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K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

Kickback

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Well I sopose it might be to early to rule out the snowmads and DKCTF but It also seems as Maro Kart 8 is promoting Returns instead of tropical freeze. Also why add the tiki's at all? The tiki we have seen the flying drum thing could easily been replaced by the reskin owl from TF. So who knows maybe we will se some snowmads but I doubt it.
 
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Well I sopose it might be to early to rule out the snowmads and DKCTF but It also seems as Maro Kart 8 is promoting Returns instead of tropical freeze. Also why add the tiki's at all? The tiki we have seen the flying drum thing could easily been replaced by the reskin owl from TF. So who knows maybe we will se some snowmads but I doubt it.
We don't know even all the new courses from MK8, right? There is still a possibility the DKC:TF course may be in the Special cup as it was the case in MK7 with DKCR. (as the DKC games are hard Jump'n'Run action, it fits a DKC course in the Special Cup)
Another point: Why does it matter for Smash Bros if Mario Kart were or weren't to promote DKC:TF with an own course? I think this doesn't matter at all. It sounds just a little bit like "well you need DKC:TF stuff first in Mario Kart 8 before it even can be in SSB4" and such an argumentation seems odd to me. Even if Dixie were playable in MK8, this wouldn't help her for a playable appearance in SSB4. Otherwise we would need to hope for playable K.Rool in MK8 in order to get him in SSB4.
 

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I would be happy with both K. Rool and Dixie...as long as K. Rool appears first. Otherwise K. Rool's fanbase would undoubtedly have to go through the same kind of turmoil as the Ridley section is right now.
 

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We don't know even all the new courses from MK8, right? There is still a possibility the DKC:TF course may be in the Special cup as it was the case in MK7 with DKCR. (as the DKC games are hard Jump'n'Run action, it fits a DKC course in the Special Cup)
Another point: Why does it matter for Smash Bros if Mario Kart were or weren't to promote DKC:TF with an own course? I think this doesn't matter at all. It sounds just a little bit like "well you need DKC:TF stuff first in Mario Kart 8 before it even can be in SSB4" and such an argumentation seems odd to me. Even if Dixie were playable in MK8, this wouldn't help her for a playable appearance in SSB4. Otherwise we would need to hope for playable K.Rool in MK8 in order to get him in SSB4.
Because it seems like a lot of the games have been cross-promoting with various elements, I think. Also, to those wondering about Snomads, Sakurai DID say that the enemies encountered are random each play through, so there's defintiely more enemies we haven't seen. Let's face it, what we see in MK8 may have a corollation in Smash. I'm still thinking we may see Kirby in MK8. *laugh*
 

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I like the idea of a Smash original design.

Truth be told, K.Rool never came across as a good design to me. Pirate K.Rool was cool because of the pirate costume, and Paon fixed some things that really bugged me about Rare's design, but otherwise I'd rather have something new for him. So long as he's not big and serious like what they did to DK.
 

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I like the idea of a Smash original design.

Truth be told, K.Rool never came across as a good design to me. Pirate K.Rool was cool because of the pirate costume, and Paon fixed some things that really bugged me about Rare's design, but otherwise I'd rather have something new for him. So long as he's not big and serious like what they did to DK.
I can see where you're coming from, I always thought his golden belly was always a little strange.
 

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I can see where you're coming from, I always thought his golden belly was always a little strange.
Haha, yeah that's actually my biggest beef with his design, and largely why I do prefer Paon's design. It's just nonsensical and illogical.
 
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I like the idea of a Smash original design.

Truth be told, K.Rool never came across as a good design to me. Pirate K.Rool was cool because of the pirate costume, and Paon fixed some things that really bugged me about Rare's design, but otherwise I'd rather have something new for him. So long as he's not big and serious like what they did to DK.
I totally disagree. I love the Rare design and think the Paon one is bad. Comparing the two, I dislike that K. Rool got a smaller crown, he lost the golden belly and generally looks far less intimidating than in DKC. I also feel that the original design was more unique, as it had the mark of Rare on it, as opposed to Paon's interpretation that watered it down. I would tolerate a touch of Paon's design but I want at least some of Rare's in there too.
 

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I liked his golden belly. It's not something you get to see everyday. :laugh:

I mostly prefer his Rare design, but Paon was able to get his legs correct, and gave him claws on his fingers (which should have been there from the start, imo.)
 
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I think, if K. Rool's Rare design were polished up and modernized for Smash, none of the people who deem it ugly would bat an eye. Something like the design in the OP's header image would work great.
 

