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Koopa Questions: a Bowser Q&A Thread
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Trouble King
Smash Apprentice
Oh good. So I'm not terrible if I have trouble with it that early? XD Good. Good. I'll just do my best to avoid it and not be in the air when he uses it.
KillerJawz
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I recall having done it on BF's blast zone by mashing jump as Bowser went off the screen. I tried getting the exact timing but it seemed to differ every time I did it :/.
For some reason jumping out of bowsercide simply does not work in frame-by-frame.
If you can ask someone in the smash lab why this is it'd be great.
All we know is that it's easier on smaller characters and the difficulty also varies with the stages.
If you can ask someone in the smash lab why this is it'd be great.
All we know is that it's easier on smaller characters and the difficulty also varies with the stages.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
What is the preferable input to SDI bowser dsmash?
How many different hitboxes are there in bowser fsmash?
How many different hitboxes are there in bowser fsmash?
Dumbfire
Sex? Yes, I'm familiar with the theory
I asked someone in the smashlab but he said I'd have to direct the qeustions to NL first because he discovered it. He said you'd have to press it the frame the opponent dies and that it is stage and port dependent. That doesn't solve yet why it won't work in frame advance =/
Trouble King
Smash Apprentice
Is that a rhetorical question?
Also:
When Diddy's trying to nana you to death, what's the best option after PSing a banana throw if he tries to punish the shield with a grab all the time? Up-b OOS?
I have trouble keeping tabs on him with all of his glide tossing bull. :/ Sometimes he'll come straight for my shield, and sometimes he won't. I don't need my fortress to get punished, so should I do a jab instead?
I hate not knowing this MU.
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
If the banana's flying off of your shield, short hop towards it and Z-Grab or something.
If you know the Diddy is going to punish you for shield camping, aka RUN UP to you and grab your shield, why don't you just up-b as he's running to you?
if it starts to become habit, change it, mix it up. Klaw as he's coming to you, or something. Run away, jump over him...there's a lot of things you can do lol
with the glide tossing, just throw it back at him, or SHAD and catch the banana somehow. Remember, you can pick up bananas with a klaw hopped aerial or a kh'd z grab, so you don't need to be grounded, and you're also throwing out a wall of klaws while getting the banana. of course the Diddy can just run and FAir you as you're jumping but whatever
If you know the Diddy is going to punish you for shield camping, aka RUN UP to you and grab your shield, why don't you just up-b as he's running to you?
if it starts to become habit, change it, mix it up. Klaw as he's coming to you, or something. Run away, jump over him...there's a lot of things you can do lol
with the glide tossing, just throw it back at him, or SHAD and catch the banana somehow. Remember, you can pick up bananas with a klaw hopped aerial or a kh'd z grab, so you don't need to be grounded, and you're also throwing out a wall of klaws while getting the banana. of course the Diddy can just run and FAir you as you're jumping but whatever
B!squick
Smash Master
Yeah, I think it may have been mentioned somewhere... makes sense you can do that though.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
How do I beat MK???
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
You don't.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
wat
bowser is 45-55 MK
bowser is 45-55 MK
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
A long time ago
it was.
The general consensus now is it's about 7:3
in a galaxy far far away
The general consensus now is it's about 7:3
CaLibUr_1337
Smash Lord
I thought it was 65:35 at the worst? Generally feels like 60-40 to me.
B!squick
Smash Master
Yes, I'm more of a Rocky Road kinda guy... er, wait, you said favor. 
dskank
Smash Journeyman
yeah mk beats up bowser, infact any char bowser cant klaw beats him up..
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
What? Bowser can Klaw MK.
dskank
Smash Journeyman
doesnt lazar priority **** up the klaw's grab armor though?
