Laundry's All-Stars Pokemon Mafia -- Pokeballs to the Pokewalls!

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Naw that won't fly.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Nabe who are your scummates?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Btw you caught me I am the Lich, Evil Roleblocking Yakuza.

WL should let me get into a 3 man lylo like Circus didn't so I can recruit Raziek like i wanted to in that game.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

People are finding Zen's rolefishing to be suspicious? Man, it's exactly what zen would do. Not supporting his lynch.

Originally disliked Tekcat because of his cop-out response, but upon a reread, he's even worse. He manages to avoid everything around him, and seems to be trying not to be a presence.

Unvote, Vote: Tekcat

Dislike Raz for coming in, asking if zen ever learned, and popping back out.

 

[JTB]

>game just started
>200+ posts

Yeah ill get to this after my bday

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Zen, you know what I'm after. Did you want the claim, the lynch, or both?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe who are your scummates?

Kidding? I'm the traitor obvs

 

[T-block]

unvote

what the hell is going on

i kinda like the tekcat route, but at the same time, i kinda don't. i'll elaborate later.

dh, have you played with john before?

btw, i work 9-5 everyday, so i can read on my phone and pop onto a computer occasionally to post, but i obviously can't be doing that too much, so don't expect too much from me during the day.

 

[Dooms]

Oh, okay, Zen!

Here is my pokemon!

Spoiler

Metaknight

Will catch up when this evening.

Joey am I still cool going with Ranmaru?

I'm honestly not sure. I misunderstood him, but still have slight doubt.

Sorry for misunderstanding you, Ran!

@Zen: Asking you about what you thought his intent was with the RVS vote. That's not considered a question that is trying to progress out of RVS? What would you have expected him to ask instead if he were to be town?

@Ranmaru/Zen, okay, so I'm looking back at the quotes that were being debated within the whole "it didn't count" thing, quotes below:

Ran I did not have any more read on you there than I would be able to get at any other start of the game. It was odd, yes, hence why I would have voted you then and there as an opening vote. But no you weren't scum just from your first post. Do you really think I'm claiming scum? If not why are you still going on about it. That's what I mean about not trying to progress RVS. You're voting me for a pregame joke.

Also dont like how you try to play off your early mention of me by saying it didnt count cuz u didnt vote

I never said this at all haha.

and I have questions for both of you. I'm kinda lost lol.

@Ranmaru: What do you mean by "play off your early mention of me"?

In the line you bolded, I don't see how he's playing off anything. If you look at what he said repeatedly, it sounds like he was iffy about the vote post, which was why he mentioned it in the first place, but after re-reading several times, I still can't see what he's trying to play off.

Also, what didn't count? You aren't specific here. His vote? Pressure? I'm not following you here...

Please explain?

@Zen: Why exactly didn't you vote him for that? You said that you would, but it doesn't really say why you didn't :/. Maybe I missed that?

Other questions for Zen:

Why did Ran start to be town in your eyes?

Why TekcaT over him all of a sudden?

@RedRyu: Why did you choose Ryker and Gorf over the rest of the cast?

What do you have to gain by giving Ryker your vote?

Are you taking the game seriously at this point? Are you just being lazy? Or am I going to have to assume that you're going to be an idiot in this game by asking other people (who haven't been active posters in the slightest) to take over for you in both votes and catch up material?

I don't like the way you're approaching this Ryu. :/.

People are finding Zen's rolefishing to be suspicious? Man, it's exactly what zen would do. Not supporting his lynch.

Originally disliked Tekcat because of his cop-out response, but upon a reread, he's even worse. He manages to avoid everything around him, and seems to be trying not to be a presence.

Unvote, Vote: Tekcat

Dislike Raz for coming in, asking if zen ever learned, and popping back out.

Respond to my previous post please?

Xonar's as well.

About this post:

Why are you switching between TekcaT and Ranmaru? When you say "even worse", do you mean that he's even worse than Ranmaru or that he's even worse than what you imagined him to be in the first place?

What made your opinion change? Specific posts, please.

Not going to say anything about the Zen meta, since I'm not familiar with anyone's meta due to lack of playing. Not supporting his lynch based on meta alone though is still icky .

Vote: Dark Horse

Look at Raz's (grammar with a 'z'... how does it work? ;- post again. At the bottom, he says that he will be reading soon, implying that he hasn't actually read through the thread. You're disliking him for a general statement along with a point saying that he hasn't truly read the game through fully yet. Why do you consider this "popping back out"? Do you mean that he's popping out to read the thread fully, and you dislike this?

