K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Deleted member]

@ Johnknight1

The fact now that you now manipulate your third choice as to invoke said character's reveal means you've jinxed it.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

I consider that to be a good thing.

Also, I think K. Rool looks way more cooler as a viking than Mr. Frederick as someone on DA drew.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Johnknight1

The fact now that you now manipulate your third choice as to invoke said character's reveal means you've jinxed it.

Actually no, I didn't.

I only realized this after I made my list, and compared it to previous lists I had made. Plus, alongside that list, I made my E3 list.
[collapse="My E3 potential newcomer list I made after the Little Mac reveal"]1. Pac-Man
2. Miis
3. Ridley
4. K. Rool
5. Palutena
6. Shulk[/collapse]
So my whatever is revealed after E3 list is now cursed, not this one or my E3 list.

 

[Deleted member]

Later ones may be cursed because of manipulation, but these two are now cursed for becoming aware and drawing attention to it.

Hubris.

 

[Kon]

In my opinion Sakurai hints at a big newcomer reveal because of the early announcement of the Smash Direct. Usually a Direct is announced a day before the stream. This time it's different. We know already half a week in advance when the Smash Direct will place. Just as if Sakurai were to make sure you can arrange yourself to not miss this Direct because it's worth watching.

So after all, I expect BIG news. I could see Ridley or King K.Rool being revealed this time around. I even think we will see Ridley at E3 this year. This said the road is cleared for the return of the King! It would just fit perfect: K.Rool at Smash exclusive Direct, Ridley at E3. Hype-o-Meter at max!

As we know Sakurai is the greatest troll of the videogame history I would even expect him to first show a newcomer where people are like "Yeah, nice and so on, but not the one I was hoping for" and at the end of the Direct he creates the impression as if the Direct were over already and then he would just show the "Callenger approaching" thing we saw before Mega Man's newcomer trailer and reveal King K.Rool.

Crossing fingers for the return of the King.

 

[Chase]

In my opinion Sakurai hints at a big newcomer reveal because of the early announcement of the Smash Direct. Usually a Direct is announced a day before the stream. This time it's different. We know already half a week in advance when the Smash Direct will place. Just as if Sakurai were to make sure you can arrange yourself to not miss this Direct because it's worth watching.

So after all, I expect BIG news. I could see Ridley or King K.Rool being revealed this time around. I even think we will see Ridley at E3 this year. This said the road is cleared for the return of the King! It would just fit perfect: K.Rool at Smash exclusive Direct, Ridley at E3. Hype-o-Meter at max!

As we know Sakurai is the greatest troll of the videogame history I would even expect him to first show a newcomer where people are like "Yeah, nice and so on, but not the one I was hoping for" and at the end of the Direct he creates the impression as if the Direct were over already and then he would just show the "Callenger approaching" thing we saw before Mega Man's newcomer trailer and reveal King K.Rool.

Crossing fingers for the return of the King.

I could see them doing that, but only with Mewtwo. K. Rool would most likely be revealed during the regular direct.

 

[bellboy64]

Not the topic for this but why are people still expecting Miis so... (dunno the word for it) as a given playable newcomer?

Personally I see way too many problems for them (mainly the whole modelling a dictator Mii thing, like the Hitlers that used to be abundant) to even consider them but I'd like to hear an opinion from you guys.
I figure at least it'll be more or less unbiased. I'm not looking for a full-blown discussion-- just an idea of why. Cause I'm earnestly baffled.

@ BowserK.Rool Not to mention how awesome the fan name for that incarnation that is/was in circulation.
Viking K. Rool!

I mean that is simple brilliance at it's finest!

 

[BKupa666]

Not the topic for this but why are people still expecting Miis so... (dunno the word for it) as a given playable newcomer?

Personally I see way too many problems for them (mainly the whole modelling a dictator Mii thing, like the Hitlers that used to be abundant) to even consider them but I'd like to hear an opinion from you guys.
I figure at least it'll be more or less unbiased. I'm not looking for a full-blown discussion-- just an idea of why. Cause I'm earnestly baffled.

@ BowserK.Rool Not to mention how awesome the fan name for that incarnation that is/was in circulation.
Viking K. Rool!

I mean that is simple brilliance at it's finest!

