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Nintendo just annouced Yo Kai Watch release date on twitter. Does this mean no Direct any time soon?
 
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You know, this whole poll has me thinking........if not K Rool...then who else? No I mean seriously, who else is a top contender that could be worthy enough?

Isaac: First thought, and perhaps he will get in, but his series seems in limbo. Also I understand most of his popularity is in the west only.
Wonder Red: Game sold poorly, Sakurai likes him so its possible.
Waddle Dee: Sakurai created him and doesn't like him. Sure he has a spear, but don't really see any reason to include mildly popular filler character
Inklings: Saved for next game
Banjo: Strong support, but does nintendo want to give Microsoft money?
Wolf: Doesn't need ballot to get in.
Krystal: Too much competition with Wolf.
Snake: Konami hates video games
Shantae/ Shovel Knight: Too insignificant, as 3rd party guests are all gaming icons, and these two are nowhere near that.
Rayman: Just maybe...I have a feeling he will be in Smash sooner or later.

As far as I see across the smash communities, the top contenders are K Rool/Isaac/Banjo. So if K Rool doesn't make the cut, would that just leave Isaac with the best shot?
Sales don't determined if a character should be in Smash or not. If that was the case, most of the roster would be filled with Mario and Pokemon characters. I do agree with the Inklings though.
 
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I've been following polls and conducting my own, and K Rool and Banjo are consistently in the top. For example, heres a poll with 13000 votes


As far as Waddle/Bandana Dee goes, I haven't seen a single poll where he's even in the top 10. His fans are vocal, but there just are not numbers out there.

Heres a tally of popularity among several of the major smash communities


Heres a poll I conducted the other day
http://strawpoll.me/5233699/r

Currently K Rool is still a front runner, however, Banjo seems to have lost momentum.
Yes, but popularity doesn't make Banjo a top contender, being owned by a direct competitor is a big obstacle. ICs are popular (in Japan, at least) as well, but they can't be considered top contenders either, due to having a massive obstacle against them.

And you didn't answer my question: How do you know that Sakurai doesn't like Waddle Dee? (and that :glare: was for the "filler character" part, I accidentally bolded more than I intended. I know that Dee's popularity in polls varies).
 
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Sales don't determined if a character should be in Smash or not. If that was the case, most of the roster would be filled with Mario and Pokemon characters. I do agree with the Inklings though.
Sales do relate to the future of the series though. Sakurai said he doesn't want to add to series without a future. Although you could reverse the statement and say that adding Wonder Red could save the games future, and maybe see a deserved sequel.
 

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Updated with the new ones at the top.

UNITY FOR K. ROOL:
Yay, my post is included!

So.........More questions:
1.What is your favorite boss fight of K.Rool?
2.What is your favorite level of DKC, DKC2 and DKC3 respectively? (feel free to mention DKCR and DKCTF as well)
3.What made you support K.Rool?
4.How do you reacted to the Mii costume?
5.How likely did you thought K.Rool was back when the Gematsu Leak was still alive?
6.Do you have any fond memories of K.Rool as a character?
7.What is your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? (if you have any)
1. I love the original, but Kaptain K. Rool you can't top.

2.I can't really decide which.

3. I have always love the DK franchise. The original arcade game was my first nintendo game believe it or not. The franchise always meant something to me. I also enjoy the DKC series, better yet I love it. K. Rool was one of my choices for the ballot and soon I decided to just support him.

4. Very upset and pissed off.

5. I actually never paid attention to the Gematsu leak when it was relevant.

6. Besides his inkredible singing voice with DK, his theme and design always stood out to me when I was littler and even now.

7. Dino Crunch.
Yes I'm serious that exists. It is blue ice cream with chocolate swirls and chocolate crunch pieces.
 

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I've been following polls and conducting my own, and K Rool and Banjo are consistently in the top. For example, heres a poll with 13000 votes


As far as Waddle/Bandana Dee goes, I haven't seen a single poll where he's even in the top 10. His fans are vocal, but there just are not numbers out there.

Heres a tally of popularity among several of the major smash communities


Heres a poll I conducted the other day
http://strawpoll.me/5233699/r

Currently K Rool is still a front runner, however, Banjo seems to have lost momentum.
Where is Shantae?
 
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Sales do relate to the future of the series though. Sakurai said he doesn't want to add to series without a future. Although you could reverse the statement and say that adding Wonder Red could save the games future, and maybe see a deserved sequel.
I agree, I don't see Wonder Red (in MY opinion) coming in Smash 4, maybe Smash 5.
 

