K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Welshy91]

And Dixie isn't even a Queen, let alone a King.

QED

And she has K.ooties.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

And she has K.ooties.

eww k.ooties no support there

 

[BKupa666]

To be fair, she was planned to be in Brawl.

To be even more fair, I personally think this franchise has a good chance of getting two newcomers so I don't see Dixie and K. Rool competing with each other, per se.

More people ought to think like you do. "Competing for a spot" is a stupid fan narrative played up for cheap drama in roster discussion threads.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

More people ought to think like you do. "Competing for a spot" is a stupid fan narrative played up for cheap drama in roster discussion threads.

Thanks.

 

[Johnknight1]

More people ought to think like you do. "Competing for a spot" is a stupid fan narrative played up for cheap drama in roster discussion threads.

What's funny is the only instance of "competing for a spot" happened directly with characters (not like Sakurai looking for a new Fire Emblem or Pokémon character in Brawl) from different franchises.

This happened the Ice Climbers got in over the Mach Rider, the Balloon Fighter, Sukapon, Bubbles from Clu-Clu Land, the Urban Champion, the Excite Biker, etc. in Melee, and when Sonic probably took Mewtwo and maybe Roy's spot in Brawl when Sonic was added to the roster sometime in 2007 after the roster was "complete" in 2005.

Characters like K. Rool will be competing against.... um.... misc. Nintendo-owned series' main character #278, misc. Nintendo-owned series' main character #326, misc. Pokémon #154, and misc. forgotten Nintendo-owned series' main character #40,734, rather than say, Dixie Kong.

Oh, and things like the SSE. The SSE took up 60%+ of Brawl's development and probably funds. It's hard to compete against something that takes up that much time.

 

[Xhampi]

Characters like K. Rool will be competing against.... um.... misc. Nintendo-owned series' main character #278, misc. Nintendo-owned series' main character #326, misc. Pokémon #154, and misc. forgotten Nintendo-owned series' main character #40,734, rather than say, Dixie Kong.

So K Rool is competing against Meganium ?

 

[Starcutter]

Characters like K. Rool will be competing against.... Pokémon #154

K Rool x Meganium

EDIT: Ninja'd... I guess? more like I didn't even see the other post.

 

[Johnknight1]

So K Rool is competing against Meganium ?

Shoot guys, I love Meganium, but I meant like the 154th considered Pokémon, lol.

I mean so far we've had all the confirmed playable Pokémon in a smash game thus far considered (that's 8), plus probably Meowth, plus confirmed ones like Ditto and the team of Plusle and Minun. That's 12 Pokémon right there. We've obviously had more Pokémon considered as playable characters that we haven't known of.

This applies to any number of Donkey Kong characters. We obviously have had DK and Diddy playable and Dixie strongly considered, so that's 3 right there. Obviously K. Rool will be considered this time around, and Cranky probably will be as well, and maybe even Funky. But is there an off chance for another DK character=???

But yeah, this all makes me wonder if K. Rool was ever considered to some degree to be a playable character in Smash 64, Melee, or Brawl.

 

[FalKoopa]

K. Rool or Dixie would probably have gotten in Brawl if the Donkey Kong franchise hadn't gone into low profile, like it did after Rare's buyout.

I think Dixie would probably have been a priority newcomer if that were the case. In that situation, K. Rool support today would have been even more unanimous than it is now.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

Darn. I dunno guys. Meganium is one of my favorite starter Pokémon (it's so underrated). I think I might have to support it over K. Rool. This was a lot easier for me to do back when I thought he was just competing with Dixie.

 

[Welshy91]

I just want you all to know that if K. Rool is in, I'm going to be distributing indiscriminate ass-beatings ASAP and establish my rightful place as King of K. Rool.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Found a funny vid about whether if K. Rool makes it in ssb4 or not.

 

[Welshy91]

Spiky cannonball in daily pic. K. Rool confirmed.