I don't understand you >_<'.

 

[Dooms]

winky face ruined my crying emote uguu ;_;.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Beware of Joey's metaknight Zen, my Donkey Kong cried when it got KO'd by it. Though that is nothing like the terror that is his Jigglypuff.

Also probs will be seriously later but not now, work and me maybe being out late tonight will hold me back from reading for the moment.

Ryker still gets my vote, since I wanna see where this goes.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Look at Raz's (grammar with a 'z'... how does it work? ;- post again. At the bottom, he says that he will be reading soon, implying that he hasn't actually read through the thread. You're disliking him for a general statement along with a point saying that he hasn't truly read the game through fully yet. Why do you consider this "popping back out"? Do you mean that he's popping out to read the thread fully, and you dislike this?

Ouch. Missed that.

Might as well wait for his read of the thread.

 

[Dooms]

Erm...

What do I do now, Xonar? I wasn't prepared for this Q_Q.

 

[TekcaT]

Yeah well that's what you get with the hydra having things like school, Dark Horse. I'm not on 24/7.

Ruy, why the evil Lucario image?

Ran is just an interesting player. Yes, he can be good at times, but he has had stupid moments that I enjoy poking fun at where he's screwed himself over. Looking at that Ran/Zen interaction earlier today was good info.

 

[Dooms]

Why are you avoiding to give a legit read on him?

Do you plan on playing this game anytime soon, or are you just going to sit back and throw comments around that don't mean anything all game?

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah well that's what you get with the hydra having things like school, Dark Horse. I'm not on 24/7.

Ruy, why the evil Lucario image?

Ran is just an interesting player. Yes, he can be good at times, but he has had stupid moments that I enjoy poking fun at where he's screwed himself over. Looking at that Ran/Zen interaction earlier today was good info.

How exactly was it good info to you, what did you get from it?

 

[TekcaT]

Joey you so funny. I'm playing as much as I can; I'm just not usually going to be here during normal highschool times mid-day. =P

As for Ran, here's my synopsis on that interaction from earlier today:

Zen tries to tell Ran that he got quicklynched; Ran does not claim (a decent idea for this early D1).
Zen's 163,

Ugh this is bull ****. I'm out for the rest of the day then. Going to be a boring day trying to get Ran lynched. So I'll just be prod dodging until the day ends. Ran is so obvscum you guys need to put your votes back on him and lynch him. Ran I'm not talking to your scum anymore.

This shows me that Zen is pretty much dead set on having Ran killed. At this early in the game. Which I do not like.
Also a mass claim at this point is just stupid, Zen. Think about it a bit.

Vote: RamenZen

 

[Ramen King]

Unvote; Vote: T-block

Man I'm about to pull a 180.

 

[Dooms]

Tell me what your read on Ran is and why. You have yet to done that when asked several times.

You're avoiding this and I literally have no idea why.

Is Zen and Ran a TvS thing?

Why did you say decent instead of good? Are you having doubts about Ran?

You're so neutral in all of your posts, and your reasoning for actually voting is **** when it comes to Zen's playstyle (according to people that have played with him and aren't voting him now).

 

[Ramen King]

A letter to Ranmaru (Note, I don't recommend anyone else reading this as it is extensive and will be a waste of your time. I just need to take individual time with Ran to walk him through his fallacies):

Spoiler

I will go through each of your points and show you why you're wrong. I expect you to unvote me afterwards and join my side.

1. "You claimed scum"
2. "Also dont like how you try to play off your early mention of me by saying it didnt count cuz u didnt vote"
3. "You're now going after people because you're being voted"

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1.

Of course zen. You claiming scum and saying you would vote me without any good reason gave me a scum read on you.

why do you think I voted you.

Tblock I wont flood the thread

LOL why would me saying I'm scum be a scum tell and not a null tell?

I'd say I was scum as town.
I'd say I was scum as scum.

Null tell.Yet you are assuming the latter.

I havent evet seen you say you were scum yet, look at it from my perspective.

Also dont like how you try to play off your early mention of me by saying it didnt count cuz u didnt vote

This is our back and forth on this, Ran. I want you to read carefully. Fully layout to me why me saying "my first time being scum" pregame be a scum tell? I had made note to say that before I even read the role PM from laundry. Tell me Ran, if I told you I was town would you believe me? No. So if I told you I was scum, why would that be different? They are both null tells. Not to mention the latter was simply a joke meant solely for reaction. Of course I am not truly claiming scum. People do stuff like this all the time. Well people as in Swiss. There has never been a time where you have taken Swiss claiming scum as a scum tell has there? The fact that you're claiming to have a read from that is silly. This aint skpe. You're being a fatard jamaba bisquit.

