KGD - The Kewkky Thread! - Kirby's Wasteland: Dead Social

[Kewkky]

On a serious note, ZSS is just a very fun character to play with. She's actually good, as well as combo-friendly and you feel really cool when you awe people with your awesome maneuvers, fast finger action, and attractive comboing potential for a game like Brawl (where legit 3-or-higher hit combos are pretty rare)... It's definitely her speed that attracts people to her, and her having a very good MU spread helps even more.

 

[Triple R]

Well, can't say I can really argue against what anyone has said lol. ZSS is fun too lol

 

[fromundaman]

Agreed with all of the above. Mine sucks though.

 

[Sage JoWii]

I've played Dojo and Infinity, TXs best MKs, and I have to say, there's no way around a correctly played MK unless you get lucky. I think that holds true for any MK that plays the match up correctly. But with the exception of M2K, Dojo, Tyrant and probably the other 10-20 elite MKs that aren't as well known, MK users generally aren't perfect. FAR from it.

If you just wanna win your local regional, learn the MU and perfect your application of the info. If you wanna win nationals, pickup MK or pick up a secondary to beat MK.

 

[Asdioh]

Thinking of metaknight. I'm surprised the metas in the matchup thread think it's total ****. I know it's bad, but it never seems that bad. When will everyone realize how good kirby is >: ( lol

It's not that Kirby is bad, it's just that Meta Knight is THAT good.

Actually, the BBR members brought a very important point in the MK Debate thread... Considering the BBR's Recommended Ruleset, MK is allowed to plank and scrooge as much as he desires. If this is so, then we are ruined in the MU.

We've had it easy because every single MK we've faced has been 'honorable' in that they don't play THAT gay, even though they can if there's lots of money on the line... But if we find a gay MK, what then? We can't get through planking or scrooging, we fall too slow, run too slow, and most we can do is get him to leave the ledge and try to gimp us by jumping off-stage.

Actually, DMG's planking info thread proved that MK's planking is literally unbeatable.

I think MK should definitely be banned, and this is from someone that was on the fence for a long time :/

Also come on... ZSS is really more of a secondary for YBM. He started playing her more both to prove something and to change it up a bit, if I remember correctly. He's still a real Kirby main through and through.

My last two tourneys he played me in pools first one and in bracket second one... he used ZSS both times. He's scurrrred of Kirby dittos
Actually, the last tourney on March 6th had our match on livestream. There were only like 6 viewers though...

I'm glad I'm playing Fox more seriously though. It's odd how Fox is so low on the tier list, yet he has at least even matchups with a lot of top tiers, like Dedede, Snake, uh, some others. I know I'd rather use Fox than Kirby against Marth :/

And also the same against ZSS. ZSS just ***** Kirby. It's probably not 70-30 or anything but it definitely feels in her favor. ZSS has long been considered a "hard counter" for Fox because she can Dsmash combo the crap out of him, but recently the matchup people agreed it's in Fox's favor o_O just avoid the Dsmash.. I'm going to have to try this

If you wanna win nationals, pickup MK or pick up a secondary to beat MK.

and fixed

 

[~automatic]

Pa eso estoy aquí! Ahora la coneja esa no me puede decir NADA porque YO soy el moderador, y ella es solamente un miembro de la comunidad!

Uhh... I can't think of a single 'stereotypical spanish-speaker' phrase.

jajaj pues que bueno que hayas subido al poder en un foro. XD
La coneja es bien cool, lo malo que la universidad no la deja hacer nada. Extraño hablar de cosas raras con ella en Pikaxat o AIM.

Also there isn't a stereotypical Spanish speaker phrase. It would depend on the nationality. You know how the Spanish people say "hostia tio" or Cubans say "oye chico."

Actually, DMG's planking info thread proved that MK's planking is literally unbeatable.

Who said MK's planking was beatable. Pika can probably hit MK with a jolt if the MK messes up (totally not happening at a pro level) but that's it.

 

[fromundaman]

Asdioh... I think I'd rather use Mario against Marth than Kirby. That MU just feels horrible... (Well, both do, but yeah...)

Heh, I think the main thing keeping Fox down is that he doesn't seem to have reliable kill setups, his weight, and Pikachu.

 

[WindMajor]

la coneja esa no me puede decir NADA porque YO soy el moderador

This should be the name of the thread.

 

[Asdioh]

It's so much easier for me to get KOs with Fox than with Kirby.

SO MUCH EASIER.

edit:

la coneja esa no me puede decir NADA porque YO soy el moderador

the something you can't say ANYTHING because I am the moderator

 

[fromundaman]

Is it? I don't have that much trouble getting them myself. What are Fox's kill setups? I'll admit I'm not too knowledgeable about him.

