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KOS-MOS Returning to Battle: DLC Season 2.

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...So, if I may, I would like to offer a counter to the perception that Nintendo picks DLC characters/costumes based entirely on marketability. I find this notion silly, as evidence to the contrary can be found through the simple act of looking at the roster.


We have Joker, Hero, Banjo&Kazooie, and Terry Bogard so far. Of those, the only character who falls into the mold of a highly marketable, breakout hit character in the height of their popularity is... Joker.

-Hero and Dragon Quest are popular in a way that cannot be overstated... in Japan. But Smash is an international game, and all of us will remember quite clearly the complete and utter lack of enthusiasm the Western Smash Community had in regards to Hero's inclusion. One might argue that Smash is bias to Japan, but if we're talking corporate greed and big money decisions, Japan only makes up ~20% of the Smash Ultimate install base. Surely they could have pushed something with wider appeal.
-Banjo&Kazooie were once a big part of the Nintendo brand, and was a beloved series with a fervently loyal fanbase, for good reason. That said, regardless of one's personal feelings toward B&K, they have not truly been relevant since the early 2000s. They were and are a footnote in the story of gaming history. A prominent footnote, but a footnote nonetheless.
-Terry Bogard... I could talk about Terry's -and by extension, SNK's- history and relevance to gaming... but all I'd be doing is re-skinning what I just said about B&K, except even less marketable due to lack of vocal support. Terry is near the polar opposite of a shill pick.


If Nintendo's goal was to make all the money by grabbing eyes and exploiting recent trends, 3 of the 4 characters in the Fighter Pass would not be there. We'd instead have Joker, 2B, Minecraft Steve, Fortnite guy, etc. And sure... many, many people in the greater user-base would likely prefer such a line-up, but it is demonstrably not the brand of content we've been getting. Nintendo clearly feels they have very little reason to exploit existing marketability.

Unpopular, Unknown, and Irrelevant characters become Popular, Known, and Relevant through Smash. It has been happening since Melee. It will continue to happen. It is perhaps the greatest power Smash wields, and one Sakurai [and now Nintendo] are evidently wont to use.

Do they want to make money? Obviously.

Do they sell things strategically, using methods that incentivize larger purchases? Yes.

Do they choose characters and costumes to cash in on current market trends? Signs point to no.
I personally think Hero was a character for the people. An inevitability because is a freaking Japanese Mascot. A bit like Megaman in that regard. In retrospect I'm surprised in took this long to appear in Smash.

And about the rest of your post. Being fun and interesting is more important than just being known (having a fanbase is needed of course. but not every pick will be a Blockbuster). Sakurai said it better than me.
 
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They can just cover her legs if they wanted KOSMOS. It's not like Mai where the entire costume is jiggle physics fan service. I'd imagine like how Corrin's inner thighs were censored, maybe he can just cover her legs and call it a day.

****ty MS Paint visualization

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That looks great! Dare I say I like this more than the original design!
thaaaanks

also i remember someone was talking about some KOS-MOS Re: figure being at some sort of Nintendo desk and posted like 4 images of that via 4chan image links (not a good idea to link those back instead of an archive tbh)
saw it in a old 4chan thread
KOS-MOS at the ninty section for what reason.jpg

is this it?
 

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Also, here’s the link to the tweet that specifically deconfirms the whole Tales Of series.

https://twitter.com/NanaKarobi/status/1200501641008631810?s=20

I personally think Hero was a character for the people. An inevitability because is a freaking Japanese Mascot. A bit like Megaman in that regard. In retrospect I'm surprised in took this long to appear in Smash.

And about the rest of your post. Being fun and interesting is more important than just being known (having a fanbase is needed of course. but not every pick will be a Blockbuster). Sakurai said it better than me.
Honestly the only people I ever heard advocate a active want for Hero at the time that wasn’t from Japan was pizzadudemanguy though he wanted a specific one, but fair enough.
 

