Laundry's All-Stars Pokemon Mafia -- Pokeballs to the Pokewalls!

[Kantrip]

No you don't, because only one of the heads even read them. John has not read my posts when I came into the game, so there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY he finds them odd.

You are lying.

 

[Kantrip]

T-block: Based on what TekcaT just said, do you agree that he's more likely scum with RR than DH?

 

[TekcaT]

Kantrip, you really need to take a breath. You are making yourself look desperate.

How do you know that your interactions with us earlier today were not with John, too?

 

[Kantrip]

Because John hasn't read the posts we were discussing.

I have taken a breath, and this post is being made quite calmly.

 

[T-block]

Kantrip. We have both agreed (heads) that your playstyle here is out of norm.

Freeblock, could I ask for your thoughts on Kanty's playstyle, since you've also been in a few games with him?

kantrip doesn't look that different from his usual play imo. as usual, i'm not the biggest fan of how he's playing, but i don't see the screaming scum that others are supposedly seeing.

T-block: Based on what TekcaT just said, do you agree that he's more likely scum with RR than DH?

._.

this post feels very desperate though

but i do sorta like this:

It's pretty obvious you guys had a premeditated plan to suspect me, seeing as Shotty had a TERRIBLE superficial reason and John hadn't even read my content.

can you point out where it's shown that john hadn't read your posts again?

whyyy do you guys need to be so confusing

 

[Kantrip]

I hate quoting on mobile, I'll lay it out for you tomorrow.

 

[Kantrip]

My question was worded kind of badly.

I'm trying to say I don't think TekcaT is scum with DH since they are putting DH as #1 scum and openly wanting the lynch to go in that direction. I feel they are more likely to be scum with RR because he is apparently still "leaning scum" for them. Yet when you asked about DH and RR they said they weren't seeing him as scum. This discrepency is point 2 for me.

Then the driving home meta is knowing that RR likes bussing and distancing so it would make sense for his scummates to be calling him scummy but for John/Shotty to obviously not want him actually lynched.

Basically I was just asking you if you saw the Takc/RR connection more likely than a Takc/DH connection, because I do.

 

[T-block]

then why not just say that instead of asking me? x.x

 

[Kantrip]

Wanted to see if you were seeing it on your own.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Kantrip. We have both agreed (heads) that your playstyle here is out of norm.

What do you mean here?

also, tekcat, what ever happened to your zen scumread?

Elaborate yo.

It really depends. When i'm in holes, it's funner being town, where self-preservation isn't needed. If no one suspects me, scum's funner. When I'm lynching scum, town's funner (I hate bussing). When I'm lynching town, Scum's funner (Obviously)

So yeah.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

JTB get off the wagon. Red Ruy you better not ****ing join it on basis that "Ryker has your vote". After my mislynch, town will have NOTHING to go off of, because half the wagon will have the "I was just sheeping Ryker, don't blame me" excuse.

It is so anti-town to sheep someone for the D1 wagon like that because it removes any information that could be gleaned from the lynch. Town needs to join lynches they actually believe in so they can be held accountable for their actions. Otherwise they'll end up being question marks who never took any actions of their own free will and either can't be held accountable or can be falsely accused (which means no matter their alignment it is bad) and will either get to coast or be a mislynch (scum/town respectively).

If I'm going to get lynched, I want each and every person on the wagon to have a justifiable place on it. But I'm not getting lynched.

You're nutty if you think that people won't be held accountable for their actions.

Stop freaking out and die.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

TekcaT is scum.

JTB is a dumb sheep who will see no consequences for the **** he's pulling and could be scum or town and we wouldn't be any the wiser.

Ryker, you have trouble reading crapshoots? I'll give you a tip, stop ENCOURAGING them to just sheep you and try forcing their own opinion out of them. You let them become crapshoots.

If you live through the day, I'm shooting you tonight. Your avatar offends me if nothing else.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yeah you're scum.

Call me out on OMGUS when I was on your slot in my first slew of posts?

Nope. Look at my posts, since I now know you haven't.

Tell me "I know you're better than this." Not sure what this is, AtE or something? I don't even know but it's scummy. Some sort of psychological thing.

Geez, defs OMGUS tho. Yep.

You made a big deal of demonstrating reasoning, not actively seeking the slot's lynch. This comes only after they came after you.

You also make a big deal about hating sheep, but your vote is on the ONE player who did anything to justify his read, also the weakest player on the wagon. Why don't you come loaded for bear and hunt me.

