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First off, let me just highlight your use of dehumanizing language. Calling people "ravenous dogs"... for not saying KOS MOS is likely is not cool dude. For someone preaching about negativity, it is a little hypocritical to use such negative and dehumanizing language just because people do not want a character you want in Smash. This is honestly a very unhealthy mindset to have about really anything, but for something that matters as little in the grand scheme of things as an internet debate about Smash Bros is concerning.
Second, most of the arguments that the people who say KOS MOS is not likely are true. Xenosaga has not had a new game since 2006. Her main crossover appearances were in games developed my Monolith Soft themselves. Her franchise is small and has not sold exceptionally well. The odds of a remaster based on what Namco has said themselves seems unlikely. Granted, it is ok to disagree about how likely she is. If you think she is likely, that is fine. But the main arguments against the character are valid, and saying all the arguments are not true will not suddenly make them not true.
Thirdly, Geno has actually been one of the single most controversial characters in RTC in general. The prevailing opinion on him in Smash Ultimate in RTC was always controversial. Many of his staunchest fans would come to RTC and make their case...as would his detractors. Geno honestly is a character that got lucky to have his support take off at just the right times. He had a massive bandwagon in Brawl that died in Smash 4 that got revived due to the mii costume. Don't believe me? Check out his Brawl vs 4 vs Ultimate threads or heck, the old Sm4sh RTC scores, where Geno struggled to hit a 40% want average. In fact, most of the regular posters in RTC were Geno doubters for a while.
Finally, you seem to have a vastly wrong opinion about RTC. This is something I have seen plenty of people do in this thread, so I am turning this post into a soapbox for a second.
RTC is a forum game, always has been. It is all for fun and the spirit of debate. Yes, plenty of people do not like KOS MOS. You know what is a better path to take then complain in here about negativity? Argue in her favor realistically. Some smaller "more niche" fanbases have done this to great effect. A few Danganronpa fans have made a strong effort to make Danganronpa speculation more of a thing. Puyo Puyo is also in the grand scheme of things a more niche franchise, but Arle regularly does well because her supporters make a strong realistic case. Adol is probably the greatest example of this, which is part of why I specifically put his day before KOS MOS'. Adol's supporters made a strong case while realizing his faults. As a result, Adol managed to crack top ten in want and do pretty well for himself in chance. Adol's supporters imo are the gold standard for what someone should do in an RTC day: come in, make a case for a character that is well researched, and convince others about their merits.
If you (I am using the plural you, not just the person I am quoting), am upset that people are not down on your character: make the case for them. Make a strong, well researched argument and be ready to defend against counter argu
This. This right here is the single best mentality you can take. Even if I think the word "detractors" is not the word I would use, it still encompasses my point. If y'all care about KOS MOS and do not like how people are rating her, then participate. Otherwise, it is a self fulfilling prophecy that "RTC is against insert character here". If a character's supporters do not show up, they tend to do worse overall. Rather than sit here and grumble, debate.
Also I usually end up linking threads specifically so that fans can get a chance to get their input and shoot their shot. I did not this time due to some IRL complications. Thanks for linking the thread here Mushroomguy, it honestly made me happy.
Yes because throwing shade at other users outside of a thread while also strawmanning your opponent is totally a healthy mindset. I know how people rate characters in RTC, and the user in question is lukewarm on Lloyd.
In terms of why we rated her again, because last time we rated her was just after Min Min, and we got two more characters and potentially only have three left. I think I can say it makes sense to assume that someone's odds change at least a little. RTC does a fixed schedule after a certain amount of time because of that. It also lets popular characters get another chance to be revisited. Part of why she was rerated was also as a courtesy to her fans in an attempt to give them another chance to argue for her. There is no need to be toxic over this, especially when plenty of the arguments, most notably the Harada tweet are damning.
Yes, because the healthy,adult thing to do is strawman anyone who disagrees with your opinion. I don't think its a radical thing to say that a franchise having low sales and had it's remaster get rejected has a negative effect on ones chances.
And want is 100% subjective. It is an opinion. Turns out, some people do not like KOS MOS, Xenosaga, or got put off from her due to stuff like this. I've seen this thing happen first hand with other fanbases like Waluigi or Geno. I said this earlier and I will say it again: If you do not like how people discuss your most wanted, make an argument for them and support them. That is way more productive than this.
