KGD - The Kewkky Thread! - Kirby's Wasteland: Dead Social

[Wumbo105]

Tough crowd there, Poyo. Good try, and you get just even better for merely having played with the likes of them.

 

[t!MmY]

Making it into brackets is great, especially at a tough tourney like SKTAR. Congrats! :D

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

Still disappointed, especially now looking at the results and I was MD/VA's lowest place in the bracket. =/

My Kirby was actually playing really good this weekend, better than my MK and it's VERY VERY rare that my Kirby plays better than my MK (my MK was playing bad this weekend, but it is because I spent most of this week practicing Kirby and neglecting MK), but I didn't use him in bracket though just cause Jband has ICs so it would've been risky to go Kirby vs him. I SHOULD'VE went Kirby game 2 after I knew he was staying MK but Sin (who was coaching me) convinced me to stay MK and I got ***** (low percent 1-stock, but still **** IMO).

Then I played False who is a Snake and I'm really confident in MK vs Snake so I went MK vs him. I feel I would've won if my MK was in more practice (my decision making was pretty bad, I attacked his shield way too much, I tried going for jump behind to grab more than once even after he punished it the first time, etc. My decision making with MK was just really poor this weekend).

So yeah... I don't really know what to say, although I think I could've taken Jband to game 3 at least if I went Kirby game 2. I would've lost the set anyway due to having to switch back to MK game 3 anyway (ICs is just too risky to go Kirby against). I also feel I could've beat False game 3. He had 2-stocks 0% to my 1-stock 0% then I managed to get a uair string to tornado 0-death on him as well as get a tornado on his last stock to get a 12% lead but then... I just went too aggro and tried getting more percent and getting punished for not using more thought out moves.

At least I can say Kirby really did help me make it to bracket at least (my performance in bracket doesn't even matter since I didn't even win one set, just a game). Sad I didn't use him in bracket but like I said, at best Kirby would've only helped me get a game against Jband and I'm far better at MK vs Snake than Kirby vs Snake, so I don't think Kirby would've helped me beat False. Although maybe I'm wrong just cause decision-making wise, my Kirby was doing a lot more thought out moves cause I was practicing him more this week whereas my MK was doing a lot of bad habits due to not practicing him as much as Kirby (not gonna say I didn't practice MK at all, but I practiced Kirby way more).

Well, I got two replays of my Kirby which I should be uploading later today or tomorrrow. One is a Kirby ditto friendly of me vs Gh0st on Halberd which was pretty funny and another is my Kirby game 3 vs Mav in pools.

 

[t!MmY]

Don't be disappointed simply because of your placement, it sounds like you did really well in the games you played. Also, now you know that when you practice up your Kirby that you should also do a little bit of practice with specific match-ups (like going MK vs Snake and ICs). Having any counterpick characters ready to go is an important part of competitive play, especially for Kirby players who run into really hard match-ups from tournament characters like Olimar, Ice Climbers, etc.

I'm fortunate that I know the Snake match-up well enough that I can use any of my mains for that match-up (Kirby, Dedede, and Meta Knight). It really helps when you win 1st round and you don't know if they're going to switch out of Snake or not. I just played against my state's best Snake a couple weekends back and got the replay saved - it was a really fun match. I'd love to upload it but I'd have to find someone with a video capture to record it for me.

It sounds like you've 'leveled up' from this tournament, and it will show the next time you play. Until then I'm sure all of us here are looking forward to seeing those replays you got.

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

Yeah, I think my Kirby is decent vs Snake, but I LOVE MK vs Snake (it's actually my favorite MU in the game), so MK was definitely the better choice. I got game 3 to be even with us both on last stock and even a short lead for a bit, I don't have the character to blame for losing, just myself for my impatience.

Also, the replays ARE up in case anyone wants to see them. XD


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6uA8RaQ-f4

Kirby ditto of me vs Gh0st. Don't judge how I play the Kirby ditto too much from this, this game was just saved cause of the funny ending. In most of the matches I was B-Reverse Inhaling Gh0st A LOT (like 90% of my B-Reverse Inhales would connect), I didn't save any of those, though. But this game is rather funny too. XD


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odyk4NCSxNw

Me vs M@v game 3 in pools. The only parts I feel I played that were noticably bad were the f-smash happy parts (like I've said in previous posts, I kinda do that when I'm nervous, but I also got good f-smashes on the first and last stock, so they make up for the bad ones. The one on first stock was on reaction to the mis-spaced dair and the last stock one was when I saw he was at the ledge. I figured unless he spaced a dair perfectly as well as me mis-timing my f-smash, I'd either hit him or not, but I wouldn't get punished unless I messed up. I didn't read that airdodge, but I did indeed read/think out that f-smash which is why it was charged instead of whiffed like a lot of my other ones.) and trying to recover in some parts. I'm horrible when trying to recover, as Kirby OR MK (with MK, it's just in the ditto though, I have trouble landing with Kirby in a lot of MUs).

