K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[WeirdChillFever]

As much as I am a fan of Lloyd Irving and the Tales of series, I can't imagine he'd be too high-priority for Namco from a marketing perspective. Pac-Man is a vidya icon no matter how you view it, while even Heihachi would be good promotion for upcoming Tekken games. Lloyd would be a great character, yeah, but I can't imagine Namco had much interest in promoting him to a full-on newcomer. The Mii costume is a nice touch and, I think, isn't too surprising considering the other characters that have turned up as costumes.

Flying Man is interesting too, albeit in the same way that KK Slider / Isabelle are interesting: an NPC with a costume-based tribute in lieu of a full fighter. Didn't see it coming, yet in hindsight, it makes decent sense.

K. Rool still baffles me. If what @ Yellowlord said is true and Sakurai hasn't re-tweeted the K. Rool kostume, then I'm even more baffled.

Can somebody confirm if Sakurai has re-tweeted the other costumes, or just Lloyd?

Just Lloyd and the modes.

 

[Pazzo.]

*yawn*

Well, I wonder what went on down here...?

*Sees Lloyd and Flying Man*

Spoiler

 

[Yellowlord]

As much as I am a fan of Lloyd Irving and the Tales of series, I can't imagine he'd be too high-priority for Namco from a marketing perspective. Pac-Man is a vidya icon no matter how you view it, while even Heihachi would be good promotion for upcoming Tekken games. Lloyd would be a great character, yeah, but I can't imagine Namco had much interest in promoting him to a full-on newcomer. The Mii costume is a nice touch and, I think, isn't too surprising considering the other characters that have turned up as costumes.

Flying Man is interesting too, albeit in the same way that KK Slider / Isabelle are interesting: an NPC with a costume-based tribute in lieu of a full fighter. Didn't see it coming, yet in hindsight, it makes decent sense.

K. Rool still baffles me. If what @ Yellowlord said is true and Sakurai hasn't re-tweeted the K. Rool kostume, then I'm even more baffled.

Can somebody confirm if Sakurai has re-tweeted the other costumes, or just Lloyd?

Exactly. It is very baffling why Sakurai hasn't retweeted his costume. Possible foreshadowing of a certain Krokodile beating up a certain imposter?

 

[Wintropy]

Just Lloyd and the modes.

*Spins around in an armchair whilst sucking on a pipe*

Then the plot does indeed thicken!

What if Sakurai is only re-tweeting the Lloyd costume as it's a special favour between Nintendo and Namco, while the other costumes are either an implicit tease of things to come (K. Rool) or added bonuses for fans of NPCs (Chrom, Flying Man) and quirky cosplay (honey bear)?

That could mean that Lloyd is indeed a special tribute to fans of the character and this Sakurai's way of telling his fanbase as much? He's keeping schtum on K. Rool because he has something K. Razy planned and doesn't want fans to get suspicious as to the true nature of his motives!

IT ALL ADDS UP!

Yes I am just going for a good, firm grasp of the ol' straws for fun here, but we've got nothing else to go on right now and it at least entertains us to speculate.

EDIT: Is there ever a recorded instance of Sakurai not re-tweeting an announcement of this caliber before?

 

[Yellowlord]

*Spins around in an armchair whilst sucking on a pipe*

Then the plot does indeed thicken!

What if Sakurai is only re-tweeting the Lloyd costume as it's a special favour between Nintendo and Namco, while the other costumes are either an implicit tease of things to come (K. Rool) or added bonuses for fans of NPCs (Chrom, Flying Man) and quirky cosplay (honey bear)?

That could mean that Lloyd is indeed a special tribute to fans of the character and this Sakurai's way of telling his fanbase as much? He's keeping schtum on K. Rool because he has something K. Razy planned and doesn't want fans to get suspicious as to the true nature of his motives!

IT ALL ADDS UP!

Yes I am just going for a good, firm grasp of the ol' straws for fun here, but we've got nothing else to go on right now and it at least entertains us to speculate.

EDIT: Is there ever a recorded instance of Sakurai not re-tweeting an announcement of this caliber before?

As I am aware, I do not think Sakurai has announced/done something like this until now (unless the Meta Knight thing counts). :3

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Oh and he retweeted the stages, but no costumes other than Lloid

 

[JaidynReiman]

So much for this batch being entirely Nintendo, huh?

