KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Watching you in the shower made my day at Pound. 
/stalking
/creepy
/stalking
/creepy
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Kira's Sheik Videos [vs Zhu, MacD] 5.19.10
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MacD
Banned via Administration
i wanna make someones day 
don't think about it, just backthrow and nair asap. it'll always outprioritize, ALWAYS if you do it fast enough. It's similar timing to wavedashing onto the stage from the ledge. If you do it super quick you can ftilt and you'll still be invincible but a split second too slow and you'll get hit back off. OR like if you backthrow Falcon and they try to knee/nair back on the stage, if you hesitate for a split second you'll get hit but if you do it right away then ftilt goes through and you can dsmash to whatever you want to gimp. connor taught me that trick and you can basically cover every option that way, it's ridiculous. if they try to side B sweetspot you can fastfall and it'll hit, then double jump fair. But he says he took it from m2k so i dunno where the credit goes. ask connor to show you next tournament, it's seriously broken and nobody ever uses it, you'll look awesome when you pull it off.
Posting videos has nothing to do with attending tournaments =P
I'm mediocre but still good enough to take you out of brackets! Come to Irvine if you want to get at me =PDave's Sheik game is mediocre at best, real talk.
Seriously.
Dave, why didn't you go to SCSA? You were one of the people I wanted to playbeat.
Shroomed
Smash Master
i wanna learn how to play sheik guyz
so i can super CP some ppl
so i can super CP some ppl
djmirrorr
Smash Apprentice
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KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
This makes me sad..
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I exist to make people miserable.
Shroomed
Smash Master
i wish we played PALThis makes me sad..
u guys actually have a pretty balanced game
it's like street fighter and super street fighter
you guys have the upgraded, more balanced version of our game
which is why ur so good =D
we need to play some seriouslies next time!
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
chain throw makes me feel good inside.
MacD
Banned via Administration
lol well believe it, the record is like a lot-0 lovage if i remember correctly
soap
Smash Hero
what about mango's sheik?
i think he beat lucien too this past weekend
so basically there are no good sheiks on the west coast
east coast stole all the gaynesssss
I thought you played Melee? Cause if you did you would know that Mango never counts
dang...i think he beat lucien too this past weekend
so basically there are no good sheiks on the west coast
east coast stole all the gaynesssss
I thought you played Melee? Cause if you did you would know that Mango never counts
well when it happens i wanna see....
fox sheik is such an uphill battle imo. for sheik anyway
Quick comments on Fox:
- I gotta go all out to win, regardless of the Fox's skill level (as long as he has solid tech skill)
- I somehow do pretty good against Joey, makes no sense since he like ***** Amsah lol (sorry Amsah, overall you're still better than him tho). Except at R3 in Dec when I got annihilated
- I tech chased better than usual for some reason this set (i think)
Quick comment on ICs:
- I think the matchup isn't TOO bad, but I didn't think I was going to win with Sheik so I decided to test out another character instead. Also Dreamland would've been my best bet, so any other cp would have ***** me.
- I gotta go all out to win, regardless of the Fox's skill level (as long as he has solid tech skill)
- I somehow do pretty good against Joey, makes no sense since he like ***** Amsah lol (sorry Amsah, overall you're still better than him tho). Except at R3 in Dec when I got annihilated
- I tech chased better than usual for some reason this set (i think)
Quick comment on ICs:
- I think the matchup isn't TOO bad, but I didn't think I was going to win with Sheik so I decided to test out another character instead. Also Dreamland would've been my best bet, so any other cp would have ***** me.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Fox is a poopy pants.
His feet are made of bricks.
I feel kind of the same way. If a Fox has good technical skill and a touch of homosexuality, he's like automatically kind of a threat regardless of how much of an idiot they are.
His feet are made of bricks.
I feel kind of the same way. If a Fox has good technical skill and a touch of homosexuality, he's like automatically kind of a threat regardless of how much of an idiot they are.
Twin_A
Smash Champion
Watching you in the shower made my day at Pound.
/stalking
/creepy
Hit me up at apex then.i wanna make someones day
Good vids Kira
mr.fizwidget
Smash Champion
feel like quoting this
pockyD
Smash Legend
What do you think of kongo jungle vs ICs?
even bigger than dreamland (which is, i assume, why you like it)
higher platforms means better for camping ICs (they really really hate having to use their dj to reach the top platforms when you can then just run off it and hit them out - stops them from trying to uair poke you a lot)
also when the IC player gets on the higher platforms themselves, it's much harder for them to get down since they can't stairstep down like they would on most 3-platform stages
slanted ground letting you escape CGs
extra recovery options (with the top platform and barrel) that the IC player can't use effectively for the most part...
i like KJ64 vs almost everyone
Sounds perfect actually. Sadly I forgot about that stage during the first set. I sometimes completely blank on stuff like that, for example in the 3rd set I cp'd DK64 and forgot I could cp my character as well. So Fly went Fox and I stayed Puff -_- Then I fixed it in the next match.