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How do you know that Sakurai doesn't like Waddle Dee? (and that :glare: was for the "filler character" part, I accidentally bolded more than I intended. I know that Dee's popularity in polls varies).
Well first you can go with Sakurai bias. He crams all his babies into everything. "Bandana" Dee didn't even get a trophy in the game. And for that, Bandana Dee's officially referred to as Waddle Dee in recent Kirby Games. Waddle Dees have been the butt of jokes by Sakurai, and it seems that in his mind, he sees no difference between a generic Waddle Dee and one with a spear.

The filler part is based on the fact that Waddle Dee was promoted to playable in his games, because there was no one else to fill that role. Much like the two Toads in NSMB. Sure Waddle Dee has bit more presence in Rainbow Curse, but this time theres three of them, which starts to delude that fact that hes a unique character, and still just a filler character.

Keep in mind this is strictly my opinion..however what is not is the fact that based on strict numbers, Bandana Dee is not holding up compared to the other top contenders.
 
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Well first you can go with Sakurai bias. He crams all his babies into everything. "Bandana" Dee didn't even get a trophy in the game. And for that, Bandana Dee's officially referred to as Waddle Dee in recent Kirby Games. Waddle Dees have been the butt of jokes by Sakurai, and it seems that in his mind, he sees no difference between a generic Waddle Dee and one with a spear.

The filler part is based on the fact that Waddle Dee was promoted to playable in his games, because there was no one else to fill that role. Much like the two Toads in NSMB. Sure Waddle Dee has bit more presence in Rainbow Curse, but this time theres three of them, which starts to delude that fact that hes a unique character, and still just a filler character.

Keep in mind this is strictly my opinion..however what is not is the fact that based on strict numbers, Bandana Dee is not holding up compared to the other top contenders.
Yes, I agree with the Sakurai bias thing, there isn't a lot of content from the newer games, although not having a trophy doesn't necessarily mean anything, Roy didn't have one until he was added as DLC and I don't think that Isaac has one either. The last thing is just an assumption, it could be or not to be true. (I haven't played Rainbow Curse, but I think I've seen someone to mention that some new character in it (Elline?) creates the two other Waddle Dees in the beginning of the game).

But different opinions, I guess (I know, I say this a lot). Let's just move on.
 
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I'm sorry I keep mentioning this, but am I the only one who finds it weird that Sakurai STILL hasn't mentioned K. Rool in any way, shape, or form? Like, I know he left Ridley fans hanging for months, but this is the first time in a while I have seen Smash Bros. get such negative feedback (except maybe Tournament mode took precedence). It's been 3 weeks since the announcement and people are still making jokes about K. Rool / Mii costumes (in general).

Anyway, I feel like Bandanna Dee has a pretty good chance, actually. The one thing I can see Sakurai doing is saying that he couldn't get a good read on his personality (which, admittedly, I don't know if the character has much personality). It seems to me that, the way Sakurai makes characters isn't that he cares about faithfully making movesets, but rather faithfully re-creating their personality. I'm going to assume that this is what he meant when he said that quote. Bandanna Dee doesn't really have the luxury of having a big personality.

I don't know how I feel about this mindset. This is the same mindset that got rid of Ridley. I'm afraid that he'll find some convoluted way to apply this to King K. Rool. He has a defined personality, but if he says that he can't display it in the game, then he won't add the character. I think that, while Ganondorf's moveset doesn't represents the games, he still (kind of) comes off as a strong magic entity, which I feel like is the only thing that Sakurai cared about while making the character. Even if K. Rool gets in, this mindset may affect his moves (like, instead of a Blunderbuss, he has some other method of attacking to show how insane he is).
 
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I'm sorry I keep mentioning this, but am I the only one who finds it weird that Sakurai STILL hasn't mentioned K. Rool in any way, shape, or form? Like, I know he left Ridley fans hanging for months, but this is the first time in a while I have seen Smash Bros. get such negative feedback (except maybe Tournament mode took precedence). It's been 3 weeks since the announcement and people are still making jokes about K. Rool / Mii costumes (in general).
I hope that, if K. Rool isn't going to be DLC, he confirms it sooner rather than later. I don't want to be tormented again, like between Ridley's tease and confirmation as a boss.
 

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I'm sorry I keep mentioning this, but am I the only one who finds it weird that Sakurai STILL hasn't mentioned K. Rool in any way, shape, or form? Like, I know he left Ridley fans hanging for months, but this is the first time in a while I have seen Smash Bros. get such negative feedback (except maybe Tournament mode took precedence). It's been 3 weeks since the announcement and people are still making jokes about K. Rool / Mii costumes (in general).

