"IT'S UP TIEM!" The Dayton, OH social, strategical, and sometimes empty thread

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

i only have a working thumb and pointer finger atm, when i move the other three its horrible pain. at least it was today and yesterday, hoping im better tomorrow

 

[Paradigm]

Odds are really poor for me attending class today, but I should be there Wednesday.

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

i think i should be able to play today, i may have to take frequent breaks cuz it still hurts like hell but it doesnt look very bad at all the swelling has went down somewhat

 

[Adamated]

I'll b there like a normal monday

 

[Fizzle_Boy]

I'll be there in an hour or so I guess.

 

[Flawless Fan]

Put some ice on it, scrib?
Also, I won't be there today since my granny's going back to Florida today, but I may be there wednesday if I'm up for downtown driving. I got $100 grad money so I'll have plenty of gas

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

my sched for summer will be no different than it is now

fall it will be

Tuesday, Thursday 07:00PM - 09:15PM,
Tuesday, Thursday 10:00AM - 11:40AM,
Tuesday 01:00PM - 04:35PM

tuesday i have a little time but
thursdays im done at noon

ill play any time that isnt in class
and of course other days i can get off work

im going down there now

i tried ice and later epsom salt. it doesnt work, im just gonna have to wait it out

 

[Flawless Fan]

Ice only helps stop swelling. If you've got a heating pad you could probably use that to stop it from hurting a bit.

And have fun barlwing, you guys. I'll try to make it Wednesday with cookies but no guarantees.

 

[fromundaman]

Hey Scrubz, any idea when you'll be able to afford a car again?

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

XD give me a couple more pay checks. im gonna say ill have one by mid july - early august. i will be driving before MIB
ill start traveling again when i get it though

 

[fromundaman]

Awesome.

The reason I was asking is because I still really want to hang out a weekend sometime.



Also, best Video game commercial ever made:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT6o0Pq2dHo&feature=related

 

[smash64]

Awesome.

The reason I was asking is because I still really want to hang out a weekend sometime.



Also, best Video game commercial ever made:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT6o0Pq2dHo&feature=related

l m a o

 

[Infern Angelis]

...that...was...AWESOME!!!

 

[Fizzle_Boy]

Ok guys, it looks like I'm probably gonna be doing something else tomorrow. I'm free the rest of the week (cept Thursday afternoon) if anyone still wants to get some smash in with me this week.

 

[Adamated]

You can't just pick and choose this kind of stuff mang.....jeeze... people now-a-days

 

[Paradigm]

Unlike Fizzle I will be able to attend today, but it will only be until about 1:00PM.

I'm not sure if I can smash next week or not. If you guys will be there I'll definately make an effort. I want to be in prime condition for the upcoming tournaments.

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

ill prolly be there next monday/wednesday, i cant think of anything else to do anyway.
im about to head down there now, my hand still hurts but im gonna just play through the pain again.

 

[Paradigm]

I should be able to be there Monday and Wednesday next week. I'm not sure exactly when I can get there, but I expect about 11:00AM.

Since my copy of Brawl is broken, I can't test this out myself. I looked on the boards for Marth damage data but I couldn't find any, only frame data. Could someone test and find out the damage done by the fair and all the throws, both fresh and stale?

It just occurred to me that a grab release does zero damage, and thus a grab release > fair does not do any more damage then a fair. I expect the fair does more damage then any throw, but I'm not sure if its enough to justify unfreshening the fair. When it's already stale it's not a problem, but a fresh fair both KOs well and works against the 'nado. May not be worth losing the freshness for just like ~3 damage.

