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Learn how to earn your wings! A pit video critique thread :)

Esca

Esca

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Yeah I knew about it. Hobo is the 12th. If you can choose go to the Hobo on the 12th. I'll be there and I can teach you alot more. I remember what you look like.
 
Catt

Catt

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MysteriousSilver said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlQxnUYukkM

Final Match from a party/tournament we had. Me vs. my frustratingly perpetually superior roommate.

There are a few silly moments in this video, but it's the most recent recording I have of myself in a competitive environment.

ADVICE PLZ
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That was a pretty solid Sonic, they definitely have a good idea of what they are doing.
Being a Sonic Main and a Pit Secondary, I find the best way to defeat Sonic (or greatly hinder him), is to out-space him or make him approach you and punish him.
He is a tricky character to play if you don't have experience against him, and the player knows what they are doing.
 
Phaigne

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Finally got some replays recorded. These are me playing with one of my best friends, so take them with a grain of salt; we know each other's play-styles like the back of our own hands. Here they are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayvcMsIVVVY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-aUkBSnbGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCpodnvjYnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uEQI0HU3uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-wKJBmCSg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFuFLegbRTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m_fWubWErw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygyERKxgQSo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMDMyXBXfio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hwGCQdYUOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEuEvdXRyAU


Also, just for ****s and giggles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqwvl4veBdw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k-7jkW1SSo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJnN9BvgJBk

Tell me what you guys think.
 
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Afropony

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You both roll lots like, you fight eachother for a bit and then you bot kind of roll away from eachother and start again. It means aren't able to play as fluently as possible.
 
Katana_koden

Katana_koden

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Are you defensive at all? I can't much about your pit because its your play style I see more.

You side step and roll too much. You shouldn't ever really roll into your opponent to get closer or to the other side. It easily punishable when you use range to your advantage. ex: snake punches 1x. you roll. snake utilts.
I'm starting to predict your side step to a grab because you do it multiple times in a row.
There's no pressure really, just rushing. You don't seem to use any mind games, ex: sidestep to a grab or sidestep to a 1/2 charged f-smash to punish his sidestepping.

You seem to easily predict your opponent though. Nice gimps and use of mirror shield.
 
Ryos4

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Hmm well these have been up for a while with no critique. So i'll take a crack at em i guess.

Silver:
There arn't many real mistakes i can find in ur play style. But a few things are like...

Mostly what i think you might need to work on is how to deal with snakes explosives. I like your use of WoI for edge grenades. However i dont really suggest using a reflector to bounce grenades back. Especially AR which sometimes blows grenades up. Some snake players may use grenades just to distract you so you put up your reflector and then they approach you while your recovering from the lag. I like to either just let the grenade hit me or shield it and then throw it back or shoot an arrow to stop it mid flight.

You also took a beating from his C4. So i guess all i can say is try to keep a better eye on it. Especially on moving platforms.

As far as arrow spam. Its really up to you. Though i suggest not just standing in one spot and spamming. It tends to make you predictable when you spam and if you stay in one spot, it gives them the ability to plan since they know your just going to sit there. I personally dont like using arrows just for the sake of damage since they are rather weak. I like to use them during combos and what not to tack on a few extra percent, or defensively to prevent ground based chasing. Another use is to prevent them from using projectiles against you. However against snake his grenades come out so fast that it really doesnt make a difference since he plans to shield to drop them anyway for the most party.

A few things you could try:
-(Not saying that you do but) Dont spam any tactics throughout a match. Keep things mixed up.
-Wing Stalls to create a difference in pits movements .
-Glide shifting
-Use infinite jabs to punish spot dodging and comboing out of it. I like to use Fsmash for when they DI to you and stay close or AR when they DI away.
-Dont start spamming arrows if you are going to when they are at low%s. It kinda loses its point. I feel that low% is a great time to throw in combos since thats the only time they are going to happen. Also they will be less weary of your attacks at low percents and will approach more.
 
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'Kicks'

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Ryos4 said:
Mostly what i think you might need to work on is how to deal with snakes explosives. I like your use of WoI for edge grenades. However i dont really suggest using a reflector to bounce grenades back. Especially AR which sometimes blows grenades up. Some snake players may use grenades just to distract you so you put up your reflector and then they approach you while your recovering from the lag. I like to either just let the grenade hit me or shield it and then throw it back or shoot an arrow to stop it mid flight..
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watch out when picking grenades up as well because if snake pops another one out you will drop it. Make sure to remember that when snake pulls out a second grenade the first one will lose all momentum

I use wingdashing to counter his grenades. When thrown WD to stop it from hitting you. And then throw out a second WD to push the grenade away from you. If snake does not pull out his second grenade the grenade will fly back towards him. If the scond is out the WD will push it far enough away on the ground for it not to do any damage.

Another thing you can do is if it is not a cooked grenade you can WD to pick it up and then buffer a glidetoss to throw the grenade back at him and retreat at the same time. This way the grenade is far out of harm and might actually blow up on snake and you are at a position where you can start camping snake
 
Undrdog

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The old adage, "Don't get hit" is the only actual advice I can think of against the IC. Though in this case "Don't get grabbed" is more suitable. But really, there's not much you can do except practice against a very avid IC player to understand their mannerisms.