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thaaaanks

also i remember someone was talking about some KOS-MOS Re: figure being at some sort of Nintendo desk and posted like 4 images of that via 4chan image links (not a good idea to link those back instead of an archive tbh)
saw it in a old 4chan thread
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Yes, Thank you so much for finding it. My backups were all broken links.

Also, things got heated in the newcomer speculation thread. KOS-MOS VS Nightmare war essentially before. It was pretty bad
 

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So, I went ahead and asked that guy who also leaked Lloyd's deconfirmation and the whole Tales Of series deconfirmation with Sabi since they have open DMs about this stuff about KOS-MOS and got this in reply.

So... I guess at some point before TGA we may have a confirmation or not... and you can blame/thank me for asking I guess.
 

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Lord, KOS-MOS might actually be a thing! I am legit getting hype, but I am keeping myself in check.

One thing I wanted to ask, what would her Boxing Ring nickname be? I remember she was given a nickname in either Xenosaga 1 or 3. Calling her something along the lines of "Our sleeping beauty" ? I cannot for the life of me remember, but I am pretty sure it was something along those lines.
 
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So, I went ahead and asked that guy who also leaked Lloyd's deconfirmation and the whole Tales Of series deconfirmation with Sabi since they have open DMs about this stuff about KOS-MOS and got this in reply.

So... I guess at some point before TGA we may have a confirmation or not... and you can blame/thank me for asking I guess.
From what I understand that is Sabi's account she uses to flee from Nintendo ninjas and if you asked Sabi directly you probably wouldnt get an answer. As of right now it means nothing. We will see though.
 

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From what I understand that is Sabi's account she uses to flee from Nintendo ninjas and if you asked Sabi directly you probably wouldnt get an answer. As of right now it means nothing. We will see though.
I took the not not sabi's @ here very literally then. Search up the @ on twitter and look at their bio and look at their replies and you'll see she does have Open DMs and is fine with people asking about that stuff. I would show the whole page but I got family members in my twitter DMs so I didn't exactly feel comfortable snipping the whole thing... though I guess I could have just censored them out with the pen... my bad.


Means nothing, yes. Though it does kinda show prominent leakers haven't bothered to ask about her until now and now have an interest in diving into stuff about KOS-MOS... now. But as you said: we will see.
 
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I took the not not sabi's @ here very literally then. Search up the @ on twitter and look at their bio and look at their replies and you'll see she does have Open DMs and is fine with people asking about that stuff. I would show the whole page but I got family members in my twitter DMs so I didn't exactly feel comfortable snipping the whole thing... though I guess I could have just censored them out with the pen... my bad.


Means nothing, yes. Though it does kinda show prominent leakers haven't bothered to ask about her until now and now have an interest in diving into stuff about KOS-MOS... now. But as you said: we will see.
It's totally fine that you asked and i'm glad you did! I just dont really expect them to risk their job and tell you she's in or people heard stuff about her. However, if she's disconfirmed i'll be pretty heartbroken if we can put it that way. There's always next fighter pass but Lloyd can steal her slot then D:
 

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It's totally fine that you asked and i'm glad you did! I just dont really expect them to risk their job and tell you she's in or people heard stuff about her. However, if she's disconfirmed i'll be pretty heartbroken if we can put it that way. There's always next fighter pass but Lloyd can steal her slot then D:
Well I mean... Sabi was doing leaks on both, one is just way less followed so its actually more covert. Plus due to some of those replies I think she is actually making it seem like Nana and Sabi are two different people and as I said, she's done stuff for others outside of DMs, for example:

https://twitter.com/NanaKarobi/status/1200562541631561728?s=20

https://twitter.com/NanaKarobi/status/1200557534765080576?s=20

https://twitter.com/NanaKarobi/status/1200556865563897856?s=20
 

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Also, I definitely support our lady Kosy! Please add me to the list of supporters.

I've been lurking here for quite a while, and I love the Xenosaga series. I sincerely feel that KOS-MOS would be one of the most exciting DLC inclusions to date.
 

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So, I went ahead and asked that guy who also leaked Lloyd's deconfirmation and the whole Tales Of series deconfirmation with Sabi since they have open DMs about this stuff about KOS-MOS and got this in reply.