 

[wakka444]

i had similar thoughts with bowser and his grab releases bc if i ddidnt follow up correctly my damage was lower than just throwing(Depending on stale vs fresh)

for marth id imagine you want to grab release into a fair not only for damage but it puts them into a disadvantaged situation that you capitalize on for more damage(idk if his actual throw do the same tho>.>)

i also think you should misup between doing the pummels also bc each pummel and throw go into the stale rotation and freshman moves you need

basic rule:
low damage grab release follow up
high damage pummel and throw more often

HIIIIII

 

[Fizzle_Boy]

Ugggh more marth talk....marth might be my new pikachu

Anyway, I am one gift card richer, but for the sake of serious business practice, I won't be skipping any more of these smashfests until theChampionships. Since nobody is interested in meeting later this week, it looks I'll see you guys Monday. Oh yeah, Dayton+MWC=Crews??? I sure hope so = )

TO DO LIST
1) Practice mk ditto.
2) Put my new secondary up against some more marth.
3) De-rust my Lucario.
4) Play Diddy well enough to allow the rest of Dayton to practice the matchup.
5) Convince Digm to reconsider our melee MM (pweeease).
6) Host a tournament (this is still looking extremely possible).
7)Stop making lists this long.
8) Destroy everyone in time for MIB.

 

[Fhd]

i wanna come this monday, i have nothing better to do and ppl say im raelly good, and i wanna face good ppl of my city and state, ill try

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

trust me FHD we'll test your skills

para do the release. DO IT *edit no do dolphin slash (at kill percents) instead you never use it and it kills me at 100 near an edge*
none of marths throws do much damage. plus if you f-throw me and try to f-air i can do the same back to you first. or if i miss you cant punish me. so if you want to lose out on 9%-ish go ahead. plus you hit me with like 43285949832984 fairs each game anyway so its not EVER gonna be fresh

lol @ library noobs
i was actually playing really well today. i hope i can keep it up so i can keep everyone else working.
Theres a decent chance there wont be many others monday so its mostly gonna be us smashboard peeps only so there wont be noobs we have to let play

 

[Fizzle_Boy]

i wanna come this monday, i have nothing better to do and ppl say im raelly good, and i wanna face good ppl of my city and state, ill try

Cool and if you play ICs like your icon implies, it'd benefit us quite a bit, Scribbz still won't go ICs against my Lucario. But if you're as far below us (well like 4-5 of us) as precedent has taught me to assume you are, we are playing ICs vs D3 because I really want to win one of those before my eventual death.

edit: What he said. Oh ya, I stalled for 20 seconds with the infinite cape in the finals

trust me FHD we'll test your skills

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

guess what fizz I learned to desynch WHATS GOOD

so i'll play now

also FHD where are you from?

 

[fromundaman]

Para, you could always use grab pummels to refresh Fair. oesn't Marth have a fairly fast pummel?

Ugggh more marth talk....marth might be my new pikachu

Anyway, I am one gift card richer, but for the sake of serious business practice, I won't be skipping any more of these smashfests until theChampionships. Since nobody is interested in meeting later this week, it looks I'll see you guys Monday. Oh yeah, Dayton+MWC=Crews??? I sure hope so = )

TO DO LIST
1) Practice mk ditto.
2) Put my new secondary up against some more marth.
3) De-rust my Lucario.
4) Play Diddy well enough to allow the rest of Dayton to practice the matchup.
5) Convince Digm to reconsider our melee MM (pweeease).
6) Host a tournament (this is still looking extremely possible).
7)Stop making lists this long.
8) Destroy everyone in time for MIB.

Hell yes for Crews. You guys better show up, if you look at the MWC thread, I've already kinda-sorta challenged everyone more or less to crews (By which, it's a challenge with the conditions that my crew-mates, IE you guys, agree and/or have enough show up for it.).

Also, Fizz, Diddy vs Mario friendlies (or MM if I still have money left after all the other ones I need to lose play.)? I've gotten a LOT more practice for this one in, and I'd love to see how much your Diddy's improved from last time we did this.

Finally, when/if you guys host a tourny, I'll def. try to make it.

See you guys at MWC!