Anyway, I feel like Bandanna Dee has a pretty good chance, actually. The one thing I can see Sakurai doing is saying that he couldn't get a good read on his personality (which, admittedly, I don't know if the character has much personality). It seems to me that, the way Sakurai makes characters isn't that he cares about faithfully making movesets, but rather faithfully re-creating their personality. I'm going to assume that this is what he meant when he said that quote. Bandanna Dee doesn't really have the luxury of having a big personality.

I don't know how I feel about this mindset. This is the same mindset that got rid of Ridley. I'm afraid that he'll find some convoluted way to apply this to King K. Rool. He has a defined personality, but if he says that he can't display it in the game, then he won't add the character. I think that, while Ganondorf's moveset doesn't represents the games, he still (kind of) comes off as a strong magic entity, which I feel like is the only thing that Sakurai cared about while making the character. Even if K. Rool gets in, this mindset may affect his moves (like, instead of a Blunderbuss, he has some other method of attacking to show how insane he is).
This is still good news for Smash. Sakurai and Nintendo have gone out of their way to deconfirm characters like Ridley, Chrom and Waluigi in the past. Especially when its controversial. Following the Robin announcement, Nintendo was clear on social media that he wasn't getting in.

Similar reaction happened this time for K Rool, and Nintendo has been quiet. If K Rool was official out of consideration, Nintendo would have said it already. I have a feeling that K Rool is at least high up on their considered list for DLC at the moment.

The fact that Sakurai said personality is one of the biggest factors for characters bodes well for K Rool. He has the demand, and the moveset potential too. The only thing he doesn't have is relevancy, however this is different compared to characters from series that aren't getting new games. The DKC series is still being updated and literally all it takes for this factor to be removed is Retro adding K Rool in Arctic Heat.
 

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This is still good news for Smash. Sakurai and Nintendo have gone out of their way to deconfirm characters like Ridley, Chrom and Waluigi in the past. Especially when its controversial. Following the Robin announcement, Nintendo was clear on social media that he wasn't getting in.

Similar reaction happened this time for K Rool, and Nintendo has been quiet. If K Rool was official out of consideration, Nintendo would have said it already. I have a feeling that K Rool is at least high up on their considered list for DLC at the moment.

The fact that Sakurai said personality is one of the biggest factors for characters bodes well for K Rool. He has the demand, and the moveset potential too. The only thing he doesn't have is relevancy, however this is different compared to characters from series that aren't getting new games. The DKC series is still being updated and literally all it takes for this factor to be removed is Retro adding K Rool in Arctic Heat.
I'm thinking the only chance of him not being added is if hes being saved for the next Smash since Smash usually includes new characters from the last gen console, but the only notable character from the Wii U is the Inkling and they have to have some interesting characters for the next game
 

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This is still good news for Smash. Sakurai and Nintendo have gone out of their way to deconfirm characters like Ridley, Chrom and Waluigi in the past. Especially when its controversial. Following the Robin announcement, Nintendo was clear on social media that he wasn't getting in.

Similar reaction happened this time for K Rool, and Nintendo has been quiet. If K Rool was official out of consideration, Nintendo would have said it already. I have a feeling that K Rool is at least high up on their considered list for DLC at the moment.

The fact that Sakurai said personality is one of the biggest factors for characters bodes well for K Rool. He has the demand, and the moveset potential too. The only thing he doesn't have is relevancy, however this is different compared to characters from series that aren't getting new games. The DKC series is still being updated and literally all it takes for this factor to be removed is Retro adding K Rool in Arctic Heat.
They never 100% deconfirmed Ridley. Some fans were left confused and tried reaching out to Nintendo for a straight forward answer but received nothing. All that was stated was that "An enemy from Samus's past could appear any second now." Nintendo let this situation continue for over a year.
 

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Just to clarify, I wasn't saying that he doesn't have the personality. I think his personality is the best thing about the character (among other things). And I'm sure Sakurai will see that. The thing I am scared about is him casually saying "since DK's big in this game, King K. Rool would be too small." (basically a BS excuse like with Ridley).
 

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Just to clarify, I wasn't saying that he doesn't have the personality. I think his personality is the best thing about the character (among other things). And I'm sure Sakurai will see that. The thing I am scared about is him casually saying "since DK's big in this game, King K. Rool would be too small." (basically a BS excuse like with Ridley).
DK and K Rool were the same hight in DK64. Size is literally the least concern K Rool has.
 

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I know that it wouldn't be an issue, but Ridley was the same size as Samus in the original Metroid. I'm worried if Sakurai himself finds it an issue. I think K. Rool is the perfect size and has no reason to not be in Smash Bros.