Wish I coulda got more replays, but I couldn't get many friendlies and I didn't save my bracket sets as they were played on non-hacked Wiis.

 

[Luco]

Sorry, I just remembered the player i'd forgotten. i was stupid to have forgotten it too. Trela put Lucario in top 8.

 

[t!MmY]

I enjoyed watching the replay of you vs Mav, Poyo. Kirby vs Meta Knight matches are always fun to watch. That Shuttle Loop taking out the first stock shows how scary Meta Knight can be off-stage. It's a good thing Mav didn't get you into that position very much, because it's a strong position for Meta Knight to be in. Don't worry about being 'F-smash happy' because it looked like it worked out to your advantage. You just have to remember to use it when it works, and not use it when it doesn't.

 

[Vinylic.]

Like reading their rolls and side dodge.

 

[Lord Viper]

Now that Kirby Anniversary is coming out soon, I will replay every Kirby main series then the spinoffs and place with is the best to worst of the games. As being a Kirby fan boy I will also buy Kirby Anniversary just to collect it. =D ★

 

[yoshi8984]

I just got Kirby's Return to Dreamland. Loving it XD

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

Now that Kirby Anniversary is coming out soon, I will replay every Kirby main series then the spinoffs and place with is the best to worst of the games. As being a Kirby fan boy I will also buy Kirby Anniversary just to collect it. =D ★

I actually downloaded and played the Japanese ISO today, it's really fun! :D

Unfortunately... Something's wrong with the ISO and every time I try to load one of the games, it goes back to the Wii Menu. ;_;

I was able to view the gallery at least and play the challenge stages which was a fun two hours. XD

Yeah, despite my Wii not being able to read discs anyway, I'll buy it when it comes out in America anyway, it's definitely something I want to have as a Kirby fan! -^_^-

 

[Vinylic.]

Whoo, had some good friendlies today. Mostly played lucario and Lucas since my sister and 3 others we're irritated with my main, lol. I had played one match with my friend AJ, which surprisingly almost took a whole 7 minutes to finish (except when I play Kirby). I thought him some extra things with him on lucas about shorthopping attacks and telling him that his pivot grab is the fastest than any of the two and he should consider doing that more often.

I played tatsunoko once more and started mashing buttons. Got a little tired of losing, so I looked up on roll's moveset. I wanna do those ground/air/team combos too, so I should look on that too.

For now though, giant robots.

 

[~automatic]

PTX-40 is insane with meter. Gold Raitaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan can suck a fatty tho. JunChun and MorriSwan are (were now I guess) my teams for TvC.

EDIT: It's a fun game. Better than SFxTekken.

 

[t!MmY]

It's all about the Viewtiful Joe.

 

[Kmatt]

I wish one of those many "X vs Capcom" games had megaman.exe in there. His games were da shiz. I remember my friend (wait for it) Bill and I would sit out on my back porch late into summer nights having link battles. That was our Pokemon before we got Pokemon.

 

[Kappy]

OMG, Kmatt, I didn't know you were a fan of the MMBN series! That's my favorite series! I was so competitive in those back in the day. LOL. And I'm totally with you on the wish for MegaMan.EXE to be in one of those fighting games. I'd play it in a heart beat!

 

[Wumbo105]

OMG, Kmatt, I didn't know you were a fan of the MMBN series! That's my favorite series! I was so competitive in those back in the day. LOL. And I'm totally with you on the wish for MegaMan.EXE to be in one of those fighting games. I'd play it in a heart beat!

Are u guys frickn kidding me?! The Battle Network series suckes all kinds of ostrich eggs, and disgraces Megaman's name by having it on the box.

 

[Kappy]

I like the Battle Network series more than the classic series. Keep hatin', Wumbo

 

[t!MmY]

When will people realize that people can like whatever game they want. The game doesn't have to be great, it only matters if you enjoyed playing it or not.

Wouldn't it be awesome to love every game as though it were your favorite game no matter how bad it is? XD

 

[Vinylic.]

Quoting my own post from a private room becuase I can. And I mostly did this because Tim's pretty much right.

A wise man once said, "It may be junk to you, but it ain't junk to everybody."

