Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[TeamFlareZakk]

You know, you might be onto something there. Lucas, in a way, represented the Mother series on the GBA. There hasn't been any indication or hint on that series at all yet either. I wonder if Isaac will be with Ness and Lucas in a trailer like someone else said in this thread.

And those that think that the GBA isn't retro yet, I beg to differ. It's now on the Virtual Console now which in a way makes it retro. Of course, there are other reasons why it can be considered retro.

Oh and Wario too, I think he wants to get revenge on Ness and Lucas for Subspace and then here comes Isaac for the save.

Ness, Lucas and Isaac could be a 3 man band!

Although as unfortunate as it is, it could spell disaster for one of the Earthbound reps though, like how Captain Falcon defeated Chrom, what if Wario defeats either Lucas or Ness thus deconfirming them?

Still I think it would be a epic trailer seeing this happen.

 

[LasermasterA]

Isaac & Medusa Amiibos would be the first two I'd buy, if only for the sake of the figurines.



I was in middle school when the GBA started its stride.



Both games are great, although I don't go back to Chrono Trigger a lot compared to Golden Sun. Just be careful with this because you don't want to end up with a case of "hype backlash", although I think they will appreciate the effort and what they provide. Though I do agree that graphics don't make the game, and I prefer portable RPGs over home console ones. I just feel that portable systems are perfect for RPGs while home console RPGs just sorta drag on and on.

Yea, I love Chrono Trigger for what it is and think its an amazing RPG. It is just that I haven't played it as often as Golden Sun plus I found unlocking all the endings to be a bit tedious since they don't change much each time. Although I did play the DS release as well and did the alternate ending as it was separate and it also unlocked a new FMV. That boss fight had some epic musc.

Just finished Golden Sun 1 today. Got 2 Kikuichimonjis and finished the game with the characters at lvl 33. The final boss fight with Saturos and Menardi was easy and now after data transfer, the 2nd game is going to be trolling me again with Isaac and Ivan losing against Karst and Agatio! My Ivan was a sage! They shouldn't have lost at all. Ugh plot convenience.

I love portable games, I am finding it hard to play PC or home console games after I falling in love with my 3DS Golden Sun, the only game capable of drawing me away from Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate!

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Yea, I love Chrono Trigger for what it is and think its an amazing RPG. It is just that I haven't played it as often as Golden Sun plus I found unlocking all the endings to be a bit tedious since they don't change much each time. Although I did play the DS release as well and did the alternate ending as it was separate and it also unlocked a new FMV. That boss fight had some epic musc.

Just finished Golden Sun 1 today. Got 2 Kikuichimonjis and finished the game with the characters at lvl 33. The final boss fight with Saturos and Menardi was easy and now after data transfer, the 2nd game is going to be trolling me again with Isaac and Ivan losing against Karst and Agatio! My Ivan was a sage! They shouldn't have lost at all. Ugh plot convenience.

I love portable games, I am finding it hard to play PC or home console games after I falling in love with my 3DS Golden Sun, the only game capable of drawing me away from Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate!

You mean this?

Agatio is my favorite!

 

[LasermasterA]

You mean this?

Agatio is my favorite!

Yup, nonsensical fight. If I was controlling 'em with the classes I had when I transferred them, this would have happened.

But then, the game needed this for the plot >.<

 

[Skyblade12]

Yea, I love Chrono Trigger for what it is and think its an amazing RPG. It is just that I haven't played it as often as Golden Sun plus I found unlocking all the endings to be a bit tedious since they don't change much each time. Although I did play the DS release as well and did the alternate ending as it was separate and it also unlocked a new FMV. That boss fight had some epic musc.

If you think the endings didn't change much, you only unlocked the first two or three. Trust me, they change a lot once you start messing around with New Game+.

Just finished Golden Sun 1 today. Got 2 Kikuichimonjis and finished the game with the characters at lvl 33. The final boss fight with Saturos and Menardi was easy and now after data transfer, the 2nd game is going to be trolling me again with Isaac and Ivan losing against Karst and Agatio! My Ivan was a sage! They shouldn't have lost at all. Ugh plot convenience.

Agreed. How did they even get to a position where all their Djinn were drained? Total stupidity.

It's the one thing that really, really irked me about The Lost Age. I hate when my characters lose (period), and to take control away from me just to make them fall in battle is extremely rage inducing for me.