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Uh...Did the King lose his tail or something?
He definitely had a tail in DKC...
Honestly, I'm guessing the Paon designers only looked at artwork when they made the new design. In the DKC and DK64 artwork K. Rool's tail isn't visible, so maybe they just assumed he didn't have one.

Really shows how much effort they put into things.
 
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Haha, yeah that's actually my biggest beef with his design, and largely why I do prefer Paon's design. It's just nonsensical and illogical.
The golden belly isn't nonsensical or illogical, it's nothing short of brilliant. In nature, the crocodile has a thick back hide that offers protection, yet its underside is weak and would be a big inconvenience for a crocodile that walks on two legs, leaving his only weak spot exposed. The gold plating provides both a weapon and protection for his biggest weak spot.
 

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I have no idea what they were trying to accomplish with that. Did they just like the costume-switching he did in the DKC games and decide to make one of their own?
I interpreted it as more Aztec in appearance than Egyptian. I assumed that the costume was in reference to the fact that K. Rool and the Kremlings were found in a jungle ruin area in Sluggers, so they went for a Mayan/Aztec sort of look to continue the trend of K. Rool taking on a new persona every game. I guess they thought it would be more apparent than it ended up being.
 

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I always figured the baseball design was just a way to get around animating K. Rool's cape. They had to give him some royal clothing, so they gave him the necklace in its place, and because it wouldn't fly to give him a...for lack of better description, bare green arse like in the cartoon, they gave him the diaper instead.
 

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We don't know even all the new courses from MK8, right? There is still a possibility the DKC:TF course may be in the Special cup as it was the case in MK7 with DKCR. (as the DKC games are hard Jump'n'Run action, it fits a DKC course in the Special Cup)
Another point: Why does it matter for Smash Bros if Mario Kart were or weren't to promote DKC:TF with an own course? I think this doesn't matter at all. It sounds just a little bit like "well you need DKC:TF stuff first in Mario Kart 8 before it even can be in SSB4" and such an argumentation seems odd to me. Even if Dixie were playable in MK8, this wouldn't help her for a playable appearance in SSB4. Otherwise we would need to hope for playable K.Rool in MK8 in order to get him in SSB4.
First of all I never said anything about Dixie thats seems to be you're agenda, secoundly why would Dixie even need the snowmads ore DKCTF dosen't she have enough merits to get in smash brothers alone? I mean the kritters got in with out haveing to rely on a relevant game to tie them in so why is DKCTF a big deal for Dixie she existed pre TF.
 

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I always figured the baseball design was just a way to get around animating K. Rool's cape. [...]
But K. Rool had his original king costume (or at least, which was redesigned in King of Swing) in Barrel Blast;... which was a game with much more movement than Mario Sluggers,.. I mean, is a racing game, and the characters are often flying around... and the Baseball game have only some specific periods needing more frenetic animations, like when they run. ... The K. Rool's cape in Barrel Blast was just fine... and I think that the Egyptian/Maya costume was designed to fit in the environment that the Kremlings are found in Mario Sluggers. ...or maybe for a scrapped concept of DK platform game;
 

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I totally disagree. I love the Rare design and think the Paon one is bad. Comparing the two, I dislike that K. Rool got a smaller crown, he lost the golden belly and generally looks far less intimidating than in DKC. I also feel that the original design was more unique, as it had the mark of Rare on it, as opposed to Paon's interpretation that watered it down. I would tolerate a touch of Paon's design but I want at least some of Rare's in there too.
Fair enough, we both see it differently. I personally didn't think Rare's approach in make him intimidating worked out, so he never came across as anything but goofy (nothing wrong with that) to me.
The golden belly isn't nonsensical or illogical, it's nothing short of brilliant. In nature, the crocodile has a thick back hide that offers protection, yet its underside is weak and would be a big inconvenience for a crocodile that walks on two legs, leaving his only weak spot exposed. The gold plating provides both a weapon and protection for his biggest weak spot.
That doesn't really explain anything, and I think you're getting the wrong impression. It isn't the golden belly, it's how it's there. There's many ways of applying a way to protect his weak spot to his design, I don't think a gold plate that is magically attached to his belly a good one. If it was shown how the golden plate was stuck to his body I would have appreciated it much more.

Unless his belly is literally gold...but that's just weird.
 
