Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[LasermasterA]

To be fair, I freak out at a lot of things. I have a naturally paranoid personality.

Yea to better say, I did freak out. It is just that it didn't go into overdrive. I take stress, freak out over small stuff as well so I am in the same boat regarding that atleast.

Whatever we are still rooting for Isaac for Smash 4! Who cares about random pics as long he is not deconfirmed.

Man, this is so nerve wreaking. Like some of you have said, it's like a Dark Dawn is upon us the closer we get to the Japanese release of the 3DS version. If anything, Sakurai is making Isaac's reveal symbolic to the GoldenSun series and when we think Isaac won't make it in, the GoldenSun rises on our hero as the final newcomer to Stand His Ground. I hope that is the case.

Haha it would be really really nice if that is the case. Sakurai trolling us while keeping the symbolic meaning for Golden Sun. Just announce Isaac as a newcomer challenger already!!!

 

[Skyblade12]

I'm playing through Dark Dawn again. It's not as good as the originals, yet it is still so good. So much fun.

I'm at the first point of evil game design no return. I've gotten two of the Sun Sagas, 7 Djinn, the Murk Rod, Themis's Axe, and Haures. That's everything, right?

 

[LasermasterA]

I'm playing through Dark Dawn again. It's not as good as the originals, yet it is still so good. So much fun.

I'm at the first point of evil game design no return. I've gotten two of the Sun Sagas, 7 Djinn, the Murk Rod, Themis's Axe, and Haures. That's everything, right?

Hmm to be honest I did play Dark Dawn twice, back to back in fact. Now now there is a reason. I got a game breaking bug near the end, got stuck between an NPC and a barrel, couldn't get unstuck tried everything. I also accidentally saved So had to restart.

About your question, hmm... check this page out. Got a list of all missable djinn at each "evil game design points".

www.goldensunrealm.com/gsdd/djinn.php

There is a world map Djinn which is missable. But how the hell do you have Haures? That guy is at the Belinsk point of no return. You should have Zagan, just check again !

Don't know about Sun Saga, I just look at every book shelf. I have an obsession to look at every book shelf and in the earlier two games mind read every single person and use reveal everywhere to get hidden items.

 

[Skyblade12]

Hmm to be honest I did play Dark Dawn twice, back to back in fact. Now now there is a reason. I got a game breaking bug near the end, got stuck between an NPC and a barrel, couldn't get unstuck tried everything. I also accidentally saved So had to restart.

About your question, hmm... check this page out. Got a list of all missable djinn at each "evil game design points".

www.goldensunrealm.com/gsdd/djinn.php

There is a world map Djinn which is missable. But how the hell do you have Haures? That guy is at the Belinsk point of no return. You should have Zagan, just check again !

Don't know about Sun Saga, I just look at every book shelf. I have an obsession to look at every book shelf and in the earlier two games mind read every single person and use reveal everywhere to get hidden items.

Meant Zagan. Always get those two confused.

I look at every book shelf too. I just always freak out that I'll miss something I can't get back. Stupid evil game design.

 

[Storm Eagle]

I just want to remind everybody to got get your hopes up too much. Isaac was a cointoss from the very beginning and we all knew that! If he gets in as a character, rejoice hard! But if he isn't, don't get too disappointed. I learned that myself from Brawl. I had like 10 wanted character that we all considered "likely" and "shoe-ins", but only got Wolf in the end...

 

[ThatShadowLink]

Yeah, I've set my expectations low now. Nearly every single character that I've really wanted playable this time around is an AT, so I don't really expect anyone to get in at this point.

 

[ShinyRegice]

When I saw the Assist Trophy today on pic of the day I first thought that it was an Assist Trophy inspired of a summon from Golden Sun due to the size, but then I quickly realized that its design didn't match the Golden Sun universe very well, so I did researches about him and without surprise it wasn't a Golden Sun summon. For half of a second I though it was teasing for Golden Sun content, meaning the possibility for Isaac to be on the playable roster, so much disappointment

Personally I don't think that the dormant state of the series is a very strong argument. The last Punch-Out!! game was released one year before the last Golden Sun game, still post-Brawl, and despite this Little Mac was eventually promoted from an Assist Trophy to a playable character, five years later that this last Punch-Out!! game. Also yes, Dark Dawn was kinda disappointing compared to the GBA games (I only played the first Golden Sun so I can't compare myself, I'm just reporting what I read), but Skyward Sword and Other M got a lot of negative criticism compared to previous Zelda and Metroid games, and they're still represented a lot in SSB4, though I admit that it's maybe because both are already well established series in SSB.