But onward to actually useful advice, you had it on the second stock. If the IC player is going to exclusively use his/her/their trump card, fight fire with fire with yours. Which in Pit's case is the ledge game. Though the IC still have the advantage you can keep out of their arm's reach and maybe get them off the edge if they fall into a punishable pattern.

Another thing to learn is Smash DI. Insanely hard to use in the proper situations, but when playing with Pit on the edge it can help a lot. Many of the meteors that you can get nailed by including the IC Fair can be Smash DIed into the stage wall and teched. Though this is very difficult to get down consistently. So much so that you'll rarely even see it in high level play.
 
Stryks

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**** that spark dude is scary, never seen a Japanese pit use arrow loop and so well, like how he uses the dair. Really good pit


Gonna post my vids, they're a lot, but I haven't been here since... forever so I guess that makes up for it

Heaven Stryk - Pit combo / compilation video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJRRDCC9huI&feature=related
vs Ray Kalm (Ganondorf): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAfljO0GWGY&feature=player_profilepage
vs IronYoshiWarrior (Marth): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgwlLiiRA0g&feature=related
vs King of Spam (Pit): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oV-oOFGcHk&feature=channel
vs Rawwr (Wolf): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9CqwMaVdl8&feature=channel
vs Balan (Fox): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMwt8ZniP0o&feature=channel
vs Iru (Ike): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyCtrVFYlLU&feature=channel
vs DAML (Pit): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-LC6H9WbEU
vs Admiral Pit (Take a guess): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGf-om_rex8
vs King of Spam (pit): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ziQ9hGNV0
vs Bstar (Marth) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8RNEll8RJY
vs AC (Snake): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk_GCn4HkWU
vs Yuriel/Lara (Snake): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRpNx8oR2FM
vs AC (Snake) 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixgy7_sIb6o
 
Admiral Pit

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vs Stryks (Ganon) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLByH6TqPPI&feature=related

vs Haven 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucNZOF7N1fQ
vs Haven 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uV72HWlRbA&feature=related
vs Haven 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4LEjKudmk4&feature=related
vs Haven 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQkWovjPxI&feature=related
vs Haven 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=329djStfSFE&feature=related

Not like these are important since they are over 10 months old.

And my 2 combo vids are already somewhere else...
 
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yeah IC's are not fun to deal with at all. But Undr had it right man. Don't get grabbed. And i know it sucks because one mistake can cost you a stock against an IC player but you just have to get used to it. Get used to their approaches and how they set things up and know when to stay away.

I like to work the ledge game if at all possible. Bait them over to you and then drop to the ledge and start trying to seperate them. But often times they won't get that close so work your jumps around them with some Dair's to try and get them airbourne where you can just beat them silly.

My usual strategy against them is to just camp it out. Weaken their shields a bit with arrows on their approach. When they get in close i work the jabs a lot. SHfair's into buffered Dtillts are also a good tool to use which I saw you doing.

Just remember to space everything out because we outreach them. Do not get shield grabbed ever and do not use Pit's laggy attacks. Make sure everything is quick and that you gain immediate control after your attack. Just be cautious and space perfectly and you should be ok
 
relaxedexcorcist

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If I post some vids here, would guy critique them? I'm only asking because they're wi-fi and wi-fi is just...wi-fi >.>
 
Ayoub

Ayoub

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Katana_koden said:
eww at that falco, but all in all you have great control with your pit.

Wifi pits seem to do alot better in control for some odd reason. Well I did alot better than I thought and learned from it.
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Uhm, I play in offline-tourneys and play wifi sometimes for fun. So it's not really a wifi pit. xP Thanks anyway. o:
 
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AnGrYM4N

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hey whats the name of some really high level pit players (if any) since most jsut play high tiers, when i had a wii i got the game day 1 and played for a whiel but was too into Sfighter to learn in serious. gonna be picking up a wii again and gonna be playign Pit and diddy kon, link,,, 3 fav chars other i like are donkey kong and i guess toon link.
oh btw this my first post lol since i made account back on Nov. 08
 
Ayoub

Ayoub

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AnGrYM4N said:
hey whats the name of some really high level pit players (if any) since most jsut play high tiers, when i had a wii i got the game day 1 and played for a whiel but was too into Sfighter to learn in serious. gonna be picking up a wii again and gonna be playign Pit and diddy kon, link,,, 3 fav chars other i like are donkey kong and i guess toon link.
oh btw this my first post lol since i made account back on Nov. 08
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Uhm, Admiral Pit is good, and has recent video's.
Kool-Aid is good, Vex is good to see how Pit camps.
Nikenick has good video's VS Snake on youtube, to see the matchup.
Ravyn, smashragde (the hidden legend), haven are good aswell.

I suck, but I posted a video on the page before this against Falco, you could chek it out too.
 
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