I like that stage against everyone too, it's definitely the best Sheik stage there is. I have yet to try it against like Falcon and Peach though. I can see Peach working pretty well if you like running away and camping. Falcon might be good on it even though it's not bad for Sheik by any means, but I tend to pick smaller stages against Falcon because I just assume that I'm going to die once I'm off the stage so I'd rather limit his movement instead.
Also I just like Dreamland. The space probably has a lot to do with it, but I seem to do the best on that neutral in general. Against ICs I like it cause I won't get hit by random smashes and have bad DI and die early. Otherwise I'd pick smaller stages to limit their movement
Oh also I'd rather not go to DK64 against Puff. But yeah that's about it.
soap
Smash Hero
i actually like being able to grab puff on dk 64.
keep center stage with bairs, then u can grab them out of crouch off the slants. plus millions of needle camping options
keep center stage with bairs, then u can grab them out of crouch off the slants. plus millions of needle camping options
I just had a ton of videos recorded yesterday, my bracket went like this:
Winner's Bracket
Bye
Defeated PBS
Defeated Eric Ding
Lost to Fly Amanita
Loser's Bracket
Defeated S2J
Defeated Lucky
Defeated Lovage
Defeated Fly Amanita
Defeated MacD
Lost to Zhu
placed 2 out of 49
got recorded against PBS (somewhat lame sheik dittos, no cg), sMoke2Jointz (s2j), lovage, fly, macd, zhu. my set against lovage should not count for anything though, massive broken controller and pausing johns, we had to restart the last match so he could switch to a substitute controller and he did not play nearly as good. anyway, all the other sets are great except zhu ***** me but yea, when the matches get uploaded i will post them here
sadly lucky was not recorded, it was a GREAT set
Also lovage is tougher than lucky for me, i really dont get why, it's just different styles. i really believe i would have lost to lovage if the only controller he had ever used in his whole career didn't die on him. one of the few times i would say controller johns were legit
Winner's Bracket
Bye
Defeated PBS
Defeated Eric Ding
Lost to Fly Amanita
Loser's Bracket
Defeated S2J
Defeated Lucky
Defeated Lovage
Defeated Fly Amanita
Defeated MacD
Lost to Zhu
placed 2 out of 49
got recorded against PBS (somewhat lame sheik dittos, no cg), sMoke2Jointz (s2j), lovage, fly, macd, zhu. my set against lovage should not count for anything though, massive broken controller and pausing johns, we had to restart the last match so he could switch to a substitute controller and he did not play nearly as good. anyway, all the other sets are great except zhu ***** me but yea, when the matches get uploaded i will post them here
sadly lucky was not recorded, it was a GREAT set
Also lovage is tougher than lucky for me, i really dont get why, it's just different styles. i really believe i would have lost to lovage if the only controller he had ever used in his whole career didn't die on him. one of the few times i would say controller johns were legit
I would also like to thank Drephen randomly, because I started downsmashing more and I started winning more. I might not have done it exactly the same way, but he was definitely right about downsmash lol
Also. As much as I hate to say this, rolling is really good against Fox as Sheik.
Also. As much as I hate to say this, rolling is really good against Fox as Sheik.
Very very impressive =O.
Lookin forward to goin to Socal more and more now
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Lovage is gayer than Lucky.
Ha we actually had this discussion the night before the tourney. Mango and Lucky have this theory about Chess vs Checkers.. basically smart players play "Chess" (this would be your DSF's, your Azens, your Cactuars, etc.). They play to outsmart you. Then there's your Checker players, the ones who only know one direction: forward. They attack as fast as possible without thinking at all, they're the ones who run straight at you from across the stage and charge upsmash for no reason. It's hard to give good examples since most of the ones I'd use are Socal players; I think on a national scale all the known players are basically chess players. Maybe Chillindude plays checkers.
Anyway we make fun of Lovage for being a Checkers player.. but they do win cause they get away with stuff that usually shouldn't work and they don't fall for mindgames so you don't know what they're gonna do cause they never make sense lol. You can't outsmart a checkers player.. it's too simple! haha
Lucky gave me the best compliment I've ever heard lol. He told me, "Ah I realized I can't out-think you so I just try to go crazy technical so it's less reading and more speed/tech skill." So that was ****.. but then it kinda worked so that was gay.
So I wrote all of this just to tell you, KK you're right, Lovage plays gay. But that usually equates to good.
Mechanics vs Adaptation.
Sorta?
I know what you mean though. Maybe its why I lose to Eggm so often
Sorta?
