degenerate quickly into situations with no return.
Non-sequitur hijacks are welcomed here.
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
I am pretty amazing.
Non-sequitur hijack: This thread will now be a discussion about how amazing I am.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
How can an additional feature to a game make it less fun? Nobody said you had to L-cancel if you didn't want to. It wasn't mandatory.
Oh, I get it. You didn't like having to practice to be the best.
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
You know what I think the most amazing thing about Shai Hulud is? His Fox is so unbelievably purple and shiny.
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
You know what's a cool name? Crewman. Except change the "C" to a "K" and the "e" to a "3" so people will recognize your 1337ness.
****tard.
Flaming Dragon Wang
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Because kr3wman is such a better name.
Sandy
Smash Champion
To the OP: Why join here just to post this? You're username is epic failure:
FalconPunch
Smash Journeyman
I don't get the Shai Hulud reference.
arrowhead
Smash Ace
he probably made a new name cause he didn't want his main name to get hate mail and all thatTo the OP: Why join here just to post this? You're username is epic failure:
TheReFiller
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From what I can tell of 3+ hours of Brawl playing at my friend's house, sure it may be a little different, but it still has that Smash Bros aura surrounding it. And yes, the physics and game play differ slightly, but people will get used to it eventually. It stinks there is no wavedashing or L-canceling, but I'm sure we can find some new techniques or a way around it. I say that all you Brawl haters need to give Brawl a few more chances. If that fails, than you can go back to playing Melee for all I care.
P.S. - Darn, Brawl is arriving in my mail on Friday. I can't wait any longer.
P.S. - Darn, Brawl is arriving in my mail on Friday. I can't wait any longer.
DRaGZ
Smash Champion
You're saying what I'm thinking and wanting to say. Awesome.
Shai Hulud is getting his way with taking over this thread. I'm totally for it. It's hilarious.
Now for my two cents on this ridiculous topic. First off Mario Parties are thrown out every year with no care put into them. The amount of time and effort put into Brawl is absolutlye ludicrous.
Secondly Smash is a party fighting game, that's what the series has always been known for. It's a glorified king of the hill with items and four played accessibilty, its MEANT to be a party game. It's also always had Nintendo's biggest stars fighting each other, a huge geekgasm for us Nintendo fanboys, and then with all that, it still somehow is deep enough to make a hardcore competive game out of it.
You idiots complaining about this game need to remember that Sakurai never made the game with the intent of wavedashing being THE way to play the game. It's not catered for just us who've been playing the game religiously all these years. It's a party fighting game. on the Wii. Featuring mutliple characters, Sonic and Snake included, its MEANT to sell more copies, it's meant to appeal to as many people as possible, THAT'S HOW YOU SELL GAMES. And that's how the series has always, ALWAYS been.
Does that mean that competitive Smash doesn't count anymore? That this game is just meant for casual only? Are you people insane? Have you not been following the development of this game? Sakurai put his heart and soul into this project for two years, he could have taken Melee and just added new characters, but he didnt. He rebuilt it from the ground up. He gave us a completely different game. And all you can do is ***** about it? It's got a huge soundtrack, online play, a chance to start fresh and master a completely different beast instead of the same ****ing thing we've been playing for seven years, and some of you have the aucacity to sit here and compare it to Mario Party?
Advanced techs will be discovered. A brand new style of competitive play will come with it, then and only then compare it to Melee's. 64 is a totally different game from Melee, Brawl is only following that tradition. You may like it more, you may like it less, but regardless you can put in all three games, and you'll be playing something entirely different with each one.
I didn't sit around and wait to play a game I've been playing seven years. If Sakurai didn't show love for this game, it would have been the exact same thing. If you want to stick to Melee, stick to Melee, the rest of us are going to master this entirely new game and then eventually endure listening to the idiots whining that Smash 4 doesn't play like Brawl.
It's been said a million times already, this game is new, things will be discovered. But after all the work and love Sakurai and the ridiculously large amount of people put into this game, be a little smarter than comparing it to a game series they repackage and resell every year.
Now for my two cents on this ridiculous topic. First off Mario Parties are thrown out every year with no care put into them. The amount of time and effort put into Brawl is absolutlye ludicrous.