So... I guess at some point before TGA we may have a confirmation or not... and you can blame/thank me for asking I guess.
You probably should have asked about Nightmare. If that is indeed a Sabi circle person (or Sabi themselves?), we'd be able to confirm or deconfirm other stuff that's been heard and get a good idea of the rumor mill in general.
 

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You probably should have asked about Nightmare. If that is indeed a Sabi circle person (or Sabi themselves?), we'd be able to confirm or deconfirm other stuff that's been heard and get a good idea of the rumor mill in general.
You could always ask them yourself, their @ is right there. Personally I don't care about Nightmare so I didn't ask anything, and I didn't really want to be a bother beyond that or at least come off as such.
 
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Also, a brand spanking new 4chan leak was posted. Take it with an ounce of salt, but it claims that,

>KOS-MOS with her XC2 design is going to be the 5th fighter and will be revealed at the Game Awards along with Rex and Pyra being in her final Smash.

>A teaser for the first post-pass fighter will also be shown.

https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/487156287
 
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Also, a brand spanking new 4chan leak was posted. Take it with an ounce of salt, but it claims that,

>KOS-MOS with her XC2 design is going to be the 5th fighter and will be revealed at the Game Awards along with Rex and Pyra being in her final Smash.

>A teaser for the first post-pass fighter will also be shown.

https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/487156287
Gimme my glasses...

*gets glasses and starts analyzing*

Okay, hold up. If you're putting KOS-MOS of all people, you should let her represent her home franchise. Also Rex and Pyra in the Final Smash? I hardly see that, but if it does, then fu-

Chrom and Robin..

Thank you for that reminder, phew.
 

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Also, a brand spanking new 4chan leak was posted. Take it with an ounce of salt, but it claims that,

>KOS-MOS with her XC2 design is going to be the 5th fighter and will be revealed at the Game Awards along with Rex and Pyra being in her final Smash.

>A teaser for the first post-pass fighter will also be shown.

https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/487156287
I don't see that to be perfectly honest.

I'd rather KOS-MOS be with Xenosaga and not really XBC2. It doesn't' make sense why Rex and Pyra would be with her since well... canonically she isn't Rex's blade, Rex's canonical blades are: Pyra/Mythra/Pneuma, the one you open up at Gormott but that could be anything, Roc, and Nia . Even if she uses her XBC2 design solely.

I honestly can't really agree with KOS-MOS being represented that way when she has more than enough and there is more than enough to support Xenosaga. Though I don't mind RE at all, then again, I don't take most 4chan leaks seriously.

Also: the leaker mentions Xenogears spirits... hahahahahaha... that already confirms its fake. Square Enix wouldn't allow Xenogears any recognition, let alone come with another companies' character. Also her classification as a Xenoblade character and not Xenosaga is already a massive red-flag.

Especially since that would then violate the "new worlds being brought into smash bros." that DLC is doing so far. Since Xenoblade would not be a new world being brought in, Xenosaga however would be.

Though I do find those 4chan members hilarious saying "she's not recognizable" completely ignoring Sakurai's qoute from the Terry direct where he said popularity or being recognizable doesn't matter and what matters is if they'd be fun.
 
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I don`t take 4Chan leaks seriously at all but Fighter #5 could very well indeed be KOS-MOS or someone else very unexpected. Guess we`ll have to wait until TGA & see what happens.
 

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That leak fake as f***.
I don't appreciate those. But KOS-MOS is now being talked about a little too much for my liking.
At least people think Nightmare is the next BAMCO so if there's another chopping block it wont be our girl.
 
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That leak fake as f***.
I don't appreciate those. But KOS-MOS is now being talked about a little too much for my liking.
At least people think Nightmare is the next BAMCO so if there's another chopping block it wont be our girl.
Watch as Sabi just straight up says "FP5 won't be from Bamco", and bam! Wala na, finish na.

Though Sabi won't be deconfirming anymore so I guess that won't be a possibility!
 