While the Mii discussion belongs in the regular discussion thread, I think people's expectation for them despite them being the absolute worst possible newcomer addition is one, the E3 leak, and two, Sakurai's mention of customizability, which makes some people's mind jump to Miis (despite Sakurai mentioning you can change the direction of characters' moves, implying that all characters can be customized).

As far as K. Rool returning in a new DKC, I've heard it mentioned that he ought to return as regular King K. Rool, rather than a new costume, just because it's been long enough that he ought to be reestablished in his iconic wardrobe. Thoughts?

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

While the Mii discussion belongs in the regular discussion thread, I think people's expectation for them despite them being the absolute worst possible newcomer addition is one, the E3 leak, and two, Sakurai's mention of customizability, which makes some people's mind jump to Miis (despite Sakurai mentioning you can change the direction of characters' moves, implying that all characters can be customized).

As far as K. Rool returning in a new DKC, I've heard it mentioned that he ought to return as regular King K. Rool, rather than a new costume, just because it's been long enough that he ought to be reestablished in his iconic wardrobe. Thoughts?

To be fair, there's also the Gangplank Galleon-sized bevy of Mii-themed stages (Pilotwings, Tomodachi Collection, Find Mii, etc).

I can't really say I'd care whether K. Rool returns in his "king" persona or not. I'd like him to take on a new persona for tradition's sake (and I'd like to have a new theme for the enemies instead of just old types of Kremlings), but the king design is the most recognizable. It wouldn't really matter to me. I'd probably be too happy to see him return for it to make a difference to me.

 

[Pacack]

As far as K. Rool returning in a new DKC, I've heard it mentioned that he ought to return as regular King K. Rool, rather than a new costume, just because it's been long enough that he ought to be reestablished in his iconic wardrobe. Thoughts?

In Smash, he needs his King persona.

In a new DK game, I'm not so sure. Maybe show him in King attire at the beginning of the game and show him changing his persona this time around?

 

[cephalopod17]

I think that for Smash, he should be in his King persona. It's his most famous and recognizable. As for a new DK game, it would be nice to see him in a new koustume.

Do you guys think we will get K. Rool for the Smash Bros. Direct? I think it's certainly possible, because Rosalina was announced after all four Brawl Mario Veterans. The only veteran series that have all the veterans announced are DK, Kid Icarus, Sonic and Pikmin. (Technically Metroid, if you wanted to count Samus and ZZS as one). Sonic and Pikmin probably won't see a newcomer, so that leaves DK and Kid Icarus. Of course this method does not apply for new series, like Wii Fit, Punch-Out, Xenoblade etc.

 

[False Sense]

I think that for Smash, he should be in his King persona. It's his most famous and recognizable. As for a new DK game, it would be nice to see him in a new koustume.

Do you guys think we will get K. Rool for the Smash Bros. Direct? I think it's certainly possible, because Rosalina was announced after all four Brawl Mario Veterans. The only veteran series that have all the veterans announced are DK, Kid Icarus, Sonic and Pikmin. (Technically Metroid, if you wanted to count Samus and ZZS as one). Sonic and Pikmin probably won't see a newcomer, so that leaves DK and Kid Icarus. Of course this method does not apply for new series, like Wii Fit, Punch-Out, Xenoblade etc.

Some people are thinking that Tom Nook will be shown off. Animal Crossing is technically complete. There's also the possibility of them revealing random veterans, as well, which seems almost likely at this point, considering that this Direct is most likely the cause of the character drought in March. So they could potentially reveal any veterans needed to complete a series, and then follow up with a newcomer to the series. So really, anything is fair game with this Direct.

As for K. Rool, it's certainly possible. Though as one of the biggest hype-builders they have to offer, I would think he'd be a bit more suited for an E3 reveal than this. He might just be too big for this one. Though on that note, I don't think Dixie is. Remember, this is the first Direct we've had since the release of Tropical Freeze and the reveal of Diddy. I'm sure that Dixie supporters see this as the prime opportunity for her reveal. If she is revealed, then that's a rather big blow to K. Rool's chances. On the other hand, if she isn't revealed, that's the "best" time to reveal her being passed by (by "best," I mean that the February Direct would have been the best time).