 

[Fizzle_Boy]

But my Diddy didn't improve much. I just learn the instant catch-throw from the TL boards and decided to increase the amount of bait in my bait-and-punishing. The tier list is leaning heavily in my favor though, so we may have to give this a try.

 

[fromundaman]

You shouldn't rely too heavily on the tier list. Last time you did that, you barely got a win when you expected ****.

Also, my Mario has faced most of Springfield's Diddies with moderate success, so be wary.

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

david my low-tier game fell off 0.0

i got good with a bunch of mid tiers

maybe they'll let one-handed snake count....

 

[fromundaman]

ROFL one handed Snake...

my random game fell off... But my low tiers are still up to par (kinda... Mario's really the only one I need though. I mean, I might pull out Boozer sometimes, but I don't need him. Oh, and Ganon is too fun in low tiers too! Especially vs Ike! (Silly Ike players saying Ike is MK of low tiers. Ganon shows them. *FTILT*).

My space animals all suck hard though...

 

[Infern Angelis]

Ike Rules
A GOD KAI has Spoken!!!
GOD KAIS!!!!!!

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

mine dont.... my suck character isadly isnt boozer anymore. im not totally sure...maybe yoshi? idk really. I thought D tier was mid-low, so they arent typically allowed in low tiers. I dont consider ike low tier anyway.

i just remembered! my low (a$$) tier is falcon!

*edit got ninja'd

 

[Fhd]

im from centerville and fizz im not that bad, i can cg for aa long time with ics offline

 

[Fizzle_Boy]

YES finally someone who can actually do the cg (unless Scribbs got better at it in my absence Wed).....him I may have to rethink going D3 against you

 

[Paradigm]

lol no one answered my marf question, I'll find a way to test it on my own. The situation is more complicated then "always grab release -> fair" or "always throw." I need to know the specifics to make a choice. Marf vs MK goes differently while I have a completely fresh fair. I realize vs MK I don't have anything guaranteed out of a throw... I'd just fthrow and approach again, or maaaybe uthrow and try to juggle.

Fro, multiple pummels only count as one refresh; it doesn't matter how many pummels you do. I learned this from waaay back when I mained Samus, who both has a really strong need to refresh her dtilt and has a really fast pummel. Same with Marth's DB - it's a four-hit combo, but it only counts as one hit for the refresh. Even *if* pummels helped, I'd pummel the same amount irrelevant of whether I'd throw or grab release > fair, so it doesn't really change things. But yeah, keep that in mind - pummels not a fast way to refresh.

Fizzle, here's why no Melee MM: You generally annoy me greatly whenever I'm not play at my very best, and I'm not able to play my best at Melee for the time being. If I have ANY need for a john, you kind of go fishing for it to get me to say such. Consider: You can watch me play a number of matches against Scribble's MK, all of which are close - some of which I even win. Then later in the day when I'm kinda smashed out and just waiting for my ride home, unable to focus or play well and just smashing because I have nothing else to do, Scribble crushes me with his MK in _one_ match and you start going on and on for a good minute or so about how I need to change characters for this matchup. This is doubly annoying because you know both that I don't enjoy Brawl with anyone else and that I don't actually do *that* badly in this match up. Consider: You move around in my peripheral vision, well aware of the fact that it bothers me. In fact at times you even completely block my vision, throwing your hands in my face. Then again you go on in surprise when I lose the match about how I should change mains or some such nonesense as though you're oblivious to the fact you completely kept me from being able to *see*.

I don't think you do it on purpose, so I'm not angry with you. It's just to frustrating to deal with. And it's not just me; I've seen you do the same to Scribble. When *he's* not smashing well and you beat him twice in a row, you start doing the same thing. Scribble can just shrug it off, but I can't. It really, reall annoys me. The smash community's stance on "no johns" is if you want to john, just don't play. So I'm not going to play you at anything other then friendlies if I'm not at my best. And I'm waaaaay out of practice with Melee, so no Melee MM's.