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I don't see that to be perfectly honest.

I'd rather KOS-MOS be with Xenosaga and not really XBC2. It doesn't' make sense why Rex and Pyra would be with her since well... canonically she isn't Rex's blade, Rex's canonical blades are: Pyra/Mythra/Pneuma, the one you open up at Gormott but that could be anything, Roc, and Nia . Even if she uses her XBC2 design solely.

I honestly can't really agree with KOS-MOS being represented that way when she has more than enough and there is more than enough to support Xenosaga. Though I don't mind RE at all, then again, I don't take most 4chan leaks seriously.

Also: the leaker mentions Xenogears spirits... hahahahahaha... that already confirms its fake. Square Enix wouldn't allow Xenogears any recognition, let alone come with another companies' character. Also her classification as a Xenoblade character and not Xenosaga is already a massive red-flag.

Especially since that would then violate the "new worlds being brought into smash bros." that DLC is doing so far. Since Xenoblade would not be a new world being brought in, Xenosaga however would be.

Though I do find those 4chan members hilarious saying "she's not recognizable" completely ignoring Sakurai's qoute from the Terry direct where he said popularity or being recognizable doesn't matter and what matters is if they'd be fun.
I totally agree haha.

I know it's not going to happen, but it does bring up some interesting perspectives. If she is fighter 5 (which she prolly will be), I'm sure she'll be coming with her XC2 design in some alt. The final smash and Xenogears mentions makes me very skeptical, and it probably won't happen either.

I wish Square wasn't so stingy and anal. :dizzy::ohwell:
 

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I doubt we're ever going to get echoes through DLC due to the fact it's been confirmed over a year that ain't happening.
I think Sakurai was just refering to the Season Pass when it comes to no Echos as DLC. Post Pass though is probably fair game for more Echos, Spirit promotions, and hell maybe even Assist Trophy promotions.
 

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Also, a brand spanking new 4chan leak was posted. Take it with an ounce of salt, but it claims that,

>KOS-MOS with her XC2 design is going to be the 5th fighter and will be revealed at the Game Awards along with Rex and Pyra being in her final Smash.

>A teaser for the first post-pass fighter will also be shown.

https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/487156287
She is in and will be considered a Xenoblade character, uses her skills from her appearance in Xenoblade Chronicles 2

Spirits event from Xenogears, Xenosaga, and Xenoblade
That's not a good start tbh

Especially Xenogears content. That'd draw Square into the division of payment for the character pack, which seems very unlikely. There's a reason Square likes its content being standalone. They don't even share Mii waves.

Her original appearance is still Xenosaga, its just that her entire moveset and appearance is derived from Xenoblade because that's where she is most known for. I believe she mainly fights with her big cannons.

Does Sakurai strike you as the guy to draw a moveset primarily from a cameo that is (debatably) not in her own series with a nod here or there to the games she actually starred in, or vice versa? Let's be real.

If he wanted to appease the Xenoblade 2 people, he'd pick Rex. You know, the protagonist. KOS-MOS is for Xenosaga.

It's hard to believe but Sakurai wanted to celebrate the entire Xeno franchise
Spirits include Shion and TELOS from Xenosaga side.
Stating Sakurai's mentality is just about one of the biggest red flags out there

Along with giving far too much detail, which is also what's going on here

How many accurate leaks can you name which knew the spirits
 

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I think anyone claiming to know sakurai's thinking is lieing. KOS-MOS could still happen, but that is a fake leak.

Watch that someone all these deconfirmations don't even matter, and it turns out one of them is the fighter, because Sakurai kept a super tight lid on it. Likely? who knows.

I am hoping for Shantae, KOS-MOS, or Reimu myself, but i will be happy with anyone as FP5
 

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I think anyone claiming to know sakurai's thinking is lieing. KOS-MOS could still happen, but that is a fake leak.

Watch that someone all these deconfirmations don't even matter, and it turns out one of them is the fighter, because Sakurai kept a super tight lid on it. Likely? who knows.