 

[Wumbo105]

Hey, I'm all for people playing what they wanna play. But holy crap, it's just night and day.
It pretty much went down the same road as past greats such as Sonic...Banjo Kazooie...Final Fantasy. Where it's damn near scientific fact that the recent games are just gutter trash compared to the highs it has reached before.
I just can't see how any person of sound and rational mind can say that Battle Network phooey is anywhere near the same lvl as Megaman 1-9 and Megaman X-X6.

I'm sorry if I seem a bit maniacal with this, I'm just an avid classic game aficionado, and it hit close to home.

 

[~automatic]

I'm somewhere between Wumbo and T1mmy.

To each his/her own but like, why do some people like garbage?

 

[t!MmY]

I'm sorry if I seem a bit maniacal with this, I'm just an avid classic game aficionado, and it hit close to home.

We're of like minds; I'm a HUGE classic game lover.

Spoiler

I got home at 2am this morning after playing retro games down at the local gaming hub all night. XD

We probably have the same opinions on a lot of things, but one thing I've learned is to let people enjoy the games they enjoy.

I used to be full of sass when it came to my opinion on games (people who are vastly knowledgeable in a subject tend to do this), but recently I've found out it's best just to rejoice in being gamers together instead of letting opinions divide us.

Yes, some games are 'better' than others... some games are complete garbage. I don't have to play it if I don't want to, but if someone out there has fun with it then I just consider them that much better of a gamer than me. XD

 

[Wumbo105]

I wish I had tolerance like that. I guess I just wanna figure out what makes certain people like terrible games, and whether or not they know what a good game is.
A person who only eats McDonalds burgers maybe are unaware of the filet mignon they're missing out on, and say the burgers are great because they have nothing to compare it to.

 

[falln]

in a world where burgers are pretty easy to come by that sounds pretty tight

cypher 4lyfe

 

[Kappy]

Wumbo, you won't be able to ever figure that out. You're trying to figure out something entirely subjective.

Why do you think McDonald's hamburgers are bad? Is it because they're unhealthy? If that's your argument, then a lot of food that you would probably consider to be 'good-tasting' is 'bad' because it's unhealthy. Or, could it be that you don't like how McDonald's burgers taste, and someone else does. At that, you can't make any reasonable argument as to how McDonald's burgers are worse - you just simply don't like them.

What if that one person who has never had filet mignon tries it and prefers McDonald's over it? It certainly doesn't mean they have 'bad' taste, because as I just elaborated on, you can't say that without it sounding like you're trying to assert your statement as a fact, which it clearly is not. It's an opinion. Unless you can prove that filet mignon is definitively better than a McDonald's hamburger, an opinion is all it's going to be.

Maybe it's because you know how McDonald's burgers are made and are disgusted at that, but I think a lot of other places prepare their food and get them in ways you wouldn't expect. Of course, we know for sure about McDonald's because it's fast food and people have put out documentaries because of how unhealthy it is, but have you ever considered it to be the case somewhere else and just no one's said anything? I'm not saying that's the case, but it could be.

People ask me how I can and cannot like certain things all the time: my choice of music, books, movies, food, games... and I always tell them that it's entirely subjective. It's "I think", not "It is". Who are you to assert whether something I like is good or bad and present that assertion as a fact? How is what you think is good or bad the definitive scale on which to judge quality?

TL;DR - You're never going to figure out why people like 'terrible' games because your scale for a terrible game isn't the same for someone else, and it's wrong to think otherwise.

 

[falln]

well hold on now

mcdonalds is pretty objectively ****ty and ****ty for you

 

[~automatic]

Why have McDonalds when you can have anything else?

 

[falln]

i wonder if anyone else in this board even has access to in n out

 

[~automatic]

Aaaand that's why I edited my post, lolz.

 

[Kappy]

McDonald's is super-bad for you, I know that. LOL. But if McDonald's was objectively bad when it comes to enjoying its food (which means there had to be some sort of study with real results and data - an opinion poll means nothing because popularity has nothing to do with how good or bad it is because a majority of people could like something 'bad'), then I can't see how it's still in business. No one would go if it were objectively bad. LOL. It'd be rationally unsound to ever go to McDonald's if its food was objectively bad in taste. You'd be defying the facts by eating there!

McDonald's is a really bad example, though. I'm sure anyone who uses an apple and an orange instead of McDonald's and a filet mignon would have a much clearer view of what I'm saying.

 

[Wumbo105]

The point I was trying to make is that filet mignon is factually a higher quality and more prized food than a burger (and I meant just any ol' burger, I just used McDonald's because its recognizable).

I never said you HAVE to like the good games and hate the bad games. It's fine to enjoy bad games, more power to ya. But you have to recognize that even though you don't like it as much as the other one, it IS the better game, subjective or not.
Liking something more than the other doesn't make it it's superior.

 

[Vinylic.]