 

[Pazzo.]

This also pretty much confirms that Sakurai gets blanket deals on third-party characters.

Why go all the license trouble for Heihachi and Lloyd? He had a deal for all of Bandai Namco.

 

[Pepperoni_Lives]

Summed it up perfectly

 

[JaidynReiman]

This also pretty much confirms that Sakurai gets blanket deals on third-party characters.

Why go all the license trouble for Heihachi and Lloyd? He had a deal for all of Bandai Namco.

Again, as I've noted before. This continuous usage of only Namco, SEGA, and Capcom hurts the chances of characters not from those franchises. We haven't had a single exception so far. We'll have to see how things play out, though. This is a problem because in the case of the ballet, it could also kill off the odds of getting third-party DLC characters in the ballot... which is a problem, because most of the top voted characters are third-party, with a few first-parties like K. Rool, Isaac, and Inklings.

 

[Pepperoni_Lives]

As much as I am a fan of Lloyd Irving and the Tales of series, I can't imagine he'd be too high-priority for Namco from a marketing perspective. Pac-Man is a vidya icon no matter how you view it, while even Heihachi would be good promotion for upcoming Tekken games. Lloyd would be a great character, yeah, but I can't imagine Namco had much interest in promoting him to a full-on newcomer. The Mii costume is a nice touch and, I think, isn't too surprising considering the other characters that have turned up as costumes.

Flying Man is interesting too, albeit in the same way that KK Slider / Isabelle are interesting: an NPC with a costume-based tribute in lieu of a full fighter. Didn't see it coming, yet in hindsight, it makes decent sense.

K. Rool still baffles me. If what @ Yellowlord said is true and Sakurai hasn't re-tweeted the K. Rool kostume, then I'm even more baffled.

Can somebody confirm if Sakurai has re-tweeted the other costumes, or just Lloyd?

Just Lloyd. Weird.

 

[ErenJager]

Maybe soccerguy just personally likes the mii Lloyd costume the most out of all of them.

 

[Pepperoni_Lives]

I hope that K Rool is a character this wave.

 

[Pepperoni_Lives]

Oh my gosh look at the user/guest ratio.

 

[Geno Boost]

Still waiting for the Eggman/Tails Gunner though.

just try imagining Dr. eggman headgear it will be your worst nightmare

 

[SirCamp]

So I'm not sure why everyone is freaking out about the K. Rool mii costume. It could honestly mean anything at this point, we really don't have any idea. True it could mean that this is some sort of consolation prize. However it could also be testing the waters for a character Sakurai hadn't planned for. It could be Sakurai teasing us. It could even just be Sakurai's way of saying "Hey, I see you guys. Making a whole new unplanned character takes a long time, but here is something in the mean time.

But anyway if I were to make a bet I would say that Sakurai had thought about adding Dixie to the roster but didn't have time and so she got cut. My guess is that once DLC was given the go ahead, she has been planned as upcoming DLC (perhaps a surprise inclusion in this patch? You never know). However, the popular vote for K. Rool seems to be pretty overwhelming and as we all know people overreact out the wazoo when they feel like their favorites have been slighted. So, my theory is that Dixie is coming up soon-ish and because creating K. Rool from scratch would take too long to coincide with Dixie's planned release, the costume is Sakurai's way of saying I hear you to the playerbase.

That is obviously entirely conjecture. Mostly because I really would love to see both characters in smash. But given the rumors about Dixie being planned for Brawl, it makes sense that she would also be considered for Sm4sh. And if that is in fact the case, perhaps they felt they needed to do some damage control.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I hope that K Rool is a character this wave.

Odds are very likely we don't have a character this wave. Last wave, for example, the "major update" was 3 new characters. This wave the major update is Tourneys.

 

[DJ3DS]

Yeah, a character is unlikely.

A character announcement on early ballot results? Not impossible but at best it'll be a Mewtwo type deal.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Yeah, a character is unlikely.

A character announcement on early ballot results? Not impossible but at best it'll be a Mewtwo type deal.

I could see a Mewtwo type deal happening.

 

[Arcadenik]

I think that there is one more Mii costume not yet announced.