I am hoping for Shantae, KOS-MOS, or Reimu myself, but i will be happy with anyone as FP5
Yes, that leak is defo fake, but another minor incidence just happened; while browsing through gamefaqs, I stumbed upon a KOS-MOS thread and found out that official artwork was made for KOS-MOS and T-ELOS in November/December 2018 (the same time that Xenosaga III was trademarked).


(OFFICIAL ARTWORK MADE BY CHOCO IN NOV/DEC 2018)

Vergeben also posted a string of comments just three hours ago; he spoke very positively of the game and its premise, and was recently browsing playthroughs of Xenosaga I.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78185260?page=15

Though he made clear that him commenting on the thread was not necessarily an indication of some sort of hint towards her inclusion. Peeps went crazy and spammed him with questions if she'll be FP5 or not.
 

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Yes, that leak is defo fake, but another minor incidence just happened; while browsing through gamefaqs, I stumbed upon a KOS-MOS thread and found out that official artwork was made for KOS-MOS and T-ELOS in November/December 2018 (the same time that Xenosaga III was trademarked).


(OFFICIAL ARTWORK MADE BY CHOCO IN NOV/DEC 2018)

Vergeben also posted a string of comments just three hours ago; he spoke very positively of the game and its premise, and was recently browsing playthroughs of Xenosaga I.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78185260?page=15

Though he made clear that him commenting on the thread was not necessarily an indication of some sort of hint towards her inclusion. Peeps went crazy and spammed him with questions if she'll be FP5 or not.
I did see the vergeben thing and was wondering if someone brought it up here haha. Yes most likely he isnt teasing her, just saying he liked the games. People can do that.

Seeing art like that pop up though too could mean something. Either they will finally release an he collection of the series(which is needed as finding all 3 of the originals is so hard) or/and her getting added to smash. We shall see.

Nightmare seems to be popping up a bunch, and while i can see that... feels odd sakurao would put in 2 fighting characters back to back... but he did that with rpgs with hero and joker...
 

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The sudden Vergeben appearance after two days is worth mentioning since if he had the confidence/willingness to murder KOS-MOS speculation then he just passed up a pretty timely opportunity to do so.
 

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Also, a brand spanking new 4chan leak was posted. Take it with an ounce of salt, but it claims that,

>KOS-MOS with her XC2 design is going to be the 5th fighter and will be revealed at the Game Awards along with Rex and Pyra being in her final Smash.

>A teaser for the first post-pass fighter will also be shown.

https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/487156287
>Rex and Pyra in her Final Smash

 
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Also, a brand spanking new 4chan leak was posted. Take it with an ounce of salt, but it claims that,

>KOS-MOS with her XC2 design is going to be the 5th fighter and will be revealed at the Game Awards along with Rex and Pyra being in her final Smash.

>A teaser for the first post-pass fighter will also be shown.

https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/487156287
If Sakurai wanted to represent Xenoblade 2... he'd choose Rex and Pyra over KOSMOS. I'm down for this alternate reality, but it sounds unrealistic.
 

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If Sakurai wanted to represent Xenoblade 2... he'd choose Rex and Pyra over KOSMOS. I'm down for this alternate reality, but it sounds unrealistic.
Agreed man. It's not gonna happen since Rex/Pyra were too new to fit within Ultimate's Cycle. I doubt they'll be one of the DLC's as well since we have the Rex mii costume. Nonetheless, I'm hoping that we do see other Xeno characters in KOS-MOS's arsenal in some way.
 

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I would love to see a T-elos Echo of KOS-MOS but i doubt it. They will probably just go for a alt color.
Then again i wonder if KOS-MOS will have a gimmick, what would it be?
Me too!

I actually like Shion more than KOS-MOS, but T-elos is my favorite Xenosaga character.

You're right that she would most likely be regulated to a color swap but damn it if she wouldn't make a fine echo.




Cramming KOS-MOS's weapons into her move list with her close quarter attacks is enough of a gimmick imo.
 