Secondly Smash is a party fighting game, that's what the series has always been known for. It's a glorified king of the hill with items and four played accessibilty, its MEANT to be a party game. It's also always had Nintendo's biggest stars fighting each other, a huge geekgasm for us Nintendo fanboys, and then with all that, it still somehow is deep enough to make a hardcore competive game out of it.
You idiots complaining about this game need to remember that Sakurai never made the game with the intent of wavedashing being THE way to play the game. It's not catered for just us who've been playing the game religiously all these years. It's a party fighting game. on the Wii. Featuring mutliple characters, Sonic and Snake included, its MEANT to sell more copies, it's meant to appeal to as many people as possible, THAT'S HOW YOU SELL GAMES. And that's how the series has always, ALWAYS been.
Does that mean that competitive Smash doesn't count anymore? That this game is just meant for casual only? Are you people insane? Have you not been following the development of this game? Sakurai put his heart and soul into this project for two years, he could have taken Melee and just added new characters, but he didnt. He rebuilt it from the ground up. He gave us a completely different game. And all you can do is ***** about it? It's got a huge soundtrack, online play, a chance to start fresh and master a completely different beast instead of the same ****ing thing we've been playing for seven years, and some of you have the aucacity to sit here and compare it to Mario Party?
Advanced techs will be discovered. A brand new style of competitive play will come with it, then and only then compare it to Melee's. 64 is a totally different game from Melee, Brawl is only following that tradition. You may like it more, you may like it less, but regardless you can put in all three games, and you'll be playing something entirely different with each one.
I didn't sit around and wait to play a game I've been playing seven years. If Sakurai didn't show love for this game, it would have been the exact same thing. If you want to stick to Melee, stick to Melee, the rest of us are going to master this entirely new game and then eventually endure listening to the idiots whining that Smash 4 doesn't play like Brawl.
It's been said a million times already, this game is new, things will be discovered. But after all the work and love Sakurai and the ridiculously large amount of people put into this game, be a little smarter than comparing it to a game series they repackage and resell every year.
arrowhead
Smash Ace
the game's mechanics guarantee that it won't be as competitive as melee. and then you take into account the techs they took out like l-cancel and DJC. i didn't put WD in that list because it wasn't intended, so none of you can say "we'll find new techs".
giving the game the same competitive potential as melee wouldn't take away from casual play. we're "butthurt" because they INTENDED to tone the game down for newbies, which was completely unnecessary
this doesn't mean i don't LIKE the game. i play it every time my parents aren't home. but i just don't like how they made the game less competitive than melee for no justifiable reason
giving the game the same competitive potential as melee wouldn't take away from casual play. we're "butthurt" because they INTENDED to tone the game down for newbies, which was completely unnecessary
this doesn't mean i don't LIKE the game. i play it every time my parents aren't home. but i just don't like how they made the game less competitive than melee for no justifiable reason
Mikau et al
Smash Journeyman
Brawl is a letdown, but Mario Party comparisons are extreme. And it's not the speed, it's the general quality of the choices they made regarding what was put in and what wasn't. Examples include: SSE=Kirby, ROB/Toon Link/Lucas, no Galaxy anything, stickers. There are just too many things for people to be unhappy about, and I really don't think they made the proper decisions to make Brawl last until the next installment.
Anyway, if you look at another major entertainment industry that has gone down the drain (in about the same timeline), I'll give you a different comparison. Disney at one point was producing some quality movies--although they were all basically the same, they were nominated for best picture and score and everything in the early nineties--because they were good; they stacked up to live action, and that's saying something. We'll call that standard analagous to Nintendo's glory days: the 64 generation. There were some good games before 64, just like there were some good Disney movies before the nineties, but that was when Nintendo really shone just like N64 was Nintendo's glory days.
Then Disney lost Alan Menken and although tried a musical or two; they generally failed. The last of these pseudo-musicals was Tarzan, and Phil Collins was officially what killed Disney. This is about where Brawl is at right now--trying to go with the same good stuff but really not meeting expectations that were created based on its predecessors; it's created on outdated information.