 

[BKupa666]

Found a funny vid about whether if K. Rool makes it in ssb4 or not.

Nice video, although I've got to say, I don't think anything will ever top the short and simple "WHY NOT?!?!" from the Brawl days.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Nice video, although I've got to say, I don't think anything will ever top the short and simple "WHY NOT?!?!" from the Brawl days.

Except that one would work perfectly if he did'nt make it haha.

 

[BKupa666]

In searching for that WHY NOT?!?! video, I also stumbled upon this. It looks like the K. Rool model @ TCRhade posted in here a while back, and it looks pretty cool in action. @ cephalopod17 was playing as him in this video, if I am reading its description correctly.

 

[Xzsmmc]

In searching for that WHY NOT?!?! video, I also stumbled upon this. It looks like the K. Rool model @ TCRhade posted in here a while back, and it looks pretty cool in action. @ cephalopod17 was playing as him in this video, if I am reading its description correctly.

That's pretty cool. Way better than all those Dedede texture hacks.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

In searching for that WHY NOT?!?! video, I also stumbled upon this. It looks like the K. Rool model @ TCRhade posted in here a while back, and it looks pretty cool in action. @ cephalopod17 was playing as him in this video, if I am reading its description correctly.

Nice, I wouldn't mind playing as him in that design as long as he had his own move set.

 

[TCRhade]

@ BKupa666 Yes, that's my PSA/model beta, all right. I'm planning a major update by this summer.

 

[cephalopod17]

Yeah, one of my friends and I did a hacked Brawl series. Had to be K. Rool first, because he's my most wanted for Smash 4. @ TCRhade it's a really good K. Rool PSA. He really plays how I'd imagine him to play as.

 

[Banjodorf]

@ BKupa666 Yes, that's my PSA/model beta, all right. I'm planning a major update by this summer.

Man, if you ever manage to complete that amazingness, a Project M version would be super-radical.

I've gotta replace Jigglypuff with someone after all, and who better than the King himself?

Speaking of the King, have you guys seen the trailer for DKL which (successfully) released today in Japan?

Seeing those Kremlings got my heart aflutter. Also nostalgia up the butt for this game.

Also, you know what else is amazing? It probably has its own Miiverse. TELL ME THE KREMLINGS ARE OWNED BY RARE NOW, YOU IGNORANT MOTHER****ERS (On Miiverse.)

 

[TCRhade]

I think a P:M version won't happen, seeing as though they don't want to include characters who have a big shot of getting into 4.

And god damn it, I want that game. Why could they not release it here too? D:

 

[Deleted member]

In searching for that WHY NOT?!?! video, I also stumbled upon this. It looks like the K. Rool model @ TCRhade posted in here a while back, and it looks pretty cool in action. @ cephalopod17 was playing as him in this video, if I am reading its description correctly.

Awesome video. I love that they managed to capture the little look away when he throws the crown. Although yeah, it's obviously kind of odd he uses the blunderbuss as a club. It feels so natural seeing K. Rool in Smash Bros like that, he's exactly the right kind of character to be there.

 

[Banjodorf]

I think a P:M version won't happen, seeing as though they don't want to include characters who have a big shot of getting into 4.

And god damn it, I want that game. Why could they not release it here too? D:

Hey, it doesn't have to be official for the PMBR; I mean if the moveset/character could be tweaked for PM I'd love to add him into my game. Super OP or not.

Though if the moveset WAS adapted for PM, their stance is that they're not going to BACKPORT, but if they work on a character that gets announced, they'll keep working on them anyway.

K. Rool + smash tourneys = dreams come true

Also, quick question: Since he's based on DK who doesn't have any articles, did you create some somehow for the crown toss or is it just an extended hitbox?

 

[TCRhade]

Hey, it doesn't have to be official for the PMBR; I mean if the moveset/character could be tweaked for PM I'd love to add him into my game. Super OP or not.

