Kowns Thread.

[Phaigne]

Against Olimar, ALWAYS pick Frigate. Force him on the right side, or go Japes and throw him in the water.

Yeah, I agree with this. Frigate ***** Olimar and if you play it right, so does Japes.

I don't think Rainbow Cruise is a great stage choice against Olimar. He can kill you ridiculously early at the top portion while we have few vertical killing options.

 

[Esca]

Yeah I wouldn't take him to RC.

 

[Coffee™]

Yeah, I agree with this. Frigate ***** Olimar and if you play it right, so does Japes.

I don't think Rainbow Cruise is a great stage choice against Olimar. He can kill you ridiculously early at the top portion while we have few vertical killing options.

Olimar should honestly never hit you with Usmash on this stage if you play it correctly. Most of your kills here will probably come from gimps and Uair.

 

[Phaigne]

Olimar should honestly never hit you with Usmash on this stage if you play it correctly. Most of your kills here will probably come from gimps and Uair.

I agree with this, but I will say one thing: U-throw

Very effective killing medium compared to our sub-par ones. Get grabbed with a purple and say goodbye.

Also, I'm not saying RC is a bad stage choice against Olimar, but Frigate amd Japes are probably better. I mean, just stepping off the stage at Frigate is tempting death as Olimar.

 

[Coffee™]

Japes is the best place to take Olimar but most reigons don't allow that stage. Idk about Frigate. I think its easier to take advantage on Olimar's weaknesses on RC than it is on Frigate.

 

[Phaigne]

Well the great thing about Frigate is on the one side his tether is completely useless. RC isn't bad, but I feel Frigate is just generally a great place to take anyone with a tether recovery.

 

[cp2]

When frigate is on it's one-edge form, yes, its good against olimar, but the other, i think it isn,t; he puts in the centre, with a platform protecting him from attacks above him and ****** everyone who tries to aproach in other ways; and the sides platforms can save him quite easily...

I think I would take olimar to delfino better than frigate, he hates water, and in the main platform you can aproach and camp under it... also because here, cruise and japes aren't allowed as counterpicks

 

[Afropony]

As of next year my tournament stage list is going to be:

Starter
Final Destination
Battlefield
Smashville

Counterpicks
Halberd
Yoshi's Island
Lylat

How boring.

 

[aish]

Sounds like japan rules!

 

[Admiral Pit]

Well, considering how YI is now a forced CP, it wont be the first stage, but it will be annoying, though stage-wise, as long as u get rid of YI, Pit should have more stage advantages, though the selection is so boring T_T

 

[stingers]

lol I found a pit combo today

Dair -> footstool -> up b -> fair (or weak bair) -> whatever u want

it actually works XD does like 45% (starting at 0 is the only time this will work basically) if you use fsmash

 

[Katana_koden]

your the 2nd meta to say that. we know btw.

 

[Esca]

Stingers no.

 

[Afropony]

^what?

I always confuse myself when I try to do footstool>WoI combos...

 

[Esca]

Oh i made the texas pr

worst char on it. LOL

 

[Damien = God]

Okay. So I just found out about a tournament in my area. Going, for sure. It is 10 days away. I'm going to intense train with one of two characters, Pit or Marth. Pit is my main now. I'm amazing with him, and on top of that, he is great fun to use. But I've been trying to get better with Marth and am getting there. He seems, overall a better character.

Kind of in a dilemma. No biggy. I just don't want to mess up my chances at this.

 

[Esca]

Damien, you got a vid?

 

[Damien = God]

Nope. No sort of recording. If I put a week straight of practice, I'm almost positive I can be amazing.

It's this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n2SFZBO8uI&feature=related

or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btzOmJJ8GZI

So tough.

 

[Coffee™]

Lust do you mean that random miami tournament on Friday?

 

[Saki-]

Damien=Lust?
Texas PR is anti meta, I'd love that xD

 

[Esca]

WTF? Texas PR is full of Meta.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Giving a shoutout to tell the angels that I am still alive. I forgot to mention that Vex, the Best Bowser in the world, from PA (like where Rogue is), now mains Pit, for those who didn't know.