Wave 1 had 8 costumes:

SSB T-shirt
Majora's Mask

Cat

Mega Man X
Proto Man

Link
Dunban
Monkey

Wave 2 had 8 costumes:

Inkling Squid

Heihachi
Akira
Jacky

Isabelle
MegaMan.EXE
Inkling

Zero


Wave 3 so far has 6 (or 7 if you count K.K. Slider) costumes announced:

SSB Hoodie

King K. Rool
Flying Man

Bear
K.K. Slider (I still suspect he will be part of Wave 3)

Chrom
Lloyd Irving

Maybe it will be announced tomorrow.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I think that there is one more Mii costume not yet announced.

Wave 1 had 8 costumes:

SSB T-shirt
Majora's Mask

Cat

Mega Man X
Proto Man

Link
Dunban
Monkey

Wave 2 had 8 costumes:

Inkling Squid

Heihachi
Akira
Jacky

Isabelle
MegaMan.EXE
Inkling

Zero


Wave 3 so far has 6 (or 7 if you count K.K. Slider) costumes announced:

SSB Hoodie

King K. Rool
Flying Man

Bear
K.K. Slider (I still suspect he will be part of Wave 3)

Chrom
Lloyd Irving

Maybe it will be announced tomorrow.

I don't buy it. Why wait until the last day and only show one new Mii costume? Plus, they said costumes, implying more than one. The only way I see us only getting one costume announced tomorrow is if they also announce a character (probably for later, like October or so) or maybe even the Dr. Mario stage.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

So I'm not sure why everyone is freaking out about the K. Rool mii costume. It could honestly mean anything at this point, we really don't have any idea. True it could mean that this is some sort of consolation prize. However it could also be testing the waters for a character Sakurai hadn't planned for. It could be Sakurai teasing us. It could even just be Sakurai's way of saying "Hey, I see you guys. Making a whole new unplanned character takes a long time, but here is something in the mean time.

But anyway if I were to make a bet I would say that Sakurai had thought about adding Dixie to the roster but didn't have time and so she got cut. My guess is that once DLC was given the go ahead, she has been planned as upcoming DLC (perhaps a surprise inclusion in this patch? You never know). However, the popular vote for K. Rool seems to be pretty overwhelming and as we all know people overreact out the wazoo when they feel like their favorites have been slighted. So, my theory is that Dixie is coming up soon-ish and because creating K. Rool from scratch would take too long to coincide with Dixie's planned release, the costume is Sakurai's way of saying I hear you to the playerbase.

That is obviously entirely conjecture. Mostly because I really would love to see both characters in smash. But given the rumors about Dixie being planned for Brawl, it makes sense that she would also be considered for Sm4sh. And if that is in fact the case, perhaps they felt they needed to do some damage control.

Honestly, it really does feel like that.

Full disclosure: I don't want Dixie, but I recognize a lot do.

They planned Dixie back in Brawl, most likely as a Diddy tag team, so they have the makings of a moveset for her. It really seems similar to Roy - I don't think he was decloned for SSB4, I think that we're finally seeing the moveset that was planned for Brawl but got cut. That means that if they wanted Dixie DLC, they already have her moves and just need to implement it. I think the idea of K.Rool on the ballot though caught them all off guard, but since they already had Dixie in development, they weren't going to discard what they had. It seems like one of 'rules' we made up of "only one DLC per franchise" seems viable, and they already picked the DK one. Plus, none of the other Mii costumes make me think K.Rool is anything but a consolation prize.

sigh...Here's hoping that the Ballot can still mean something.

Sorry if this comes off harsh - I'm trying carefully not to bash Dixie, but this seems like a really plausible circumstance. Which, if it's true, means congratulations to Dixie's supporters.

Odds are very likely we don't have a character this wave. Last wave, for example, the "major update" was 3 new characters. This wave the major update is Tourneys.

I dunno what to expect. We've still got two slots open, but no news. And I'm sure Sakurai's annoyed enough that his big surprise for the last one leaked - Lucas was the only one we were expecting.

They did give up A LOT last time, which makes me think we're due for one. If we don't get another until December (since ballot ends in October, and then it needs dev time), why did we get three at once in June instead of spreading it out? I'm hoping that the two missing slots we have are for two more pre-ballots that they are pretending they're not making, then the ballot.