 

[Xzsmmc]

Just a minor thought, but instead of clapping when he loses a match, Rool should throw a tantrum in the background, swinging his fists and stomping around. Or trying to rush the winner with a few Kritters trying to hold him back.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Not the topic for this but why are people still expecting Miis so... (dunno the word for it) as a given playable newcomer?

Personally I see way too many problems for them (mainly the whole modelling a dictator Mii thing, like the Hitlers that used to be abundant) to even consider them but I'd like to hear an opinion from you guys.
I figure at least it'll be more or less unbiased. I'm not looking for a full-blown discussion-- just an idea of why. Cause I'm earnestly baffled.

@ BowserK.Rool Not to mention how awesome the fan name for that incarnation that is/was in circulation.
Viking K. Rool!

I mean that is simple brilliance at it's finest!

I agree, it defintley has a nice ring to it.

While the Mii discussion belongs in the regular discussion thread, I think people's expectation for them despite them being the absolute worst possible newcomer addition is one, the E3 leak, and two, Sakurai's mention of customizability, which makes some people's mind jump to Miis (despite Sakurai mentioning you can change the direction of characters' moves, implying that all characters can be customized).

As far as K. Rool returning in a new DKC, I've heard it mentioned that he ought to return as regular King K. Rool, rather than a new costume, just because it's been long enough that he ought to be reestablished in his iconic wardrobe. Thoughts?

To be fair, there's also the Gangplank Galleon-sized bevy of Mii-themed stages (Pilotwings, Tomodachi Collection, Find Mii, etc).

I can't really say I'd care whether K. Rool returns in his "king" persona or not. I'd like him to take on a new persona for tradition's sake (and I'd like to have a new theme for the enemies instead of just old types of Kremlings), but the king design is the most recognizable. It wouldn't really matter to me. I'd probably be too happy to see him return for it to make a difference to me.

Same here, I think he looks best as a king and I'd be happy to see him return as that in any dk game but I wouldn't mind a new persona either if there's a certain theme to it like the pirate and mad scientist ones.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

I'm starting to lose hope of seeing King K Rool..

 

[False Sense]

I'm starting to lose hope of seeing King K Rool..

Out of curiosity, why?

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Out of curiosity, why?

I really want King K Rool, don't get me wrong on that, I like King K Rool, but as of now, I'm not going to say he's not going to be put in, but I'm merely just going to say I can't expect it.

Reason, maybe if say he gets overlooked, by this I mean say Sakurai thinks Bowser is good enough to put in a showdown with DK, I know it sounds kind of silly, but King K Rool has always been left with nothing because he's always compared to Bowser and of course Bowser beats him in the comparison, this is what I'm worried about, that the final decision is DK series doesn't need another character and even if they did King K Rool is the same thing as Bowser.

Or maybe King K Rool is merely a Assist Trophy, I would not be the slightest bit surprised if this happened.

I don't agree with that, but it could happen, I hope it doesn't.

 

[False Sense]

I really want King K Rool, don't get me wrong on that, I like King K Rool, but as of now, I'm not going to say he's not going to be put in, but I'm merely just going to say I can't expect it.

Reason, maybe if say he gets overlooked, by this I mean say Sakurai thinks Bowser is good enough to put in a showdown with DK, I know it sounds kind of silly, but King K Rool has always been left with nothing because he's always compared to Bowser and of course Bowser beats him in the comparison, this is what I'm worried about, that the final decision is DK series doesn't need another character and even if they did King K Rool is the same thing as Bowser.

Or maybe King K Rool is merely a Assist Trophy, I would not be the slightest bit surprised if this happened.

I don't agree with that, but it could happen, I hope it doesn't.

I don't think K. Rool is competing with Bowser at all...

And I doubt he's just going to get overlooked. K. Rool is too much of a big character request for Sakurai not to take notice.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

I don't think K. Rool is competing with Bowser at all...

And I doubt he's just going to get overlooked. K. Rool is too much of a big character request for Sakurai not to take notice.

Gee thanks, that somewhat makes me worry less about seeing King K Rool added.

 

[BKupa666]

Some people are thinking that Tom Nook will be shown off. Animal Crossing is technically complete. There's also the possibility of them revealing random veterans, as well, which seems almost likely at this point, considering that this Direct is most likely the cause of the character drought in March. So they could potentially reveal any veterans needed to complete a series, and then follow up with a newcomer to the series. So really, anything is fair game with this Direct.

