Yanoss1313
Smash Journeyman
Well, I've had my hiatus... went on longer than i expected, now that i'm back, i'm realizing my timing kinda sucks... rip PM
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Janon social thread : Lair of the Floating Back Slapping Missile Reflecting King of Evil
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At least we're functionally decent. Rip ddd and bowser : (
Hungry Headcrab
Smash Ace
Do we still have a Skype group?
we had a skype group?
Gingerham
Smash Rookie
I'm in a Ganon Skype group. I don't know if it's the one Headcrab's speaking of. It's not very active though.
Hey I quit for a while. Went and played Rivals of Aether alot though. So I guess I didn't totally get rusty? It'll be harder to find tournies but who cares if the development stopped
Like the same still exists lol I'm just sad i cant have hope for muh grab range
Like the same still exists lol I'm just sad i cant have hope for muh grab range
Gingerham
Smash Rookie
Ganon's grab, definitely my biggest regret
Guess I'll just have to learn to chaingrab without feeling bad about it. Anyone going to Forte 3 this month? I'd love to get some Ganon dittos in with someone.
Guess I'll just have to learn to chaingrab without feeling bad about it. Anyone going to Forte 3 this month? I'd love to get some Ganon dittos in with someone.
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HiroProtagonist
Smash Apprentice
Was voted "Most Likely to Chaingrab in Friendlies" by my school's smash club
Brought tears to my eyes, so proud.
Brought tears to my eyes, so proud.
Yanoss1313
Smash Journeyman
I mostly played Mortal Kombat X, gotta get that brotality!
Also warmed up to Sm4sh a bit. I think it comes down to taking it less competitively, as a game for fun, i'm enjoying it so much more.
so I've also been on a PM hiatus, but pretty much since the plug was pulled on development.
how do the rest of you feel about ganon's final spot? I hate to say that he's probably going to be limited to warioware counterpicks for me while I work on my Wolf game, but as mentioned above, he's at least not as bad as the other heavies.
there was still so much work to be done
also I should really change my avatar, it still hurts
how do the rest of you feel about ganon's final spot? I hate to say that he's probably going to be limited to warioware counterpicks for me while I work on my Wolf game, but as mentioned above, he's at least not as bad as the other heavies.
there was still so much work to be done
also I should really change my avatar, it still hurts
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it feels like he currently sits around mid tier, maybe highish in mid.
but he really doesn't have anywhere to go but down, with the way the meta is. there are too many characters that are capable of hamming up his poor points and exploiting them and he doesn't have super solid way to actually force commitments and threaten space. i really really just wanted 6 frame nair hitboxes again : / it wouldn't have been the panacea, but it would have done wonders with allowing him to threaten space with different options, even without the dumb auto cancel stuff.
but he really doesn't have anywhere to go but down, with the way the meta is. there are too many characters that are capable of hamming up his poor points and exploiting them and he doesn't have super solid way to actually force commitments and threaten space. i really really just wanted 6 frame nair hitboxes again : / it wouldn't have been the panacea, but it would have done wonders with allowing him to threaten space with different options, even without the dumb auto cancel stuff.
HiroProtagonist
Smash Apprentice
I think Ganon's one of the worst characters in the game with several atrocious matchups and very few winning ones, but I'm a huge pessimist so whatever. I don't think he's really viable as a solo main, but he's a pretty potent counterpick. A lot of people are talking about doing characters before stages which would make him pretty much useless. I really wish he had his old nair
Nah it's not that bad. We've got enough things going for us to prevent us from being the worst of the cast. While we don't have many winning/decent matchups, it's not a completely insignificant amount either. Compare to say Bowser who very likely has no winning matchups, we're a world better than that.I think Ganon's one of the worst characters in the game with several atrocious matchups and very few winning ones, but I'm a huge pessimist so whatever. I don't think he's really viable as a solo main, but he's a pretty potent counterpick. A lot of people are talking about doing characters before stages which would make him pretty much useless. I really wish he had his old nair
Unfortunately our strengths don't overcome our weaknesses and our winning matchups are mostly against bad characters so we kinda just end up as "King of the Trash", not the absolute bottom but also not good enough to be viable.
The King of Evil, reduced to this...
Gingerham
Smash Rookie
Ayy so Forte was a ton of fun. My pool didn't go super well though lol.
Yanoss1313
Smash Journeyman
Thought this up for fun
Ganon Move Tier List
S+
Dthrow
S
Uair
Fair
Bair
Jab
Dead Man's Drift
A
Flame Choke
Dair
Ftilt
Dtilt
Dash attack
Upsmash
Wizard's Foot
B
Nair
Dsmash
Fthrow
Uthrow
C
Dark Dive
Utilt
Fsmash
Dead Man's Volley
Bthrow
F-
Grab
Ganon Move Tier List
S+
Dthrow
S
Uair
Fair
Bair
Jab
Dead Man's Drift
A
Flame Choke
Dair
Ftilt
Dtilt
Dash attack
Upsmash
Wizard's Foot
B
Nair
Dsmash
Fthrow
Uthrow
C
Dark Dive
Utilt
Fsmash
Dead Man's Volley
Bthrow
F-
Grab
fairly solid, but I think Nair, Fsmash and Utilt need to be a stage lower each.
