Meta Jigglypuff Competitive and Metagame Discussion

[Soft Serve]

As of recently, Jigglypuff has had newfound significance because she's one of the new Fairy type Pokemon introduced in X/Y.

I'm actually pretty shocked that this didn't come into play in any of her customs, though. Imagine: Stationary Rollout that launches Star Bits conally ahead, called Dazzling Gleam. Yes please!

This would require effort/good, diverse design choices. Tbh, I'm supprised theres no custom rest that's just a counter

 

[Codaption]

I myself think there should have been a custom of rest that was essentially Melee Rest (maybe even stronger), but put a flower on YOUR head when you used it. It's a better idea for a custom than Wakie-Wakie, and also somewhat less arbitrary than Leaping Rest.

 

[Flippant]

Tfw you possibly just redefined the puff meta https://vine.co/v/eA9hjglMThl

 

[GeeHaus]

Tfw you possibly just redefined the puff meta https://vine.co/v/eA9hjglMThl

Speechless. The implications of this could be enormous.

 

[Flippant]

Right now SHFF Up air looks like it could set up for this at some %s. Also Fair at certain %s could too.

 

[drakeirving]

Can you take advantage of a missed tech by inputting dair while immediately jumping away? That would be my prime suspect.
Also, is this a weaker hitbox where you're hitting or just one of the weak hits in general?

 

[CHOVI]

Can you take advantage of a missed tech by inputting dair while immediately jumping away? That would be my prime suspect.
Also, is this a weaker hitbox where you're hitting or just one of the weak hits in general?

Wondering the same. If it could be used like Little Mac's down-air, that'd be amazing.

 

[Jiggly]

I'm trying to see if you can fast fall this, but to no avail...

 

[Jiggly]

reverse nair to rest is a combo at low percents, and can be strung at mid (killing) percents if they jump or dont move instead of attack or air dodge...

 

[Flippant]

Can you take advantage of a missed tech by inputting dair while immediately jumping away? That would be my prime suspect.
Also, is this a weaker hitbox where you're hitting or just one of the weak hits in general?

You can indeed fastfall it! The timing is strict though. You have to hit with less than 3 hits of the dair, which the main struggle. I'll post a vine of Fair-> FF Dair Jab reset -> rest later today.

Edit: sorry totally missed the point of your post, any hit of Dair can jab reset except for the last one

 

[Jiggly]

You can indeed fastfall it! The timing is strict though. You have to hit with less than 3 hits of the dair, which the main struggle. I'll post a vine of Fair-> FF Dair Jab reset -> rest later today.

Edit: sorry totally missed the point of your post, any hit of Dair can jab reset except for the last one

I fast fell it several times with only the first hit, never worked...

 

[Flippant]

There's a strict timing, I'll post a vine about it today

 

[Codaption]

This is awesome. Is there any way we can force people to slide off of platforms (aside from dsmash, which has high endlag) in order to use this effectively?

 

[Jiggly]

This is awesome. Is there any way we can force people to slide off of platforms (aside from dsmash, which has high endlag) in order to use this effectively?

Fair

 

[Codaption]

Fair

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay. :D

 

[Jiggly]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay. :D

Fair off the platform, to fair at low percents is a neat jab lock. Easy rest for decent percents.

 

[Codaption]

I think Dair will be more useful to practice myself, though. A jab lock that leads to kill percent and far, far beyond is definitely amazing.

 

[GeeHaus]

I'm having a difficult time sealing the lock with the drill at the same height level as my opponent, but an easy time getting it if they're on a platform above. Is this due to poor timing? Has anyone else been able to get it when at equal height?

 

[Flippant]

I have, I'll make a vine soon, I school **** to do

 

[Flippant]

Here ya go, the vine you've all been waiting for :D
https://vine.co/v/eq7Mx5Zeea6

 

[Gr4pefru1t]

Here ya go, the vine you've all been waiting for :D
https://vine.co/v/eq7Mx5Zeea6

I don't even main puff and this got me hard dude

 

[drakeirving]

dong expanded

 

[Jiggly]

so it has to be the sourspot... hmm...

 

[Flippant]

Jiggly... There is no sourspot on Dair...

 

[Jiggly]

Jiggly... There is no sourspot on Dair...

It's the area between puff's feet and body. You can't fast fal directly into them with your feet, or do that on the platform. It is the sourspot area, it also has no vacuum box. Or maybe it's just the vacuum box, but I'm pretty sure it is a sourspot.

 

[♥ Rd0Lg ♥]

Here ya go, the vine you've all been waiting for :D
https://vine.co/v/eq7Mx5Zeea6

Learning this. Right. Now. I've been looking for some sort of tech to advance my gameplay. I really hope this could be it. But awesome discovery about the dair jab reset, Flippant!