As for K. Rool, it's certainly possible. Though as one of the biggest hype-builders they have to offer, I would think he'd be a bit more suited for an E3 reveal than this. He might just be too big for this one. Though on that note, I don't think Dixie is. Remember, this is the first Direct we've had since the release of Tropical Freeze and the reveal of Diddy. I'm sure that Dixie supporters see this as the prime opportunity for her reveal. If she is revealed, then that's a rather big blow to K. Rool's chances. On the other hand, if she isn't revealed, that's the "best" time to reveal her being passed by (by "best," I mean that the February Direct would have been the best time).

Correction, one person thinks Tom Nook is going to be shown off. That person also believes we're getting 5 or more shock newcomers, just for the 'yuks.

A handful of users, mainly the GameFAQs bandwagoners who were so sure Dixie was coming in February, have managed to convince themselves that this was no big deal, and that she's a shoo-in for the next reveal or whatever (and if that doesn't happen, it's gonna be "Oh, she's obviously unlockable."). Could that happen? Yeah, and it wouldn't really be fun, because it would put K. Rool fans on the defensive all the way up until release. "He has no chance! One DK Rep! Part of Mario! Irrelevant!" and so on. Whatever the newcomer is, though, I have a feeling it won't be promoting anything, since it's a Smash Direct, not a regular Nintendo one. This is the opportunity to show off the Takamarus, Palutenas, or, if we're lucky, K. Rools of the game.

 

[False Sense]

Correction, one person thinks Tom Nook is going to be shown off. That person also believes we're getting 5 or more shock newcomers, just for the 'yuks.

A handful of users, mainly the GameFAQs bandwagoners who were so sure Dixie was coming in February, have managed to convince themselves that this was no big deal, and that she's a shoo-in for the next reveal or whatever (and if that doesn't happen, it's gonna be "Oh, she's obviously unlockable."). Could that happen? Yeah, and it wouldn't really be fun, because it would put K. Rool fans on the defensive all the way up until release. "He has no chance! One DK Rep! Part of Mario! Irrelevant!" and so on. Whatever the newcomer is, though, I have a feeling it won't be promoting anything, since it's a Smash Direct, not a regular Nintendo one. This is the opportunity to show off the Takamarus, Palutenas, or, if we're lucky, K. Rools of the game.

Actually, that does raise an interesting question.

What if Dixie is not shown off in this Direct? This seems like a fairly good time to reveal her if, for whatever reason, she could not have been shown off in the February Direct. If she gets passed over once again, how will that bode for K. Rool's chances?

 

[FalKoopa]

Actually, that does raise an interesting question.

What if Dixie is not shown off in this Direct? This seems like a fairly good time to reveal her if, for whatever reason, she could not have been shown off in the February Direct. If she gets passed over once again, how will that bode for K. Rool's chances?

If you are of the opinion that K. Rool is competing with Dixie for the 3rd DK spot (I'll admit that I do somewhat think so) then it bodes well for him. If not, then it doesn't really affect his chances.

 

[False Sense]

If you are of the opinion that K. Rool is competing with Dixie for the 3rd DK spot (I'll admit that I do somewhat think so) then it bodes well for him. If not, then it doesn't really affect his chances.

Personally, I don't really see us getting more than one Donkey Kong newcomer. Really, I just don't see any series gaining more than one new character this time around. If we aren't getting that many newcomers total, it'd be better off spreading out the newcomers to come from different series so as to appeal to wider audiences. So, I think we'll likely get one or the other. I will say that DK is one of the more likely series to get two newcomers, though, if that sort of thing were to happen.

 

[BKupa666]

I'd go with "doesn't really affect his chances."

If anything, I'd be more worried about Sakurai showing off some new Adventure Mode and being like, "Each character fights a unique boss. Mega Man fights the Yellow Devil. Donkey Kong and Samus face some familiar faces from their past as well..."

 

[FlareHabanero]

If anything, I'd be more worried about Sakurai showing off some new Adventure Mode and being like, "Each character fights a unique boss. Mega Man fights the Yellow Devil. Donkey Kong and Samus face some familiar faces from their past as well..."