Though if the moveset WAS adapted for PM, their stance is that they're not going to BACKPORT, but if they work on a character that gets announced, they'll keep working on them anyway.

K. Rool + smash tourneys = dreams come true

Also, quick question: Since he's based on DK who doesn't have any articles, did you create some somehow for the crown toss or is it just an extended hitbox?

I'll try then. No promised, though.

The crown toss is a mobile model part (the crown), so it's attached to his actual model. The cannonballs though are fake projectiles.

 

[BKupa666]

A pipe dream of mine would be to take the K. Rool model a number of users edited within this thread, the one used in that video's thumbnail and in the signature of @ Xzsmmc , and have it repurposed as a game model. Not that the K. Rool model in that video isn't great as well, but an HD original one of that caliber would be even better IMO.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I'm just curious how are you K Rool fans feeling in terms of his chances of making the roster at this point?

I thought his best chance at making it was with Dixie and Diddy getting paired up together to free a slot for him but now that he's in direct competition with Dixie I'm not so sure anymore.

 

[BKupa666]

I'm just curious how are you K Rool fans feeling in terms of his chances of making the roster at this point?

I thought his best chance at making it was with Dixie and Diddy getting paired up together to free a slot for him but now that he's in direct competition with Dixie I'm not so sure anymore.

Pretty much the opposite, actually. For one, a Kong Duo would have been more of a reason to worry than solo Dixie, because its mechanic would have taken even longer to develop. 'Competition' is more of a silly myth than anything else.

Also, take a look at Sakurai's list of characters from before Brawl's development here. You'll see that Sakurai's listed options for DK newcomers at the time were Diddy, a Kong Duo, and K. Rool, with no Solo Dixie in sight. People like to say that "Sakurai revisits his ideas from previous games," and looking at Mega Man and Villager's inclusions, who received the same number of mentions as K. Rool in that journal, he's continuing to do so. Based on that, plus the Kong Duo's disconfirmation, it follows that K. Rool is the logical next choice.

This is looking at existing info, rather than less concrete stuff Sakurai has mentioned like popularity or uniqueness, which tend to get some people's ponytails in a knot.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think that was a fan poll sent to Sakurai.

 

[Xzsmmc]

I'm just curious how are you K Rool fans feeling in terms of his chances of making the roster at this point?

I thought his best chance at making it was with Dixie and Diddy getting paired up together to free a slot for him but now that he's in direct competition with Dixie I'm not so sure anymore.

I'd say they're pretty good. There's no way Sakurai isn't aware of his support, and K. Rool has the uniqueness that he loves so much going for him. I find it hard to believe solo Dixie would be considered more popular/unique.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm just curious how are you K Rool fans feeling in terms of his chances of making the roster at this point?

I thought his best chance at making it was with Dixie and Diddy getting paired up together to free a slot for him but now that he's in direct competition with Dixie I'm not so sure anymore.

Just to echo Kupa's post, the chances of Dixie Kong solo before K. Rool are very low in my opinion. Ignoring the chances of it happening - which was already covered well - Dixie simply lacks the uniqueness required to be a good rep for the DKC series. She wasn't even in DK64 so she actually has much less potential than Diddy Kong, who had to invent the bananas to work. K. Rool on the other hand brings a whole new dimension to DKC representation in Smash Bros and has tonnes of ways to be interpreted that make sense, it would be effortless compared to Dixie, solo. As a tag team, I can see how it may work although I still think it'd be a waste compared to adding K. Rool. The fact the duo was not confirmed makes me think Dixie is no longer a possibility, let alone more likely than K. Rool.

I think that was a fan poll sent to Sakurai.

Not sure myself, but the poll is a good indication of Dixie Kong's popularity up until very recently. She has never been as popular as K. Rool and did not have a large amount of support until Tropical Freeze revealed she was playable. That was long after the roster was finalized, I assume that Sakurai never considered her a well supported candidate and won't consider her until Smash 5.