Actually I think that one of the biggest problem Isaac is facing, and maybe the reason why he ended in Brawl as just an Assist Trophy, is because of the "uniqueness" Sakurai wants for the characters in SSB. "What?! Isaac has so much potential to be unique!" I expect from you, but there is a problem - uniqueness isn't based only on the moveset potential, and we already have these guys in SSB:

Spoiler

The entire Mother series has been released on Game Boy Advance, hurting the chances of Golden Sun representation due of the similar game genre (RPG) and power used by characters (a psychic energy). At the same time Isaac looks nothing like Ness or Lucas (well, asides from blonde hair colour shared with Lucas) and the Mother series's relation to the GBA isn't as strong as Golden Sun's due to the fact that Mother 1 + 2 is a remake of two games originally released for the Famicon and the Super Nintendo respectively.

I feel that getting three RPG heroes with psychic powers from two franchises would maybe be overkill, though obviously I don't deny that Isaac would have no trouble to differentiate himself from Ness and Lucas as a fighter in SSB4. I'd like to know your feels about this case, especially from someone who played games from both Mother and Golden Sun franchises. GS proven to be an active series after Brawl thanks to a new game and the release of both of its original games on the Virtual Console (though we're still waiting for The Lost Age outside of Japan), and with the high demand from fans, I hope that Sakurai will look farther than "We already have psychic RPG heroes we don't need another one from another series" for this new Smash instalment!

 

[LasermasterA]

I just want to remind everybody to got get your hopes up too much. Isaac was a cointoss from the very beginning and we all knew that! If he gets in as a character, rejoice hard! But if he isn't, don't get too disappointed. I learned that myself from Brawl. I had like 10 wanted character that we all considered "likely" and "shoe-ins", but only got Wolf in the end...

Hey brother I am a regular "cointosser" (or medal tosser) at the Tolbi and Lemurian fountains. I have fairly good luck so I am hoping this coin toss nets me an "Isaac in Smash 4". That is what the centre circle is for. And I have tons of lucky medals!

I feel that getting three RPG heroes with psychic powers from two franchises would maybe be overkill, though obviously I don't deny that Isaac would have no trouble to differentiate himself from Ness and Lucas as a fighter in SSB4. I'd like to know your feels about this case, especially from someone who played games from both Mother and Golden Sun franchises. GS proven to be an active series after Brawl thanks to a new game and the release of both of its original games on the Virtual Console (though we're still waiting for The Lost Age outside of Japan), and with the high demand from fans, I hope that Sakurai will look farther than "We already have psychic RPG heroes we don't need another one from another series" for this new Smash instalment!

As you said, Isaac is a very different type of Psychicer. He can use swords and render the earth, sunder the skies, summon flames of fury and freeze icebergs out of thin air (including multiple Djinn classes). Considering Ness and Lucas were there in Brawl and Golden Sun has been a very popular series, with a recent game, Isaac should make it in. As a playable character!

There was this guy telling me on Nintendolife,com that Isaac is an assist trophy again and he saw him at E3. And I was like what? Not possible, called it fake. Otherwise we already would have had the news.

 

[Aureola]

So, I finally got the original game on the virtual console so I don't have to figure out where my DS lite went.

I forgot how depressing that intro was.

 

[iam8bit]

I just want to remind everybody to got get your hopes up too much.

Thanks. I will, in fact, watch Game of Thrones, then get my hopes up a lot for Isaac. Excellent advice!

 

[Storm Eagle]

I didn't mean that kind of cointoss!

 

[SirRob]

What if, what if they showed off Isaac in the next Nintendo Direct? And then afterwards showed off Golden Sun 4?! You know, like Rosalina's trailer?!?