Now watch, it's going to be Army Dillo and Draygon respectively just to **** with us.

 

[FalKoopa]

It should be KAOS.

 

[Zynux]

Thanks, Zynux. Glad you like it!

Haha! You're welcome man! It's a great pic

I'd go with "doesn't really affect his chances."

If anything, I'd be more worried about Sakurai showing off some new Adventure Mode and being like, "Each character fights a unique boss. Mega Man fights the Yellow Devil. Donkey Kong and Samus face some familiar faces from their past as well..."

I can't believe I didn't even think of this

Yeah, that's when I would start worrying about the entire roster.

 

[Banjodorf]

I can't believe I didn't even think of this

Yeah, that's when I would start worrying about the entire roster.

Yeesh. I really hope he doesn't say something like that about the adventure mode, otherwise I'm going to have a tough time sleeping for a while.

Unless he decides to throw us a bone and reveal K. Rool on Tuesday. Anything could happen really.

 

[TCRhade]

Hail to the King, baby. I'll pray for K. Rool this Tuesday.

 

[shrooby]

I'd go with "doesn't really affect his chances."

If anything, I'd be more worried about Sakurai showing off some new Adventure Mode and being like, "Each character fights a unique boss. Mega Man fights the Yellow Devil. Donkey Kong and Samus face some familiar faces from their past as well..."

Oh, I wouldn't worry about that. It would probably just end up being King K. Rool's brother Kaptain K. Rool.

 

[BKupa666]

Also, it's come to my attention that K. Rool has been garnering a handful of votes for the Rate Their Chances' latest round. I've asked whether any of those voters would care to share their rationales, but none of them have obliged; it seems their votes were little more than cathartic 'take thats' to a character they perceive to be getting in their favorites' way. As such, let's try some introspection in here; do we overrate K. Rool's chances? Where do we do so, if we do?

 

[Deleted member]

"(Just don't do a deviantART search.)"
Oh dear...

Also, it's come to my attention that K. Rool has been garnering a handful of votes for the Rate Their Chances' latest round. I've asked whether any of those voters would care to share their rationales, but none of them have obliged; it seems their votes were little more than cathartic 'take thats' to a character they perceive to be getting in their favorites' way. As such, let's try some introspection in here; do we overrate K. Rool's chances? Where do we do so, if we do?

I don't find K. Rool to be terribly overrated to be honest. He should stick with his respectable 60%+ score with his uniqueness and fan demand worldwide. He is in a good situation that will help him get in Smash.

 

[UltimateWario]

I'd go with "doesn't really affect his chances."

If anything, I'd be more worried about Sakurai showing off some new Adventure Mode and being like, "Each character fights a unique boss. Mega Man fights the Yellow Devil. Donkey Kong and Samus face some familiar faces from their past as well..."

"Some characters fight other playable characters, though, so don't worry!"

Otherwise, who the **** would Ganondorf and Bowser fight?

 

[shrooby]

Also, it's come to my attention that K. Rool has been garnering a handful of votes for the Rate Their Chances' latest round. I've asked whether any of those voters would care to share their rationales, but none of them have obliged; it seems their votes were little more than cathartic 'take thats' to a character they perceive to be getting in their favorites' way. As such, let's try some introspection in here; do we overrate K. Rool's chances? Where do we do so, if we do?

Before we can talk about K. Rool specifically, there's something else we must do. I'll get back to that after some set-up...
If I say that you've overrated a character, then I'm criticizing your methods of rating the character's chances for inclusion, obviously. But these methods of evaluation, while seeming like something that should be unanimously decided upon by the community, differ from speculator to speculator. One can, for example, see a character's popularity as significantly more important than say, how important the character is to their franchise. Meanwhile someone else sees it the other way around. But neither view is necessarily wrong since we don't concretely know that actual methods through which characters are chosen for the roster. We have a somewhat general understanding, sure, but a Sakurai's "criteria" can be interpreted wildly; which is why I say that we don't "concretely know."
So, with this line of thought, bringing up how we possibly overestimate K. Rool's chances doesn't potentially solve what some may see as the underlying "problem." To get right down to it, the first thing we must do is ask ourselves "Is the way we rate a character's chances overall closest to the 'right' way?" So don't just ask yourselves about K. Rool. Effectively ask yourself about every character you've ever rated. (Don't actually do that! That's not literal!)

