Koopa Questions: a Bowser Q&A Thread

[Zigsta]

I haven't really tried with Bowser but I have done it with Luigi before.

Although I was briefly practicing jab- pivot utilt with t sticking, but instead of pressing down, I was using that window to buffer the pivot. Does this mean it's not viable, due to me not cancelling the jab?

Hmm, I'm not sure. I've never tried tilt sticking with Bowser because I like to keep my c-stick handy for quick fsmashes.

 

[Dre89]

I found jab1 to jab1 pretty easy.

I don't think jab- pivot utilt is that good, simply because the range is poor (to hit a grounded opponent that is), they'd have to be really close for it to connect.

I always assumed T sticking would be better for Bowser, because he relies on tilts more than smashes, and T sticking makes it easier to pivot tilts.

Then again, I think B sticking would be good on Bowser too. FF WF might be a good mixup to escape juggles, I know Luigis like to FF Cyclone to do that. Plus retreating, and reverse BB could be a nice KO trick.

 

[Zigsta]

I know some Bowsers have tested tilt sticking in order to buffer tilts out of GRs, but I personally find it pretty easy to tilt without the need of a tilt stick. It's much easier to dodge an attack and counterattack with fsmash for me by simply flicking the c-stick.

Jab to pivot uptilt doesn't have much use...although it would be pretty cool to be jabbing onstage while someone is recovering and then predict their horizontal recovery with a pivot uptilt, haha.

And as far as WB BB, I'm pretty sure WB doesn't affect BB that much. I've never tested it, but I'm pretty sure I've read it on these boards at one point. Plus, Bowser Bomb doesn't really come out THAT much to warrant a WB setup. As for Fire Breath, I pretty much only use it against spacies and people who can't SDI, haha. It can also be handy for baiting MK to use Mach Tornado.

 

[Dre89]

Speaking of edgeguarding, has anyone tried punishing GUAs with pivot BB?

When they grab the edge, perhaps you could run right to the edge, to bait their GUA, then turn around and move out of the GUA and pivot BB?

 

[Zigsta]

Never tried it since most getup attacks that are actually used are relatively fast, and Bowser Bomb is super slow. When someone's on the ledge, I'm either dtilting, ftilting, fsmashing, Fire Breathing, or simply standing away.

Or jabbing to anything if your name is GNES.

 

[Dre89]

Fair enough, just to make sure you didn't misunderstand me, I didn't mean wait for the GUA then react to it. I meant that you predict it, and input BB as they input GUA, so you should be already above them when their GUA hotbox comes out.

By the way do you guys TJ? I know it's good for WF OOS, but I find it hinders me in other areas.

But anyway that's enough rambling from me. I'm just considering maiming him so I have alot of questions.

 

[Zigsta]

Yeah, I'm on the same page as you about predicting the getup attacks. I'm just saying it's risky--if you miss, you're literally a sitting duck. But if you had the timing down, that would be pretty nifty at mid percents or so.

Not quite sure off the top of my head what TJ stands for. I gotta say, I'm not one for abbreviating much, haha.

And questions are good! With a character as underrepresented as Bowser, I feel it's vital for the community as a whole to ask questions so we can all hopefully learn from it and grow. I know my Bowser's improved dramatically by participating on the boards.

 

[Dre89]

By TJ I mean tap jump lol.

I'm not exactly sure how risky the pivot the pivot BB is. Initallty I thought, they can just jump and aerial you, but then I remembered that you'll be right next to them on the edge, so they probably won't hop up, because they'll expect you to them immediately hit in their jump frames (I always used to spike people with Ganondorf like that), so they'll probably go for the GUA.

I'm trying to think of the worst thing that could happen. They could hop-aerial, but as I said, I think it's unlikely given the fact they'll expect you to intercept that. They could just hang on the edge, in which case they get either a free GUA or aerial on you. But at the same time, you can then just dtilt them next time, if they're anticipating the pivot BB again.

By the way, if you BB to the ledge, whilst someone is on it, does it knock them off?

 

[Phiddlesticks]

BB only KTO when their LI has run out. After that, BB will KTO and then GTE, NP. However, if the opponent still has LI, BB won't do any damage and he'll just PTHD, killing himself on the BBL.


BBQ

EDIT: oops, i guess i should translate that for people who dont speak the dre lingo:

By the way, if you BB to the ledge, whilst someone is on it, does it knock them off?

"yes"

 

[Hobobloke]

Oh Phiddlesticks, never change.

I use tap jump, easier for upb OoS and also helps with GR -> uair on Jiggs. It really doesn't matter whether you use it or not, it comes down to personal preference.

 

[Zigsta]

I have tap jump on as well, largely because I've never been able to perform attacks from the ledge without using the control stick to jump back up. It's an old Melee habit, haha.

