Let's come up with more first-party Smash characters that have so little combat source material that their movesets are forced to be made up!

[fogbadge]

True, but at least he solved the Fire-starter-has-to-end-up-a-Fighting-type issue. So give the actor in a fur suit some credit.

he didn't though. that was delphox in the previous gen

 

[Quillion]

Here is a comparison between "elegy of emptiness" and "missingno" and "missingno" wins in popularity by a landslide. This suggests to me that Missingno. has made a much larger impact. Though I am not familiar with the Elegy of Emptiness statue, so maybe I ought to have used another term.

Yep, you didn't use the right term.

I think fan culture is the best metric. It is fans who would care about these characters. The characters that are iconic are IMO the best characters to put into the games.

Measuring it is utterly prone to myopia and bias, not to mention the growing list of things that are too popularly demanded to ignore but still aren't in.

 

[Oracle Link]

...Okay he isnt first party but
Sans you would have to make up everything including why he even fights in the first place!

I guess octorok would count!
Although if you treat octorok like PirahnaPlant its going to be easy!

And elfilin would need to

Spoiler: Kirby and the forgotten land

Pull from his full self/ Other Half Fecto Forgo/Elfilis which would make sense considering the last bit of live that remained willingly joined with him!
I could see the same justification be used for him appearing as a dream friend

...Ninten
He has no battle moves so tbh he shouldnt get another cloned moveset considring he and ness look identical

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

Okay, a weirder concept that I don't have a full moveset for (and hopefully won't be as controversial as MissingNo... sorry about that!);

Who is this dashing fellow?, you may be wondering to yourself. Well, it's not exactly a character. It's the icon from Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics' President, and that's where I'd take his name from - either President, or Clubhouse President.

Generally speaking, he'd be a character on the smaller and lighter side, who I can imagine animating not dissimilarly to the Card Soldiers in Alice in Wonderland in terms of being able to walk around rather than just hopping - but most of his attacks would instead use all kinds of Clubhouse Games (get it?).

One that springs to mind is an up special where he rides on a chess piece - specifically, a white knight as seen on the icon for chess in Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics - in one of eight selectable directions. You could control the direction he moves in (which would work just like the knight in chess) but by default it's a rapid movement upward, then a slightly less distant one forward.

Obviously there's tons of other attacks you could go with, too - whether it be his jab using the boxing gloves from Toy Boxing, perhaps having a Toy Tank or a Slot Car for his dash attack, dropping a piano for his down air, or even sillier things like tipping dominoes or tossing a dice projectile that deals more damage based on what number it rolls. He'd be a ton of fun!

That aside, Clubhouse Games is by this point a multi-game series - and Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics is apparently the 29th best-selling game on the Switch (for context, that's more than games like Fire Emblem: Three Houses and Kirby Star Allies!) This'd be weird but cool. Idk. He's neat

 

[fogbadge]

Okay, a weirder concept that I don't have a full moveset for (and hopefully won't be as controversial as MissingNo... sorry about that!);

Who is this dashing fellow?, you may be wondering to yourself. Well, it's not exactly a character. It's the icon from Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics' President, and that's where I'd take his name from - either President, or Clubhouse President.

Generally speaking, he'd be a character on the smaller and lighter side, who I can imagine animating not dissimilarly to the Card Soldiers in Alice in Wonderland in terms of being able to walk around rather than just hopping - but most of his attacks would instead use all kinds of Clubhouse Games (get it?).

One that springs to mind is an up special where he rides on a chess piece - specifically, a white knight as seen on the icon for chess in Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics - in one of eight selectable directions. You could control the direction he moves in (which would work just like the knight in chess) but by default it's a rapid movement upward, then a slightly less distant one forward.

Obviously there's tons of other attacks you could go with, too - whether it be his jab using the boxing gloves from Toy Boxing, perhaps having a Toy Tank or a Slot Car for his dash attack, dropping a piano for his down air, or even sillier things like tipping dominoes or tossing a dice projectile that deals more damage based on what number it rolls. He'd be a ton of fun!