 

[WindMajor]

the something you can't say ANYTHING because I am the moderator

You're almost there.....

 

[Asdioh]

The ever popular Downair->Upsmash, jab jab Shine, techchase Upsmash at high %, simple Bairs (I'm good at using Bair thanks to Kirby experience, I guess... Fox's is faster, stronger as a kill move, but harder to control, since it has a lot of ending lag in the air like Kirby's Nair)

Fox is good at gimping with Shine... Upair is a good kill move since Fox freaking zooms into the sky so fast and Uair comes out so fast..

Also, lasers are good for refreshing kill moves better than Kirby's pummel could ever hope

Fox is so underrated

 

[TaterSalad0811]

I play Fox a bit too, though I still can't seem to find a 2nd to stick with.

Pa eso estoy aquí! Ahora la coneja esa no me puede decir NADA porque YO soy el moderador, y ella es solamente un miembro de la comunidad!

jajaj pues que bueno que hayas subido al poder en un foro. XD
La coneja es bien cool, lo malo que la universidad no la deja hacer nada. Extraño hablar de cosas raras con ella en Pikaxat o AIM.

GAAH!!! MAKE IT STOP!!

And MH: Tri=Hype. I even heard they might ditch the FC system altogether and use a more 360-esque online.

 

[Mr.Freeman]

The spanish speaking is making me feel bad for being Mexican and not learning Espanol.

 

[WindMajor]

A seguir hablando en Español!

 

[TaterSalad0811]

a Seguir Hablando En Español!

Ggrrr... I Don't Speak Mexican...

 

[~Shao~]

No one speaks mexican, people in Mexico speak spanish. Ironic huh?

 

[Kewkky]

Ggrrr... I Don't Speak Mexican...

But the mexican language is all the rage these days between poets and politicians! How can you not know how to speak mexican?

 

[TaterSalad0811]

I'm just not good at it.

Nice title quote, btw.

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ Authority tier list in the Kirby boards, YEA! We can finally perform this, GO! GO! GO! GO! =3 ☆

 

[Ninja Kirby Nick!]

It's been awhile since I've been here. By that, I mean...3 days.

I thought this board was locked since I was unaware of the title change >_>.

 

[A1lion835]

If Canadian is a language, why can't Mexican be one too?

 

[WindMajor]

Because American isn't a language.

 

[~Shao~]

Does anyone else speak Brazilian here?

Also, it's nice to see thes Kirby Boards isn't dead anymore.

 

[Arcade]

Because American isn't a language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji2UoU0rUX0

 

[MikeKirby]

The spanish speaking is making me feel bad for being Mexican and not learning Espanol.

O_O you can't be serious. Hahaha, dang that sucks man.

But the mexican language is all the rage these days between poets and politicians! How can you not know how to speak mexican?

Are you serious??? Where have I been???

I am Mexican, I speak spanish but I don't understand squat what they'd be tawkin' bout but at least they understand me.

Oh and just to say hi to the community! I just lurk around...

*Sits in the corner watching and listening

 

[fromundaman]

The ever popular Downair->Upsmash, jab jab Shine, techchase Upsmash at high %, simple Bairs (I'm good at using Bair thanks to Kirby experience, I guess... Fox's is faster, stronger as a kill move, but harder to control, since it has a lot of ending lag in the air like Kirby's Nair)

Fox is good at gimping with Shine... Upair is a good kill move since Fox freaking zooms into the sky so fast and Uair comes out so fast..

Also, lasers are good for refreshing kill moves better than Kirby's pummel could ever hope

Fox is so underrated

These are good points, but... Dair>Usmash is about as reliable as Kirby's Dair>Fsmash, by which I mean it can be shielded.

Jab>jab>shine isn't a kill setup.

Techchasing... well, that's not really a kill setup either. A lot of characters can tech-chase for a kill, and to my knowledge Fox isn't better than anyone else at causing that scenario.

Fox's Bair is faster? What exactly do you mean by that, because I'm pretty sure Kirby's Bair comes out faster. That being said, yes, it is a good killing move, but is it as easy to land?
Uair too is a good kill move, I agree, but isn't it a two hit move like Falco's that you can SDI? Also, it's kind of easy to see coming (though I'll admit not as easy to avoid).

Shine gimps, yeah, that's true. On the flipside, Kirby is awesome at gimping as well.

Lasers do refresh moves better, I'll admit. That being said, pummels refresh moves really well as well, so I don't think it makes a huge difference, not to mention pummels can't be blocked (though lasers require no setup and are safer).

I'm not saying Fox is bad, but it really does seem from what you said that Kirby has more kill setups/options. Meh, I dunno... feels that way any way. I wouldn't say he's underrated per se though. He's a great character who's weight/fall speed and vertical recovery is keeping him down. I mean, pretty much any gay thing you can think of works on him.