 

[MysteriousSilver]

What is it about ex-Bowsers that attracts them to Pit, exactly?

 

[Saki-]

WTF? Texas PR is full of Meta.

Not in Xyro's world <3 Anti meta

Giving a shoutout to tell the angels that I am still alive. I forgot to mention that Vex, the Best Bowser in the world, from PA (like where Rogue is), now mains Pit, for those who didn't know.

Oh sounds neat, but why leave the title for best bowser to main pit?

What is it about ex-Bowsers that attracts them to Pit, exactly?

What is it about Ex-Pit's that attracts them to Marth?

 

[Esca]

Not in Xyro's world <3 Anti meta

No. Lol. He isn't completely.


And Vex isn't maining Pit. He's just picking him up and Koolaid + Me are teaching him.

 

[Furbs]

Kown doesn't play smash anymore

this should be escas thread

 

[Admiral Pit]

Stop lying, he said he mains Pit and seconds Bowser. I pretty much hate projectile spammers, so... yea, and I aint picking that Tiara-wearing character to replace Pit, for I am standing true to Pit, with no top tiers. That's the problem with many ppl, they switch from lower tier to higher tier, and some that drop high tiers still use another high tier, where those chances are rare to see.

 

[Phaigne]

Stop lying, he said he mains Pit and seconds Bowser. I pretty much hate projectile spammers, so... yea, and I aint picking that Tiara-wearing character to replace Pit, for I am standing true to Pit, with no top tiers. That's the problem with many ppl, they switch from lower tier to higher tier, and some that drop high tiers still use another high tier, where those chances are rare to see.

Why do you care so much if someone switches mains? Personally, I think it makes us remaining Pit's look even more ******.

Edit: 400th post

 

[Admiral Pit]

I hate seeing ppl resort to the top tiers, not just from Pit players only. I still remember how Pure Deva from WA was, sticking with Link for quite a while. We need more ppl who stay true to their chars, no matter how bad they are. Too many ppl are going to Snake or MK which really is annoying at times. It makes me think the game isn't having much variety with like 8 characters seen around often.

 

[Saki-]

I mean I'm only going Marth because he's from a game I actually enjoyed. XD Pit was there because I was good with him for a while, but when I just got tired of the matchup problems I slowly started using Marth more.
Who knows, maybe after I become a good player I'll go back to Pit. <.< winning with a Pit is alot rarer than a high tier. Unless you're in Japan. lol

 

[Phaigne]

I hate seeing ppl resort to the top tiers, not just from Pit players only. I still remember how Pure Deva from WA was, sticking with Link for quite a while. We need more ppl who stay true to their chars, no matter how bad they are. Too many ppl are going to Snake or MK which really is annoying at times. It makes me think the game isn't having much variety with like 8 characters seen around often.

I guess I understand that to some extent. I just really don't give a **** what other people do, personally.

 

[MysteriousSilver]

I just wish we had an awesome community like WEEGEE's or SAWNIK's. We need people for that.

For God's sake I don't think our matchups have ever been finished.

 

[Coffee™]

For God's sake I don't think our matchups have ever been finished.

Meta Knight: 40:60
Snake: 40:60
Wario: 50:50
Falco: 50:50
Diddy Kong: 60:40
King Dedede 55:45

Marth: 50:50
Mr. Game & Watch: 60:40
Pikachu: 60:40
Olimar: 45:55
Ice Climbers: 50:50
R.O.B.: 50:50
Kirby: 55:45

Lucario: 50:50
Zero Suit Samus: 60:40
Toon Link: 50:50
Pit - duh
Donkey Kong: 65:35

Peach: 60:40
Luigi: 60: 40
Fox: 55:45
Wolf: 60:40
Sonic: 55:45
Sheik: 60:40

Bowser: 60:40
Zelda: 60:40
Pokémon Trainer: 60:40
Ike: 65:35

Lucas: 60:40
Mario: 60:40
Ness: 60:40
Yoshi: 60:40
Samus: 60:40

Jigglypuff: 60:40
Captain Falcon: 65:35
Link: 65:35
Ganondorf: 70:30


done...