Once we sort that out, then we can go case by case to see if we even have our "facts" straight. For example, is K. Rool as popular as we claim he is? Is his uniqueness that apparent? Is he even that unique in the first place? Etc.

 

[False Sense]

Also, it's come to my attention that K. Rool has been garnering a handful of votes for the Rate Their Chances' latest round. I've asked whether any of those voters would care to share their rationales, but none of them have obliged; it seems their votes were little more than cathartic 'take thats' to a character they perceive to be getting in their favorites' way. As such, let's try some introspection in here; do we overrate K. Rool's chances? Where do we do so, if we do?

Do we overrate K. Rool's chances? That is an excellent question.

It might be a little hard for any of us here to say, as anyone who supports K. Rool is likely going to have a little bit of bias, even if we don't want to admit it. I myself try my best to avoid any bias I can in regards to character chances (whether I'm successful or not is questionable). So, as for K. Rool's chances, I'd like to say that, as an individual character, they are fairly high. I think perhaps K. Rool's biggest selling point is his sheer amount of popularity. I was rather shocked to see just how much he was wanted; the fact that he overtook Mewtwo in want on the RTC thread was simply mindblowing to me. His inclusion into Smash would generate insane amount of hype for the game, and increase it's sales quite a bit, I'd imagine. But, of course, popularity alone cannot get a character onto the roster. They have to be important to their respective series. They have to be worthy of the title of Nintendo All-Star. K. Rool, however, fits this criteria. Even though K. Rool has been absent from the two latest Donkey Kong games (counting Country Returns on Wii and 3DS as one), he is still the main recurring antagonist of the Donkey Kong series. His importance to the series as whole cannot be denied. Now, the fact that he hasn't appeared in the most recent games is certainly his biggest issue, but I think he's still very far from being implausible. He's not so outdated to be out of place, I think, and he's certainly far from forgotten. And again, K. Rool is one of the most popular character requests for Smash. His inclusion would be tremendous for the game's overall success. So, when you have a character that is almost universally wanted, and the character, despite not appearing in the most recent games of his series, is still very important to his series overall, it seems like a smart move to add that character into the game. Thus, I think K. Rool is likely as a character choice.

Now, this doesn't take Dixie Kong into account. This is for K. Rool as an individual character. It's hard to say which is more likely, but I think it's fair to say they're about equal. K. Rool has a high chance of getting into the game; at the same time, so does Dixie. We'll probably get one or the other, but both have their justifications, and both are likely.

 

[BKupa666]

Before we can talk about K. Rool specifically, there's something else we must do. I'll get back to that after some set-up...
If I say that you've overrated a character, then I'm criticizing your methods of rating the character's chances for inclusion, obviously. But these methods of evaluation, while seeming like something that should be unanimously decided upon by the community, differ from speculator to speculator. One can, for example, see a character's popularity as significantly more important than say, how important the character is to their franchise. Meanwhile someone else sees it the other way around. But neither view is necessarily wrong since we don't concretely know that actual methods through which characters are chosen for the roster. We have a somewhat general understanding, sure, but a Sakurai's "criteria" can be interpreted wildly; which is why I say that we don't "concretely know."
So, with this line of thought, bringing up how we possibly overestimate K. Rool's chances doesn't potentially solve what some may see as the underlying "problem." To get right down to it, the first thing we must do is ask ourselves "Is the way we rate a character's chances overall closest to the 'right' way?" So don't just ask yourselves about K. Rool. Effectively ask yourself about every character you've ever rated. (Don't actually do that! That's not literal!)

Once we sort that out, then we can go case by case to see if we even have our "facts" straight. For example, is K. Rool as popular as we claim he is? Is his uniqueness that apparent? Is he even that unique in the first place? Etc.

That's been something I've thought about with regarding to rating character chances as well. There's also the simple explanation that some people assign percentage values based on just whatever number they personally feel comfortable doling out, then justify it after the fact with XYZ reasons.

The way I personally look at it, Sakurai being Sakurai could help or hurt any character, bar none, so there's no use in trying to rate based on the possibility of him screwing around unless he's explicitly said something about that character, like with Ridley or...Takamaru? Then, it's a matter of taking known criteria, such as popularity, uniqueness, and franchise balance, and trying to objectively compare that character's credentials to past newcomers.