 

[Asdioh]

Fox is fast.

...that's really all I need to say. Kirby would be so much better if he had any speed.

Kirby's Bair probably does come out faster, I'm just saying fox's is good for KOs since it's usually fresh and is safe on shield if you space it, and his falling speed actually helps him pressure better. Dair->upsmash is a lot more guaranteed than Kirby's Dair->Fsmash. Jab Jab shine might not setup, but a shine by itself at high % knocks them down, if they don't tech it it's easy to techchase with Fox's speed and upsmash.

Pummels are bad at refreshing because getting grabs is oftentimes very risky.

 

[fromundaman]

Yeah, Fox is fast... so is Sonic. That doesn't mean he kills well.
And yeah, Kirby would be beastly with Fox's speed.

How is Dair>Usmash 'a lot more guaranteed'? I mean, that doesn't even make sense... either something is or isn't guaranteed. Also, in both cases, just holding the shield button will stop it. However, in Kirby's case, he can get the bouncing animation on the Dair at higher percents, making Fsmash a safe/guaranteed follow-up.

Ummm... how are getting grabs riskier than anything else? I mean, riskier than lasers, hell yes. That's no contest. Riskier than any of our other moves? Not really. Not to mention we have a really good grab, as well as a good pummel.

 

[Sage JoWii]

>_> You guys got five weeks til the Kirby-Fox matchup.

I hope I see you both in the exported MU thread.

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ Still love to kill Fox with all my characters. =3 ☆

 

[A1lion835]

I want Kirby-Snake discussed. When is that? D:

 

[Sage JoWii]

Next week-ish? As long as we get enough discussion in the export of Metaknight, I believe we can start Snake promptly Monday next week.

 

[A1lion835]

Yay!

Snake is one of the (the only?) matchups I actually know well enough to be a good contributor to the discussion.

 

[Sage JoWii]

If you wanna check when people are coming up for discussion just go to the homepage, find smash tactical discussion, character rankings (post-february 2010). Start @ MK, which was this week and then count each character as a week until you find what you're looking for. OR start @ peach and do the same.

Snake is next to MK so, next week is his discussion time.

this logic will uphold until one sad, sad week...there isn't enough discussion over the character under discussion. ;_; Then we'll be off.

 

[Asdioh]

I mean, riskier than lasers, hell yes. That's no contest.

That's what I was talking about. @_@

I barely ever Dair->Fsmash with Kirby because, quite frankly, his Dair comes out slower and is more predictable than Fox's, and I also find my Fsmash being shielded and punished a lot when I do that. Fox can shinestall before Dairing, which makes it harder to predict, it comes out faster, and if I don't think Upsmash will be safe I can grab instead.

I don't really want to argue about it, I just enjoy playing Fox, while my Kirby is still good but feels boring and slow and predictable @_@

 

[Berserker.]

Ooooh

Lots of things changed in the kirby boards. Kewkky is the new mod and their is a new MU discussion :D

 

[T1MMY]

Fox's D-air actually combos into U-smash at higher percents (generally over 120%). At lower percents you can combo into Jab or U-tilt which builds up damage. In comparison, Kirby's D-air has a lot more start-up, doesn't guarentee a combo into a F-smash unless it trips (which is almost never), and is much easier to punish out of shield. Combine this with the difference in movement speed and it's easy to see how Fox's D-air has much more utility than Kirby's. Although Kirby's D-air >>>> Fox's for epic Meteor Smash to Footstool. :D

 

[TaterSalad0811]

Don't you mean the D-TILT that trips? Never seen a D-air that trips.

 

[fromundaman]

That's what I was talking about. @_@

I barely ever Dair->Fsmash with Kirby because, quite frankly, his Dair comes out slower and is more predictable than Fox's, and I also find my Fsmash being shielded and punished a lot when I do that. Fox can shinestall before Dairing, which makes it harder to predict, it comes out faster, and if I don't think Upsmash will be safe I can grab instead.

I don't really want to argue about it, I just enjoy playing Fox, while my Kirby is still good but feels boring and slow and predictable @_@

Heh, no worries, I was just trying to figure out where the killing thing came from. I know what you mean about enjoying the character though, and yeah, Kirby feels slow compared to pretty much all my other characters except Ganon. That being said, playing Mario has helped me play kirby faster, so ehhh... One of my opponents actually thought Kirby was faster in the air than Lucario the first time we played due to the way I was playing (I still suck though).

Next time I see you Fox vs Mario friendlies?


T!mmy, is it a true combo into Fsmash? I thought Fox's Dair only true comboed into jab, Shine, Utilt, and Dsmash. I could have sworn you could buffer a shield after the Dair for the Usmash.