 

[Afropony]

imo ganon is like 85-15.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Most of those matchup ratios are biased, first clues was when I saw Wario being even, and G&W being Pit's advantage. Truly biased ones say they have an advantage over G&W as Pit. The only ones u got right were MK, Falcon, and Link. Or wait.....

You best be backing up your opinion with some long, detailed, and in-depth information and maybe some vids of every matchup if we are to be convinced.

 

[Coffee™]

Most of those matchup ratios are biased, first clues was when I saw Wario being even, and G&W being Pit's advantage. Truly biased ones say they have an advantage over G&W as Pit. The only ones u got right were MK, Falcon, and Link. Or wait.....

You best be backing up your opinion with some long, detailed, and in-depth information and maybe some vids of every matchup if we are to be convinced.

Meh, most of the stuff you say about matchups is wrong anyway. You also think Pit loses or goes even with just about every character in the game so whatever. I'm not gonna sit here and write an essay about every matchup I posted.

Some of these matchups would be worse if you decided to be retardly homo every match. Bowser would be like 85:15 if every game you decided to CG him at the beginning of the stock and ledgecamp for the rest of the game.

 

[Katana_koden]

I know how you feel admiral, on the pit mainers leaving for higher tier.
I almost left but for peach. I just need a set up for pit that has enough hit stun at high damage for him to follow up rather than arrows. Or a quick kill set up ex: lazar stun to upsmash from falco.
Any ideas? before I start looping full charged arrows as a last hope >_>

 

[Phaigne]

This is how the match ups averaged from everybody's opinion in one of R@vyn's threads.

I actually have the numbers somewhere if anyone was interested. Though, you still have to take this list with a grain of salt; not everyone's opinion is well thought out.

Meta Knight - Disadvantage
Snake - Advantage
Wario - Disadvantage
Falco - Slight Disadvantage
Diddy Kong - Slight Advantage
King Dedede - Slight Advantage
Marth - Disadvantage
Pikachu - Even
G&W - Disadvantage
Olimar - Disadvantage
Ice Climbers - Slight Advantage
R.O.B. - Slight Advantage
Kirby - Even
Lucario - Even
Zero Suit Samus - Advantage
Toon Link - Even
Donkey Kong - Advantage
Peach - Even
Luigi - Slight Advantage
Fox - Advantage
Wolf - Advantage
Sonic - Slight Advantage
Sheik - Slight Advantage
Bowser - Advantage
Zelda - Advantage
Pokémon Trainer - Advantage
Ike - Advantage
Lucas - Moderate Advantage
Mario - Slight Advantage
Ness - Advantage
Yoshi - Advantage
Samus - Advantage
Jigglypuff - Advantage
Captain Falcon - Advantage (Bahaha, everyone put advantage for Falcon)
Link - Advantage
Ganondorf - Advantage (Same as Falcon, poor Ganon)

 

[Admiral Pit]

Meh, most of the stuff you say about matchups is wrong anyway. You also think Pit loses or goes even with just about every character in the game so whatever. I'm not gonna sit here and write an essay about every matchup I posted.

Some of these matchups would be worse if you decided to be retardly homo every match. Bowser would be like 85:15 if every game you decided to CG him at the beginning of the stock and ledgecamp for the rest of the game.

My stuff wrong... pft, like you could do better, and the difference is that I ACTUALLY put up some info stating some of my points, and even if some of it is wrong, at least I still am providing some form of info, where are you are doing is saying something without details.

Camping all the time wouldn't make it worse, or at least not changing the ratio. Bowser matchup would never be 85:15 no matter how you play, since matchups are about the general overall performance against each other and NOT playstyle. Plus I don't even though you EVER played a Bowser, or at least a good one at best.
You're setting a bad example for the rest of us, much worse than I am if you are not willing to at least back up what you say.

 

[Diddyknight]

I can try to get some character info from players that I know of. I'll try to help out if I could.