Fhd: eager to play ya, hope to see you Monday. There's no easy way to rank how good someone else, we'll just have to find out the old fashioned way on Monday d:

 

[Fizzle_Boy]

Marth stuff
Fizzle is a terrible person
No melee MM

^summary^
You may have exaggerated my shenanigans a little bit, but I can tell when someone wants to murder me and I'm kinda leaning that way on this occasion. And for the record, I still think you need a meta knight counter whose not marf.....plz don't murder me

 

[Paradigm]

*10 murders*

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

no there is only certain characters that only get one refresh, a majority of the cast does get them per pummel. if you have a really fast pummel then you dont but marths isnt that fast. samus's is.
plus you have GR-> DB which is 4 counts to refreshing a f-air. plus i dont really feel that fresh f-air changes much anyway

 

[fromundaman]

Fro, multiple pummels only count as one refresh; it doesn't matter how many pummels you do. I learned this from waaay back when I mained Samus, who both has a really strong need to refresh her dtilt and has a really fast pummel. Same with Marth's DB - it's a four-hit combo, but it only counts as one hit for the refresh. Even *if* pummels helped, I'd pummel the same amount irrelevant of whether I'd throw or grab release > fair, so it doesn't really change things. But yeah, keep that in mind - pummels not a fast way to refresh.

It depends on the character. Some characters, like Lucario and Samus don't get refresh bonuses per pummel because their pummels are considered too fast. Of course, I find that kind of weird since Lucas and Kirby both get refresh bonuses, and they also have fast pummels (If I grab you at about 100%, I will typically do nothing but pummel since it completely refreshes my Bair for a kill.).

TL:DR
Some characters got screwed, but most get refresh bonuses.


EDIT: Ethan, D tier is up to the TO, and so far it seems most TOs like PT and Ike too much to keep them out of low tier tournies.

Ike Rules
A GOD KAI has Spoken!!!
GOD KAIS!!!!!!

*Ganon Ftilt*

 

[Paradigm]

no there is only certain characters that only get one refresh, a majority of the cast does get them per pummel. if you have a really fast pummel then you dont but marths isnt that fast. samus's is.

Ah, okay, good to know. Another reason to move away from Sammy in Brawl -.- When I want to refresh I'll put more focus on grabbing, then. That'll actually change the way I play a lot of matchups. At higher damages when I could use a fresh easy KO move, I can just get like two or three grabs and I've refreshed my KO move - nice :D. Much preferable to be able to KO with whatever I find easiest to land on a given opponent then struggling to land another (fresh) KO move.

plus you have GR-> DB which is 4 counts to refreshing a f-air.

I can see how I made a mistake about the pummels due to being an ex-Sammy-main, but this one I'm pretty sure about: the full four-hit DB only counts as one for stale/refresh. Otherwise three full DB combos would fully refresh everything else - and from what I've seen it clearly doesn't. DS out of shield, DB DB DB, and the DS still isn't fully fresh. Also, the up-DB4 would but much harder to KO with since you have to miss DB1-3 for it to be fully fresh.

plus i dont really feel that fresh f-air changes much anyway

I think you underestimate how frustrating the 'nado is for me in Marth vs MK. Much of Marth vs anyone is SHing, but I can't do that against MK or I get 'nado'd. It is a LOT easier to fresh-fair through a nado then mid-air DS through one. Having a fresh fair lets me stay in the air, and it rhymes too. The option of SHing backwards to reset spacing is well worth losing a few points of damage while the fair is fresh. Once the fair isn't fresh may I'll go back to GR -> fair. Iuno, I'll need to see exactly how much this strat would cost me. I also need to experiment with things other then fthrow-fair, which is the only throw strat I'm familiar with against MK. I wanna play around with upthrows :D



Anyone know if throwing stales or freshens other moves? Like, does Falco or DDD's chaingrabs freshen up their other stuff it they don't pummel?

 

[fromundaman]

Can't you also Dthrow>Fsmash MK at low percents too?