2. "Also dont like how you try to play off your early mention of me by saying it didnt count cuz u didn't vote"


This is incorrect. I never said this. You misinterpreted. Joey has pointed this out as well above in his big post. Here is how the convo went:

O ok. Why did you vote me?

You're not trying to progress RVS.

Yes I am. I asked you a question to get you involved in discussion

And dont tell me you had a legit read on me here in this quote. and its clear you r omgusing me.

Mfw I read my own post as zens (below)

Nah I meant Ran. It's a thing between us about how he starts the game as town. Honestly Ran is looking pretty obvscum right now. Like very scum.

Dooms can you really ryker? All jokes aside.

Ran I did not have any more read on you there than I would be able to get at any other start of the game. It was odd, yes, hence why I would have voted you then and there as an opening vote. But no you weren't scum just from your first post. Do you really think I'm claiming scum? If not why are you still going on about it. That's what I mean about not trying to progress RVS. You're voting me for a pregame joke.

You asked me why I voted you. I explained that you weren't trying to progress RVS. You said you didn't feel I had a legitimate read on you. And I agreed with you. There was no way I could have a for sure read on you at that point. I voted you based on what we HAD. It was like 20 posts into the game yet you were trying to make it like I was out to lynch you or something (which I wasn't at that point. That wasn't until later). I had no intention of lynching you. I voted you just as you voted. Did you have the intention of lynching me in your first post? Did Joey have the intention of lynching you with his first vote? No. It was an initial vote, but you were trying to make it seem like I needed all this reasoning for it. Which I did not need.

3. "You're now going after people because you're being voted"

No mass anything thank you. We already have enough to work with, why do you ask that now zen?

You say 'some others' yet you hadnt scumhunted on the others on my wagon. Why start now?

Im saying you are doing this because you are getting voted, so you are only starting to do this now to survive.

What do you mean why do I ask about the mass character claim now? When should I ask about it? What do you mean why start now? When should I start? I was only voted by Nabe haha. Oh and you. Neither of those meant anything to me. Clearly Nabe was just trying to get something going, he couldn't even keep his reasoning consistent.

This is the second time that you're assuming that my actions are scum actions without any real reasoning. You're assuming that I'm scum and making posts around that to fit your accusation. This is just so not good. Do you get this?

--
Other thing to respond to:

Look he got caught role fishing me and now chooses to ignore me?

Zen how can you seriously have a scumread on me via meta? How come you havent commented on anyone getting on my wagon without reason?

Why should I be the one to comment on them getting on your wagon? If I find something scummy I'll find something scummy lol. As for the meta thing, you're doing the same thing. You assumed that me saying I was scum is something I would do as scum. Complete meta that is just horrible.

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Alright now that that is through, I have questions for you Ran:

Ramen wat was my intent

What post were you referring to here about your intent?

My scumread stands. I also like dooms for him also driving rvs forward.

Imma sleep, nite nite.

What had Dooms done to drive RVS forward at the time of this post?

What? That was no mistake, I stand by my scumread on you.

What wasn't a mistake? You didn't answer me on this earlier.

 

[Ramen King]

A letter to Xonar

So it's elaboration you miss.

However, it is entirely assumable that there is a form of thought process before drawing these conclusions. Wouldn't it be profitable to deduct these reasons? If you do that, you can see what I see, and that way we can catch the person on these mistakes multiple times, because they are not entirely informed why it was a mistake, thus more likely to repeatedly make them, allowing us to catch people more easily. Agreed?


I will elaborate though, because it doesn't seem like this is working out. Thought it was worth a shot though. Not now, kinda busy atm.

No it would no be profitable to deduct the reasons. For me to assume that I know what your thought process would be basically giving you a pass on reasoning. It makes me and others have to assume the best in you as if you actually had legit reasoning. Plus your statements pretty much contradict the point.

>you can deduce it
>the people who they are talking about can't deduce it

This is not the case. If I can deduce it there is no reason to assume they can't deduce it. If they can't deduce it there's no reason to assume that I can deduce it.

So no, it's not a good way to play.

Scummy.
The thing I don't like about this is the discontinuation. You propose a town alliance to me, who is one of the best players in this game, but as soon as I refuse you stop bothering with it. This makes me question your motives. Were you out for me specifically? Why can't others join this alliance and have it serve the same purpose (catching scum, I'd assume)?