For a while, I'd have considered Wolf a lock for the August reveal, and K.Rool to be the first on the ballot. Now, I'm thinking that Dixie may be coming along tomorrow as a surprise. I guess I'll just wait and see.

And vote for the King.

I'm not letting my hope for the last two big Original 8 villains go.

 

[Arcadenik]

I don't buy it. Why wait until the last day and only show one new Mii costume? Plus, they said costumes, implying more than one. The only way I see us only getting one costume announced tomorrow is if they also announce a character (probably for later, like October or so) or maybe even the Dr. Mario stage.

Maybe the other costume is KK Slider. They still haven't announced it for the rest of the world.

 

[Tubbers09]

I'm still curious if NOA is going to announce anything. I don't believe they will anounce anything new but I would think they would tweet or facebook update something about the costumes/stages.

 

[-crump-]

Do you guys ever actually buy the Mii Fighter costumes? I've never bought one, just because 3/4 of a dollar is still a little steep for a costume wearable only by Miis, which I never play.

Also, I feel like the KKR Mii costume is a trap, either way. If it sells notably better than the rest, Nintendo will think "Oh, they must be satisfied with this, then", but if it sells poorly as a form of protest, Nintendo will think "Oh, well I guess no one was really interested in K. Rool".

Double-edged sword here.

 

[FalKoopa]

So what's the collective mood now? I had to stay away because it's hard reading through a lot of pessimistic posts.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Maybe the other costume is KK Slider. They still haven't announced it for the rest of the world.

Not likely, they already confirmed him a long time ago (and may already be out in Japan...? And even then, this is the Japanese Twitter, so why would he be one of the ones shown off?). Plus, he is announced for the rest of the world, he appears on the American site with "TBD". He'll definitely drop with this latest update in the West.

So what's the collective mood now? I had to stay away because it's hard reading through a lot of pessimistic posts.

I was upset at first, but now I think K. Rool is a lot more likely to appear later after thinking things through. If not K. Rool and Inklings, who else? I don't think we're getting any more third-parties either.

Do you guys ever actually buy the Mii Fighter costumes? I've never bought one, just because 3/4 of a dollar is still a little steep for a costume wearable only by Miis, which I never play.

Also, I feel like the KKR Mii costume is a trap, either way. If it sells notably better than the rest, Nintendo will think "Oh, they must be satisfied with this, then", but if it sells poorly as a form of protest, Nintendo will think "Oh, well I guess no one was really interested in K. Rool".

Double-edged sword here.

I don't think its a trap, rather a bonus more than anything. I don't think it'll play into consideration for K. Rool at all in the future, moreso it just shows "Hey, we're still interested in K. Rool."

I am planning to buy it, though. I'll also be getting Lloyd (more for my wife but I do like Lloyd).

 

[Dark Phazon]

no

bkupa stahp

my hope is too strong

plz nerf

I definitely think this is a question we must consider, of course. Sakurai doesn't do things koincidentally or without reason. This whole thing is fishier than Enguarde's fins.

Which is, obviously, pretty fishy~

I dont wanna be a negative nancy even though i am i fully support K.Rool but guys...when i see litreally everything you lot are saying was said for Ridley too i mean it..

I just hear bargaining tbh...
Man...i wish we had something solid...ahh why does it have to be like this....this is seriously Ridley 2.0.

I just . . . . I dunno what to say....
If he gets revealed on friday as mad as i was yesterday i would be that much happy.

I was there for all the Bargaining and Optimisim you could ever imagine when the first pic of the Pyrosphere was revealed all the way to the Shadow ''Other Boss characters''

I heard it all and this is 100% Ridley 2.0.

I never wanted to be proven wrong so much before....

Atleast all we have to wait is 2moro and not the disguting toture amount of time we had between the Pyrosphere pic till the Shadow till 50 extravaganza. . . . .

Its just my opnion and i know i might be hated for it..but its RealTalk imo.

 

[DrCoeloCephalo]

So what's the collective mood now? I had to stay away because it's hard reading through a lot of pessimistic posts.

I'm gonna remain positive about this. After all, NOTHING is set in stone until October. Once the ballot is officially over and the fighters are decided, only then will we see if we just have to put up with the Mii skin or if we get what we want along with the privelege of making everyone who doubted us the object of ridicule.