I love portable games, I am finding it hard to play PC or home console games after I falling in love with my 3DS Golden Sun, the only game capable of drawing me away from Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate!

I'm also a huge portable player these days. But I'm not a huge Monster Hunter fan.

 

[Diddy Kong]

You know, you might be onto something there. Lucas, in a way, represented the Mother series on the GBA. There hasn't been any indication or hint on that series at all yet either. I wonder if Isaac will be with Ness and Lucas in a trailer like someone else said in this thread.

And those that think that the GBA isn't retro yet, I beg to differ. It's now on the Virtual Console now which in a way makes it retro. Of course, there are other reasons why it can be considered retro.

Yes I said so. But I also want Mewtwo in the trailer. All 4 psychic power houses in one trailer would be an awesome sight I feel.

 

[ferioku]

I don't know why, but I think the best way to announce Isaac is with Ganandorf. Like a Link vs Ganandorf scene, and Isaac crashes in with Ragnarok maybe? That would be the most awesome veteren and newcomer reveal ever!

 

[Storm Eagle]

I don't know why, but I think the best way to announce Isaac is with Ganandorf. Like a Link vs Ganandorf scene, and Isaac crashes in with Ragnarok maybe? That would be the most awesome veteren and newcomer reveal ever!

I actually really like that idea! "I have the biggest sword!" :-P Assuming that Ganondorf will get a sword this time, of course!

 

[LasermasterA]

If you think the endings didn't change much, you only unlocked the first two or three. Trust me, they change a lot once you start messing around with New Game+.

I know what happens. You have to go through the portal at specific points during the New Game+ to have different endings depending on things you managed to complete before you the final villain. But the boss remains the same and ending changes a bit usually to a comedic effect.

Whereas the 2nd secret boss ending in the DS version was still different as you see a completely different ending, different cinematic and the boss is different as well, much stronger than the actual final boss.

Agreed. How did they even get to a position where all their Djinn were drained? Total stupidity.

It's the one thing that really, really irked me about The Lost Age. I hate when my characters lose (period), and to take control away from me just to make them fall in battle is extremely rage inducing for me.

Yea in my opinion that battle instead of being about Isaac and Ivan losing pathetically, we should have had a chance to control them. It would have been nice that if you actually lose, you see the dialogue that we receive in the game whereas if you last a certain amount of turns, Felix comes and interrupts the fight. Them losing the battle was totally insane. By the end of Golden Sun, my party was all level 33 (without grinding, just fighting every random encounter) and Saturos + Menardi was extremely easy. Two party members would have easily managed. I call it insane when Isaac and Ivan lose a battle, that too against people who are said to be weaker than the original Fire duo.

I'm also a huge portable player these days. But I'm not a huge Monster Hunter fan.

I have become a huge portable player and with my purchase of Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, I have become totally hooked. That too on single player! I find it hard to play any other game. Although Golden Sun is an exception. I played Golden Sun these days and was not willing to leave it to play MH again. This is how awesome GS is :D

Well to me that means a lot.

 

[ShinyRegice]

I don't know why, but I think the best way to announce Isaac is with Ganandorf. Like a Link vs Ganandorf scene, and Isaac crashes in with Ragnarok maybe? That would be the most awesome veteren and newcomer reveal ever!

Link has already been used in Palutena's trailer as Pit's rival, as much as awesome it would be, I'd prefer something else. Here's my own idea:

Spoiler

The trailer starts with a pic of the Golden Sun itself above the Mt. Aleph, then the camera moves down and we find Villager in a forest. He finds a sprout, waters it (a reference to his down B), then ivy grows so Villager can climb to reach a platform. He wants to pass through a somewhat narrow passage between two walls of rock, but a remixed version of the Isaac battle theme starts and Donkey Kong suddendly appears, trying to punch Villager but missing him and punching instead one of the walls. Due to the collision a big rock falls and blocks the passage, and the battle between Villager and Donkey Kong starts. Both falls from the platform during the battle, then Donkey Kong eventually hits Villager, and while being close to the platform at its bottom, starts charging his Giant Punch (his neutral B-move) to inflict the final blow to Villager. Before he can finish charging, a "Move!" is heard, a rock is falling above Donkey Kong, he dodges it at the last moment. Then we see a giant hand above the platform that quickly disappears, then we see Isaac, he jumps from the platform to land above the fallen rock (the one that fallen when Donkey Kong punched the wall), says "You'll not steal the elemental stars from the Sol Sanctum!." then cries "EARTHQUAKE!!!" to summon a powerful quake that sends Villager and Donkey Kong far away. Then the camera zooms on Isaac, with his splash art "Isaac Shakes the Earth!"

