K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[mynameisBlade]

The way I see King K. RoOl being a FOR SURE inclusion in SSB4 is a throwback to what False Sense was saying. I believe he would be next due to him being the 3rd Character in the Franchise. The 3rd Rep from each franchise has always turned out to be a villain, plain and simple. Must be a trend that Sakurai likes to stick with and it does seem like a good one.

I will only list Nintendo's "main" franchises with most character appearances from those franchises.
1. Mario Reps: Mario was 1st of course. Luigi was a HIDDEN CHARACTER making him 2nd. I would assume in this case from the first game to Melee that Bowser was always 3rd in their minds, Peach being the supportive 4th, and finally Rosalina as another supportive in 5th.

2. Lo Zelda Reps: Link is 1st. Zelda/Shiek were easily 2nd due to Ganondorf being unlockable. Ganondorf was indeed the 3rd rep, followed by the cloned Young Link covering the rear in 4th to expand roster size.(later replaced by Toon Link, but same scenario)

3. Pokemon Reps: Pikachu in 1st. Jigglypuff was randomly put in 2nd, why?, I am not sure what is so important about her... Mewtwo WAS the 3rd rep, while Pichu trailed in 4th due to being an exact clone of Pikachu...and a terrible clone at that.

4. Dreamland Reps: Kirby comes in 1st here no question. Meta-Knight was the 2nd Dreamland Rep to be revealed to the world, via SSBB's first CG trailer (Meta-Knight is NOT the Dreamland villain, but merely an anti-hero/rival of Kirby), which leaves King Dedede in plum 3rd as the main Dreamland villain.

5. Donkey Kong Reps: Donkey Kong got his banana's before any other Kong making him 1st, followed by Diddy Kong in 2nd, now who in the Heck could the 3rd rep be...hmmmmoOmmmm? WAIT, if there is a 4th rep who could THAT be and/or what role (4th place role has already been predetermined by so many other franchises cloned/semi-cloned characters being placed in this spot) would this particular person in the franchise play? Not another toss-in cloned character, right? Noooo wayyy...

This may be grasping at straws, but there is an undeniable stench in the air, and it smells like some Kroc is putting more and more of his weight on Dixie's scrawny, semi-clone body. P.S. Metroid would be on this list...but I am not even sure as to why Samus is still alone in these games...it is really sad and I did not want to put her up on her franchise by herself...and it would more than likely be the one franchise to kill this point if Ridley was confirmed as the ACTUAL 2nd rep for the metroid series, but IF that happens I guess we can say Sakurai DID ACTUALLY list Zero Suit as a Newcomer?! when it was STILL JUST Samus, but whatever...help me out guys? (Looks at Fox THEN Falco THEN!!! Wolf...) come on..

I do NOT doubt Dixie Kong making it into this game, but her potential gameplay is just NOT THERE in my eyes to be the talk of the town "Newcomer"...
HAIL TO THE KING!!!!!!!!!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, that would be awesome if that turned out to be true!

 

[False Sense]

The way I see King K. RoOl being a FOR SURE inclusion in SSB4 is a throwback to what False Sense was saying. I believe he would be next due to him being the 3rd Character in the Franchise. The 3rd Rep from each franchise has always turned out to be a villain, plain and simple. Must be a trend that Sakurai likes to stick with and it does seem like a good one.

I will only list Nintendo's "main" franchises with most character appearances from those franchises.
1. Mario Reps: Mario was 1st of course. Luigi was a HIDDEN CHARACTER making him 2nd. I would assume in this case from the first game to Melee that Bowser was always 3rd in their minds, Peach being the supportive 4th, and finally Rosalina as another supportive in 5th.

2. Lo Zelda Reps: Link is 1st. Zelda/Shiek were easily 2nd due to Ganondorf being unlockable. Ganondorf was indeed the 3rd rep, followed by the cloned Young Link covering the rear in 4th to expand roster size.(later replaced by Toon Link, but same scenario)

3. Pokemon Reps: Pikachu in 1st. Jigglypuff was randomly put in 2nd, why?, I am not sure what is so important about her... Mewtwo WAS the 3rd rep, while Pichu trailed in 4th due to being an exact clone of Pikachu...and a terrible clone at that.

4. Dreamland Reps: Kirby comes in 1st here no question. Meta-Knight was the 2nd Dreamland Rep to be revealed to the world, via SSBB's first CG trailer (Meta-Knight is NOT the Dreamland villain, but merely an anti-hero/rival of Kirby), which leaves King Dedede in plum 3rd as the main Dreamland villain.