Now, Disney has pretty much given up on good musicals--Enchanted was a pseudo-musical, but it only succeeded because they brought back Menken's music, which was what essentially saved Disney to begin with. But mostly, Disney is now nothing but lame half-***** movies and sequels like High School Musical, Cinderella 3, and Hannah Montana. "If you throw enough crap at the wall, eventually some of it will stick" attitude. This is where Mario Party and Mario Sports games are. They keep churning out crappy sequels just to get money from the small cults that actually still play them.
So, Brawl really isn't at the Mario Party stage yet. But SSB's getting there, and I'm pretty sure that if people keep blindly accepting the fact that Brawl has major room for improvement, then it will essentially be nothing more than party game quality by the next generation.
Peace,
Mikau
Anyway, if you look at another major entertainment industry that has gone down the drain (in about the same timeline), I'll give you a different comparison. Disney at one point was producing some quality movies--although they were all basically the same, they were nominated for best picture and score and everything in the early nineties--because they were good; they stacked up to live action, and that's saying something. We'll call that standard analagous to Nintendo's glory days: the 64 generation. There were some good games before 64, just like there were some good Disney movies before the nineties, but that was when Nintendo really shone just like N64 was Nintendo's glory days.
Then Disney lost Alan Menken and although tried a musical or two; they generally failed. The last of these pseudo-musicals was Tarzan, and Phil Collins was officially what killed Disney. This is about where Brawl is at right now--trying to go with the same good stuff but really not meeting expectations that were created based on its predecessors; it's created on outdated information.
Now, Disney has pretty much given up on good musicals--Enchanted was a pseudo-musical, but it only succeeded because they brought back Menken's music, which was what essentially saved Disney to begin with. But mostly, Disney is now nothing but lame half-***** movies and sequels like High School Musical, Cinderella 3, and Hannah Montana. "If you throw enough crap at the wall, eventually some of it will stick" attitude. This is where Mario Party and Mario Sports games are. They keep churning out crappy sequels just to get money from the small cults that actually still play them.
So, Brawl really isn't at the Mario Party stage yet. But SSB's getting there, and I'm pretty sure that if people keep blindly accepting the fact that Brawl has major room for improvement, then it will essentially be nothing more than party game quality by the next generation.
Peace,
Mikau
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
I'm already just waiting for the next Smash Bros release...come on Melee 2.0! I can dream.
you ever notice how long posts like this one always go off topic? i mean, it was about comparing brawl and melee and mario party? then it became ppl fighting online over a freakin name...
ok i know everyone was waiting to hear my opinion (lol), so here it is
brawl. is different from melee. there is no doubt about that. because ive trained so hard on melee, i just cant get used the stuff repeated about a million times in this thread (WD/LC gone, slow falling stuff...). the game has a different FEEL. in melee, after a few years, you get used to the controller. the all of a sudden you're using the Wiimote... its not the same. plus, unless you have 25 hours a day to play brawl, theres no way you can take in all the features. theres just way too much. as of now, i am disappointed in Brawl.
HOWEVER
if brawl were exactly identical to melee, i would never have bought it. give the pros some time to figure it out. did you guys invent SHFFLing or WD? i didnt think so. dont say theres nothing left to do on brawl. theres bound to be new ad. techs. coming soon. it just came out yesterday, and you guys are acting like you already know everything about it. you havent even been playing it for two days. even the great Mario didnt become mascot of Nintendo is a single day.
personally, i cant wait for the BRoomers to come up with a new set of tiers and stage lists. i hope marth is still on top...
ok i know everyone was waiting to hear my opinion (lol), so here it is
brawl. is different from melee. there is no doubt about that. because ive trained so hard on melee, i just cant get used the stuff repeated about a million times in this thread (WD/LC gone, slow falling stuff...). the game has a different FEEL. in melee, after a few years, you get used to the controller. the all of a sudden you're using the Wiimote... its not the same. plus, unless you have 25 hours a day to play brawl, theres no way you can take in all the features. theres just way too much. as of now, i am disappointed in Brawl.