It's fine to enjoy anything you actually like, even if it's good or bad. It's based on thier own thoughts and opinions.

You think it's superior and everyone does, but you will notice that there will always be other people who consider to like another game better than the game you like, even if you think the game they're playing is bad.

Every person will always have a different aspect as everyone cannot ever be exactly the same together.

 

[WindMajor]

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater is objectively the greatest video game on the planet, and the pinnacle of human achievement.

 

[Luco]

McDonald's is super-bad for you, I know that. LOL. But if McDonald's was objectively bad when it comes to enjoying its food (which means there had to be some sort of study with real results and data - an opinion poll means nothing because popularity has nothing to do with how good or bad it is because a majority of people could like something 'bad'), then I can't see how it's still in business. No one would go if it were objectively bad. LOL. It'd be rationally unsound to ever go to McDonald's if its food was objectively bad in taste. You'd be defying the facts by eating there!

McDonald's is a really bad example, though. I'm sure anyone who uses an apple and an orange instead of McDonald's and a filet mignon would have a much clearer view of what I'm saying.

Well I hear that McDonalds has an addictive thing with fast food, kinda like cigarettes. Come to think of it, many smokers say they hate the actual taste of cigarettes. :o

 

[Kappy]

That's why McDonald's is a bad example, Luco. LOL. And Twinkie pretty much made my case for me. LOL.

You're right, Wumbo, liking something more than something else doesn't make it superior: so you liking classic MegaMan more doesn't make it superior to Battle Network.

What you need to understand is that what you think is a bad game and what I think is a bad game are probably very much different, and that's why it's wrong to say a game is good or bad.

Oh, and I looked up that filet mignon is just a different cut of meat from cows. LOL. It is higher quality, but that's why it's more expensive, so you were right about that.

 

[t!MmY]

A 'good' game and a 'bad' game are sort of moot. People play games for entertainment, so the only thing that matters is whether or not they enjoy it. Come to think of it, I've played really bad games that I laughed at and enjoyed playing simply because they were bad. There are also games that I could call 'good' but bore the stuffing out of me.

@Off-Topic
I've had plenty of opportunity to eat at In-and-Out and will only say that it was disappointing and below my standards. The best places I've eaten at have never been franchised, but rather independently-owned restaurants (usually a family-owned and operated restaurant).

 

[Kewkky]

I liked Megaman Network Transmissions for the GCN.


I do agree that the recent console games that have been releasing haven't caught my attention at all, the last ones being Falout 3 and Skyrim simply because of the size of the world and amount of quests and exploration you can do. But pretty much every other game is a snore. I personally was looking forward to FFXIII-Versus due to how the gameplay was looking to be, but now it's a surefire thing that it's cancelled and its resources are going to be used for FFXV (wonder how that will look like).

My favorite games of all time are:

*Super Mario World (those tight controls!),
*Fallout 2 (revolutionary, was waaaaay ahead of its time, its THE **** and I love everything about it),
*Lost Kingdoms series (due to the strategy behind top-level multiplayer games once you enable the "Ban the OP cards" option... Really wish it had a third sequel),
*Kirby Air Ride (super fast-paced multiplayer fun), and
*Melee (best "fighting" game ever, I love having my mind on edge and multitasking on paying attention to surroundings, execution of movement techniques and spacing/footsies, and the opponent's actions).

 

[Wumbo105]

That's why McDonald's is a bad example, Luco. LOL. And Twinkie pretty much made my case for me. LOL.

You're right, Wumbo, liking something more than something else doesn't make it superior: so you liking classic MegaMan more doesn't make it superior to Battle Network.

What you need to understand is that what you think is a bad game and what I think is a bad game are probably very much different, and that's why it's wrong to say a game is good or bad.

Oh, and I looked up that filet mignon is just a different cut of meat from cows. LOL. It is higher quality, but that's why it's more expensive, so you were right about that.

You're correct as well, the classic Megaman is not superior because I like it. It's superior for multiple other reasons. I just happen to like the higher-quality game, and you happen to like the lower one (I like filet mignon, you like burgers).
There's a a big difference between preferring a certain game and seeing that game as a greater one than other, and I think you're accidentally fusing these 2 differences together. Preference and the quality of a game are independent and completely separate from each other. The quality never changes, no matter who's eyes look at it, while preference is the subjective aspect you are aiming at.

 

[Kmatt]

I don't think you can really compare the BN series vs classic because other than the player character being a little blue man with a gun hand, they're completely different genres.

I still remember the first link battle we had after he got the game (BN3). He had 120 hp, I had 260.

BATTLE START

*stepsword*

KMATT WINS

The look of "dafuq" on his face was priceless.