it's gonna be he** for some people when we get online

[BigRick]

^^well a solution could be to do different rooms:

- Party
- Beginnerz
- Advanced
- Virtual Sechs

Join the room that will suit to what kind of player you are and what kind of experience that you would like to have (hehe 4th room for me)

 

[Creo]

I personally would not mind a 'Rank System' at all. It seems reasonable and if n00bs don't like it, live with it.
That being said, the group idea is a good idea though, some hot shot n00b will think they are good and get spanked in a group they don't belong in. Also, a little more accurate group list would be nice(obliviously you were using sarcasm...I know people).
Due to that, Ranking system would be best to see what you are up against.

 

[ChRed2AKrisp]

^^well a solution could be to do different rooms:

- Party
- Beginnerz
- Advanced
- Virtual Sechs

Join the room that will suit to what kind of player you are and what kind of experience that you would like to have (hehe 4th room for me)

the problem with advanced is-

the n00bs don't know they're n00bs.

as mentioned, they think they dominate. and if all of thm get on line together, they'll be the majority in advanced. *cries*

oh well.

 

[Creo]

Yes but when the n00bs are all on advanced and face us, I am sure we can easily get at least 100 down in a day to their respective groups. Then, the n00b will train, knowing he sucks and fails at the game. About a week later, the n00bs return. We spank them again. They look up how too wavedash and all of that. They do it once or twice, come back and get spanked again because they don't know how to use them properly. After this process, though grueling, we will get the n00bs off for about five or so months while they train with advanced techniques. After that, they will be at least an advanced player and then they may get respect if they progressed. We will continue the process until they would go to their respective group.

 

[Impmacaque]

If Ninty chooses to have rankings (is this confirmed?) You can bet games will be matched according to win:loss records and such.

Otherwise, most smashers looking for competition practice are going to be using friend codes exclusively... Who wants to join random matches and hope for a challenge? Anyone decent will have the FC of all of smashboards and hundreds of able intermediate/advanced players willing to play if they so desire.

 

[ChRed2AKrisp]

problem is, in most nintendo wifi games, there's a limited amount of friend codes you can have. i think MKDS and MPH were sixty. and i think on the wii you'll also need eachother's wii codes. and that max is 100. and not all of those are SWF friends necessarily.

 

[Impmacaque]

problem is, in most nintendo wifi games, there's a limited amount of friend codes you can have. i think MKDS and MPH were sixty. and i think on the wii you'll also need eachother's wii codes. and that max is 100. and not all of those are SWF friends necessarily.

I dunno, 100 friend codes would be more than enough high level smashers for me.. Most people can play multiple characters anyways, I don't think my ability to practice/train online would be hampered by a lack of FC slots. Of course, about 10-20 would go to friends/family and such...

'Course, that's assuming it IS indeed 100 codes for smash... Anything below 60 would be limiting, I think.

 

[Andromeda]

I'm quite sure that we will have a ranking system in Brawl that allow the elite to face the elite and the newbies to face the newbies. (It was one in Mario Strikers Charged too, but it was bad, cause it more ranked you after how much you'd played and not after your skill) But Smash is one of the games where, to use my own words, you only win if you deserve it. And to deserve victory you need to practice, to be confident and acctually know that you can't always win. I'm quite sure that the newbie will win sometime against the pro. But as the pro in most cases are the one that deserve to win the most, the pro will propably win in nine of ten cases. I'm quite confident in this online-possibility, cause it will allow casual smashers to grow in a way that they not were possible in Melee.

 

[RDK]

You guys don't want a ranking system, but without it random matches will hardly ever get you against a good smasher.

If online Brawl DOESN'T have some semblance of a ranking system, and it turns out to be like that random match **** on MKDS and the like, it will be a BIG problem for Nintendo, becasue I will personally go over there and knock the game developers through an effing wall.

Brawl - Ranking System = Unhappy Mobs of Fans

Brawl + Ranking System =

 

[CStrife187]

I don't remember anyone not wanting a ranking system, I think everyone wants one, it's just that sakuraid said that there wouldn't be one. And nobody pull that "he's japanese and we speak english" bullsh*t because he was actually pretty explicit on this point.