 

[Aureola]

What if, what if they showed off Isaac in the next Nintendo Direct? And then afterwards showed off Golden Sun 4?! You know, like Rosalina's trailer?!?

I want this so bad. I'd be shocked if it was true, though.

 

[SonicLink125]

I want this so bad. I'd be shocked if it was true, though.

I just learned recently that Earthbound will have it's anniversary this month on the 27th. If we're lucky, Isaac could be revealed along with Ness and Lucas. People are saying that we are due for another Nintendo Direct of Smash Bros., but I'm not sure how accurate that is. Either way, hoping for another video either this week or next.

 

[Aureola]

I just learned recently that Earthbound will have it's anniversary this month on the 27th. If we're lucky, Isaac could be revealed along with Ness and Lucas. People are saying that we are due for another Nintendo Direct of Smash Bros., but I'm not sure how accurate that is. Either way, hoping for another video either this week or next.

How old will it be? The chances increase if it's a multiple of five,

 

[SonicLink125]

How old will it be? The chances increase if it's a multiple of five,

Earthbound (Mother) Release dates:

• JP August 27, 1994
• NA June 5, 1995

It would have been 20 years since Earthbound (Mother) came out in Japan. It is a multiple of 5. Interesting.

 

[Aureola]

Earthbound (Mother) Release dates:

• JP August 27, 1994
• NA June 5, 1995

It would have been 20 years since Earthbound (Mother) came out in Japan. It is a multiple of 5. Interesting.

Hmm... If it wasn't 20, I wouldn't put much stock into it, but seeing as how that's a pretty big milestone....

By the way, I saw someone suggest that something is in store for Golden Sun with the fact the games are being rereleased on the Virtual Console. They may be onto something, seeing as how TLA came out soon after the original in Japan.

 

[SonicLink125]

Hmm... If it wasn't 20, I wouldn't put much stock into it, but seeing as how that's a pretty big milestone....

By the way, I saw someone suggest that something is in store for Golden Sun with the fact the games are being rereleased on the Virtual Console. They may be onto something, seeing as how TLA came out soon after the original in Japan.

It is a possibility. GoldenSun happened to be one of the first that was released on the VC for GBA. And some of those first titles happened to have a playable character revealed. It might of been a coincidence, but let's hope it does mean something.

Who all here has bought GoldenSun on the VC? I did, and hope to do a let's play of it with my friends so that they know the awesomeness that is GoldenSun. Haha!

 

[Retroend]

one question.

with golden sun out on the VC, will there be a way to transfer all your things from golden sun 1 to golden sun 2? (assuming golden sun 2 comes out on the VC as well.)

 

[Storm Eagle]

one question.

with golden sun out on the VC, will there be a way to transfer all your things from golden sun 1 to golden sun 2? (assuming golden sun 2 comes out on the VC as well.)

Don't count on it. They didn't include any connectivity for the Zelda Oracle games. Better get that Note and Pen ready. ;-)

 

[Malkior7]

When I saw the Assist Trophy today on pic of the day I first thought that it was an Assist Trophy inspired of a summon from Golden Sun due to the size, but then I quickly realized that its design didn't match the Golden Sun universe very well, so I did researches about him and without surprise it wasn't a Golden Sun summon. For half of a second I though it was teasing for Golden Sun content, meaning the possibility for Isaac to be on the playable roster, so much disappointment

Personally I don't think that the dormant state of the series is a very strong argument. The last Punch-Out!! game was released one year before the last Golden Sun game, still post-Brawl, and despite this Little Mac was eventually promoted from an Assist Trophy to a playable character, five years later that this last Punch-Out!! game. Also yes, Dark Dawn was kinda disappointing compared to the GBA games (I only played the first Golden Sun so I can't compare myself, I'm just reporting what I read), but Skyward Sword and Other M got a lot of negative criticism compared to previous Zelda and Metroid games, and they're still represented a lot in SSB4, though I admit that it's maybe because both are already well established series in SSB.