You're good and dead, but since we have another day that Xonar can participate in, let's play a little game.

Whoever has the least scummy role claim will live through the night. If one of you claims and the other refuses, that player will live.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I really just wanna call Zen town off what he did and how he has been playing, I hate it to hell which is a town tell to me.

Don't like Ran either, he went on a tangent over how Zen approached RvS and took him claiming scum as a scum tell because it is Zen when really anyone claiming a scum role should be taken as a null unless they intent to go through with it all the way and claim scum. Which they do not do without a reason I might add.

T-Block isn't starting as scum like in old games with him, town lean in a sense where I like , mostly needs a look closer at intent. Don't like his DH vote in his #227 since it seems premature, but at the same time idk how familiar T-Block is with Zen off hand, since what DH said is the truth in a sense from my past game experience. Still comfortable with him here, might get my vote later if I ever dislike intently where Ryker might put it.

Ryker though, like the Xonar suspicion. He can have my vote and control it.

Joey is approaching this game pretty well I'd say. Idk how to put it into words right now.

Xonar don't like how he approached me on my not giving content. Defiantly looks like Ryker mafia with what he did with Swiss, I'll reread it later.

Idk about anyone else.

I want him desperately investigated. Please. Considering the amount of content he's had up to this point, plus the utter BLANDNESS that this post provides, I am getting scum when I don't know if I should be. TBlock, you are my strongest town read so far. What do you think?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryker wants a Kantrip Wagon? As you command my master.

Vote Kantrip

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

hey guys we should talk about how bad this post is



first paragraph is ew. second paragraph is meh but feels unnecessarily detailed. third paragraph is really ew. fourth is ew. fifth isn't saying anything. sixth is ew.

what does the third paragraph even mean RR? what is your stance on me? town lean but you warn us you might put your vote on me later? my reasoning for voting DH was presented eventually, and was based entirely on posts before i voted for him. how was it premature? do you disagree with my dislike for him?

convince us in your own words to vote xonar

Idk, just doing whatever Ryker tells me to do.

If you think ew oh well, just giving my thoughts and such.

Your a town lean, but I'm cautious because I didn't like one of your votes at all. I do with what you presented but I probably will not be debating on why since it's not my concern atm.

Gorf is town btw.

 

[Dooms]

"Since it's not my concern atm."

What is your concern at the moment then, Ryu?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If I can keep up with this game, I make it a rule to not replace out but I made my old dumb mistake of too many games. I won't since there is a stipulation with this game, but I might cause stagnation if I stay, I don't like that I'm conflicted on this.

Plus I'm not really reading that much that seems scummy to me outside of what Xonar did earlier, I guess Kantrip too if I sheep Ryker's Reasoning.

Joey we should talk on skype btw.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Actually, never mind. This influx of posts by em are making me feel town.

@zen my main qualm was one particular post that I'll quote right now. That post will be the reason that I will dislike em, I'll find it right now.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

How the hell would I know? I dont see it as null. You usually claim your role nowadays and I would expect a gambit like this from scumzen, so scumtell.

Oh and this too.

I havent evet seen you say you were scum yet, look at it from my perspective.

Also dont like how you try to play off your early mention of me by saying it didnt count cuz u didnt vote

 

[Ramen King]

Vote: Kantrip

 

[Raziek]

I've skimmed to catch this wagon, and this **** looks stanky. Ruy blatantly sheeping Ryker is ****ing disgusting.

Doing hard re-read now that I actually have time.

 

[Raziek]

How the hell would I know? I dont see it as null. You usually claim your role nowadays and I would expect a gambit like this from scumzen, so scumtell.

I havent evet seen you say you were scum yet, look at it from my perspective.

Also dont like how you try to play off your early mention of me by saying it didnt count cuz u didnt vote

My scumread stands. I also like dooms for him also driving rvs forward.

Imma sleep, nite nite.

My god this exchange was disgusting from Ran's side. Dropping vote here while I continue my catch up. And yes, I'm posting as I go, **** all y'all.

vote: Ranmaru

 

[Raziek]

Zen's reaction to thinking Ran was hammered was what I would expect from Town Zen. While I dislike his choice of actions, being so blatantly aggressive doesn't read scum.

Ran, on the other hand.... didn't get any Town vibes from his reaction. Him maintaining his Zenscum read in that situation makes NO sense whatsoever to me. He doesn't consider the intent behind Zen's play.