 

[Flippant]

Learning this. Right. Now. I've been looking for some sort of tech to advance my gameplay. I really hope this could be it. But awesome discovery about the dair jab reset, Flippant!

Thank you so much! Any questions just ask!

 

[Codaption]

I have to practice this the next chance I get to play smash. It's awesome just....psjimflidjconefkjvru *incoherent mutterings*

 

[♥ Rd0Lg ♥]

Thank you so much! Any questions just ask!

Wow, no kidding that this was strict. I get it like 1/20 times. But practice makes perfect so... This is a really good followup for fair OoS.

 

[♥ Rd0Lg ♥]

Although to be fair (heh) fair Oos>Rest at ~45-50% seems like a much easier and more devastating followup. But interesting property of the dair, especially since she didn't really have a good jab reset move.

 

[Flippant]

Although to be fair (heh) fair Oos>Rest at ~45-50% seems like a much easier and more devastating followup. But interesting property of the dair, especially since she didn't really have a good jab reset move.[/quotet also strict %s it works at,

Although to be fair (heh) fair Oos>Rest at ~45-50% seems like a much easier and more devastating followup. But interesting property of the dair, especially since she didn't really have a good jab reset move.

it is really interesting, flashy but has very little application at the moment. The fair set up only works at around 35-65 (depending on the char). But there are some interesting platform setups as well. On Fastfallers @ 0, if your underneath a battle field platform you can get up tilt > up tilt > up smash. Then forces them into a tech situation on the platform above

 

[Flippant]

it is really interesting, flashy but has very little application at the moment. The fair set up only works at around 35-65 (depending on the char). But there are some interesting platform setups as well. On Fastfallers @ 0, if your underneath a battle field platform you can get up tilt > up tilt > up smash. Then forces them into a tech situation on the platform above

 

[Jiggly]

it is really interesting, flashy but has very little application at the moment. The fair set up only works at around 35-65 (depending on the char). But there are some interesting platform setups as well. On Fastfallers @ 0, if your underneath a battle field platform you can get up tilt > up tilt > up smash. Then forces them into a tech situation on the platform above

It seems like the endlag on Usmash wouldn't give you time to Dair lock them

 

[MK.TWO]

Flippant you are amazing! :D
You change the metagame , jab reset was fundamental with jigglypuff in melee
an now in smash 4 , Jigg mains Get Hype !!
Edit: i find a best set up than Fair to Dair lock :
- Around 50 %Sourspot nair to Dair lock is better because the opponent have less time to tech
- Sourspspot Fair at higher % is his principal set up to lock at this %

 

[Jiggly]

Flippant you are amazing! :D
You change the metagame , jab reset was fundamental with jigglypuff in melee
an now in smash 4 , Jigg mains Get Hype !!
Edit: i find a best set up than Fair to Dair lock :
- Around 50 %Sourspot nair to Dair lock is better because the opponent have less time to tech
- Sourspspot Fair at higher % is his principal set up to lock at this %

I hope, the timing is so strict, idk if it would really be all too applicable in the competitive scene. I hope I'm wrong though!!! :D

 

[Flippant]

Flippant you are amazing! :D
You change the metagame , jab reset was fundamental with jigglypuff in melee
an now in smash 4 , Jigg mains Get Hype !!
Edit: i find a best set up than Fair to Dair lock :
- Around 50 %Sourspot nair to Dair lock is better because the opponent have less time to tech
- Sourspspot Fair at higher % is his principal set up to lock at this %

Thank you! Also try some of the platform set ups, up air at various %'s on different characters can setup for a tech situation. Also on falcon, iirc you can get 3 up tilts to true combo into each other at 0%. Which puts them into tumble. So if your underneath a platform that could be a tech situation

 

[Codaption]

Since we're on the subject of jab resets and how awesome they are with Jiggs, has anyone tried with Jab 2? It's something that randomly occurred to me yesterday as an option, though I haven't had a chance to test it yet. I doubt it works at kill %, but it's always worth trying.

In the meantime, I need to practice with Dair...

 

[Jiggly]

Since we're on the subject of jab resets and how awesome they are with Jiggs, has anyone tried with Jab 2? It's something that randomly occurred to me yesterday as an option, though I haven't had a chance to test it yet. I doubt it works at kill %, but it's always worth trying.

In the meantime, I need to practice with Dair...

jab 2 has more KB than jab 1, so I doubt it...

 

[Flippant]

I'm so glad this is catching the attention of some lurkers, we need to find the most practical set ups for this. Put Puff at the top :D

 

[Patriot Duck]

I managed to pull off up tilt > up tilt > dair > rest against Captain Falcon in training mode at 0%. It was a true combo and did 52% damage, but came just short of actually killing. I also managed up tilt x2 > dair > footstool. Can Puff get anything guaranteed from a footstool jump?