HOWEVER
if brawl were exactly identical to melee, i would never have bought it. give the pros some time to figure it out. did you guys invent SHFFLing or WD? i didnt think so. dont say theres nothing left to do on brawl. theres bound to be new ad. techs. coming soon. it just came out yesterday, and you guys are acting like you already know everything about it. you havent even been playing it for two days. even the great Mario didnt become mascot of Nintendo is a single day.
personally, i cant wait for the BRoomers to come up with a new set of tiers and stage lists. i hope marth is still on top...
I love you.
limitbreak
Smash Ace
Brawl is awesome. The load times are long because there are like three different games on this one little disk .. it is really insanely awesome. I dont mind waiting a few extra seconds to play this amazing game.
-sonny-
Smash Journeyman
Yes, you would. Stop lying to yourself.
On topic ... Obviously people have a right to their own opinion, but I REALLY fail to see the point of threads like these. If you don't like the game, why does everyone need to know? It's your own opinion and you're crazy if you think that anyone cares about it (unless you're a "pro", of course). If you like the game, there's no use in making a thread saying how much you love it either.
GoodMornEvery1
Smash Cadet
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It takes some getting used to, ill admit, and melee was better ill admit, but brawl is great. its the breath of fresh air we all needed
burnupevery1
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Brawl Is The Best!! End Of Discussion!!
KernelColonel
Smash Journeyman
I like that too, yeah. Snake has that upsmash dash thing, and Zamus has her Dash attack + Dtilt combo. Peach still has autofloat, and Diddy Kong has amazing Forward-B mindgame potential (personally, I like doing an aerial right after pressing his >B, it's like, instant forward-momentum shorthop thing).
thumbswayup
Smash Master
there are some insanely moronic people in this thread.
it does not matter that wavedashing was a glitch, it was part of the game. that isnt even the basis of the argument in this thread you mentally challenged dip****s. everyone is refering mostly to L-cancel and dash dancing being removed. two things that sped up gameplay and made combos possible. this makes brawl even slower. brawl is still fun, it just never will have as much competitive value as melee.
it does not matter that wavedashing was a glitch, it was part of the game. that isnt even the basis of the argument in this thread you mentally challenged dip****s. everyone is refering mostly to L-cancel and dash dancing being removed. two things that sped up gameplay and made combos possible. this makes brawl even slower. brawl is still fun, it just never will have as much competitive value as melee.
LightLink17
Smash Apprentice
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Okay. By that logic, you shouldn't have ever made this post, as this is your opinion (the "you're crazy if you think..." part), and we probably don't care.
Fact is, we want our opinions heard. We may want to vent. etc etc.
And for the record, Brawl is so "good" in my eyes, I haven't bought it, and have no intention on buying it. And I myself and bursting to rant about all the disappointing things about it. But whatever.
Darkslash
Smash Master
The thing is Brawl is not Melee 2.0
If it were, why the **** would Sakurai bother making a whole new entire game?
If it were Melee 2.0 we would be playing on the game cube.
But it's on the Wii. meaning its a new ball game.
Give the goddam game a chance. Ifs ****ing fun as hell
can't stop playing
And if you say Brawl sucks
A)You do not have the ****ing game
B) you suck at it so bad you blame the game for you're ****ty skills
C)You can't handle new games you have been playing for over 2 years that you still play UT2004
D)You can't appreciate what Smash Bros is
If it were, why the **** would Sakurai bother making a whole new entire game?
If it were Melee 2.0 we would be playing on the game cube.
But it's on the Wii. meaning its a new ball game.
Give the goddam game a chance. Ifs ****ing fun as hell
can't stop playing And if you say Brawl sucks
A)You do not have the ****ing game
B) you suck at it so bad you blame the game for you're ****ty skills
C)You can't handle new games you have been playing for over 2 years that you still play UT2004
D)You can't appreciate what Smash Bros is
smash superstar
Smash Ace
get over it
its not melee 2.o
its new smash.
its not melee 2.o
its new smash.
LightLink17
Smash Apprentice
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That's probably the most annoying thing ever. We know Brawl is not "Melee 2.0" and you "reminding" people doesn't say anything about anything. The only time you need to say that is when saying so is actually I dunno...RELEVANT to what's actually going on. Saying it randomly just makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about.
pesticide
Smash Lord
ur account name says exactly what u think. and guess what?
NO ONE CARES
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