 

[Cassius.]

I have tap jump on whenever I use Bowser, but I'm starting to get into the habit of turning tap jump off for every other character.

And what the **** are all these abbreviations? <_<

 

[Hobobloke]

And what the **** are all these abbreviations? <_<

Bowser Bomb only Knocks Them Off when their Ledge Invincibility has run out. After that, Bowser Bomb will Knock Them Off and then Grab The Edge, No Problem. However, if the opponent still has Ledge Invincibility, Bowser Bomb won't do any damage and he'll just Plummet To His Death, killing himself on the Bottom Blast Line.

There ya go Limit.

 

[Phiddlesticks]

thats actually 99% accurate, even the plummet to his death part. im talking like, word for word what i was thinking when i was typing it up. only 99% though because you forgot to translate BBQ.........

i also always use tap jump

 

[Flayl]

That is some amazing bowser hive mind thing you got there Hobobloke, lol

 

[Hobobloke]

 

[CaLibUr_1337]

BB is definitely good when used sparingly for obvious reasons. As an edge guard, I'm too scared to try it haha.

Also how to I fight ROBs? Other then PS everything.

 

[Cassius.]

BB is definitely good when used sparingly for obvious reasons. As an edge guard, I'm too scared to try it haha.

Also how to I fight ROBs? Other then PS everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrq4kTH-Y80

 

[Zigsta]

Calibur, pressure R.O.B. as much as possible. Get in his face.

That's pretty much it, haha.

 

[Flayl]

Do you guys think it's worth it to hold on the gyro and rely on klaw/fortress/firebreath to do damage or does Bowser really need his A moves to have a chance?

 

[Zigsta]

Do you guys think it's worth it to hold on the gyro and rely on klaw/fortress/firebreath to do damage or does Bowser really need his A moves to have a chance?

I prefer having my A moves. Gyro's easy to shield, anyway.

 

[Hobobloke]

If you get gyro just throw it at him and follow up, you'll really want your A moves much more than gyro. Like Zig said it's fairly easy to shield anyway and the whole going away when shielded makes it meh.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

so who's currently the best bowser to watch guys?

 

[Dumbfire]

Vex in 09 and such.
Now just check out Zigsta, King_Kong, Limit and MrEh.. And erm I might be missing someone. Sorry for the vague answer but there is just no constistend like obviously best Bowser out there.
Limits busy with School, King_Kong and MrEhs regions are annoying and Zigsta also plays PT.

 

[Zigsta]

I dropped PT. I only go Bowser and sometimes Wario.

 

[Cassius.]

I would add Ixis to that list as well, but that's basically it.

I haven't seen anything new from Flayl... :[

 

[Enzo]

why did bowser not stay mid tier (obviously im asking for opinions from the bowser not BBR)

 

[Phiddlesticks]

no bowser players are placing in tournaments basically

 

[Cassius.]

basically because no one was really proving bowser's worth.

vex was pulling sans with bowser and moving him up, but then he stopped using him, and no one pulled the dead weight afterwards. i don't think any of us are really in the position to do so at the moment.

i know i have to wait about a year (finishing school) before i can really go national and things like that. literally all I can do is play in New York.

oh, and people thought he was the second worst character in the game. kinda helped.

 

[Enzo]

Depressing, bowser had some poitential

 

[B!squick]

why did bowser not stay mid tier (obviously im asking for opinions from the bowser not BBR)

See my signature.

EDIT: Why isn't it showing up? :/

EDIT2: Fine, be that way.

I see the bottom of the cast panning out about like this:

Low tier - Jigglypuff/Yoshi/Link/Lucas/Samus/Mario/Captain Falcon/Bowser
Ganon Tier - Ganondorf

EDIT3: And NOW it shows. D:<

 

[Hobobloke]

A few of us aren't located in the US either which doesn't help.

Smahboards made a fool of you Jay.

 

[B!squick]

It did. And may Mr. T pity me.

 

[CaLibUr_1337]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrq4kTH-Y80

Well that was ****. I noticed some really good SDI against the Down Smash. Which direction would have Vex been SDI'ing?

 

[Flayl]

Up.

10directions

 

[Zigsta]

So how do you guys like to practice GR timings?

 

[B!squick]

Anything that's not CPU or wifi related, really. I guess the best way is to find a friend with poor spacing habits so you have the most opportunities for grabs.

 

[Zigsta]

I wish there was a way to set a CPU to do nothing but airdodge in training mode. That would make it much easier to know if my timing's right. That and it wouldn't require a roomie to set aside time for me.

 

[B!squick]

Actually, you know what helps me? Alcohol. And I'm being totally serious here, no johns.

 

[Zigsta]

Alcohol tastes nasty to me. XD

It's all about water and Gatorade, baby.