That's just an idea of course, and it would be funny to share our newcomer trailer ideas to see who is the closest to the official one after Isaac's reveal. If he's deconfirmed as playable... well, we all lose this game, and we all hope that it won't happen!

Now that I'm more familiar with the battle system I now understand clearly how the summon system works. I didn't know exactly how it worked before so I crapped it in my moveset stub, but it would create an awesome smash attack gimmick combined with the unleashed djinn. Here's my idea about how the summon system could work in Smash 4 (thouth maybe someone else has the same idea before me):

Spoiler

Every time you unleash a djinni with a B-move, you gain a summon point based on the element of the unleashed djinni, but you cannot gain another summon point from the same B-move until you spend it. Then every time you use a Smash attack, you automatically spend summon points to attack with a summon; the three smash attack directions (side, up and down) have three possible summon, as well as a default and rather weak sword attack if you can't do any summon with a given smash attack, and if a combination of summon points and directional smash attack allow multiple summon, then they have different priorities and the one with the higher priority (usually the most powerful one) is used. Summon points are visible on the screen, like Little Mac's power metter.

What is awesome with this concept is that special move customisation would allow new possible summons with smash attacks. For example, let's assume that Isaac's default B-moveset include the four elements: neutral = earth, side = water, up = wind and down = fire. Then after unleashing all of his four djinn, he has four summon points, each based on different elements, meaning that Isaac is unable to do summons more powerful than the basic ones (Venus, Mars, Mercury and Saturn). But now assume that you customise the side and down B moves to change them to a Venus-based psynergy, then you will be able to summon Cybele as a part of a smash attack, a much more powerful attack than just a Venus summon!

Edit: well, even though summons in Golden Sun 1 all use a single element, I saw in the Golden Sun wiki that summons can now use several elements in The Lost Age, though only Zagan and Megaera could be summoned with only one summon point of each element. Actually it would be better to include mainly multi-element summons in Isaac's smash attack moveset.

I love Golden Sun for its many references and deep inspiration from the alchemy, like the sentence early in the first game where someone says that it can change some metals into gold, or the involvement of planets like Venus or Jupiter, who are involved in the traditional alchemy as well; heck even the title of the series itself is a reference to alchemy, due to gold being associated with the sun!

 

[ferioku]

Link has already been used in Palutena's trailer as Pit's rival, as much as awesome it would be, I'd prefer something else. Here's my own idea:

Spoiler

The trailer starts with a pic of the Golden Sun itself above the Mt. Aleph, then the camera moves down and we find Villager in a forest. He finds a sprout, waters it (a reference to his down B), then ivy grows so Villager can climb to reach a platform. He wants to pass through a somewhat narrow passage between two walls of rock, but a remixed version of the Isaac battle starts and Donkey Kong suddendly appears, trying to punch Villager but missing him and punching instead one of the walls. Due to the collision a big rock falls and blocks the passage, and the battle between Villager and Donkey Kong starts. Both falls from the platform during the battle, then Donkey Kong eventually hits Villager, and while being close to the platform at its bottom, starts charging his Giant Punch (his neutral B-move) to inflict the final blow to Villager. Before he can finish charging, a "Move!" is heard, a rock is falling about Donkey Kong, he dodges it at the last moment. Then we see a giant hand above the platform that quickly disappears, then we see Isaac, he jumps from the platform to land above the fallen rock (the one that fallen when Donkey Kong punched the wall), says "You'll not steal the elemental stars from the Sol Sanctum!." then cries "EARTHQUAKE!!!" to summon a powerful quake that sends Villager and Donkey Kong far away. Then the camera zooms on Isaac, with his splash art "Isaac Shakes the Earth!"

That's just an idea of course, and it would be funny to share our newcomer trailer ideas to see who is the closest to the official one after Isaac's reveal. If he's deconfirmed as playable... well, we all lose this game, and we all hope that it won't happen!