Nair's good, it's a shame it lost its uses in neutral but it's still a great combo tool, it's also our fastest aerial so it can sometimes be used to break out of combos. And it's still positive on shield.
C tier is just stuff that's situationally useful, I don't really see the point of splitting into more tiers at that point (the F- tier is just a joke)
Though I'd say fsmash and utilt are more useful than cape and bthrow
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Yanoss1313
Smash Journeyman
No love for DACUS?
it's situational for sure, i'd put it just above c though, (very bottom of b)
It's not a move on it's own.
Yanoss1313
Smash Journeyman
True.
But even though it's a combination of two other moves, I've always felt it's a unique enough tool to be considered an attack on it's own.
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Just stop pressing b and you'll eventually become bazpert and then you can bust out the megastone and really show him what's what.
But I need to press B to use my special moves.
Time it so you don't press b during evolution. The rest of the time should be fine.
But Mudkip is so cute :C
Sacrifices must be made, man.
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So. I'm from melee land, played project M for the first time at a state tournament and placed 3rd with ganon. I'm impressed with him. I don't like him as much as melee ganon but he is tons of fun.
Whats the latest meta you guys are looking i to? Or mechanic? Or should I just pretend I'm in melee? Things seem a bit stagnant here but i'm joining up with you guys ^^
Whats the latest meta you guys are looking i to? Or mechanic? Or should I just pretend I'm in melee? Things seem a bit stagnant here but i'm joining up with you guys ^^
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If you have melee experience, you can start with that.
Major differences are sideb and float allowing you to mixup your aerials, and your ftilt is better, giving you a slightly better ground game to use in conjunction with our great aerials.
If you have specific questiins about stuff, we'll totally help you out, I just think a lot of us are busy with other stuff right now.
Major differences are sideb and float allowing you to mixup your aerials, and your ftilt is better, giving you a slightly better ground game to use in conjunction with our great aerials.
If you have specific questiins about stuff, we'll totally help you out, I just think a lot of us are busy with other stuff right now.
Gingerham
Smash Rookie
Still don't get why they gave Ganon that nerf without anything to compensate
Lost to some Kirby at a tourney. Gotta work on that mu. So hard to hit dangit >: (
Lost to some Kirby at a tourney. Gotta work on that mu. So hard to hit dangit >: (
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I think they figured "oh, it's still positive on shield. That's all he needs." Rather than "oh, look at falcon's hitboxes on literally the exact same move. Let's just push the ac window back to after his second kick finishes and adjust our desired lcancel animation to match what we would want his frame data to be on shield."
Sadly, they were probably going to do the latter (no sources, just instinct because it makes sense) but got *********** before they could : /
Sadly, they were probably going to do the latter (no sources, just instinct because it makes sense) but got *********** before they could : /
Gingerham
Smash Rookie
I mean nair is still a really good move regardless, I think it's mainly a matter of just learning to get better at landing both moves. I ended up getting the hang of it after a while. Though yeah I still do get a bit screwed over by it sometimes lol. Also I thought the same thing when 3.6 Beta came out and I figured they would do that for 3.6 full release but nope.
It's pretty bad. The best use is probably just to use it after a low-mid percent dthrow and hope both hits connect for the extra damage. Otherwise you're better off using uair or bair for taking up space.
I mean, falcon's Nair has ridiculously meaty hitboxes, attached to much faster (and better, as well) character.
I mean, falcon's Nair has ridiculously meaty hitboxes, attached to much faster (and better, as well) character.
Even compared to our old hitboxes, his current hitboxes are much longer duration (iirc. On mobile so it's a pita to double check stuff...).
Old Nair was, what, two 6 frame hitboxes, with a sweet spot for the first few frames and then reduced damage and kb for the rest? Falcon's is something like a 6 then a 10?
Waiting on baz's nerd ass to correct me, here.
Old Nair was, what, two 6 frame hitboxes, with a sweet spot for the first few frames and then reduced damage and kb for the rest? Falcon's is something like a 6 then a 10?
Waiting on baz's nerd ass to correct me, here.
You actually got it right for once
congratulation u did it
Edit: To be more specific though, old nair was 3 frames strong hit 3 frames weak hit for both kicks.
That's the part that really kills me, they didn't just remove the weak hits, they also shaved off a frame on the strong hit too. Bcuz Maylay.
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FAK YEAR!
I get lucky every now and again
I get lucky every now and again