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First off, those are not even the popular characters in RTC. If you said Crash and Ryu Hayabusa, maybe. But Dante has always been looked at a bit bullishly, and he is the one that overall gets the least scrutiny of those three.
Second, I think you are forgetting the itty bitty tiny detail that Banjo was one of the single biggest requests for smash ultimate. He had a huge amount of ballot support and had a ton of support for DLC. And this is not just me talking about RTC, even though he regularly did pretty good there. I am talking about basically every fan poll out there. Banjo got in because of fan demand. If you really want me to nettle more though, Banjo Kazooie as a whole on the N64, not counting Rare Replay, XBLA, or anything else, sold 1.8 million. Xenosaga as a whole is hard to pin down sales due to Xenosaga II's full sales never being reported, but unless it sold better than it did in Japan across the rest of the globe, the Xenosaga franchise would not reach that number.
Finally, calling people "****ing idiots" and "hypocritical babies". Take a step back and relax first off. Now, instead of getting mad and strawmanning literally an entire thread of people, you stand by your arguments instead of strawmanning theirs.
We do fixed schedules after a certain point because characters are popular and time changes. We went from knowing nothing about FP2 except Min Min was in to having half of it.
RTC, as I will say again and again, is a forum game and is meant to debate. I rarely agree with everything people post in RTC. But I respect plenty of their arguments. It also lets people talk about more niche stuff often since outside of these fixed schedules, the schedules are determined by what people care about and nominate. Is RTC always right? Depends. RTC tended to on average give out decent scores for most of the stuff that got rated. The only real glaring mess ups were Ridley, who was the second character ever rated when we knew nothing about the game, Incineroar, who was overshadowed by three other strong choices for a Gen 7 pokemon, and Joker who was literally going to be rated a few days after he was revealed.
And most of the arguments people use against KOS MOS... are used against other characters too. I know since you admit you prefer to stay in this thread for speculation, but from what I have seen the arguments that are not specific to KOS MOS, namely stuff not specific to Xenosaga or its remasters, are used very often for "their characters".
It's pretty easy to cherry pick scores. Yeah, sometimes people are wrong. If I wanted to I could find a few people who gave Min Min a 0% chance. Why not check out when we did Concept: SNK rep instead. We instituted some changes before then to have people write better write ups as a whole instead of the one liners there. Naturally, if you looked then, you would see that the concept was looked at a lot better.
In terms of animosity, I would say there is at least as much animosity if not moreso here. I have not seen anyone in RTC call y'all "ravenous dogs" or "****ing babies", throw shade constantly, and whine when their arguments get called out. Is there at least some animosity from some users? Yeah, but as someone who likes KOS MOS, the animosity is way worse here, which is pretty hypocritical. If you want animosity, I can't think of anything that has more animosity that stuff like that.
I wish people would also be more civil, but a lot of the animosity comes from here. You (using the royal you) can't say you wish there wasn't any animosity or wish things were civil yet end up liking posts that are equally, if not way more uncivil. RTC members are not throwing blatant shade towards specific members outside of the thread or name calling others.
And before any of yall say I am biased against Xenosaga.
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Played through Xenosaga 1, loved it. Xenosaga 2 is on the way in the mail. Once I have more disposable income after COVID dies down, I will get Xenosaga III if I can find it at an ok price. But this is honestly depressing to see. I expected better from y'all. I respect
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because while I think their mini rant in here was uncalled for, at least they actually did come into RTC instead of sulk in here and complain that not everyone likes KOS MOS. As someone that actually likes KOS-MOS, be better. Please. It is sad to see a character I actually want have this sort of extremely toxic aura around them. If you must know my scores, I gave KOS MOS a 2.5% (might shift to 2-3 by the time that write up goes live) in chance and a 100% in want. But this, this is just depressing. When I put KOS MOS on the fixed schedule, I did not want this. I wanted her fans to come out, support the character, and engage in a reasonable debate. Instead I had to see fans of a character I want sulk, whine, name call, and strawman others because they disagree with their opinion. Please, as someone who loved Xenosaga, be better.
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