Actually I think that one of the biggest problem Isaac is facing, and maybe the reason why he ended in Brawl as just an Assist Trophy, is because of the "uniqueness" Sakurai wants for the characters in SSB. "What?! Isaac has so much potential to be unique!" I expect from you, but there is a problem - uniqueness isn't based only on the moveset potential, and we already have these guys in SSB:

Spoiler

The entire Mother series has been released on Game Boy Advance, hurting the chances of Golden Sun representation due of the similar game genre (RPG) and power used by characters (a psychic energy). At the same time Isaac looks nothing like Ness or Lucas (well, asides from blonde hair colour shared with Lucas) and the Mother series's relation to the GBA isn't as strong as Golden Sun's due to the fact that Mother 1 + 2 is a remake of two games originally released for the Famicon and the Super Nintendo respectively.

I feel that getting three RPG heroes with psychic powers from two franchises would maybe be overkill, though obviously I don't deny that Isaac would have no trouble to differentiate himself from Ness and Lucas as a fighter in SSB4. I'd like to know your feels about this case, especially from someone who played games from both Mother and Golden Sun franchises. GS proven to be an active series after Brawl thanks to a new game and the release of both of its original games on the Virtual Console (though we're still waiting for The Lost Age outside of Japan), and with the high demand from fans, I hope that Sakurai will look farther than "We already have psychic RPG heroes we don't need another one from another series" for this new Smash instalment!

All I'm going to say to this is if Lucina could get in Isaac can too

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

I hope if Isaac is in and they do reveal him, they make a joke about the Master Hand or something in the reveal trailer.

His weapon has to be the Sol Blade given it's the strongest weapon in GS2 ignoring that cursed sword. Megiddo 24/7 anyone?

Also OP please add me to the supporters list when you get chance. Thank you!

 

[Aureola]

Speaking of the Sol Blade, how in the world did it get from Isaac/Felix to the Apollo Sanctum? I mean, it makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[_Sheik]

So, I finally got the original game on the virtual console so I don't have to figure out where my DS lite went.

I forgot how depressing that intro was.

You mean the whole part with the children and the tempest?

 

[Aureola]

You mean the whole part with the children and the tempest?

Yep. I forgot why I just spammed the buttons every time.

I mean, you make us watch the main character's dad and a little girl's entire family get washed away. Thank you so much Camelot.

 

[SirRob]

Speaking of the Sol Blade, how in the world did it get from Isaac/Felix to the Apollo Sanctum? I mean, it makes no sense whatsoever.

There's always the possibility that there's multiple Sol Blades in the world; you can get multiples of other weapons, so it's not out of the question.

one question.

with golden sun out on the VC, will there be a way to transfer all your things from golden sun 1 to golden sun 2? (assuming golden sun 2 comes out on the VC as well.)

The games have a password system. I actually used a password from the VC Golden Sun to transfer my party to my Lost Age GBA cartridge. It was pretty trippy.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

I don't know why, but I think the best way to announce Isaac is with Ganandorf. Like a Link vs Ganandorf scene, and Isaac crashes in with Ragnarok maybe? That would be the most awesome veteren and newcomer reveal ever!

Isaac vs Ganondorf is like my long awaited match up, I want to see it.

Oh and put Ghirahim in too, Isaac could look at him and think he's Saturos, lol.

 

[Skyblade12]

I mean, you make us watch the main character's dad and a little girl's entire family get washed away. Thank you so much Camelot.

The end of Dark Dawn is worse. After the final boss fight, when Jenna gets the revelation, before the happy ending.

 

[LasermasterA]

I hope if Isaac is in and they do reveal him, they make a joke about the Master Hand or something in the reveal trailer.

His weapon has to be the Sol Blade given it's the strongest weapon in GS2 ignoring that cursed sword. Megiddo 24/7 anyone?

Also OP please add me to the supporters list when you get chance. Thank you!

Actually it IS the strongest weapon in GS2 even if you count the cursed sword. The Sol Blade's attack stat is lower but its unleash ALWAYS does triple the calculated damage. And its unleash is venus based so Isaac and Felix can take full advantage of it. The only way the Darksword can do similar damage is if you equip it and continuously use "Call Dullahan" from the Dark Mage class as that is the only psynergy which does triple damage. The Excalibur is the closest weapon to the Sol Blade dealing around 2.2 times damage. It can triple but it also does normal unleash damage so the multiplier averages out to be 2.2.