I still think a Ganandorf Reveal with Isaac would be the best fit, we've already seen donkey kong and villager =/

 

[Bingoshi]

I think Ness should be in Isaac's trailer, personally. If Shulk is in, it'd be cool if the trailer was about Isaac, Ness and Shulk. It would also make sense, what with them all being RPG protagonists and everything. Though I don't believe two unrelated newcomers have ever been revealed in the same trailer, so this will probably never happen.

 

[ferioku]

I think Ness should be in Isaac's trailer, personally. If Shulk is in, it'd be cool if the trailer was about Isaac, Ness and Shulk. It would also make sense, what with them all being RPG protagonists and everything. Though I don't believe two unrelated newcomers have ever been revealed in the same trailer, so this will probably never happen.

That would be another awesome trailer, I could imagine Shulk battling it out with Ness and he suddenly sees a vision of a massive boulder flying in, then Isaac crashes in.

 

[SonicLink125]

I think Ness should be in Isaac's trailer, personally. If Shulk is in, it'd be cool if the trailer was about Isaac, Ness and Shulk. It would also make sense, what with them all being RPG protagonists and everything. Though I don't believe two unrelated newcomers have ever been revealed in the same trailer, so this will probably never happen.

You know what, you bring up a really good point there. Besides Fire Emblem and Pokemon (to an extent), we haven't really seen any RPG-like characters yet. Earthbound, Xenoblade and GoldenSun would be an amazing trailer reveal!

I still hope for a villain trailer and that it be a two parter. The villains (veterans and newcomers) start to wreak havoc and then the second part, Isaac, Ness, Lucas and Shulk come in to help the other heroes out. Too bad that won't happen.

Somewhat off topic, every time I hear about a "leak", it frightens me because the ones we get lately don't even say that Isaac is in. Most commonly it's Shulk or Ridley. Although, they are usually debunked, it does sadden me that not many know who Isaac is. Come on Sakurai, GoldenSun NEEDS to be known and Isaac being playable will help a lot.

I wonder what Sakurai is going to show us this week? New trailer reveal?

 

[FalKoopa]

I still think that a Master Hand fake-out is the best idea for Isaac's trailer. It just makes too much sense, imo.

The RPG characters trailer idea sounds neat too, espesially it helps confirm Lucas.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

If they had a fake out trailer with Isaac pretending to be master hand, they should have Mewtwo laugh. Master Hand and Mewtwo have a similarly menacing laugh (at least in smash bros)

Mario and Link face off against a laughing Master Hand, then Mewtwo appears behind them and hits them with psycho cut (something like that) and they are thrown towards Master Hand. Isaac reveals himself and uses move to push Mario and Link off the stage. (Final Destination)

 

[Bassoonist]

While I think it would be neat to have Isaac and Mewtwo both confirmed at once, I think past discussions on this matter have made valid points... If they were both revealed at once, Mewtwo would take the spotlight and Isaac would just be that 'other' character that was revealed in the trailer.

Of course, he wouldn't be the "other" to us in any way, shape, or form. However, it's just that we want Isaac's reveal to put him in the spotlight.

I still think that the Master Hand trailer idea is the best. If only none of us had come up with it, it would be a really hard-to-predict trailer, just like Rosalina's and Robin/Lucina's. lol

 

[ShinyRegice]

While I think it would be neat to have Isaac and Mewtwo both confirmed at once, I think past discussions on this matter have made valid points... If they were both revealed at once, Mewtwo would take the spotlight and Isaac would just be that 'other' character that was revealed in the trailer.

Of course, he wouldn't be the "other" to us in any way, shape, or form. However, it's just that we want Isaac's reveal to put him in the spotlight.

I still think that the Master Hand trailer idea is the best. If only none of us had come up with it, it would be a really hard-to-predict trailer, just like Rosalina's and Robin/Lucina's. lol

Regardless of how is Isaac's reveal trailer, it would be cool to see his signature giant hand, as a reference to his Brawl Assist Trophy, and the Master Hand isea is awesome as well!