 

[Maxoxpower]

K.rool get 2 DESIGNS. rare design is mii but paon one still unknow!

we can just HOPE the last one will be fully playable. GO VOTE KUTTROATS!

Yes i'm yelling, it's for a good cause.

 

[-crump-]

So what's the collective mood now? I had to stay away because it's hard reading through a lot of pessimistic posts.

Things seem a bit more positive, but we're starting to grasp straws at this point.
I'm still really pessimistic about the King's chances, and I've pretty much given up hope.

However, I'm not about to abandon ship, either. If this boat sinks, I'm going with it.

 

[Wintropy]

I dont wanna be a negative nancy even though i am i fully support K.Rool but guys...when i see litreally everything you lot are saying was said for Ridley too i mean it..

I just hear bargaining tbh...
Man...i wish we had something solid...ahh why does it have to be like this....this is seriously Ridley 2.0.

I just . . . . I dunno what to say....
If he gets revealed on friday as mad as i was yesterday i would be that much happy.

I was there for all the Bargaining and Optimisim you could ever imagine when the first pic of the Pyrosphere was revealed all the way to the Shadow ''Other Boss characters''

I heard it all and this is 100% Ridley 2.0.

I never wanted to be proven wrong so much before....

Atleast all we have to wait is 2moro and not the disguting toture amount of time we had between the Pyrosphere pic till the Shadow till 50 extravaganza. . . . .

Its just my opnion and i know i might be hated for it..but its RealTalk imo.

Oh no, I have totally come to terms with this being K. Rool's ultimate fate.

Doesn't mean I don't think it's incredibly suspicious, of course~ ;3

 

[slambros]

At least we know for sure that Nintendo still has the rights to K. Rool.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Oh no, I have totally come to terms with this being K. Rool's ultimate fate.

Doesn't mean I don't think it's incredibly suspicious, of course~ ;3

I think its incredibly suspicious. However, if this is his ultimate fate (for now), I'm still happy, because they acknowledged K. Rool. Isn't K. Rool getting acknowledged at all better than nothing? I know some would disagree, saying its worse, but I don't. Now K. Rool has gotten attention, even though he hasn't been around since 2008. I'm 100% positive now he'll definitely be in future Nintendo games (regardless of whether he gets into Smash fully).


And I still can't help but be suspicious. This is definitely unprecedented.

At least we know for sure that Nintendo still has the rights to K. Rool.

WE already knew that, but this proves it to everyone else who thought otherwise. It also kinda debunks the relevancy argument, even though people are still insisting "relevancy" could be the reason he's "only" a costume, which is stupid. If relevancy was an issue, he wouldn't even be a costume at all.

 

[Pakky]

In the worst case scenario, I would to see who wins the ballot because at this point everything else looks like bull. Isaac is not K Rool, so yeah, I wanna see what happens if worst indeed comes to worst.

 

[Diddy Kong]

At least we know for sure that Nintendo still has the rights to K. Rool.

 

[JaidynReiman]

In the worst case scenario, I would to see who wins the ballot because at this point everything else looks like bull. Isaac is not K Rool, so yeah, I wanna see what happens if worst indeed comes to worst.

I think Isaac is getting a Mii Fighter costume tomorrow, honestly.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

hm... Lloyd and Flying Man; ... so K. Rool still remains as the only costume based in a non before existent model. (This Flying Man costume probably was done with the scrapped model for Smash3DS, that they were going to use as a Hazard in Magicant) Interesting;...

 

[JaidynReiman]

hm... Lloyd and Flying Man; ... so K. Rool still remains as the only costume based in a non before existent model. (This Flying Man costume probably was done with the scrapped model for Smash3DS, that they were going to use as a Hazard in Magicant) Interesting;...

You're thinking Lloyd's model is based on his Dawn of the New World model? Maybe... that's the closest to it.

 

[Pakky]

I think Isaac is getting a Mii Fighter costume tomorrow, honestly.

Yeah because if worst comes to worst how in the world would Isaac win over King K? I'm not bashing anyone but come one now, that sounds silly. I guess Rayman could win the ballot,but geez that sounds unrealistic.