I really liked Joey's 156, Town read on Joey.

 

[Raziek]

Ugh this is bull ****. I'm out for the rest of the day then. Going to be a boring day trying to get Ran lynched. So I'll just be prod dodging until the day ends. Ran is so obvscum you guys need to put your votes back on him and lynch him. Ran I'm not talking to your scum anymore.

This is not ok. You don't cop out of this game because you didn't get a quicklynch.

Look he got caught role fishing me and now chooses to ignore me?

Zen how can you seriously have a scumread on me via meta? How come you havent commented on anyone getting on my wagon without reason?

This post.... I don't think Ran can legitimately argue that the scumread was meta only, both Zen and other members of the Town called you out for your responses being scummy.

Second question is straight deflection.

Haven't laughed this hard since Ryker pumped votes on Axel in whatever game that was, haha.

Vote Zen

No backtracking now -- Ran push was looking for a claim, you said as much in 135. In that same post you also said he was L-3 i.e. you knew it was 8 votes, so I'm not sure what 161's about.

I don't understand this vote, Nabe. Why are you voting Zen when it wasn't he who placed the "lynching" vote, and when he infact said he wanted a claim and stuck to that.

 

[Raziek]

I would also suspect rr/tkat for avoiding my wagon/being wishy washy

What? This doesn't even make sense. Neither posted during the climactic phase of your wagon, this accusation is bleck.

 

[Kantrip]

Don't like John's entrance into the game. This post especially: He ignores Xonar's questions for him in order to ask Xonar a similar question about someone else.

Don't think it's SvS, as I'd expect Xonar's question to get answered rather than ignored if that were the case, but I could see TekcaT scum based on this alone.

This is before I had even interacted with the TekcaT slot. I had qualms with them and even FoS'd them in my next post. With my vote being on Red Ruy, it should be implied that they are my second scum pick to RR when I FoS them:

Actually one more thing.



Take some time with this one, I want a good answer. Why is playing differently a scum tell? I can tell that's all you're looking at. It's really superficial, and I hate it.

FoS: TeckaT

This FoS also happens during a conversation with Shotty where Shotty calls me scum for my play being "different to others he had skimmed of me and John". Not only is this really not true, but there's also no way this is a legitimate reason.

@Shotty: Tell me what my play was like in the games you skimmed. Which games did you skim? Why was my play here different?

Good lord Kanty, calm down a bit. You only have two votes. o.o

FoS: Kanty

No reason why you should be exploding like that this early on, especially with only 2/8 votes.

Then John comes in and FoS's me because I'm "exploding at nothing". Nothing about John's FoS refers to my play being "different from the norm". In fact, exploding at poorly-substantiated votes is very normal for my town play.

At this point, I've seen both heads call me scum as soon as they see me post. They call me scum for different reasons that are both terrible. As I've pointed out, they were my second scumpick before the interactions even started.

I reiterated that they are scum:

TekcaT is scum.

JTB is a dumb sheep who will see no consequences for the **** he's pulling and could be scum or town and we wouldn't be any the wiser.

Ryker, you have trouble reading crapshoots? I'll give you a tip, stop ENCOURAGING them to just sheep you and try forcing their own opinion out of them. You let them become crapshoots.

Seriously John's last post is gross, especially knowing our play history. He's seen me freak out at pressure like this so many times and yet suddenly it's the sole basis for his suspicion on me? I KNOW John should be seeing this as a null tell at worst, and there is just no way he's looking at things objectively (from a town pov).

Vote: TekcaT

Then I voted them, swapping theirs and Red Ruy's places on my scum list. At this point, I'm pretty sure they had a premeditated plan to vote me. Probably John's idea: "Hey let's gang up on Kanty since he reacts badly to pressure." Something like that. That's WIFOM though, and not important right now. It's just what my thought process was.

Gosh Kanty, that sure sounds like a whole lot of OMGUS.


I can uderstand where you are coming from (slightly), but honestly I have never seen you freak out that badly in other games I have played with you when Ryker threatens a vig and you have two votes. Two. Votes.

I mean come on, Kanty. I know you're better than this.

He calls me out on OMGUS. It's HERE that I start to suspect John hasn't read my content. He would have seen me FoS his slot earlier, but he calls it OMGUS now because he's only seen me say "TekcaT is scum", which happened after he FoS'd me. I had my FoS on his slot first, though, and he would have seen that if he had read my catchup posts. But wait, there's more!