So you're saying the post isn't scummy, but the fact that I didn't ask anyone else? I wasn't interested in any others' response at the time, only yours. Furthermore, just asking anyone to join a town alliance is dumb and takes away the point. Yeah there was nothing scummy about that at all. You're weird.

Odd.
It's odd because of the bolded. You should know why he asks. You think about stuff, you're an analyst. I know that. What were you hoping to accomplish here?

Alright.

Anti-town tell. Indirect scum tell.
It's anti-town because if you start claiming things without them being true you're casting doubt over your own words. If you lie too often, I won't be able to easily read your posts. Can't take them at face value without questioning it. This makes life easier for scum.

Haha no lol. How dumb. There's a difference between lying and joking. That was clearly a joke. To think that someone saying that they were scum seriously is only for the domain of ******* and ranmaru.

Mhm?
Would you consider hypocrisy a scum tell, Zen? We've been over this before, iirc.

I was responding to Joey. He made mention that my I was being hypocritical. I was showing him there wasn't anything hypocritical about it.

 

[Ramen King]

A mini letter to Joey

@Zen: Asking you about what you thought his intent was with the RVS vote. That's not considered a question that is trying to progress out of RVS? What would you have expected him to ask instead if he were to be town?

Mmm not really no. Not how I usually see Ran go about things. Though I'm not quite sure that's the post he was referring to with his intent question. It looked like he asked me about the intent behind his "fluff" post because you said you couldn't see the intent behind it. That's how I interpreted it, but I'll see once Ran clarifies.

Why did Ran start to be town in your eyes?

#178-#180 with his barage of questions. It looked as if he was actually trying to look at my intent which is what I've been having a problem with him not doing. Wavering on his slot at the moment after looking over him again.

Why TekcaT over him all of a sudden?

Didn't like how he has been assuming Ran as dumb over scum. Or how he hasn't been doing anything relevant.

----

For everyone:

@Zen, you know what I'm after. Did you want the claim, the lynch, or both?

What are you getting after? I really don't know. I've already told you that I was trying to lynch him at the time. Do you feel this is strange from me? Do you have a scum read on me? Are you going to be doing this thing you do to me every game?


Questions that may seem irrelevant, but I'd like to know:


Ryu why did you confirm twice?
T-block in #60 you told Kantrip you should be friends. Were you talking about RL or in the game? You recently moved to his city or what?
DH why did you change your confirmation to confirmamundo?
Xonar what do you mean we talked about what before in your opening post? Or were you just joking?
Xonar why did you ask me what you should do in your second post? Why me specifically that is, and why did you not follow up on it?
Xonar you do not have a trainer? You said you are a pokemon, but the roles give a person's name and then their pokemon companion.

More Questions:

What do people think about an abductor being in the game?
Do you guys think the weather affects the day/night in some sort of way? As in pokemon abilities, etc.
Joey to clarify you did not find anything scummy about Ranmaru during RVS? Was your post to Xonar stating that he should drop him serious or not?
Ran when you asked me what your intent was, what were you referring to? Why did you ask me and why did you never follow up on it?
T-block why did you vote Ranmaru? Why did you unvote Ranmaru? T-block do you generally use meta as a large basis of your scumhunting? T-block how many games have you played in so far, how many town, how many scum? When was your last game?
Xonar why were you interested in Tec, specifically when he entered the game? You asked him about Dooms and Ran. You asked Joey and I questions when we entered as well. I'm curious as to why you chose specific people, while passing over Ran and T-Block.
Xonar #136. Did you plan to play this way before the game?

 

[Dooms]

Did I find anything scummy while I was in RVS or in Ranmaru's posts that were a part of RVS? Ranmaru's posts weren't becoming odd to me until after I dropped out for sleep and school. After I left, his posts became funky. When I was voting him, there was nothing he had done for me to consider him scummy. Therefore, the vote on him and my posts directed to him were jokes.

I was not serious when I told Xonar to drop Ranmaru.

 

[Ramen King]

If that's the case why did you give a serious reason as to why you wanted him to drop Ranmaru (shown in the bold)? You were showing legitimacy there. I kind of feel that after you realized it wasn't so good, you decided to play the whole ordeal off as RVS shenanigans.

Xonar, you should dump this kid.

Why would I do that, Dooms?

How can we form a town alliance when you've claimed scum, baby?

He said fluff.

That's bad iIrc.

Fluff is bad Xonar I thought you were good at this game D:.

Seriously though, extreme fluff distracts a person from gathering the true intent from your posts imo.

