K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[NonSpecificGuy]

There's no way to know that, BUT, we do know for a fact that King K. Rool is the 2nd most recurring villain in Nintendo's history, behind only Bowser.

Ganon is more recurring pal but I do think Sakurai knows of his emmense popularity he's even popular in Japan.

 

[Hoots]

It appears he thinks that the Kremlings are, so logically that should also mean K. Rool is as well. Or if nothing else, he's aware of K. Rool.

I wouldn't say that inclusion in Smash Run counts as "a big deal." Then you could say the same thing about Chandelure or Roturret.

 

[OddCrow]

Ganon is more recurring pal but I do think Sakurai knows of his emmense popularity he's even popular in Japan.

I'm pretty sure K. Rool has been in more games than Ganon or Ganondorf, but not both of them combined (depends on whether or not you consider them as the same character). IIRC

 

[FalKoopa]

I wouldn't say that inclusion in Smash Run counts as "a big deal." Then you could say the same thing about Chandelure or Roturret.

Still, it's their first major appearance in 18 years.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

I wouldn't say that inclusion in Smash Run counts as "a big deal." Then you could say the same thing about Chandelure or Roturret.

I see what you're saying, but I think what makes it such a big deal is the fact that the Kremlings have been missing for a while. Their last appearance was in Mario Super Sluggers, a spin-off title. Yeah, Chandelure and Roturett, they're unique enemies Sakurai decided to include, but it means a lot that he would decide to dig up the Kremlings.

 

[Spinosaurus]

There's no way to know that, BUT, we do know for a fact that King K. Rool is the 2nd most recurring villain in Nintendo's history, behind only Bowser.

That's REALLY iffy. Especially since most of his appearances are from outsourced companies. (Wait, all?)

Also even considering I highly doubt he appeared more than Dedede and Ganon(dorf)

 

[Bravetriforcer]

There's no way to know that, BUT, we do know for a fact that King K. Rool is the 2nd most recurring villain in Nintendo's history, behind only Bowser.

Ganon.

 

[OddCrow]

Correction, http://www.mariowiki.com/King_K._Rool , I misread this following line

"After Bowser, King K. Rool is the second most recurring villain in the greater Mario continuity."

He's probably...3rd overall? I think he's been in more than Dedede.

 

[Snagrio]

I wouldn't say that inclusion in Smash Run counts as "a big deal." Then you could say the same thing about Chandelure or Roturret.

Considering that the vast majority thought that the Kremling Krew had been lost in Nintendo history (or worse, owned by Rare/Microsoft), I'd say it is pretty significant. Chandelure and Roturrent don't relate to the situation at all.

That's like saying a new StarFox game is the equivalent to a new Pokemon game. One is clearly more significant then the other in terms of appearance.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Correction, http://www.mariowiki.com/King_K._Rool , I misread this following line

"After Bowser, King K. Rool is the second most recurring villain in the greater Mario continuity."

He's probably...3rd overall? I think he's been in more than Dedede.

Wow looking at this, K.Rool never appeared in a first party developed game aside from his trophies in Smash.

I never realized it, but that's interesting.

 

[BlitznBurst]

I wouldn't say that inclusion in Smash Run counts as "a big deal." Then you could say the same thing about Chandelure or Roturret.

Chandelure is one Pokémon among hundreds that the developers thought would work as well as any other and served as an advertisement for the latest Pokémon games. The Kremlings are a specific group of enemies that haven't appeared in years, and haven't had any notable appearances in even longer. Both Chandelure and the Tiki Tak Tribe are from recent games and are included as advertisements for those games. The Kremlings are nothing more than the former enemies of Donkey Kong, and have more or less been forgotten by their actual creators. And yet Sakurai still thought they were important enough to Donkey Kong's history to warrant being enemies, even over the Snowmads, the enemies from the latest game.

Yes, this is a big ****ing deal.

Wow looking at this, K.Rool never appeared in a first party developed game aside from his trophies in Smash.

I never realized it, but that's interesting.

Smash is developed by HAL, actually, so it's no more a first party game than the actual DKC games were, really.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Smash is developed by HAL, actually, so it's no more a first party game than the actual DKC games were, really.

So even when gets in Smash he'll still never be in a first party Nintendo game, haha.

 

[Kickback]

Well I will agree that this by no means confirms his inclusion, I still think its cool that this stage hazzard/platform mirrors King K.rool boss fight in dk64.

