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Rizen

Rizen

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I figured out a few tricks with Link. Link's spotdodge is a good mix up to end jab cancels vs characters who can interrupt them with fast moves and it gives you a better chance to land a strong hit in their lag https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2togFKpAB94#t=186s. Spotdodge is a faster way (less vulnerability lag between intangible and next action) to start non-OoS attacks than shield drop lag. Similarly, airdodge>Nair can be a good gtfo spacing reset. Be sure to buffer them of course.
 
Rizen

Rizen

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^I keep thinking my screen's scratched because the line in your avatar.

Link has a slow everything jab sadly :(. Aside from the slow start it's good. Good range, damage, cancels and jab locks. You have to space it far enough and not think of jab as a good GTFO move. Link sucks when the enemy gets in his bubble :/
 
Rizen

Rizen

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^The 'scratch' goes up diagonally right from the center wolf to near the top right corner.

I find the site funny because the world won't end but they made it look so serious with Majora's Mask screened on the wood pattern.
 
Rizen

Rizen

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^Yeah but by that logic it could end at any point including thousands of years after I die.

I wanted to run this by for opinions. MU stuff:

I was looking at the current MU chart:
:link2:
-4: :falco:
-3: :dedede: :metaknight: :olimar: :sheik: :sheilda:
-2: :diddy: :dk2: :fox: :popo: :ike: :kirby2: :lucario: :luigi2: :marth: :peach: :pikachu2: :pit: :pt: :snake: :sonic: :toonlink: :wario: :wolf: :yoshi2: :zerosuitsamus:
-1: :gw: :lucas: :mario2: :ness2: :rob: :samus2:
0: :bowser2: :falcon: :jigglypuff:
1: :ganondorf: :zelda:

Here's the changes I would make:


:link2:
-4: :falco:
-3: :dedede: :metaknight: :olimar: :sheik: :sheilda: :dk2::kirby2:
-2: :diddy: :fox: :popo: :ike: :lucario: :luigi2: :marth: :peach: :pikachu2: :pit: :pt: :snake: :sonic: :toonlink: :wario: :wolf: :yoshi2: :zerosuitsamus: :gw:
-1: :lucas: :mario2: :ness2: :rob::jigglypuff: :samus2:
0: :bowser2: :falcon: :zelda: (:samus2:)
1: (:zelda:)
2: :ganondorf:

My logic is (top down):
-4 Falco can camp and not be touched with out a crazy good read. And other things.

-3s really shutdown Link hard. Kirby and DK do this IMO. Kirby spaces Link really well, has that annoying combo at early %s, gimps better than most characters, and has good options to land Bair/Fsmash/grab. DK shuts down Link's projectile game, spaces well with Bair and good mobility, is crazy powerful and fast. Stages don't give Link room to space DK. Both Kirby and DK are worse than the other -2s and I see them better as light -3s. ICs might barely make -3 but are probably a strong -2 because Link lacks the mobility to avoid them, gets CGed by solo IC and takes a lot of damage trying to manage not getting grabbed.

-2s have a solid advantage over Link. Several of these characters get a -2 and not -1 (or even) because they can CG (Yoshi, Pika), get Link offstage and gimp easily and/or get the lead and time Link out. Others simply outmatch Link. G&W is a -2 because he spaces Link safely, has powerful punishes and gimps.

-1s Slight advantage. I moved Jiggz up because her ability to air camp and time Link out. Samus could be a -1 or 0. Link has a better close combat game and the power to KO. Samus can gimp him though.

0s Even. If Link has room to space Zelda it's +1 but he often doesn't. Zelda could be 0 or +1 but I'd lean 0. Samus could be here; I don't see Samus as worse than CF.

-1 Maybe Zelda but I think she's closer to 0.

-2 Ganon. If it's not wifi Link has good tools to shut Ganon down. Even on wifi I'd give this MU -1 but that's not relevant. Link has a solid advantage if he plays smart. Bombs and Zair eat all Ganon's attacks and Link has better reach.

Thoughts?
 
Terywj [태리]

Terywj [태리]

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Because I completely understand every single word you mentioned in the matchups, I will exclaim that this is a beautifully crafted piece of work that others should diligently strive to achieve.
 
Bomber7

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I would not like them with a deer. Nor would I like them over here. Near or far, wherever they are, tiers are for queers.
 
Rizen

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^Not yet... I looked at my calendar and it only goes to December 31! In fact all 2012 calendars end at 12/31! The could really be *cue Science the Bear* the end of the world!

No Apex, 'can't get away etc :(
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The terrible fate site describes MM as the "beautiful and nightmarish world". I never thought of MM as nightmarish. TP with the twilight bugs and Lakebed intro cut scene was the creepiest for me. MM has some creepy parts (so did OoT) and a running spirit world theme (in the sense that the world was carried on a turtle's back in some myths- that kind of thing) but I didn't see it like a nightmare. Many people do apparently.
 
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