And to be honest the Robin trailer is somewhat how I predicted it, though I didn't expect Lucina to be playable. I imagined a battle Marth VS Mario + Link + Pikachu in Arena Ferox, Pikachu attacks Marth with an electric attack, but it's blocked by another thunder attack coming out from nowhere. Then Mario attacks Marth with a fire ball, but a mysterious blast of fire blocks it. Then Link throws his wind boomerang against Marth, but again a wind attack blocks it. Now Marth and Link have to fight at close combat with their sword, but Robin uses his own sword to separate Marth and Link, then removes his hood to reveal his identity.
I expected Arena Ferox, a FE character who fights a non-FE character (but several ones instead of only one), an attack from the enemy that's blocked by Robin's magic, and the fact that he removes his hood. That's not exactly how was the trailer, but it's kinda close!

 

[SonicLink125]

Here's another idea. Going back to the Mt Aleph idea, we see it and at first, it looks like any other mountain and the Ice Climbers (assuming they are in), are trying to get up on top, but Mt. Aleph starts to erupt and the Ice Climbers are falling. Then they are saved by a giant psynergy hand and turns out it was Isaac that saved them. That's something, right?

 

[LasermasterA]

While I think it would be neat to have Isaac and Mewtwo both confirmed at once, I think past discussions on this matter have made valid points... If they were both revealed at once, Mewtwo would take the spotlight and Isaac would just be that 'other' character that was revealed in the trailer.

Of course, he wouldn't be the "other" to us in any way, shape, or form. However, it's just that we want Isaac's reveal to put him in the spotlight.

I still think that the Master Hand trailer idea is the best. If only none of us had come up with it, it would be a really hard-to-predict trailer, just like Rosalina's and Robin/Lucina's. lol

Yes. Mewtwo is a much more demanded character than Isaac and a lot more people know about him than Isaac. I think the case should be similar to the Robin/Lucina trailer. They were revealed together along with the return of Captain Falcon who is not as popular as someone like Mewtwo. Thus Robin's "Thunder" was not taken away. If Isaac was revealed along with Mewtwo, Isaac's (I don't know) quake will remain largely unnoticed.

It would be better to pair Isaac with someone of similar popularity. Obviously showing his Move psynergy would be a nice homage to his past appearance as an assist trophy.

I still think he should be revealed with Shulk (if he is also a part of Smash), or someone like Lucas or Ness from the GBA era. That way his reveal could also be legendary as well as memorable.

Here's another idea. Going back to the Mt Aleph idea, we see it and at first, it looks like any other mountain and the Ice Climbers (assuming they are in), are trying to get up on top, but Mt. Aleph starts to erupt and the Ice Climbers are falling. Then they are saved by a giant psynergy hand and turns out it was Isaac that saved them. That's something, right?

It is demonstrating his carry or lift psynergy. And it sounds cool. But wasn't it said that Ice climbers won't be making a return appearance?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I do agree that revealing him with Mewtwo wouldn't do well as Mewtwo would steal his thunder due to the hype Mewtwo would create. Instead, Ness or Lucas would be more suitable.

 

[LasermasterA]

But whatever way he is revealed, he needs to be confirmed with an epic trailer of his own or a shared trailer with another character of similar popularity! The world of Weyard needs a hero, and it doesn't look like his son will be able to save the world by himself. It is time for the original Earth Shaking adept to enter the fray! And shake the world back into action!

Isaac for Smash 4 :D

 

[M23-X0]

Am I the only one who lost hope to see Isaac playable ? As time goes by, my faith diminished. The only newcomers that I see now are Shulk, a Rythm Heaven rep and a clone.

Could a character like him be kept hidden until the release of SSB4 ? I really hope that DLC are planed...

 

[LasermasterA]

Am I the only one who lost hope to see Isaac playable ? As time goes by, my faith diminished. The only newcomers that I see now are Shulk, a Rythm Heaven rep and a clone.

Could a character like him be kept hidden until the release of SSB4 ? I really hope that DLC are planed...

Don't lose hope. There is always darkness before "sunrise"!

And I think that there is not long left till the Golden Sun rises again.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Am I the only one who lost hope to see Isaac playable ? As time goes by, my faith diminished. The only newcomers that I see now are Shulk, a Rythm Heaven rep and a clone.

Could a character like him be kept hidden until the release of SSB4 ? I really hope that DLC are planed...

My hope for Isaac has remained steady, it hasn't changed significantly in quite a while.

There just isn't anything to go on either way.

 

[Aureola]

Am I the only one who lost hope to see Isaac playable ? As time goes by, my faith diminished. The only newcomers that I see now are Shulk, a Rythm Heaven rep and a clone.