As far as those criteria go, I think K. Rool having 60-something overall is perfectly justified. I personally gave him a 99% because there's no known reason not to expect him, despite there being a very real chance of him not happening based on unknown reasons. Is that biased? I don't think so. I saw K. Rool as having a great chance well before I became invested in his potential inclusion...I wouldn't have bothered getting invested if I didn't think he was probable.

 

[Xzsmmc]

K. Rool's immense popularity certainly helps his chances, but I can't help but wonder if his demand overseas is as high as his western demand. Sure, he was on that overall list of Japan's favorite potential candidates, but I can't help but wonder if that's a be-all, end all list. I remember hearing in the infamous Ridley interview that Sakurai expressed some surprise that Ridley was as popular as he was. Did he ever mention how he gauges popularity?

 

[shrooby]

That's been something I've thought about with regarding to rating character chances as well. There's also the simple explanation that some people assign percentage values based on just whatever number they personally feel comfortable doling out, then justify it after the fact with XYZ reasons.

The way I personally look at it, Sakurai being Sakurai could help or hurt any character, bar none, so there's no use in trying to rate based on the possibility of him screwing around unless he's explicitly said something about that character, like with Ridley or...Takamaru? Then, it's a matter of taking known criteria, such as popularity, uniqueness, and franchise balance, and trying to objectively compare that character's credentials to past newcomers.

As far as those criteria go, I think K. Rool having 60-something overall is perfectly justified. I personally gave him a 99% because there's no known reason not to expect him, despite there being a very real chance of him not happening based on unknown reasons. Is that biased? I don't think so. I saw K. Rool as having a great chance well before I became invested in his potential inclusion...I wouldn't have bothered getting invested if I didn't think he was probable.

Your methods and thought process, while differing from mine, do make perfect sense. And because they differ we arrive at different percentages. (Assuming the difference isn't a result of our "facts" about K. Rool not being relatively in-line with each other.) The question is, is your method of evaluation any more right or wrong than mine? Or anyone else's? Once you gather up the more...I'll just say "levelheaded" speculators, they're most likely still going to have different methods and though processes to evaluate likeliness, but those methods will have some arguably well-founded logic behind them, despite being different. However with different methods, they're most likely going to come to different rankings, despite arguably being well-founded.
Perhaps we as a community do overestimate K. Rool's chances, but I think, more likely, our methods for evaluation overall just differ without being inherently illogical.

 

[bellboy64]

I'm not overrating anything. I don't work for Nintendo, how could I possibly know how their mind works?
All I can run is on my own faith, hope and personal grasp of logic. And with King K. Rool it's the latter two. As I've searched the internet for other supporters (like this little corner of Kroc heaven!) the faith aspect has creeped in a little but I'm still grounded. There's a chance he won't get in. Till I see him the pants are staying on I make no moves.

He's got as good a chance as any I feel. I've mentioned (maybe not here, can't remember) before that we're at a point now I feel where we are running out of obvious choices. On top of BKupa's great breakdown on the front page. Heck, I wasn't expecting Rosalina to be in so soon considering she still seemed kinda "new" but alas. It's one of the main reasons I have my fingers tightly crossed. But I'm quite optimistic.

I'm afraid I'm kind of confused on what the issue is here. Are we being called out or something for not being "legit"? 'Cause in the grand scheme of things I don't really care if people hate him or me for that matter. There's no point. The hater's can hate all they like. Time is gonna tell.

Do I think we're overrating King K. Rool? The answer is simple. Heck. No.
(If anything I feel he deserves as much support as he can get. If he's not in 4, we need to be ready to make our voices heard for 5.)

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Also, it's come to my attention that K. Rool has been garnering a handful of votes for the Rate Their Chances' latest round. I've asked whether any of those voters would care to share their rationales, but none of them have obliged; it seems their votes were little more than cathartic 'take thats' to a character they perceive to be getting in their favorites' way. As such, let's try some introspection in here; do we overrate K. Rool's chances? Where do we do so, if we do?

I'd be more doubtful of K. Rool's chances if Mega man didn't happen.