That aside, Clubhouse Games is by this point a multi-game series - and Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics is apparently the 29th best-selling game on the Switch (for context, that's more than games like Fire Emblem: Three Houses and Kirby Star Allies!) This'd be weird but cool. Idk. He's neat

a card with a moustache and a hat?! sign me up

 

[FazDude]

Here's some more elevator pitches:

• Foreman Spike: The movie gave him a spike (pun intended) of popularity, but he doesn't have much to work with when it comes to the games. I could see him borrowing most of his normals from Mario and King Dedede, with a more stage-control-orientated set of specials, such as building Steve-like walls with Neutral Special (albeit in a much more limited capacity) and throwing around timed dynamite for setups.
• MC Ballyhoo: Has even less inherent moves than Spike does, but I think he'd be a fun rep for the Mario Party series. Let him use items and candies from throughout the series, with some RNG built in to truly capture the luck factor of MP.
• Morshu: Ravio is probably the most sensible Zelda shopkeeper to join the fight from an objective standpoint, but Morshu would be funny too. In addition to lamp oil, rope, and bombs, let him wield some other items from the series.
• Aran Ryan: If we can't get the purple cheater man, might as well get the green one. His boxing glove flail would give him more reach than Little Mac, but he wouldn't have the same kind of power to him.
• Creeper, Pillager, or Enderman: I am perfectly content with Steve being the only Minecraft rep, but having a mob in would be really fun. Pillager has the most to work with out of this bunch, but Creeper and Enderman are a lot more iconic, with the latter's potential of being a lightweight grappler letting it stand out among the cast.
• Anyone from Pro Wrestling: Incineroar kinda fills the wrestling niche nowadays, but this cast could serve as suitable substitutes.
• Goku (Yūyūki): okay but imagine if they actually did this
• Space Invaders: Really weird putting such iconic gaming characters here, but out of the tons of Space Invaders games out there, only a small handful give us anything substantial for a Smash moveset. While said handful of games could fill out the specials, you'd have to get creative with normals. My suggestion would be controlling a horde of three Invaders, with one despawning once you reach certain damage thresholds. Less Invaders means less weight and power, but also more speed.

 

[Quillion]

KneeOfJustice99 : Damn, I was trying to think of a way to represent Clubhouse Games given how successful it's been by all accounts (didn't know it's outsold Three Houses and Star Allies though). But everything I could think of ended up way too "public domain" like this.

And then you manage to come up with something that feels uniquely "Nintendo" on top of the public domain elements.

 

[BowserKing]

Few ideas
Goomba: armless Biped that’s iconic
Rambi: Rhino mount that can ram into opponents
Magikarp: The Easy to catch fish
Wobbuffet: the counter attack Pokémon
Pyukumuku: Sea Cucumber with literally no attacking moves, but can still use toxic
Cosmog and Cosmoem: Most useless Pokémon ever, they literally have no attacking moves (outside struggle, but chances are, they will be defeated before using it) and you cant even make them learn them. Thankfully Sogaleo and Lunala have tons of cool moves to make up for it.
Creeper: Exploding enemy from Minecraft

That is all I got, but I found choices no one thought of yet

 

[1FC0]

Yep, you didn't use the right term.

By that logic, Mario is a much better character to represent creepypasta than Elegy of Emptiness statue is.

IMO featuring in a relatively obscure creepypasta like Ben Drowned does not make something an icon as much as being arguably the most famous glitch character in video game history does.

 

[Quillion]

By that logic, Mario is a much better character to represent creepypasta than Elegy of Emptiness statue is.

IMO featuring in a relatively obscure creepypasta like Ben Drowned does not make something an icon as much as being arguably the most famous glitch character in video game history does.

It seems you mixed up the line colors.
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As much as I rag on Beedle for how boring he is and how he replaced Tingle as the oddly specific "recurring goofy merchant whose end names in -le", I'll put him forth as a possibility due to how recurring he's been for over two decades in Zelda at this point.