It is a possibility. GoldenSun happened to be one of the first that was released on the VC for GBA. And some of those first titles happened to have a playable character revealed. It might of been a coincidence, but let's hope it does mean something.

Who all here has bought GoldenSun on the VC? I did, and hope to do a let's play of it with my friends so that they know the awesomeness that is GoldenSun. Haha!

Yea that is currently the main thing going for Golden Sun. It was one of the first titles on GBA VC. Out of which all the games except Advance Wars and Golden Sun had a representative in Brawl.

Advance Wars - No playable character (Andy and Isaac together???!!!!)
Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga - Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser
Metroid Fusion - Samus
Kirby and the Amazing Mirror - Kirby, Meta Knight
WarioWare Inc. - Wario was playable in Brawl not announced yet for Smash 4
F-Zero Maximum Velocity - Captain Falcon
Golden Sun - Waiting for Isaac

The end of Dark Dawn is worse. After the final boss fight, when Jenna gets the revelation, before the happy ending.

You mean the end of The Lost Age. Isaac was the only character besides Kraden to know about this "revelation" (everyone saw it after beating the final boss!) before the fight started but he continued with the fight nonetheless. Badass leader alright.

 

[Skyblade12]

You mean the end of The Lost Age. Isaac was the only character besides Kraden to know about this "revelation" (everyone saw it after beating the final boss!) before the fight started but he continued with the fight nonetheless. Badass leader alright.

Yeah. Meant The Lost Age. Sorry. Splitting headache throwing my logic and memory off tonight.

 

[LasermasterA]

Yeah. Meant The Lost Age. Sorry. Splitting headache throwing my logic and memory off tonight.

Happens. Headaches are awful. Now off to play Golden Sun 2.

Just found this picture on deviantArt about how Isaac might have lost some sleep after the final battle.

Pic by RennyRensaur on deviantArt.

"I knew what I was doing when I raised the sword" - Isaac

Nintendo, reveal this epic character as a challenger for Smash 4 already!

 

[Eagle]

Hey guys, a leak surfaced recently that says Isaac is one of the unrevealed newcomers coming in the next smash. Almost always I just assume it's fake but there's a couple things in this particular leak I found interesting.

Spoiler

>残りの新しいキャラクター

>マッハライダー
>シュルク
>ロビン
>ディクシーコング
>バシャーモ(キャプテン·ファルコンクローン)

>リズム天国のステージのみ

>Wii U ニューモード: 『ボス戦』,4v1 ゲームプレー,ボスプレイヤーはWii U ゲームパッドを使用して います

>これらは、このモードになっているいくつかのボスである -
>マスターハンド
>イベルタル
>リドリー
>黒いフェイス

> New characters remaining

> Mach Rider
> Shuruku (Shulk)
> Robin (Isaac)
> Dixie Kong
> Bashamo (Blaziken) (Captain Falcon clone)

> Only stage of rhythm heaven

> Wii U New mode: "boss battles", 4v1 game play, boss player uses the Wii U game pad

> These are a few bosses which are in this mode -
> Master Hand
> Iberutaru
> Ridley
> Black Face

Sorry if this has already been debunked or whatever. Also I assume it didn't originate on 4chan.

Anyways, most fake leaks I come across rarely ever include Isaac (Robin) and this is the first one that that describes a new mode where you play as bosses. I had previously never considered a boss mode, but thinking about it it makes a lot of sense. I want Ridley to be playable, and Sakurai seems to be teasing him for so long now but I just can't really imagine him being executed properly. But this boss mode might be the alternative Sakurai was looking for. A way to include Ridley that properly represents Ridley (even if it's not ideal for a lot of people).

I'm hoping that this leak turns out to be real, even if it means K.Rool / Mewtwo / Ridley aren't added to the cast.

I really hope I didn't come late to the party on this "leak".

 

[Hong]

That's my favourite one, yet.

Granted, not sure if my body could handle that.

 

[Arteen]

I got as far as "Mach Rider" before determining that the leak is fake.

 

[SirRob]

I really doubt we're getting five newcomers this late. Also, people would EXPLODE if there was another Captain Falcon clone that was totally unrelated to Falcon.