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So i mentioned it before. But how likely is it we get a xe osaga HD remaster announced at the game awards? Doesnt even need to be tied to smash, just that game?

Me too!

I actually like Shion more than KOS-MOS, but T-elos is my favorite Xenosaga character.

You're right that she would most likely be regulated to a color swap but damn it if she wouldn't make a fine echo.




Cramming KOS-MOS's weapons into her move list with her close quarter attacks is enough of a gimmick imo.
Doubt we are hetting echos but an alt skin that says TELOS would be fine with me. I absolutely love her design and it ticks all my boxes. Even have a nice figure of her
 

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Anyone here actually have all three Xenosaga games? I was lucky enough tjo get 1 and 2 from my cousin and 3 from a local game store for 80 bucks.
 

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Anyone here actually have all three Xenosaga games? I was lucky enough tjo get 1 and 2 from my cousin and 3 from a local game store for 80 bucks.
I used to have all 3, but when we moved couldn't find them, at least I finished all 3 before then, lol
 

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Yeah putting Rex and Pyra in KOS-MOS’s Final Smash makes no sense, esp since KOS-MOS is merely a guest in Xenoblade 2. It made a bit of sense when Fiora was inserted into Shulk’s Final Smash, even tho Chain Attacks involve three party members and not four. Here, not so much.

Also

>Xenogears Spirits

welp instantly fake. Square Enix likes to pretend Xenogears doesn’t exist laughs and then sobs
 

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I think Sakurai was just refering to the Season Pass when it comes to no Echos as DLC. Post Pass though is probably fair game for more Echos, Spirit promotions, and hell maybe even Assist Trophy promotions.
Pretty sure it was meant for a whole thing, DLC echoes would be a waste of time when they’re proven to be able to make 4-5 characters in a year and are just clones of characters in the game. Only way I will accept DLC echoes is if they’re 100% free as we’d already have em or they’re bundled in with a completely new fighter.

Yes, that leak is defo fake, but another minor incidence just happened; while browsing through gamefaqs, I stumbed upon a KOS-MOS thread and found out that official artwork was made for KOS-MOS and T-ELOS in November/December 2018 (the same time that Xenosaga III was trademarked).


(OFFICIAL ARTWORK MADE BY CHOCO IN NOV/DEC 2018)

Vergeben also posted a string of comments just three hours ago; he spoke very positively of the game and its premise, and was recently browsing playthroughs of Xenosaga I.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78185260?page=15

Though he made clear that him commenting on the thread was not necessarily an indication of some sort of hint towards her inclusion. Peeps went crazy and spammed him with questions if she'll be FP5 or not.
That was official art added into XBC2 after the Torna DLC released, they added a artwork showcase in the main menu that showed stuff like that, the whole group of main characters and blades in the games, and Rex and Pyra’s concept designs. Aka Blonde Rex and Phantasy Star looking Pyra, which I admit looks really cute though she’d be censored in smash for having a bigger boob window than Mythra and thighs and sides.

For fun I’ll post some of the official art for that.


 

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Pretty sure it was meant for a whole thing, DLC echoes would be a waste of time when they’re proven to be able to make 4-5 characters in a year and are just clones of characters in the game. Only way I will accept DLC echoes is if they’re 100% free as we’d already have em or they’re bundled in with a completely new fighter.



That was official art added into XBC2 after the Torna DLC released, they added a artwork showcase in the main menu that showed stuff like that, the whole group of main characters and blades in the games, and Rex and Pyra’s concept designs. Aka Blonde Rex and Phantasy Star looking Pyra, which I admit looks really cute though she’d be censored in smash for having a bigger boob window than Mythra and thighs and sides.

For fun I’ll post some of the official art for that.


Can I just say i LOVE Beta Pyra's hair????

also I can kinda imagine DLC echoes being patched in for free if we already own their base DLC character (i.e. Kasumi for Joker) or sold for insanely cheap, I'm talking like $2 or less, if they're an Echo of a base roster character (i.e. Octoling for Inkling)

on a side note, those Vergeben comments... hmm...
 
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