 

[experiment111]

I'm pretty sure advanced players will avoid matches with items in like the plague. plus the advanced players are going to be starting afresh with some of the characters effectively labelling them noobs for the first few months. Plus fighting someone of higher skill can actually help ure own game. the real danger of online smash is when u start to win a match and everyone aborts

 

[RDK]

That's exactly why I hope to God they have some sort of ranking system, so you don't get 5 scrubs in a row who kill their connection and run for a n00b room every time you wipe the floor with them on their first stock.

Have you ever played SSB64 on Kaillera? I get one of those people every other match! Brawl needs a ranking system so you know you're going to play against someone who is worth the wait, and who actually respects you enough that he's not going to head for the hills the first time he loses a life.

 

[The Hypnotist]

It won't happen though, it would be nice to discourage players from disconnecting. Why not something like, no online play for 15 mins after every disconnect? That would be greta.

 

[180OP]

It won't happen though, it would be nice to discourage players from disconnecting. Why not something like, no online play for 15 mins after every disconnect? That would be greta.

Wouldn't be great for Nintendo. They'd get a lot of negative feedback for that.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Because...? I'm confused, what am I over looking. A newb gets paired with a great player, the newb wussies out because he's getting owned. The great player's match gets cut off and he's confused, so as a puncishement he can't play for 15 mins. What am I missing?

 

[RDK]

Wouldn't be great for Nintendo. They'd get a lot of negative feedback for that.

Now that I think about it, 180OP is right--the 15 minute thing wouldn't be such a good idea.

What if you sometimes disconnected due to internet problems, dial-up, etc? That would suck, having to wait 15 whole minutes before being able to connect again. Or what if you accidentally screwed one of the game options up, like you accidentally set the stock number to 99 instead of 5?

Much better to solve n00b problems other ways (punching n00b in the face via the internet wire).

 

[psicicle]

There has got to be some sort of anti-DC mechanism though. Maybe you get the penalty only if you are losing by a stock or something? Not the best idea, I can't think of anything else though.

 

[RDK]

There has got to be some sort of anti-DC mechanism though. Maybe you get the penalty only if you are losing by a stock or something? Not the best idea, I can't think of anything else though.

Maybe there should be some sort of demerit system or something, so you get penalized if you disconnect so many times in a certain time period, or if you disconnect too quickly (just a few minutes into the match).

Any other ideas?

 

[The Hypnotist]

How about if you DC after 30-90 seconds? That's long enough to relize your getting owned.

 

[Eaode]

Well, if there is a ranking system, you can just automatically clasify a DC as a loss. and give the other player a win. so effectively, there's no point to DC'ing, unless you're ******** and want to save time. you miht as well suicide the whole mathc, that'd be faster and have the same effect on your rank lol.


but without a ranking system.... I have no idea.

 

[Creo]

If htey have a ranking system, then if someone DC's, it should give you the win and obliviously they still have nothing due to the fact of DC. Or you can have the option to leave a match and that would give the other person a win and n00b a loss.

 

[Creo]

(sorry if I posted this twice)
There should be a leave option giving a win to the other person and a loss to the leaver. Or, if they disconnect, the other person would get a win.

 

[red stone]

halo2 is different btw people. there is a good ranking system in place for that game. you will never see a lvl 1 halo player against a lvl 49. and there's really no technique that looks cheap in that game if you're good then that means you're good at aiming, moving around, throwing grenades, and knowing your weapons. (couple of techniques like bxring and plasma sword switching) but overall, it's straightforward stuff.

 

[mario-man]

How about if you DC after 30-90 seconds? That's long enough to relize your getting owned.

LoL
If you're REALLY getting owned, you may alreday be dead by that point. lol

 

[Drascin]

(sorry if I posted this twice)
There should be a leave option giving a win to the other person and a loss to the leaver. Or, if they disconnect, the other person would get a win.

Yeah, I agree. That way, people like me won't have to play the whole match against real pros (who are so far beyond my level I'd need a telescope to see them), which is not really that fun, and you wouldn't waste your time with the n00bs. Something as simple as being able to press start and have an option to "concede" would alleviate a lot of ranking points problems.

 

[The Hypnotist]

People could complain that every time their internet messes up they get a loss. But again, if complainers aren't a factor then just ban them for 15 mins.

 

[180OP]

Bottom line is, Nintendo doesn't think for the pros nor does it think only for the noobs. Nintendo thinks for everyone.

They will leave a very open online system. If you are playing with a noob and don't like it then you can just quit or vice versa. Someone mentioned that Sakurai said there will be no online ranking system provided by Nintendo.

Most pros would connect to each other from this site via Wii #s. etc etc.