 

[BKupa666]

I think that was a fan poll sent to Sakurai.

For context, that Brawl poll was released by Sakurai's team within Japan only, asking users to submit their choices for characters, stages, music, items, etc. The list of characters you see up there are characters he found noteworthy for some reason or another. The smaller list of characters are characters he published requests for due to finding those requests noteworthy, with the character's numbered listing representing the number of requests published for that character.

It's not a perfect source, what with Geno's prominence and all, but considering how Melee's poll affected Brawl's roster, it's worthwhile to check this one out, since it may have very well already affected this game's roster with Mega Man and Villager being suggested twice and being the first two newcomers revealed.

 

[Banjodorf]

I'd say they're pretty good. There's no way Sakurai isn't aware of his support, and K. Rool has the uniqueness that he loves so much going for him. I find it hard to believe solo Dixie would be considered more popular/unique.

This I find especially true in the case of Dixie vs. K. Rool.

The newcomers this time are tending on the side of especially unique. While Dixie certainly has a ponytail that can be used for several things to seperate her from Diddy, it's not enough I feel to make her seem like a totally unique character.

K. Rool has an edge here by at least having enough background to be much more original. Interesting attributes could be given to the blunderbuss, invisibility cloaking, disjointed hitboxes for a heavy character, etc.

It's not that I don't support Dixie, in fact I do, but K. Rool could provide so many more levels of hype, make for a far more interesting reveal trailer even just on the surface, and I don't honestly see the effort being put forth to give Dixie a big amazing reveal trailer, especially if she ends up a Luigified version of Diddy, which I think would be a certainty.

Plus, it just so blatantly ignores that K. Rool is much more requested than she is worldwide, and that's just a **** move.

 

[cephalopod17]

On note of that video, I particularly requested my friend to use that image in the thumbnail, as it looks like a possible K. Rool Smash model.

Also I think K. Rool's chances are increasing by the day. That February Direct was the perfect time to introduce Dixie. If she was in that Direct, that would lead to hype for Smash and Tropical Freeze, which of course would equal to more money made. They didn't do this, which leads me to believe that Dixie might not be in. K. Rool's immense popularity and uniqueness helps of course.

 

[Deleted member]

This is going to definitely sound unpopular, but I think that one or the other will get in the game.

I can't see the roster have both K. Rool and Dixie Kong (having both would be awesome). I tend to view these two as competing for a slot on the roster. King K. Rool is definitely more unique than Dixie Kong and is more requested than she is, but Dixie is also largely requested (again, not as much as K. Rool) and it's rather important that she is in Tropical Freeze and not K. Rool (minus the references).

I am extremely confident that we will get a Donkey Kong newcomer. It's obvious to me that we will at this point for the amount of demand there is for one and the fact that the DK series has been growing over the years. However, if one gets confirmed, the other will really get hurt.

At this point, I find them to be about even.

EDIT: In regards to Little Mac and the Direct, it was hurtful towards Dixie that she didn't get revealed on that day. However, she could get confirmed in an upcoming Nintendo Direct. Diddy Kong needed to get confirmed first, thus Dixie couldn't be shown if she is in. Keep this possibility in mind as it can happen.

 

[Banjodorf]

I mean, we can assume Diddy needed to be shown first, but quite frankly, they could have chosen to show him that day before the direct, but they didn't.

It's not even in my mind that we'll get 4 DK newcomers. It could happen, but it probably won't. It'll be one or the other, but I honestly don't think Tropical Freeze affected much in the game, and Sakurai's not going to base a character choice that important to the fans on which game came out most recently. Both characters, especially K. Rool despite not reappering in newer DKC games, continue to be incredibly popular choices worldwide.

That's gotta say something.

 

[False Sense]

Haha, all this talk about Dixie vs. K. Rool in terms of uniqueness reminds me a lot of arguing between Chrom and Robin.