The whole "you're better than this" is really scummy, too. John has done it before as scum as a sort of AtE. Meta, also not important right now. Again, it was part of my thought process.

Yeah you're scum.

Call me out on OMGUS when I was on your slot in my first slew of posts?

Nope. Look at my posts, since I now know you haven't.

Tell me "I know you're better than this." Not sure what this is, AtE or something? I don't even know but it's scummy. Some sort of psychological thing.

Geez, defs OMGUS tho. Yep.

I still can't believe you're calling me out on OMGUS.

What did you think of my catchup posts? Answer in 2 minutes or less or I know you faked your FoS on me. I want reasoning too.

Since I suspected he hadn't read my catchup posts, I asked him to tell me what he thought of them in 2 minutes or less. He responded in time, sure, but he wasn't even looking at the right posts.

All I am seeing in your catchup posts is a ton of rage on how you shouldn't be getting killed/lynched D1, how it isn't fair, blah etc.

You're stupid. My catchup posts were before ANY pressure on me whatsoever.

Sorry not stupid, that was mean.

You are scum, though. It's clear you haven't read any of my content except the stuff with caps and censors.

-quote snip-

That's a quick skim of your posts and why I hate them. In the flavor of Bold.

He doesn't correct me, and he doesn't fix his mistake and refer to the proper posts. Instead, he elaborates on the posts from after there was pressure on me. If this doesn't prove that he neglected to even LOOK at my catchup posts, what does it mean?

Maybe he missed them, and didn't know they even existed? Possible. But then he's still scum, and I'll explain why.

Those aren't my catchup posts. Try again.

Kantrip has rage goggles on. I'll talk to you when you take them off, sir.

Deflection. I tell him he was looking at the wrong posts, quite calmly as you see here, and he does this. He's trying to end the conversation since he has been called out in a lie.

T-block are you reading this ****? i've had an interaction with both heads and hate both. What is the possible town motive?

Freeblock's been here for a little while, I've seen him below..

Kantrip, where do you think you have interacted "with both heads" that has lead you to hate them? Could you find one post each from both John and Shotty?

Again he tries to change the subject by asking useless **** about "when I interacted with both heads". He has completely moved away from the topic at hand, and for what? What's the town motive for asking this question. He knows DAMN WELL that I HAVE interacted with both heads of the hydra, so WHY does he need me to prove it?

If anyone can tell me this I'll back off, but there is NO REASON TOWN WOULD DO THIS.

I was talking to Shotty earlier. Assumed it was John but he clarified. He FoS'd me because I was "playing differently than the games he skimmed when I played with John."

I started talking to John just now and he FoS'd me for "exploding from just a bit of pressure."

Kantrip. We have both agreed (heads) that your playstyle here is out of norm.

Freeblock, could I ask for your thoughts on Kanty's playstyle, since you've also been in a few games with him?

Here we go. He says that both heads agree my playstyle is out of the norm. The part that Shotty said was out of the norm was my catchup posts. The part that John never read, never referred to, and never even knew existed are my catchup posts. He makes YET ANOTHER effort to change the subject by calling for T-block's help (T-block is not scum with TekcaT from this) and asking T-block's opinion on my play.

T-block says it's pretty similar to how I always play, but he still doesn't like it. I can respect that. I can't respect the flat-out lies I got from BOTH HEADS of the TekcaT hydra.

TL;DR Summary of Events

-I post a series of catchup posts coming into the game. Among them I dislike TekcaT.
-Shotty calls me a slight scum lean because my play is "different than it has been in other games he's skimmed of me and John."
-I ask him to tell me how playing "differently" is a scum tell, because he doesn't even say my PLAY is scummy, as he is not looking at anything but the fact that it's "different." I FoS them because of this.
-I start getting hyper defensive over Ryker and a herd of his sheep wishing death upon me.
-John FoS's me for getting defensive.
-I vote TekcaT because John's FoS added to the hatred I had for that slot already.
-John calls it OMGUS, so I get the feeling he hadn't actually read my content since I had already FoS'd his slot.
-I ask John to comment on the catchup posts that I still think he never read.
-He referred to the posts where I was getting defensive.
-I called him out on those not even being the right posts and told him I thought he was lying and had never read my content.
-He attempts to change the subject/end the conversation/use AtE (he's done this before as scum).
-He later says both heads have found my play off, yet only one of the heads even read the "play" that they found to be strange.