I could at least imagine him sharing an attack with Captain Toad: a backpack spin.

 

[1FC0]

It seems you mixed up the line colors.

Indeed, looks like the story is famous.

Maybe the statue would be cool. He is kind of like Jigglypuff and Piranha Plant; not-famous characters from a famous franchise. Missingno. is more like Rosalina or a starter Pokémon I think; a somewhat famous character from a very famous franchise. But I like both.



Anyway, A good character came to mind. A character I would like to see is Dr. Mason from the Pokémon Gameboy TCG. His Final Smash could be summoning Sam to trap opponents in the horribly boring practice duel which players are forced into at the beginning of the game.

 

[Oddball]

Ayumi Tachibana from the Famicom Detective Club series has been one of my most wanteds for a while.

I'd also love to see the Eggplant Wizard.

 

[Quillion]

I keep thinking that this peep could be a great Smash character, but posting them kept escaping me. Well not anymore.

I present: Person.

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Yeah, even if Labo was a bold but short-lived experiment, something even better emerged from its ashes. And the fact that GBG is a simple (but surprisingly versatile) game maker means that making them playable will require real creativity.

 

[smashkirby]

No way! How have I missed this thread until now??? As someone who feels like Nintendo's own characters are getting a bit overshadowed to some extent in Smash Bros. these days, this thread is practically a godsend!

If no one minds, I'd like to share my list of 1st parties who don't have a lot in the way of typical fighting potential. Weirdly enough, I seem to have a lot...

Lark (or any Pilotwings character for that matter)
A Wave Race character (preferably Ryota Hayami)
A 1080° character (preferably Akari Hayami, Kensuke Kimachi, or Ricky Winterborn)
A Nintendo LABO character
Monita
A Rhythm Heaven character (preferably Yuka)
Dr. Lobe
Dr. Kawashima
Dr. Wright
Vince
Kyle Hyde
Ashley Mizuki Robbins
Raymond Bryce
Qbby
Eddy (Fluidity)
Nikki (I guess she's technically in via Miis, but still)
Tamagon
Barbara the Bat
Mallo
Prince Sable
Dillon
Mach Rider
F-Type
Kageshina Kurabe
Excitebiker
Balloon Fighter
Alice
Bubbles
Ayumi Tachibana
DeMille
Kururin
Chibi-Robo
Hakkun
The Marvelous trio (Dion, Max, and Jack)
Sheriff
Starfy
Muddy Mole
A sports character (the Volleyball Girl, the Ice Hockey team, or even the Sportsmates)
Ouendan and/or Elite Beat Agents (w/ their female counterparts)
Mr. Stevenson
Alexandra Roivas
Jasmine Callsign (from Jet Impulse)
Hiro and/or Satoru (from Card Hero)
Sato Amatsubo (from Project H.A.C.K.E.R.)
Goku and Chao
Donbe and Hikari
Lip
A Style Savvy character
A Hanafuda character
Mini-Kangaroo (w/ various Nintendo toys from back in the day)
Ando Kensaku
Arcade Bunny
Grace and Savannah (from Tokyo Crash Mobs)
Looksley
Spotto
A Cubivore character
Doshin/Jashin
Cupid
Aisya
Diskun
Parabo and Satebo

 

[Quillion]

Tetra from the "Wind Saga" of Zelda.

They just need to implement her with the caveat that Smash's interpretation goes its own direction from Hyrule Warriors. Just like how HW's interpretation of Sheik went its own way from Smash's.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I've always felt the little owl from 100 Classic Books would be a cool Smash pick, if anyone else had that cartridge. I don't think he should be slamming books on people or anything, just a simple bird feather moveset, Brawl Falco without the guns. Kururin or many Pokemon could fit this role well as well, but I like the owl because of the simplicity.