 

[LasermasterA]

Hey guys, a leak surfaced recently that says Isaac is one of the unrevealed newcomers coming in the next smash. Almost always I just assume it's fake but there's a couple things in this particular leak I found interesting.

Spoiler

>残りの新しいキャラクター

>マッハライダー
>シュルク
>ロビン
>ディクシーコング
>バシャーモ(キャプテン·ファルコンクローン)

>リズム天国のステージのみ

>Wii U ニューモード: 『ボス戦』,4v1 ゲームプレー,ボスプレイヤーはWii U ゲームパッドを使用して います

>これらは、このモードになっているいくつかのボスである -
>マスターハンド
>イベルタル
>リドリー
>黒いフェイス

> New characters remaining

> Mach Rider
> Shuruku (Shulk)
> Robin (Isaac)
> Dixie Kong
> Bashamo (Blaziken) (Captain Falcon clone)

> Only stage of rhythm heaven

> Wii U New mode: "boss battles", 4v1 game play, boss player uses the Wii U game pad

> These are a few bosses which are in this mode -
> Master Hand
> Iberutaru
> Ridley
> Black Face

Sorry if this has already been debunked or whatever. Also I assume it didn't originate on 4chan.

Anyways, most fake leaks I come across rarely ever include Isaac (Robin) and this is the first one that that describes a new mode where you play as bosses. I had previously never considered a boss mode, but thinking about it it makes a lot of sense. I want Ridley to be playable, and Sakurai seems to be teasing him for so long now but I just can't really imagine him being executed properly. But this boss mode might be the alternative Sakurai was looking for. A way to include Ridley that properly represents Ridley (even if it's not ideal for a lot of people).

I'm hoping that this leak turns out to be real, even if it means K.Rool / Mewtwo / Ridley aren't added to the cast.

I really hope I didn't come late to the party on this "leak".

Well actually I have seen one other website, I think it was ssb4dojo where there is a leak saying that remaining newcomers are Isaac along with "Shulk, K. Rool, Duck Hunt Dog and a Rhythm Heaven rep. There will also be a 4th Mii Fighter class called Mii Sorcerer". I have also seen 'leaks' where it is said Isaac is an AT so wouldn't completely believe them. But appearance of Isaac in multiple of these so-called "leaks" as a playable challenger might indicate that more people are starting to guess about his inclusion or that he is actually being included. I will obviously lean towards the latter.

I actually really don't care for the other details, just give me Isaac for Smash Bros. But if there is a boss mode in which you can control bosses, it would satisfy a lot of the Ridley fans without him being modified or made much smaller just to be made into a challenger. I also read somewhere that bosses will have their own HP bar and in local play, it will be the gamepad player controlling the boss.

Just announce Isaac as a newcomer already Nintendo, so we can leave speculation of the roster aside and start talking about the good stuff!

 

[Arteen]

Duck Hunt Dog is an obvious fake in that other leak. The rest of the roster would be believable otherwise.

I have my doubts that there are any more than one or two newcomers left.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Duck Hunt Dog is an obvious fake in that other leak. The rest of the roster would be believable otherwise.

I have my doubts that there are any more than one or two newcomers left.

Didn't people say the same thing about ROB in Brawl?

 

[LasermasterA]

Duck Hunt Dog is an obvious fake in that other leak. The rest of the roster would be believable otherwise.

I have my doubts that there are any more than one or two newcomers left.

I think so too that Duck Hunt Dog is a far call and unlikely. But surprisingly, my non gamer friends remember him quite nicely so he definitely has that retro thing going for him. I don't mind him an entry as long as Isaac comes in. The series needs to be represented by its rightful first and overall protagonist, Isaac!

The original Earth Shaking adept :D

 

[Skyblade12]

Boss Mode is pretty ridiculous, to be honest. Take the one boss we know so far. Yellow Devil. No chance at playability. He's slow, he's boring, he's predictable, and he can't even attack entire portions of the stage.

Most of Brawl's bosses aren't much better. I honestly don't see a mode like that coming in.

That said, the "leak" spoiler is completely empty for me, so I have no idea what the leak actually states.