If k.rool joins the roster I would like a third reskin of that stage were you get red, blue, yellow and green corer posts with stars on, King K.rool's face on the mat surounded by red stars and maybe even kremling silhouettes in the audience.

 

[Banjodorf]

^^

Watch that actually be a thing, and the reason we haven't seen any new DK stages yet.

He's just been waiting for K. Rool's reveal or something. I can dream.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Aren't the Tikis also in Smash run?

 

[cephalopod17]

I think that we have a good chance at seeing him at E3. Another thing, do you guys think it is odd that we have seen very little DKC content? All we have seen is Donkey, Diddy, Kremlings, Tikis, and Jungle Japes. We have not seen any new DKC stages, items or assist trophies.

 

[Banjodorf]

Aren't the Tikis also in Smash run?

Yep. I actually think its even more significant that they're also there. He could've just picked the Tikis and been done with it, but didnt, and added Kremlings as well.

It's also worth noting he could've used Snowmads, but chose Kremlings over them.

 

[Spinosaurus]

It's also worth noting he could've used Snowmads, but chose Kremlings over them.

Easier to port the Kremlings which have low quality models over the very high quality models of the Snowmads, so I don't think it's a significant point.

A lot of Smash run models are practically ported over.

 

[Banjodorf]

Double post GAH!

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

I think that we have a good chance at seeing him at E3. Another thing, do you guys think it is odd that we have seen very little DKC content? All we have seen is Donkey, Diddy, Kremlings, Tikis, and Jungle Japes. We have not seen any new DKC stages, items or assist trophies.

That's what I've been wondering. Starfox hasnt gotten much love either.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I'm not necessarily saying he didn't want to use Kremlings (he could have just left it with tikis), just that the "he could have used the snowmads" point doesn't hold water. All the enemies shown so far are ported low quality models.

 

[Banjodorf]

Then forget about the Snowmads. The fact remains he could've just used the Tikis.

There. Done. I have nothing else to add; go push the discussion in a more positive direction.

 

[BKupa666]

For all we know, there still are Snowmad enemies, they just didn't appear during the trailer because "the enemies appear at random." By the same token, there could also be other DKC enemies waiting in the pipeline.

The conscious choice to revive the Kremlings certainly proves that consideration will be given to franchises' entire histories, not just the parts message board users deem "relevant."

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

If Sakurai brought back the Kremlings in some form other than a trophy, then I expect King K. Rool to get an appearance too. I'll be surprised if he doesn't.

 

[Pacack]

Number of Nintendo Antagonist Main Game Appearances :

Bowser: 15
King Dedede: 14 (not always as an antagonist)
Ganon(dorf): 10/9 (Only appeared as end game sequence in Link's Adventure)
Ganon: 8/7
Ridley: 5/7 (Depends on if you count the clone or not)
King K. Rool: 4
Andross: 4
Ganondorf: 3/5 (Only mentioned in two games)
Wolf: 3 (?)
Medusa: 2

I love K. Rool, but he's not even close to that recurring.

 

[BKupa666]

Why are we distinguishing between main games and non-main games again? An appearance is an appearance, is it not? Also, the fact that some main games are far more successful than others is worth consideration as a factor as well.

 

[Pacack]

Why are we distinguishing between main games and non-main games again? An appearance is an appearance, is it not? Also, the fact that some main games are far more successful than others is worth consideration as a factor as well.

Let me make a list of total appearances in a second.

Something of note, though. Are the Donkey Kong Land games distinct games or ports?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Number of Nintendo Antagonist Main Game Appearances :

Bowser: 15
King Dedede: 14 (not always as an antagonist)
Ganon(dorf): 10/9 (Only appeared as end game sequence in Link's Adventure)
Ganon: 8/7
Ridley: 5/7 (Depends on if you count the clone or not)
King K. Rool: 4
Andross: 4
Ganondorf: 3/5 (Only mentioned in two games)
Wolf: 3 (?)
Medusa: 2

I love K. Rool, but he's not even close to that recurring.

You forgot the Donkey Kong Land Games.
So he's up there just not most recurring.

 

[BKupa666]

Let me make a list of total appearances in a second.

Something of note, though. Are the Donkey Kong Land games distinct games or ports?

The Donkey Kong Land games are distinct games that use their respective Country counterparts as bases. They're often mistakenly dismissed as ports, but some even offer all-new worlds and enemies, such as Hogwash the Flying Pig.