5. Donkey Kong Reps: Donkey Kong got his banana's before any other Kong making him 1st, followed by Diddy Kong in 2nd, now who in the Heck could the 3rd rep be...hmmmmoOmmmm? WAIT, if there is a 4th rep who could THAT be and/or what role (4th place role has already been predetermined by so many other franchises cloned/semi-cloned characters being placed in this spot) would this particular person in the franchise play? Not another toss-in cloned character, right? Noooo wayyy...

This may be grasping at straws, but there is an undeniable stench in the air, and it smells like some Kroc is putting more and more of his weight on Dixie's scrawny, semi-clone body. P.S. Metroid would be on this list...but I am not even sure as to why Samus is still alone in these games...it is really sad and I did not want to put her up on her franchise by herself...and it would more than likely be the one franchise to kill this point if Ridley was confirmed as the ACTUAL 2nd rep for the metroid series, but IF that happens I guess we can say Sakurai DID ACTUALLY list Zero Suit as a Newcomer?! when it was STILL JUST Samus, but whatever...help me out guys? (Looks at Fox THEN Falco THEN!!! Wolf...) come on..

I do NOT doubt Dixie Kong making it into this game, but her potential gameplay is just NOT THERE in my eyes to be the talk of the town "Newcomer"...
HAIL TO THE KING!!!!!!!!!

Oh, I'm being referenced now? How nice.

In regards to the Metroid detail, I would think that series would be an exception to the pattern. Simply because the Metroid series lacks a proper sidekick character to be added in. In most games, Samus is out there alone, with no one but killer monsters to accompany her. So in that case, skipping a sidekick character and going straight to Ridley would make sense, as there is simply no other option.

Except, of course, Zero Suit Samus. It could be argued that this fills in the side kick role, but more as a "secondary protagonist" role. Sakurai has also gone on record saying how he counts the transformations of characters as their own individual characters, so Zero Suit Samus does count as a newcomer to the series. Either way, whether Zero Suit is counted or not, the pattern would still stand as a viable possibility. Therefore, it seems reasonable to expect King K. Rool as the more likely character to fill in that third DK slot on the roster.

 

[Diddy Kong]

King K.Rool should be first in line. Hopefully we'll still see Dixie join beside him. And perhaps in a later installment, Cranky can also join the force of Smash Bros.

 

[Groose]

In regards to the Metroid detail, I would think that series would be an exception to the pattern. Simply because the Metroid series lacks a proper sidekick character to be added in. In most games, Samus is out there alone, with no one but killer monsters to accompany her. So in that case, skipping a sidekick character and going straight to Ridley would make sense, as there is simply no other option.

Anyway, back to K. Rool. I think it would be glorious if his reveal trailer were to have "In a Snow-Bound Land" playing in the background while K. Rool ceremoniously slaughters everyone currently on the roster. It's just so calm and relaxing that it would fit into such a trailer really well if they turned down the sound effects.

 

[False Sense]

I said proper sidekick character.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Anthony is just that. In Metroid standards, he did amazing things for an NPC.

Anyway, hope to see some more DKC content soon.

 

[domriver]

Off topic - Anthony wasn't a huge supporting character at all for Samus if you guys played Other M. Was more like a close friend I believe.

On Topic- I agree with the fact that Sakurai should have taken advantage of this Tropical Freeze and debut Dixie Kong if she really is playable. Since that didn't happen im leaning more to the fact that she is probably just an assist trophy instead. Come forth King K Rool!.

 

[Dropkick JD]

I said proper sidekick character.

You ain't go not class and ya don't know how to treat a lady.

He's the end all be all of the term "proper". Anthony deserves to be in more than yo big green doofus crocodile.


All jokes aside, I still could see him making it in on a serious note. Why? ...Because who else besides Samus and Ridley? But that's for another thread.

 

[BKupa666]

There hasn't been any DK content shown at all aside from the playable two. We still have absolutely no idea what content its games are going to get in this game. On one hand, that makes me apprehensive, but on the other, it makes my mouth figuratively water over all of the possibilities. Literally anything could show up.

People have said that area through which Mario is jumping in the first trailer is from Returns, but I never saw this verified, only heard vague statements about the architecture appearing like that of the Ruins world from that game. What with people saying that vague green area from the newer Adventure Mode pic is from DK, it seems that 'DK' is the go-to answer for unknown stages. There's also DK running through the jungle at the start of the first trailer, which looks to be straight out of the intro to Returns, but that might not be indicative of stages, since as far as we know, Zelda's not getting a grassy stage with a Hyrule Castle backdrop, nor is Metroid with a vague science lab, for example.