EDIT: To summarize all of my ramblings, I'm saying that I still think K. Rool has a great chance but the only thing in the way is Sakurai's methodologies.
 
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The problem with Ridley wasn't his size, it was rather his shape. With a scrawny body, long thin tail and large wings, he is tricky (but by no means impossible) to make. Just look at most of the older Brawl hacks. The new ones do a pretty good job though.

K. Rool has similar proprtions to Bowser and (to a lesser extent, Charizard), so he should have no difficulty fitting in.
 

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They never 100% deconfirmed Ridley. Some fans were left confused and tried reaching out to Nintendo for a straight forward answer but received nothing. All that was stated was that "An enemy from Samus's past could appear any second now." Nintendo let this situation continue for over a year.
However, the situation is kinda different, since they only showed the shadow that time, instead of fully show Ridley. Compared to our situation, it would be like showing just the crown or the foot and then the costume months later. Iirc, Sakurai's interview about Ridley came shortly after his confirmation as a stage boss.
 

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DK and K Rool were the same hight in DK64. Size is literally the least concern K Rool has.
In the DK64 ending, that is. In DK64's boss battle K. Rool is by far at his biggest. Then in spinoff games he's either the same height as DK, or just a tad bit taller. K. Rool is also shorter as Kaptain K. Rool compared to how he was as King K. Rool in DKC.


In the sense of size, he's Bowser.
 

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I agree that he has no difficulty fitting in. He's honestly one of the most fitting characters to be in Smash. I was just making a random example about Sakurai, not actually concerned about his size.
 

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The problem with Ridley wasn't his size, it was rather his shape. With a scrawny body, long thin tail and large wings, he is tricky (but by no means impossible) to make. Just look at most of the older Brawl hacks. The new ones do a pretty good job though.

K. Rool has similar proprtions to Bowser and (to a lesser extent, Charizard), so he should have no difficulty fitting in.
He's actually more similar to a taller Wario with an eventual tail because of his big girth and stubby legs.
 
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So.........More questions:
1.What is your favorite boss fight of K.Rool?
2.What is your favorite level of DKC, DKC2 and DKC3 respectively? (feel free to mention DKCR and DKCTF as well)
3.What made you support K.Rool?
4.How do you reacted to the Mii costume?
5.How likely did you thought K.Rool was back when the Gematsu Leak was still alive?
6.Do you have any fond memories of K.Rool as a character?
7.What is your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? (if you have any)
1. Kaptain K. Rool, hands down.
2. Can't choose
3. I just thought he'd be an awesome character in smash and DK should have his villain.
4. Abandon ship, were done here.
5. Impossible
6. Beating him in the first DKC, it took so long but when I finally did it it felt so great.
7. Ice Cream Sandwich is that counts
 

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I know that it wouldn't be an issue, but Ridley was the same size as Samus in the original Metroid. I'm worried if Sakurai himself finds it an issue. I think K. Rool is the perfect size and has no reason to not be in Smash Bros.
Well if sakurai has such a problem with K. Rool's size he should first try addressing the issue of DK and Diddy's size.

Seriously in their first game together DK and Diddy are the same height.
 

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Before this turns into a Ridley and King K. Rool comparison conversation, I was making a random example, not actually concerned about his height. I agree with all of you guys and was saying that Sakurai would be making a bad decision by explaining his (hopefully unlikely) deconfirmation in such an asinine way.
 

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Finally made my submission to the photo contest


"The Kremling Rap (abbreviated) King K. King K. Rool. He's the leader of the bunch. You know him well. He might be back, to smash the apes. his many personas, offer a variety of skills. Come on DK take it to the fridge."

Hope it does the King justice.
 
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Before this turns into a Ridley and King K. Rool comparison conversation, I was making a random example, not actually concerned about his height. I agree with all of you guys and was saying that Sakurai would be making a bad decision by explaining his (hopefully unlikely) deconfirmation in such an asinine way.
Don't worry. It's not a bad topic, is it?
 

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It's not a bad topic for discussion and I agree with everything said, but I wanted to clarify that when I made my initial point, it wasn't a K. Rool size discussion and it was a discussion about how few possible ways there are to logically deconfirm this character. I wanted to clear up that misunderstanding.
 

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I know that it wouldn't be an issue, but Ridley was the same size as Samus in the original Metroid. I'm worried if Sakurai himself finds it an issue. I think K. Rool is the perfect size and has no reason to not be in Smash Bros.

EDIT: To summarize all of my ramblings, I'm saying that I still think K. Rool has a great chance but the only thing in the way is Sakurai's methodologies.
The big difference her isn't so much Ridleys size, but his wingspan and tail. His torso can be small, but his wings make up most of his body.