 

[Spinosaurus]

DKL are distinct but they were meant to be DKC lite more than anything.

Speaking of, did anyone else listen to the DKL2 OST lately? Grant Kirkhope did a great job porting DKC2's OST to 8-bit.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Number of Nintendo Antagonist Main Game Appearances :

Bowser: 15
King Dedede: 14 (not always as an antagonist)
Ganon(dorf): 10/9 (Only appeared as end game sequence in Link's Adventure)
Ganon: 8/7
Ridley: 5/7 (Depends on if you count the clone or not)
King K. Rool: 4
Andross: 4
Ganondorf: 3/5 (Only mentioned in two games)
Wolf: 3 (?)
Medusa: 2

I love K. Rool, but he's not even close to that recurring.

This list is all messed up, what are you counting as a "main game"?

Because I would call the Donkey Kong Land games, and even the Paon handheld games, "main games". As opposed to things like Barrel Blast and Donkey Konga.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

The DKL games aren't actually that bad either for what they are, honestly. I'd give the first one a try at least.

 

[Pacack]

You forgot the Donkey Kong Land Games.
So he's up there just not most recurring.

The Donkey Kong Land games are distinct games that use their respective Country counterparts as bases. They're often mistakenly dismissed as ports, but some even offer all-new worlds and enemies, such as Hogwash the Flying Pig.

Thank you. Honest mistake.

Edited list (with all game appearances)

Bowser: 42/43 (Depends on if you count SSB4 as two games or one)
King Dedede: 23/24 (Depends on if you count SSB4 as two games or one)
Ganon(dorf): 18-12 (Depending on how you count it. If cameos and remakes count, it's 18. If they don't, it's 12.)
K. Rool: 12
Ridley: 9(ish? Counting the clone as the same entity.)

King Dedede and Ganondorf are still waaaaay more recurring still, though.

This list is all messed up, what are you counting as a "main game"?

Because I would call the Donkey Kong Land games, and even the Paon handheld games, "main games". As opposed to things like Barrel Blast and Donkey Konga.

Honest mistake of not realizing the Land games were distinct from the original DKC games. It should have been at about 8.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Do you know what a boxing ring is?

Yes, I do know what a boxing ring is duh.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Thank you. Honest mistake.

Edited list (with all game appearances)

Bowser: 42/43 (Depends on if you count SSB4 as two games or one)
King Dedede: 23/24 (Depends on if you count SSB4 as two games or one)
Ganon(dorf): 18-12 (Depending on how you count it. If cameos and remakes count, it's 18. If they don't, it's 12.)
K. Rool: 12
Ridley: 9(ish? Counting the clone as the same entity.)

King Dedede and Ganondorf are still waaaaay more recurring still, though.

Okay cool, this is about what I expected. Still pretty high up there, outpacing even Ridley.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Okay cool, this is about what I expected. Still pretty high up there, outpacing even Ridley.

Not much of a feat when there aren't that many Metroid games to begin with. Poor Ridley.
12 is p. good tho.

 

[Deleted member]

Aren't the Tikis also in Smash run?

Sure, but the fact that Kremlings are showing up has to mean something. If not playable, then at least a larger role in Smash.

Also, if anything, this shows that Kremlings and Tikis can co-exist in Sakurai's eyes.

The DKL games aren't actually that bad either for what they are, honestly. I'd give the first one a try at least.

I'd like to give it a shot someday as well. Hopefully they'll come to a 3DS Virtual Console (else I'll just hunt a Game Boy down like I will eventually... when I start retro gaming).

 

[Klaww]

Welp, the Ridley thread is doing it right now and I couldn't help myself I'm sorry aaaaaaaaah

Spoiler: krol confined

Looking at it again, the "crown" looks like it goes up quite a bit higher than my outline and I can see a pretty clear cape but I'm not going through all the trouble to remake this just for a stupid joke post.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Welp, the Ridley thread is doing it right now and I couldn't help myself I'm sorry aaaaaaaaah

Spoiler: krol confined

Looking at it again, the "crown" looks like it goes up quite a bit higher than my outline and I can see a pretty clear cape but I'm not going through all the trouble to remake this just for a stupid joke post.

It looks like a Ninja Turtle. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles for Smash 4!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

K Rool has some nice boobs in those rocks