 

[False Sense]

There hasn't been any DK content shown at all aside from the playable two. We still have absolutely no idea what content its games are going to get in this game. On one hand, that makes me apprehensive, but on the other, it makes my mouth figuratively water over all of the possibilities. Literally anything could show up.

People have said that area through which Mario is jumping in the first trailer is from Returns, but I never saw this verified, only heard vague statements about the architecture appearing like that of the Ruins world from that game. There's also DK running through the jungle at the start of that trailer, which looks to be straight out of the intro to Returns, but that might not be indicative of stages, since as far as we know, Zelda's not getting a grassy stage with a Hyrule Castle backdrop, for example.

I'm personally hoping for a Gangplank Galleon stage. I think that'd be pretty neat. Plus it would basically confirm K. Rool.

But I guess any sort of scenic jungle could also be nice. Unless it moves like the Rumble Falls stage did...

 

[domriver]

Never really liked Rumble Falls stage. Gangplank Galleon sounds great though :D

 

[BKupa666]

I'm personally hoping for a Gangplank Galleon stage. I think that'd be pretty neat. Plus it would basically confirm K. Rool.

But I guess any sort of scenic jungle could also be nice. Unless it moves like the Rumble Falls stage did...

So long as the jungle is Sunset Shore and not just generic Jungle. Unless you're some p*ick with an agenda from Gamespot, both of Retro's DKC games have been universally praised for their level diversity, and to have that not reflected in Smash would just be heartbreaking. And yet, forgive me for not being a Metroid Prime fan, but wasn't the Frigate Orpheon from like the first ten minutes of the first game in the trilogy? We may be due to a similar situation occurring with DK...

 

[_fiercedeity]

3. Pokemon Reps: Pikachu in 1st. Jigglypuff was randomly put in 2nd, why?, I am not sure what is so important about her... Mewtwo WAS the 3rd rep, while Pichu trailed in 4th due to being an exact clone of Pikachu...and a terrible clone at that.

Jigglypuff was put in due to her relevancy at the time. The Pokemon reps are heavily influenced by the anime, and due to her frequent appearance in the anime she remains one of the most well known Pokemon.

As for your point on Donkey Kong, I think you may be on to something my friend.

 

[UltimateWario]

And yet, forgive me for not being a Metroid Prime fan, but wasn't the Frigate Orpheon from like the first ten minutes of the first game in the trilogy? We may be due to a similar situation occurring with DK...

Yeah, it's the least interesting part of the game, and it's only there for the first fifteen minutes or so. It's much more interesting when it's in the ground and flooded.

Sakurai sure has awful taste in stages, especially when it comes to Metroid and DK, yet we get the Halberd and the Fountain of Dreams for Kirby instead of just "Green Greens over and over".

 

[False Sense]

Yeah, it's the least interesting part of the game, and it's only there for the first fifteen minutes or so. It's much more interesting when it's in the ground and flooded.

Sakurai sure has awful taste in stages, especially when it comes to Metroid and DK, yet we get the Halberd and the Fountain of Dreams for Kirby instead of just "Green Greens over and over".

Hey, Pokemon has it pretty bad too... The only "real" stages from Pokemon games we've gotten so far are Saffron City and Spear Pilllar. Everything else is just a made up Pokemon Stadium (or... giant pokemon... balloons...). Can't we get more actual locations from the games?

Well, on the bright side, the lack of stages we've seen so far leaves it open to potentially great stages.

 

[BKupa666]

I mean, the argument is clearly "those are the most recognizable places, so of course they're going to be stages." However, I still think you can spice up the stage design while still paying tribute to the recognizable parts of the games. Not sure how I'd handle Metroid (those fans surely have ideas, though), but for DK, an example would be to have a Mine Cart Madness stage that takes place primarily underground, but emerges out into the typical Kongo Jungle setting for brief stretches as well. That's not too much to ask for, I don't think.

Part of what makes the Gangplank Galleon such a great idea is that pirates and pirate ships are arguably just as prominent within the series as jungles, so it's still a familiar sight to most everyone who's played a DKC game, just not the same old, same old, either.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

I'd personally love to see a "generic jungle" stage that, instead of being truly generic, actually pulls recognizable elements from Returns' jungle and ruins levels. Having rotating circular ruins with platforms attached to them, screaming pillars (maybe they can collapse and crush players), and maybe some cameos by Rambi or Tikis in the background would be awesome. And maybe it could have a day-night aesthetic effect, whereby the players become silhouetted as the sky turns to sunset. There are a lot of cool ways in which a standard jungle setting can be given some sort of flair. The lack of recognizable elements are what made stages such as Kongo Jungle (Melee) a little boring, but this is a pitfall that is easily avoidable.