Could a character like him be kept hidden until the release of SSB4 ? I really hope that DLC are planed...

Actually, my hope for Isaac randomly increased a while ago.

I have no idea why.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

My hope for Isaac has remained steady, it hasn't changed significantly in quite a while.

There just isn't anything to go on either way.

This is what happens when there is no concrete in-game evidence pointing towards Isaac. Then again, anything concrete would just send alarm bells ringing in people's ears due to how obvious it would make Isaac seem. They tried teasing Little Mac and it ended up obvious to most people that Mac was playable as soon as they figured out the stage took assets from Punch-Out!! and made their own conclusions.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Am I the only one who lost hope to see Isaac playable ? As time goes by, my faith diminished. The only newcomers that I see now are Shulk, a Rythm Heaven rep and a clone.

Could a character like him be kept hidden until the release of SSB4 ? I really hope that DLC are planed...

Something else I feel I ought to point out.

I gave up hope for Robin even though I really wanted him/her and I had a far more legitimate reason (or at least seemingly concrete reason) to feel like all hope was gone. The gematsu leak was gospel, and the gospel said Chrom was coming. At the time it didn't seem like Robin was a possibility anymore.

Yet here we are today, with playable Robin.

 

[FalcoPaunch!121]

Something else I feel I ought to point out.

I gave up hope for Robin even though I really wanted him/her and I had a far more legitimate reason (or at least seemingly concrete reason) to feel like all hope was gone. The gematsu leak was gospel, and the gospel said Chrom was coming. At the time it didn't seem like Robin was a possibility anymore.

Yet here we are today, with playable Robin.

Chrom came... in someones( Robins) final smash.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Chrom came... in someones( Robins) final smash.

To soon.

 

[M23-X0]

Something else I feel I ought to point out.

I gave up hope for Robin even though I really wanted him/her and I had a far more legitimate reason (or at least seemingly concrete reason) to feel like all hope was gone. The gematsu leak was gospel, and the gospel said Chrom was coming. At the time it didn't seem like Robin was a possibility anymore.

Yet here we are today, with playable Robin.

Actually, it was the opposite for me. I always had a hope that the leaker mixed up Chrom and Robin (protagonist of FE:A).

You know, the thing that made me lost my hope, is that there is NOTHING that leads to the inclusion of Isaac in SSB4.

• The supporters of K. Rool have the smash run ennemy
• The supporters of Rythm Heaven have an enemy too + leak
  
• The supporters of Shulk have the leak + Sakurai's tweet
• The supporters of Ridley have the boss thing

But what do we have, us, supporters of Isaac ? Nothing...

 

[Aureola]

Actually, it was the opposite for me. I always had a hope that the leaker mixed up Chrom and Robin (protagonist of FE:A).

You know, the thing that made me lost my hope, is that there is NOTHING that leads to the inclusion of Isaac in SSB4.

• The supporters of K. Rool have the smash run ennemy
• The supporters of Rythm Heaven have an enemy too + leak
  
• The supporters of Shulk have the leak + Sakurai's tweet
• The supporters of Ridley have the boss thing

But what do we have, us, supporters of Isaac ? Nothing...

I don't think we should count the leak.

-Could be representing the DK series as a whole.
-You make a good point there
-Also a good point, though they could be trolling us
-That could actually hurt his chances

Also, like has been said before, if Sakurai showed us something from this series, everyone would jump to conclusions, and he may as well reveal someone from Golden Sun with that.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Actually, it was the opposite for me. I always had a hope that the leaker mixed up Chrom and Robin (protagonist of FE:A).

You know, the thing that made me lost my hope, is that there is NOTHING that leads to the inclusion of Isaac in SSB4.

• The supporters of K. Rool have the smash run ennemy
• The supporters of Rythm Heaven have an enemy too + leak
  
• The supporters of Shulk have the leak + Sakurai's tweet
• The supporters of Ridley have the boss thing

But what do we have, us, supporters of Isaac ? Nothing...

Supporters of Robin didn't have anything. It was almost a given that we would get an Awakening rep. Chrom was also overwhelmingly seen as the frontrunner.

All we Robin fans really had was the hope that Sakurai wouldn't like putting three male blue haired sword wielding lords on the roster. Which wasn't much comfort at all.