 

[Freduardo]

9-Volt.... and most of the wario ware cast.
Prince Florian - Mario Wonder
Prince Peasley - Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
Rusty - Rusty's Real Deal baseball
Badge Arcade Bunny

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

9-Volt.... and most of the wario ware cast.
Prince Florian - Mario Wonder
Prince Peasley - Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
Rusty - Rusty's Real Deal baseball
Badge Arcade Bunny

I've never really gravitated towards the idea of 9-Volt because I don't like compositing together retro games into a singular entity, I'd rather they stand on their own, or at least with similar games like Duck Hunt, even if they only have 6 minutes worth of content - however, I've said already how cool a musician moveset would be, and it just so happens Volt has two rapping friends. Though my "rapper" pick of choice will always remain the paper PS puppy.

That being said, 9-Volt as a Mr. Resetti-style Assist Trophy where he just lists off facts about each character's game like Otto the Boat talking about geysers would be adorable.

 

[smashkirby]

I've always felt the little owl from 100 Classic Books would be a cool Smash pick, if anyone else had that cartridge. I don't think he should be slamming books on people or anything, just a simple bird feather moveset, Brawl Falco without the guns. Kururin or many Pokemon could fit this role well as well, but I like the owl because of the simplicity.

Man, the Owl is definitely a choice! If I may ask, would it use elements from the books themselves to defend itself?

Funny you mention Kururin here, as I've seen some folks throw around the idea of having Kururin be something of a mech-based fighter, fighting from within his Helirin.

Personally, I've had the idea of him fighting similarly to that Wing Kirby, performing body slams, sliding along the ground, and soaring through the sky, tackling opponents.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

One character from the Mario universe I've been a bit interested in the prospect of seeing in Smash lately is the Trouble Bug from Donkey Kong. I think a sentient fireball is really easy to imagine fighting, right? Could be difficult to telegraph what is a hitbox and what isn't, but I'm sure you could figure something out. Perhaps you could have some kind of size-altering gimmick. At the very least, I'd love to see Trouble Bug playable in Mario sports games.

 

[Freduardo]

One character from the Mario universe I've been a bit interested in the prospect of seeing in Smash lately is the Trouble Bug from Donkey Kong. I think a sentient fireball is really easy to imagine fighting, right? Could be difficult to telegraph what is a hitbox and what isn't, but I'm sure you could figure something out. Perhaps you could have some kind of size-altering gimmick. At the very least, I'd love to see Trouble Bug playable in Mario sports games.

If we're talking size changing gimmicks...

I always wanted an NES Ice Hockey player that can change between Big, Medium, and Skinny... though I don't know if they would fit this thread because they definitely fight in that game.

 

[smashkirby]

If we're talking size changing gimmicks...

I always wanted an NES Ice Hockey player that can change between Big, Medium, and Skinny... though I don't know if they would fit this thread because they definitely fight in that game.

Ngl, I personally always saw the Ice Hockey trio working similar to the Ice Climbers, but with a trio...

Also, given that they don't traditionally fight (like Little Mac), I'd say the Ice Hockey trio are fair game here.

 

[ninjahmos]

I could probably think of one.

A DDR (Dance Dance Revolution) Character - Possibly Afro/Disco or Boldo.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I could probably think of one.

A DDR (Dance Dance Revolution) Character - Possibly Afro/Disco or Boldo.

OP said First Party (Nintendo), but genius pick.

 

[ninjahmos]

How about Mike Jones (StarTropics) and Mr. Stevenson (Gumshoe)?

 

[Oddball]

I would love to see Mike. He's in my top ten most wanted, but I'm not exactly sure he falls under the category of characters that don't have a lot of fighting source material. The guy's got a lot of weapons and items to rely on.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

How about Mike Jones (StarTropics) and Mr. Stevenson (Gumshoe)?