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First of all I never said anything about Dixie thats seems to be you're agenda, secoundly why would Dixie even need the snowmads ore DKCTF dosen't she have enough merits to get in smash brothers alone? I mean the kritters got in with out haveing to rely on a relevant game to tie them in so why is DKCTF a big deal for Dixie she existed pre TF.
My point was only that in what way does it matter what happens in Mario Kart 8? Does this necessary have an influence on SSB4? I don't think so. And while we can certainly say Dixie has quite a few good arguments, it wouldn't hurt if a game where she is a playable character gets even more promotion and spotlight. After all, for K.Rool it wouldn't really matter if Sakurai were to use stuff from DKCR or instead use stuff from DKC:TF. So I made the link with something or someone who could benefit seeing stuff from DKC:TF more than from DKCR in Mario Kart 8 and/or in SSB4. And the only characters who would have a good reason for having DKC:TF promoted and not DKCR would be Dixie and Cranky obviously. Well, and Lord Frederick :p

If the whole point about DKCR and DKC:TF weren't about Dixie or Cranky, in what way could it be interesting for K.Rool? In my opinion he doesn't care about Sakurai using the snowmads or using the tikis as long as the Kremlings are in.
 

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That doesn't really explain anything, and I think you're getting the wrong impression. It isn't the golden belly, it's how it's there. There's many ways of applying a way to protect his weak spot to his design, I don't think a gold plate that is magically attached to his belly a good one. If it was shown how the golden plate was stuck to his body I would have appreciated it much more.

Unless his belly is literally gold...but that's just weird.
Gold can be plated to things, more often than not, when you buy something that's "gold" it's just some other metal with a small coating of gold over it. Even so, he's a walking crocodile from a video game, does it really need to make sense? He's a king, he's got gold, work with it.
 

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Gold can be plated to things, more often than not, when you buy something that's "gold" it's just some other metal with a small coating of gold over it. Even so, he's a walking crocodile from a video game, does it really need to make sense? He's a king, he's got gold, work with it.
It's largely nitpicking on my part, but it does bug me. I GET why it's there with how Rare designed the final boss plate, but I'd like an explanation or a way to show how it's there as well.
 
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It's largely nitpicking on my part, but it does bug me. I GET why it's there with how Rare designed the final boss plate, but I'd like an explanation or a way to show how it's there as well.
DK wears a tie - is that any less ridiculous?
 

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Fair enough, we both see it differently. I personally didn't think Rare's approach in make him intimidating worked out, so he never came across as anything but goofy (nothing wrong with that) to me.

That doesn't really explain anything, and I think you're getting the wrong impression. It isn't the golden belly, it's how it's there. There's many ways of applying a way to protect his weak spot to his design, I don't think a gold plate that is magically attached to his belly a good one. If it was shown how the golden plate was stuck to his body I would have appreciated it much more.

Unless his belly is literally gold...but that's just weird.
He's a pirate king. Pirate kings love gold. Pirate kings tend to be hedonistic. His big golden belly is the physical manifestation of his personality. He's a fat, greedy crocodile.
 

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DK wears a tie - is that any less ridiculous?
Again, I think you're interpreting what I'm saying wrong. When I look at DK's tie at least I know it's hanged around his neck, but when I look at K.Rool's belly armor I feel like it's gonna fall off any second. It isn't a matter of whether I think a cartoon crocodile having a golden belly is ridiculous or not.
 
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Again, I always interpreted the golden belly as an method of patching up his stomach, which is a weakspot with real life crocodiles.
 
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Again, I think you're interpreting what I'm saying wrong. When I look at DK's tie at least I know it's hanged around his neck, but when I look at K.Rool's belly armor I feel like it's gonna fall off any second. It isn't a matter of whether I think a cartoon crocodile having a golden belly is ridiculous or not.
He painted his belly gold. There, closure.
 

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Again, I always interpreted the golden belly as an method of patching up his stomach, which is a weakspot with real life crocodiles.
And that's brilliant, really. But I'd like to know how he managed to stick the armor in his belly without it falling off. Is he wrapping it on with strings? Why not show that? It's the little details in character design that could make it or break it for me.
He painted his belly gold. There, closure.
That goes against the purpose of the thing.
What if K Rool was born as a golden bellyplate, and a crocodile just kind of grew out of it?
Did K.rool's dad hook up with a gold bar or something?
 

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But how did the crocodile come about?

It's the little details, man.
You know how when you rub two pieces of gold for long enough, a crocodile embryo forms?

It's kind of like how you'll get a rhinoceros out of two silver plates. Or how gravitation causes mutual attraction between objects possessing mass.
 
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That goes against the purpose of the thing.
It's opulent. That's the reason. It isn't pragmatic, it's for show. Look at his huge crown and golden vambraces. He's a diva and he wants you to know that he's wealthy enough to cover his massive gut in gold.
 
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