 

[Aureola]

Supporters of Robin didn't have anything. It was almost a given that we would get an Awakening rep. Chrom was also overwhelmingly seen as the frontrunner.

All we Robin fans really had was the hope that Sakurai wouldn't like putting three male blue haired sword wielding lords on the roster. Which wasn't much comfort at all.

Pretty much this. After actually thinking about it, I decided that seeing Robin in the game would be cooler than Chrom, but still realized that Chrom had better chances. I was happy to be wrong.

Basically, the leaks aren't everything, and even someone we don't think will be in could still be in.

 

[ferioku]

Actually, it was the opposite for me. I always had a hope that the leaker mixed up Chrom and Robin (protagonist of FE:A).

You know, the thing that made me lost my hope, is that there is NOTHING that leads to the inclusion of Isaac in SSB4.

• The supporters of K. Rool have the smash run ennemy
• The supporters of Rythm Heaven have an enemy too + leak
  
• The supporters of Shulk have the leak + Sakurai's tweet
• The supporters of Ridley have the boss thing

But what do we have, us, supporters of Isaac ? Nothing...

Yeah it is kind of scary to be honest. I was going to say little mac had no evidence of getting a spot, but he had the boxing ring (can't believe I forgot that) to support him. Palutena had the ring, Pacman had the retro Namco Items, Palutena with the temple, Robin and Lucina had the FE stages, Greninja had Lumiouse city Rosalina had the Mario Galaxy Stage and Mii fights have the damn find Mii stage! We have no evidence or clue to Isaac having anything...

Imagine if Sakurai implements Djinns as items, and reveals Isaac, Felix or Mathew after, a similar thing he did with meta knight with the costumes. Sigh, I guess I'm just hoping for too much T_T

 

[SonicLink125]

Don't lose hope. There is always darkness before "sunrise"!

And I think that there is not long left till the Golden Sun rises again.

You know, right there what you said makes me think that Sakurai is saving to reveal Isaac for last in that sense. Since a golden sun is usually shown to appear in the mourning, the final reveal trailer could be just that, the GoldenSun rises again after years later or something to that extent.

It is demonstrating his carry or lift psynergy. And it sounds cool. But wasn't it said that Ice climbers won't be making a return appearance?

Well, we don't know that just yet. Sakurai did mention that some characters will be cut and I bet he was mostly pointing to Squirtle and Ivysaur. Charzard's reveal made sure of that, IMO. Ice Climbers as I've heard was because of their complications in the 3DS version and Sakurai wants ALL playable characters in both the 3DS and Wii U versions. But usually, Sakurai finds a way somehow. I just assume that all but those 2 Pokemon in Brawl are still going to be in SSB4. So, until then, it would be cool to see those two just wanting to challenge to climb Mt. Aleph. And maybe along with Ness and Lucas.

 

[Storm Eagle]

The only thing that Isaac has going for him, is that he wasn't shown in the April Smash Direct during the AT section... Yeah, not a whole lot. Oh boy, was anybody else here worried as F*CK when that AT section came up during the direct? xD

 

[SonicLink125]

The only thing that Isaac has going for him, is that he wasn't shown in the April Smash Direct during the AT section... Yeah, not a whole lot. Oh boy, was anybody else here worried as F*CK when that AT section came up during the direct? xD

At that time, it never came to my mind. I never thought of Isaac as being playable yet until recently this month. Now, I'm glad he wasn't shown as an AT and in a way, does increase his chances. And to those who think he might be a secret AT. Well, so was Shadow and a few others I believe and he was revealed as an AT. So, yeah.

 

[ferioku]

At that time, it never came to my mind. I never thought of Isaac as being playable yet until recently this month. Now, I'm glad he wasn't shown as an AT and in a way, does increase his chances. And to those who think he might be a secret AT. Well, so was Shadow and a few others I believe and he was revealed as an AT. So, yeah.

But shadow was unlocked when you unlock sonic and sonic was unlocked...

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

At that time, it never came to my mind. I never thought of Isaac as being playable yet until recently this month. Now, I'm glad he wasn't shown as an AT and in a way, does increase his chances. And to those who think he might be a secret AT. Well, so was Shadow and a few others I believe and he was revealed as an AT. So, yeah.

No news is always good news, when it comes to Isaac.