K Rool doesn't have wings...arguably doesn't have a tail.
 

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So.........More questions:
1.What is your favorite boss fight of K.Rool?
2.What is your favorite level of DKC, DKC2 and DKC3 respectively? (feel free to mention DKCR and DKCTF as well)
3.What made you support K.Rool?
4.How do you reacted to the Mii costume?
5.How likely did you thought K.Rool was back when the Gematsu Leak was still alive?
6.Do you have any fond memories of K.Rool as a character?
7.What is your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? (if you have any)
1. Probably the Kaptain one from DKC2. Perfect atmosphere, and I love the arsenal of projectiles he's using, including swirling, bouncing spiked cannonballs and status gases.
2. For DKC1, probably Oil Drum Alley if only for the incredibly catchy music, or Tanked Up Trouble for its fuel gimmick. For DKC2, Hornet Hole, I love the hive aesthetics. And for DKC3, I've not played this game since forever, so I'm not going to answer this, sorry.
3. I've considered King K. Rool as a potential character addition since the Brawl era, though for a long time I didn't know how to imagine a moveset for him and I feared that he would be another typical and not so interesting heavyweight. This is now my least of my concern, especially thanks to the amazingly well written OP of this thread, so I truly feel like supporting him.
4. At first it seemed absolutely unreal, I couldn't believe what I saw on my screen, then when I fully realized that it was real I got confused, angered, and it made me fear that Sakurai was truly willing to put him down to the same level to obvious no-hopers like Chrom or Dunban. Now I got over it, in a "expect the worst, hope for the best" situation.
5. I can't answer to this, sorry.
6. Yes, mostly his cutscenes in Donkey Kong 64. It was cool to see the game's progression from the antagonist's viewpoint, and it was funny to see how he literally gets angry at how he was underestimating the Kongs.
 
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So.........More questions:
1.What is your favorite boss fight of K.Rool?
2.What is your favorite level of DKC, DKC2 and DKC3 respectively? (feel free to mention DKCR and DKCTF as well)
3.What made you support K.Rool?
4.How do you reacted to the Mii costume?
5.How likely did you thought K.Rool was back when the Gematsu Leak was still alive?
6.Do you have any fond memories of K.Rool as a character?
7.What is your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? (if you have any)
1. Kaptain K. Rool
2. Often the minecart levels.
3. This thread.
4. Disbelief. A flat 'WAT'. Nothing about it made sense (nor does it make any sense now, in any case)
5. I had some hope. I was internally denying the leak, tbh.
6. His boss fights. I had been spoiled when I first encountered him, but that just made me swoon harder when I saw everything in action myself.
7. Vanilla.
 

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The problem with Ridley wasn't his size, it was rather his shape. With a scrawny body, long thin tail and large wings, he is tricky (but by no means impossible) to make. Just look at most of the older Brawl hacks. The new ones do a pretty good job though.

K. Rool has similar proprtions to Bowser and (to a lesser extent, Charizard), so he should have no difficulty fitting in.
Which is hilarious because he and Charizard have almost the same shape

-Long tail
-Long neck
-Unfolded wings that are rather big
-Can both fly
-Can both breathe fire
-Are both dragons


wing span is a little bigger but not so much so. I'm sorry I just can't Sakurai's logic, it borders on lunacy at points, However yes King K Rool, Dedede, and Bowser are more or less the same with different proportions.
 
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Which is hilarious because he and Charizard have almost the same shape

-Long tail
-Long neck
-Unfolded wings that are rather big
-Can both fly
-Can both breathe fire
-Are both dragons


wing span is a little bigger but not so much so. I'm sorry I just can't Sakurai's logic, it borders on lunacy at points, However yes King K Rool, Dedede, and Bowser are more or less the same with different proportions.
I knew it!


I remember when the 3DS game was leaking on twitch, the chat insisted beating the game with purple Charizard was a potential way to unlock Ridley.
 

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I knew it!


I remember when the 3DS game was leaking on twitch, the chat insisted beating the game with purple Charizard was a potential way to unlock Ridley.
You joke but honestly if you make Charizard thinner it would make its wings appear bigger and as for as neck length goes he and Ridley are the same. Tail length is almost the same however looking a Mewtwo and its terrifying reach, making the tail longer or a central damaging tool wouldn't be off model or unfaithful to the character. However I digress, back to K Rool.
 

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who else is hoping for a K.Rool, Ridley, Medusa, Porky, hell Dark Matter, and Beast Ganon costume in Super Mario Maker?

dudes like Slippy and Waluigi just got revealed in SMM recently
 
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