I don't want to replace out, but I'm definitely not fit to be playing mafia. I'm freaking out over the littlest things and it's overall just not fun for me right now. What I hate is how Ryker can get a lynch off on me without ever lifting a finger, and how I have to do so much ****ing work just to convince anyone of anything. I really didn't enjoy making this post, so when it's ****ty, I'm sorry.

 

[Raziek]

Nabe so armchair.

Liking Zen's continued play. Still like Joey. Town lean on Freeblock. Ruy needs to die. Ran can die. TekCat can die.

> Begin Page 7

 

[Raziek]

Kantrip, I'm not going to support your lynch, JFYI. Don't intend to let Ryker bully the thread with no effort.

 

[Kantrip]

town
Dooms
T-block

leaning town
Xonar
Zen

null
Raziek
Ryker
JTB
Everyone else

don't like very much
Ran

want dead ASAP
Red Ruy
TekcaT

 

[Raziek]

I really just wanna call Zen town off what he did and how he has been playing, I hate it to hell which is a town tell to me.

Don't like Ran either, he went on a tangent over how Zen approached RvS and took him claiming scum as a scum tell because it is Zen when really anyone claiming a scum role should be taken as a null unless they intent to go through with it all the way and claim scum. Which they do not do without a reason I might add.

T-Block isn't starting as scum like in old games with him, town lean in a sense where I like , mostly needs a look closer at intent. Don't like his DH vote in his #227 since it seems premature, but at the same time idk how familiar T-Block is with Zen off hand, since what DH said is the truth in a sense from my past game experience. Still comfortable with him here, might get my vote later if I ever dislike intently where Ryker might put it.

Ryker though, like the Xonar suspicion. He can have my vote and control it.

Joey is approaching this game pretty well I'd say. Idk how to put it into words right now.

Xonar don't like how he approached me on my not giving content. Defiantly looks like Ryker mafia with what he did with Swiss, I'll reread it later.

Idk about anyone else.

I like this post better than Ruy's other ****, but letting Ryker control your vote is bull**** and you will stop that.

Lot of wishy-washy half-stances though.

 

[Kantrip]

So yeah, I'll support any of the wagons below null on my reads. I'd lynch JTB and other inactives to avoid a NL, and I'd advocate the copping of Ryker.

Taking a break for now.

 

[TekcaT]

Kantrip so mad. So so mad.
I'll tell you right now Kanty that Shotty hasn't posted once in this thread yet. I was tring to feign an opposite side to see how you would react. It's netted me some interesting info from you.

 

[Kantrip]

Not that mad. More just having very little fun. I'm actually pretty mellow right now as far as this game goes.

How about instead of telling me I'm mad you show all the flaws that arised in my post as a result? Also if you were just "faking" being Shotty then that makes this a lot worse. Like when you called me out on OMGUS, knowing I was already FoSing you? Yeah, okay.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Vote: Ranmaru

Ayy guys let's do this! Lynching scum sounds like a good plan.

 

[Raziek]

Kantrip, your reaction was so damn over the top, but that's not a scumtell for you.

Ruy, Ran or TekCat needs to die, people need to stop ****ing sheeping Ryker for no reason. Looking at you, Ruy and JTB.

Gorf voted Ran, so I'll keep my vote on Ran for the wagon.

 

[Kantrip]

Gorf is me vs Tek SvT or could it possibly be TvT? If you've honestly skimmed it I won't be mad and you can say that too.

You're right Raziek. It was even worse here because of what happened in a game that doesn't and will never exist. It was also because Ryker had RR's vote already and JTB sheeped him in addition. It was really too much to handle that that kind of **** flies.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ruy

But why's he scummy? I mean, if he keeps this up take em out, but his posts where he's done **** have actually been good.

@Kantrip I still read leaning scum on you, and from your exchange with Teckat my opinion of you is no less or more, but my opinion of Teckat is moreso townie tbh.

 

[Kantrip]

Nothing about the interaction though? Just your individual reads on us? So just to get this straight: You are leaning scum on me but the interaction with Tek was null? Did my content make you lean scum on me, or my reaction to pressure? Why did the interaction make you like Tak more?

 

[Raziek]

But why's he scummy? I mean, if he keeps this up take em out, but his posts where he's done **** have actually been good.

@Kantrip I still read leaning scum on you, and from your exchange with Teckat my opinion of you is no less or more, but my opinion of Teckat is moreso townie tbh.

He's only had one post where he's actually DONE that though, and even that was iffy, so I'll respectfully disagree and keep him in my lynch pile.