 

[Mr.GAW]

The whole ban them for 15 minutes idea is pretty ******** IMO.

If there is a ranking, then giving them a loss would me much more suitable, and if there isn't rankings, then the people who DC really have no reason for doing it, unless they really aren't enjoying themselves against someone who can pwn them, in which case I see nothing wrong with them DCing.

If I was the person pwning the noob so bad that they weren't having fun, I probably wouldn't be having fun either, since it wouldn't be competition.

See what I'm getting at? If there isn't rankings, no punishment for DCing is neccesary.

 

[The Hypnotist]

I understand what your saying but everyone doesn't think like you, besides quitting is poor sportsmanship. There won't be a ranking system but I'm sure nintendo won't encourage DCing, besides PWNing newbs is fun! HAHAHAHA.

 

[pikachun00b7]

That's all said and good.I know that Brawl won't replace actual human to human interface with the game,it's just an option.Buuuuut....


I call first on teams with Dylan

=P

I play winner!
If there is random matches/rooms don't use them. Fc=pwnage!!111onetwothreebeta!!!

 

[RDK]

besides PWNing newbs is fun!

...to a point. After you face so many n00bs in a row on SSB64/Kaillera, it becomes wearying. I just hope Brawl will have SOME sort of system to iron things out, and not turn into something that like the chaos that is Kaillera Client.

 

[Wrath`]

there are many people out there that have the idea in their heads that they are great or at least decent at melee without knowledge of the higher metagame. unfortunately for them, we will have to crush their dreams.

Quote from the maker of this thread,



I I was once this exact statment above, I thought i was the bomb



but then i go tmy azz kick majorly by a shining fool of a fox,now of days i can hold up with link ,so i know now i am at least decent.

I GET SECONDS DIDBS ON FIGHTING DLYAN TNGA

 

[The Hypnotist]

...to a point. After you face so many n00bs in a row on SSB64/Kaillera, it becomes wearying. I just hope Brawl will have SOME sort of system to iron things out, and not turn into something that like the chaos that is Kaillera Client.

Don't get your hopes up, that practically already said there will be no ranking system. Don't worry there will be FCs. And I'll have 100 or so of you guys on my list so we can have some fun. However I do want some match made matches, sometimes I want to play someone I'm not familar with, and sometimes I wanna beat on a punching bag.

 

[Phaazoid]

personally, i think that there will be an online mode just like many ds online modes, a friend code mode, and a random battle mode. and people will just have to deal.

 

[BentoBox]

All of this fuzz based on the assumption that we won't be able to choose who we want to play agaisnt? If they don't come up with a decent web interface, I'll be utterly deceived. On Kaillera you can at least see who is in X channel and get one/many to play with you, make some sort of friendly bonds and all that jazz. Thus creating a sense of community~ I've hopped quite a few times on kaill only to get crushed by pros but that didn't really stop me from playing. If there's a way to communicate with other players on SSBB, you can be sure I'll direct most of the people claiming I hack to these forums and I expect y'all to do the same. The more ppl know about said adv.techs the sooner they'll start practicing, the better they'll get and the more fun we'll have long term wise. There doesn't need to be a distinct seperation between the noobs and the pros if we actually do something about it.

Gunbound interface plx.

 

[Mr.GAW]

The Hypnotist:

Just because said Sakurai said something like " I don't think we're gonna have leaderboards or rankings". Doesn't mean they won't. Videogame producers change their minds all the time. Strikers Charged has ranking, and I'm sure Sakurai will end up seeing the benifits.

All I'm saying is keep an open mind, because there is certainly a chance of there being rankings.

 

[Y34HDUD3!!!]

Gunbound interface plx.

Yeah, it would be a good way to do it. Maybe one of the best.
And I thought I was the only one who played it.

 

[Creo]

Umm I hope you know that your frined codes are limited so you can't have infinite.
Whoever is willing to face me when it comes out and I have wi-fi, I'll be glad.

 

[Wrath`]

Umm I hope you know that your frined codes are limited so you can't have infinite.
Whoever is willing to face me when it comes out and I have wi-fi, I'll be glad.

I am definatly ready to face you

 

[RDK]

Umm I hope you know that your frined codes are limited so you can't have infinite.

That's where the magic of the good ol' Word document comes in.

Just copy everyone's friend codes in and label the person's name with the codes. Then you can enter/delete the codes from your Wii as you please.