I know what you mean though. Maybe its why I lose to Eggm so often
Yeah pretty much, you could also say it's "playing the matchup correctly" (good overall gameplan) vs "reading your opponent" (adaptation as you said, or creativity)
Anyway, I really think learning how to play checkers is key for me to get better. I notice there are times where I need to do a move faster rather than try to read them better. It seems kind of lame to think that the smartest player might not always win, but I think it makes sense cause you'll be moving more frame perfect instead of being late on stuff. There are so many options in smash, it's impossible to cover all of them, so just cover one of them WELL rather than covering all of them in a mediocre way. I dunno, I think I'm starting to get a hang of where/how to apply it.
I would say MacD is another checkers player. Recently he's stepped it up and gotten a LOT smarter, but his style is still checkers at the base. You could rag on it like I used to, but there's really no benefit to that at all; it works for him and I should be trying to learn why and emulating it rather than blowing it off as if it isn't a legitimate playstyle.
Edit - Also I wanted to say that it's not just Checkers vs Chess; they ARE smart but just in a different way. You can't be good at smash without being smart, it's just that we don't play by the same set of priorities. Usually chess players play the basics of the game, while checker players kind of abuse priorities and gay moves and stuff.. even though that's what chess players do sometimes too. It's kind of hard to describe exactly what makes a checkers player, but I'm sure you guys can think of a few yourselves.
Mmm also when a checkers player misses an attack, they do another attack to cover it. Chess players tend to be more defensive, since they know that they're at a disadvantage and don't try to challenge it.
Chess players' downfall is that they tend to overthink situations and that leads to them hesitating for even the smallest split second (or being scared since they give their opponent too much credit), while checkers players would act immediately which often works to their benefit. However checkers players don't change up quickly enough and often throw out risky moves that have high payoff. Chess players are much safer.
Anyway, I really think learning how to play checkers is key for me to get better. I notice there are times where I need to do a move faster rather than try to read them better. It seems kind of lame to think that the smartest player might not always win, but I think it makes sense cause you'll be moving more frame perfect instead of being late on stuff. There are so many options in smash, it's impossible to cover all of them, so just cover one of them WELL rather than covering all of them in a mediocre way. I dunno, I think I'm starting to get a hang of where/how to apply it.
I would say MacD is another checkers player. Recently he's stepped it up and gotten a LOT smarter, but his style is still checkers at the base. You could rag on it like I used to, but there's really no benefit to that at all; it works for him and I should be trying to learn why and emulating it rather than blowing it off as if it isn't a legitimate playstyle.
Edit - Also I wanted to say that it's not just Checkers vs Chess; they ARE smart but just in a different way. You can't be good at smash without being smart, it's just that we don't play by the same set of priorities. Usually chess players play the basics of the game, while checker players kind of abuse priorities and gay moves and stuff.. even though that's what chess players do sometimes too. It's kind of hard to describe exactly what makes a checkers player, but I'm sure you guys can think of a few yourselves.
Mmm also when a checkers player misses an attack, they do another attack to cover it. Chess players tend to be more defensive, since they know that they're at a disadvantage and don't try to challenge it.
Chess players' downfall is that they tend to overthink situations and that leads to them hesitating for even the smallest split second (or being scared since they give their opponent too much credit), while checkers players would act immediately which often works to their benefit. However checkers players don't change up quickly enough and often throw out risky moves that have high payoff. Chess players are much safer.
TheZhuKeeper
Smash Champion
****it I'm not even sure what I am anymore! >(
Definitely chess, but you used to be checkers. For example I believe that the way you use dash attack to catch rolls is a checkers habit. A chess player would wait and punish it with like an fsmash or shine or uptilt, something more definitive. The way you use it is more out of reaction, like it's the only move that will get there in time. But yeah most of your style definitely moved to chess, this started happening when Mango first told you that you were dumb and you wanted to be on the WC crew for Genesis.
Also I believe KoreanDJ was a checkers player. The way Ken talked about playing against his style practically confirms it. He would say that playing against KDJ was random. Like when Ken played M2K, they would always try to out-think each other, but KDJ would just do random attacks that wouldn't make sense to Ken. But it worked because KDJ took action quickly- this is better than waiting and not attacking. Not that you should attack as fast as possible at all times, but you have the advantage when you're attacking as opposed to waiting.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I'm not sure I agree with this.
Namely because my style tries to play Solitaire.
Namely because my style tries to play Solitaire.
xbombr
Smash Ace
Solitaire is good, it means that your opponent can't do ****.
I wish I could be that good.
I wish I could be that good.
Twin_A
Smash Champion
I actually like this analogy, but what would you call it for those fox's/falco's that are purely tech skill and no mindgames? Highly aggressive but pure autopilot.
Solitaire... so KK you're telling me that the later into the night it gets, the more addicting you become? Not only that but staying up late with you will result in 1 minute sessions that will either leave me smiling or crying (and coming back for more either way)?
Wow now I can't wait for Apex
Or is it just that to beat you requires skill about also a decent amount of luck?