Of course, I agree with Kupa in that pirate-themed locations are just as prominent in the series, and Gangplank Galleon would be the perfect stage to represent that part of the franchise. Hopefully we get a third new stage as well, preferably (in my opinion) based on either the retro games or DK64. That way, the stages can span the majority of the important eras and locations of the DK series: arcade, "original Country"/64, and "new Country".

As an alternative to the suggested jungle stage, however, I'd also like to see the Golden Temple. Fruit platforms would be pretty rad.

 

[Deleted member]

Next trailer:

A fight is going on in the jungle. DK and Diddy are teamed up against Bowser for payback after what he did in SSE.
A large, menacing figure crashes in the middle of them. Bowser looks confused, Diddy is shocked, and DK is noticeably angrier. A sinister laugh is heard (which puts a smile on Bowser's face). The dust is cleared, and it's....

LORD FREDERICK!

-in thread-
"Boo!"
"What the ****, Golden?!"
"Throw peanuts at him!"

Hold your peanuts! I'm not done yet.

-back to trailer-

Lord Frederick reaches for the top of his helmet and.....pulls a zipper. He pulls it down, right in front of his whole body. And then we see.....

K. ROOL WAS WEARING A FREDERICK SUIT!

*K. Rool Krashes the Party!*

 

[BKupa666]

Not to boast or anything, buuuuut I did have the idea of the Kongs using their new pulling mechanic to unzip Fredrik for ages.

...that came out wrong.

So did that.

 

[Deleted member]

How many dirty fanfics have you inspired, BKupa?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Am getting irked by some Dixie supporters attitudes. Why can't we, as fans of DKC characters not support both characters? Personally, I support both, and even Cranky because **** it. Personally, I'd settle for anything as long as there's a newcomer. But no K.Rool would upset me more than the others. Mainly cause I also want K.Rool back in the main series.

 

[Reila]

Am getting irked by some Dixie supporters attitudes. Why can't we, as fans of DKC characters not support both characters? Personally, I support both, and even Cranky because **** it. Personally, I'd settle for anything as long as there's a newcomer. But no K.Rool would upset me more than the others. Mainly cause I also want K.Rool back in the main series.

That is me towards the attitude of some K. Rool supporters. I am not posting much here in this thread because some people apparently think they need to belittle Dixie to support our beloved fat crocodile. I agree with you, as Donkey Kong fans, we should support both characters and even if only one of them get in Smash as a playable character, that will be a big win for us already.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Just throwing this up here:

Let's not start a Civil War over spilt bananas

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah I guess it works both ways, there are stupid people on both side who feel a need to 'compete' with each other and I think that's not needed. Did Bowser and Peach fans argue pre-Melee? Did MetaKnight and King Dedede fans argue pre-Brawl? Why can't we have 2 DKC newcomers?

Don't be affraid to post here either my man, cause over here nobody is belittling Dixie. Or at least, people should refrain from doing that here. In general consensus, nobody here is opposed to Dixie at all. They just rather see K.Rool first. Because many here feel that King K.Rool could offer more as a character, since some people are apperantly set in their mindset that Dixie has to be a semi-clone of Diddy. While I do agree K.Rool would be more unique, I don't think of Dixie that way. And both characters could easily have an unique moveset.

However, a few rotten apples in the Dixie supporters are saying that Dixie's playable role in Tropical Freeze guarantees her playable status. And I feel many Dixie supporters only support her for that reason. They simply expect her, and thus warm themselves up for the idea, like many did with Little Mac.

The way I see it, both characters are popular and iconic enough to both be included. And so they should. I'd be upset by both of their absence in the roster, as regardless of what people think, K.Rool and Dixie are still my most wanted newcomers.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd be disappointed if Dixie was the only DK newcomer because of a couple of reasons. One, she already has been in Tropical Freeze so her place in the franchise is secure, and secondly her moveset has limited potential to be good. Part of the reason that Ridley got so popular as a newcomer in the first place was because Nintendo was snubbing Metroid, and K. Rool is in a similar place. Dixie Kong has nothing to lose from not being in this game, and K. Rool has everything to lose. I have no interest in playing as a clone of Diddy Kong who uses hair as a weapon. A giant crocodile king that has a pirate, evil scientist and boxer costume in the closet? Hello new main. Not to mention bringing him back into the DKC games would be good. Tiki Tong and Diet K. Rool don't exude much of a personality, and if Nintendo were to push the character here, I imagine he'd pop up in other games. No disrespect to Dixie fans, just my opinion.