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
"lazar priority"?
what the **** are you talking about
nevermind, what do you mean by whatever character bowser can't klaw
you do realize bowser's SIDE B is a universal move that is part of his moveset and can be used on any character, yes?
nevermind the fact that he has transcendant priority, you just klaw when he's not attacking or something, punish him for his mistakes with grabs, tilts, jabs depending on how far he is-hell, even dash attack if you really want to get the damage on and no move will reach
what the **** are you talking about
nevermind, what do you mean by whatever character bowser can't klaw
you do realize bowser's SIDE B is a universal move that is part of his moveset and can be used on any character, yes?
nevermind the fact that he has transcendant priority, you just klaw when he's not attacking or something, punish him for his mistakes with grabs, tilts, jabs depending on how far he is-hell, even dash attack if you really want to get the damage on and no move will reach
dskank
Smash Journeyman
laser priority is what i call transcendent priority because it doesnt clank with any move, like falco's laser
klaw is less effective on mk then other chars though because how small a target he is and his priority beats the grab armor, does it cause idrk
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
ok well, say laser instead of lazar...lol
it doesn't beat the grab armor
i've klawed through forward and downsmashes multiple times
it honestly isn't less effective on him because klaw is a kinda important move in every MU
it practically makes bowser in brawl, as bold as that statement is; klaw is undoubtedly his best move, period.
to answer your question though, maybe it may seem less effective on paper, but i've grabbed through that **** with the right timing, so im not sure. (unless they don't have the priority)
it doesn't beat the grab armor
i've klawed through forward and downsmashes multiple times
it honestly isn't less effective on him because klaw is a kinda important move in every MU
it practically makes bowser in brawl, as bold as that statement is; klaw is undoubtedly his best move, period.
to answer your question though, maybe it may seem less effective on paper, but i've grabbed through that **** with the right timing, so im not sure. (unless they don't have the priority)
dskank
Smash Journeyman
ur right, when i play this match i dont go for the klaw as much cept to punish, i alt bowser so didnt learn this match
ItoI6
Smash Journeyman
Whats the frame advantage for bowser after he jabs someone?
dskank
Smash Journeyman
with the grab release infinite on wario, do u have to walk a little to get the regrab? ive been playing this match with a friend of mine recently and when i walk a little he cant get out, but if i stand there and try to grab, he can..?
dskank
Smash Journeyman
air release
To grab Wario from an air-release it has to be frame-perfect if Wario has his double-jump.
Since it's a matter of vertical distance I didn't think walking would help, but I can test it out later today.
edit: Yeah, it doesn't help at all.
Since it's a matter of vertical distance I didn't think walking would help, but I can test it out later today.
edit: Yeah, it doesn't help at all.
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
It's not really a grab release infinite if you walk forward anyway.
dskank
Smash Journeyman
is there a place on these boards that show bowsers hit boxes? if so can someone put up a link?
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
dunno about any images, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkMlsPV_p-8
dskank
Smash Journeyman
thanks that helped alot
i was kinda surprised @ how bad bowsers standing grab range is
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
That's why we don't emphasize Bowser's grab release too much in MU discussions, especially on characters that are usually difficult to grab like MK and Dedede. We make note of what we can do out of the grab, but after that, there's not much else to say. Getting a grab off is usually your opponent's mistake for making themselves vunerable/putting themselves in that position, or not utilizing the tools that allow them to escape that situation.
gg run on sentences.
What we get out of a grab is good, but the risk/reward system isn't in our favor. It's much better and safer to use Klaw, but the grab isn't that bad that we should completely discard it.
Certainly if Bowser had...say, D3's range, he'd be better.
gg run on sentences.
What we get out of a grab is good, but the risk/reward system isn't in our favor. It's much better and safer to use Klaw, but the grab isn't that bad that we should completely discard it.
Certainly if Bowser had...say, D3's range, he'd be better.
Trouble King
Smash Apprentice
Getting the banana while it's on the ground isn't a prob for me. I already know KH'd grabs and stuff like that. It's just that whenever I fought a Diddy, they're spacing was great. Even if I PSed the nana, they were still close enough to me from the glide toss that they could grab me right away. Then again, it was Wi-Fi, lol, so I dunno if that had anything to do with my timing but, meh.
He didn't do much running or direct attacks. He just did the glide toss to get around when he was close to me. And his Fair was a pain. Hmm.
Grab-release->Bowsercide.