 

[T-block]

Ugh this is bull ****. I'm out for the rest of the day then. Going to be a boring day trying to get Ran lynched. So I'll just be prod dodging until the day ends. Ran is so obvscum you guys need to put your votes back on him and lynch him. Ran I'm not talking to your scum anymore.

okay zen. first things first -

we need to know how you can justify pushing a ran lynch so hard based on the little information you had, especially when it seems your opinion of him was so easily changed. was your only reasoning his behaviour in rvs? how would it benefit town for the lynch to have gone through, moving us into Day 2 with a third of the player list not having posted?

this is going to be a distraction to town until you can provide your reasoning.

 

[T-block]

It was a rhetorical question. I wasn't expecting an answer. I didn't like the way he was already pushing to vote me that early in the game, yet him trying to nudge it off by saying that he didn't vote, which meant it was obviously not a serious stance towards me.

ran, can you restate your stance on zen atm and give reasoning? ^this feels omgus-ish to me - i don't see you reacting that way if he did it to someone else.

what's bothering me is how hard you stuck to your stance of scumzen. it seemed... over the top i guess, and was based on crap reasoning. even now you're still bringing up his "claim". is he your top pick?

 

[T-block]

People are finding Zen's rolefishing to be suspicious? Man, it's exactly what zen would do. Not supporting his lynch.

clarify this statement please?

vote: Dark Horse

 

[T-block]

so zen, why is your vote on me again?

T-block in #60 you told Kantrip you should be friends. Were you talking about RL or in the game? You recently moved to his city or what?

both obvs. i like having friends IRL and ingame. i did just move to his city last week.

What do people think about an abductor being in the game?

i think it's baseless speculation, especially if it comes from the idea of capturing pokemon.

Do you guys think the weather affects the day/night in some sort of way? As in pokemon abilities, etc.

naw

T-block why did you vote Ranmaru? Why did you unvote Ranmaru? T-block do you generally use meta as a large basis of your scumhunting? T-block how many games have you played in so far, how many town, how many scum? When was your last game?

voted him for being unable to solidly back up his scumread on you that seemed pretty solid

unvoted because you caused a ****storm and i had really only skimmed at that point

meta is not a large basis of my scumhunting. i do use it more in early game though, and i never look to incriminate with it - only to reduce scum tells to null tells, or to examine others' reasonings.

i don't keep count, but i've probably played around 20 games... two indy, six mafia, rest town? rough numbers. last game was walgreens i guess x.x

 

[Ramen King]

Vote: Dark Horse

 

[Kantrip]

2/4 performances done and then I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!

I will come into this game with some content. Hold me to it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Vote Xonar

Ruy back me up unless it puts someone at L-1.

60% sure on Xonar scum.

Extremely confident in my ability to read Zen given time to read his posts.

Posting from an Orlando hotel. More when I have time.

Xonar, hard stances on Zen and FreeBlock.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote Xonar

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Nahbay I don't think you responded to my question.

@Ryker
Zen - Mixed bag but town lean
T-Block - Town

Will catch up later.

 

[Ramen King]

i think it's baseless speculation, especially if it comes from the idea of capturing pokemon.

I was going off PROFESSOR OAK going missing in the flavor.

What do people think about generation claiming? I think we can at least do that. Yeah let's do it.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

clarify this statement please?

vote: Dark Horse

I've seen him rolefish as town. Hell, he even did this exact same thing in royal sleepover

DH why did you change your confirmation to confirmamundo?

Didn't we go over this in celeb rehab? I always do it.

 

[Ramen King]

No you always say "confirmundo" but you changed it to "confirmamundo" lol

 

[Dooms]

If that's the case why did you give a serious reason as to why you wanted him to drop Ranmaru (shown in the bold)? You were showing legitimacy there. I kind of feel that after you realized it wasn't so good, you decided to play the whole ordeal off as RVS shenanigans.

He asked me why fluff was bad, not why Ranmaru's "fluff" was bad.

 

[Ramen King]

Nah he asked why Ranmaru saying fluff was bad:

Why is him saying fluff bad?

 

[Dooms]

Oh nvm, he asked me "why is him saying fluff bad?". Whoopsies.

The first part was a response to that. Second part was a reasoning for why I generally think fluff is bad.

What ranmaru did, though, wasn't fluffy. It was an RVS post.

 

[Ramen King]

So yeah the second part was serious. Don't you agree that you wouldn't have needed to give serious reason as to why fluff is bad if you didn't really find Ranmaru's post as fluff & bad?

Xonar I would like your take on this as well.