Nothing against both.

 

[BlitznBurst]

If we do get any music from Tropical Freeze, Punch Bowl is an absolute must.

 

[mynameisBlade]

Jigglypuff was put in due to her relevancy at the time. The Pokemon reps are heavily influenced by the anime, and due to her frequent appearance in the anime she remains one of the most well known Pokemon.

As for your point on Donkey Kong, I think you may be on to something my friend.

Back when I played the first Super Smash, I was always curious as to why Jigglypuff was included. This helps me to understand more from a different standpoint.

I also agree on Gangplank Galleon as the main new DK stage! That would be awesome. Here is to hoping.

What are some characteristics you would want King K. Rool to have if he does get in? {Ex. He throws his crown and is vulnerable during the whole crown throw while turning his head constantly toward the camera} (DKC) Even if his design turned out to be the Paon design, I would still hope that he gets his crazy personal tid-bits.

 

[dimensionsword64]

If we do get any music from Tropical Freeze, Punch Bowl is an absolute must.

And this.
And this.
And this.
And about 50 more.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

And this.
And this.
And this.
And about 50 more.

Let's face it, some games are known more for their music than anything else.

 

[AncientTobacco]

A Gangplank Galleon stage would be amazing. They could have DK Island & Crocodile Isle in the background.

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler

Say what you want about Lord Frederick being a K. Rool wannabe, but he has an epic boss theme.

If Gangplank Galleon or any other K. Rool related stage is present, I hope one of the music tracks is this.

 

[BKupa666]

@GoldenYuiitusin, well, let's just say, once Fredrik revealed himself to me, the amount of Rule 34 material for him skyrocketed.

Gotta say, my favorite boss theme is the Punch Bowl theme for Bashmaster the Unbreakable, who so should have been the Smowmad leader with his love of popsicles (his would-be motive for freezing the island) and spiky hammer and everything. It's a little slower-paced than the final boss theme, but I still prefer it, since it sounds a bit more structured. It's also got some Bon Jovi-esque guitar instrumental goodness going on in the background.

As far as the Dixie stuff goes, guys, I trust you all's judgment as far as where the line lies between critical analysis of her chances or uniqueness (though, keep it on topic and related to K. Rool) and outright bashing her just for the hell of it. I personally think the "they're competing for a slot" mentality to be stupid, because they're nothing alike as characters and there has yet to be a Smash game where at least two series haven't gotten two newcomers in one go. So yeah, you don't have to stop talking about Dixie, and you definitely don't have to start supporting her, but recognize that what you say reflects on the collective Kutthroat fanbase outside of this thread. Keep things civil.

 

[Deleted member]

As a K. Rool fan, I won't bash her.


....as a Cranky fan, no promises.

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler

Say what you want about Lord Frederick being a K. Rool wannabe, but he has an epic boss theme.

If Gangplank Galleon or any other K. Rool related stage is present, I hope one of the music tracks is this.

Great track. I'm not usually into big guitar pieces, but Retro / David Wise have been able to channel the 90's with this and the bear's theme.

I believed when I first saw Lord Fererick that he hurt K. Rool's chances, but maybe not. It may be the opposite of what I initially thought, if the idea was to pay homage to K. Rool without going back on their modus operandi of creating all-new villains. I can respect that philosophy, and it gives some hope for K. Rool. You also have to give credit where it's due for the other villains in Tropical Freeze who are just as good as the DKC2 or DKC3 bosses in terms of personality and fitting those venerable stereotypes. This game is where Retro got their hands firmly on the reins.

If only I could afford a Wii U.

 

[SmashShadow]

Lets not forget about this baby right here. :D

 

[Sehnsucht]

Might as well replace the SSB4 OST exclusively with David Wise tracks at this rate.

 

[dimensionsword64]

Might as well replace the SSB4 OST exclusively with David Wise tracks at this rate.

Yes! Please do this Sakurai!

 

[False Sense]

Yes! Please do this Sakurai!

But... Donkey Kong isn't the only series with good music...

 

[dimensionsword64]

But... Donkey Kong isn't the only series with good music...

Then hire David Wise to remix all of the songs, including the ones that aren't from Donkey Kong. Then we'll have a perfect soundtrack.