So, as to which of the two is more likely... It's pretty hard to say. Both have their selling points, Dixie having relevance and popularity on her side, while K. Rool has uniqueness and... absurd popularity on his side. Ok, it's a little more complicated than that. I think the biggest thing in K. Rool's favor is just his sheer popularity. He seems to be one of THE most wanted characters in Smash across the world. Dixie has quite a fan base as well, but it just doesn't match up. K. Rool seems to be on Mewtwo levels of popularity at this point. That's insane. Even if he's missed out on some of the most recent games, should that really be a reason to exclude him from the roster? He's still an integral part of the Donkey Kong series as a whole, so he'd definitely a Nintendo All-Star, at this point. And since so many people want him in, and his inclusion would generate insane hype for the game (and generate money for the Wii U), why not include him?

 

[The Real Gamer]

Competition' is more of a silly myth than anything else.

How so? In a game that's all about the characters every roster slot is going to count, which means some are not going to make it in just because another did.

I don't see a scenario where both Dixie and K Rool are added into Smash 4, so I see them as direct competition for one another.

I just hope K Rool wins out, but we'll see.

 

[BKupa666]

How so? In a game that's all about the characters every roster slot is going to count, which means some are not going to make it in just because another did.

I don't see a scenario where both Dixie and K Rool are added into Smash 4, so I see them as direct competition for one another.

I just hope K Rool wins out, but we'll see.

Let me rephrase. 'Competition' specifically between dissimilar characters from the same series is a silly myth.

It's true that there will be a finite number of newcomers on the final roster, but in that case, every newcomer candidate is competing against every newcomer candidate. Roster selection isn't so simple a matter as inserting in 12 or so nameless, faceless 'slots,' then pitting characters from each series against each other to obtain that slot. The fact that each Smash game to date has had at least two series receive two (or more) newcomers ought to serve as a testament to that.

The only way I could see that argument having merit is if it were two functionally identical characters being compared, like Toon Link vs. Young Link.

 

[Johnknight1]

K. Rool or Dixie would probably have gotten in Brawl if the Donkey Kong franchise hadn't gone into low profile, like it did after Rare's buyout.

I think it more had to do with Diddy not being in Melee. Diddy just consumed all the hype for the DKC series. Diddy was arguably the most wanted character before Snake was confirmed (which thus unleashed an unprecedented hype for Sonic), including Wario and Dedede.

I think Dixie would probably have been a priority newcomer if that were the case. In that situation, K. Rool support today would have been even more unanimous than it is now.

Dixie would only be a priority if only because she took less time to program (since she has similar properties to Diddy). Seeing as how Sakurai dismissed the team mechanic twice, all signs point to K. Rool being the leading candidate, especially with his gigantic popularity (he probably has more people wanting him in Smash 4 than any other Nintendo-owned character that has yet to be playable in smash).

How so? In a game that's all about the characters every roster slot is going to count, which means some are not going to make it in just because another did.

What's the difference between Dixie vs. K. Rool and K. Rool vs. the Excite Biker in terms of "competing for a spot"=??? Absolutely nothing, sans how much they are considered and whether or not they are on the final roster.

For instance, Wario and Lucario competed for each other on the Brawl roster. Sonic got in probably at Mewtwo's expense, and maybe at Roy's as well.

I don't see a scenario where both Dixie and K Rool are added into Smash 4, so I see them as direct competition for one another.

How=??? They're 2 of the few B-grade Nintendo characters that haven't been playable in a smash game yet that we have left. Literally it is them (Dixie and K. Rool), Toad (awful idea, and all but deconfirmed), Ridley, Palutena, maybe Chrom for a hot minute (Roy's popularity in Smash still dwarfs Chrom, and Ike's does that tenfold), maybe Shulk in time, Miis (the last A-grade Nintendo character), and *insert some Pokémon here*. That's it. Nobody else comes close.