Stevenson should’ve just been part of Duck Hunt’s moveset, it was a weird ass exclusion

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

In the astronomically rare scenario that a second Drill Dozer rep is brought up in Smash discussion, people tend to go for Detective Carrie, which I do get mind you - she's a cool character, takes the sort of recurring "Robotnik's back with a different machine" boss role, and is arguably easier to imagine fighting in Smash than Jill herself - but I feel Gearmo would be way more interesting, "vehicle mechanic" might seem a bit silly as a prospect for a moveset on paper, but think for a second about a character who bashes people with spanners, lights up blowtorches, screwdrives, so on and it works really naturally.

Though, I will say that while I do like the idea of snubbing main characters for side characters, I don't think Gearmo would be the right character to do it with, and he should really only be in alongside Jill - less because he's obscure (if obscurity were an issue then DD rep as a whole would be an issue, and it being Jill would do nothing to remedy that whatsoever compared to any other character from the game) or because of some nonsensical argument of "Oh, we gotta complete the team!", and more that I think the overwhelming male-to-female ratio (alongside other diversity issues) of the Smash roster is one of the core arguments for protag snubs.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Glass Joe has been brought up in passing on this thread before, but listen out to me on this: his attacks are all half-hearted, unstatisfying, and wimpy, they have no buildup or devotion, and could be mistaken for taunts, his attack strength maxes out at 15 fully charged - so when you first play him you think "Oh, he's a boxer, but he's really weak! How unexpected!" - but THEN, you stop seeing him as a boxer, turn off the boxer play-style and turn on the speedy combo fiend playstyle, and start chaining all these pathetic attacks into ridiculously long and relentless NASB1/Smash 64-style combos, not unlike how Glass Joe himself seems to live a luxurious and happy life in Gay Paree outside of his ill-fated career. Would only really work in a Smash game designed around combos being accessible to a casual audience, but still.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I think Waluigi honestly falls into this category. Popular as he might be, he only hails from spin off games. Where characters gain abilities sometimes out of the blue without any good canon source to back it all up. So I think Waluigi deserves a mention here.

 

[Quillion]

I think Waluigi honestly falls into this category. Popular as he might be, he only hails from spin off games. Where characters gain abilities sometimes out of the blue without any good canon source to back it all up. So I think Waluigi deserves a mention here.

Not a bad idea actually.

Most people seem to think of Waluigi as needing to be "the spin-off guy", which does make sense considering his spin-off-exclusive appearances.

But by that token, Waluigi adapts more to the game than being consistent anyway. So making up Waluigi (near-)wholesale instead of being a spin-off amalgamation would work.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Waluigi is weird, because the moveset is extremely easy to imagine and requires virtually no creativity, but it also doesn't draw from his source material either? Like, just make a MultiVersus moveset for **** Dastardly or Wile E. Coyote, then replace the character's name with Waluigi. He's a kinda cliche and generic character, and that is a great strength, both for his general appeal and his Smash moveset.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Metal Mario maybe isn't a popular pick, but at least one in the Smash fandom conciousness - however, I think his partners-in-crime are very overlooked

Imagine a semi-clone Giant Donkey Kong moveset with more stomp and otherwise downwards attacks, that'd be cool, right? I've loved the idea of controlling more than 3/4 characters at once in a pile for a while, and I could imagine Yoshi Team maybe having Pikmin-like summon attacks that come in from the blast zone.

 

[FazDude]

Metal Mario maybe isn't a popular pick, but at least one in the Smash fandom conciousness - however, I think his partners-in-crime are very overlooked

Imagine a semi-clone Giant Donkey Kong moveset with more stomp and otherwise downwards attacks, that'd be cool, right? I've loved the idea of controlling more than 3/4 characters at once in a pile for a while, and I could imagine Yoshi Team maybe having Pikmin-like summon attacks that come in from the blast zone.

I wouldn't mind if Giant DK just reused his Smash 64 moveset. I think that set alone has enough differences to push him into semiclone territory.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I wouldn't mind if Giant DK just reused his Smash 64 moveset. I think that set alone has enough differences to push him into semiclone territory.

Make the dash attack equivalent to Rest and then we're talking.