Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[ferioku]

I'm getting really worried about Isaac... No hints for him being playable. The only thing that we can actually say helps him is that he hasn't gotten revealed as an Assist trophy, but the funny thing is neither has the advanced wars characters and they were both Hidden Assist trophies -_-. There are so many characters that have a great chance and possibly even a greater chance than him such as Ridley, a returning Mew Two or maybe even King K Rool or Shulk, but the only thing I can say about Isaac is, I don't know and I hope that he is in the game. It doesn't make it any better that Camelot have only been producing Mario Tennis and Golf games and barely produced any GS games and we have 4 weeks till the game is out in Japan... I really hope he is playable and Sakurai surprises us with at least 1 GS playable rep. Only time can tell I guess T_T.

 

[Turmalinium]

What do you think would happen if someone would throw the wrong elemental star in the wrong lighthouse?

 

[Aureola]

When I think of earth psynergy, I think of slow and hard hitting attacks, kinda like if Ike and Zelda merged their movesets together. It would definitely require a lot of strategy into executing his attacks while distancing yourself.

That's interesting. I can sort of see Sakarai do that, actually.

I'm getting really worried about Isaac... No hints for him being playable. The only thing that we can actually say helps him is that he hasn't gotten revealed as an Assist trophy, but the funny thing is neither has the advanced wars characters and they were both Hidden Assist trophies -_-. There are so many characters that have a great chance and possibly even a greater chance than him such as Ridley, a returning Mew Two or maybe even King K Rool or Shulk, but the only thing I can say about Isaac is, I don't know and I hope that he is in the game. It doesn't make it any better that Camelot have only been producing Mario Tennis and Golf games and barely produced any GS games and we have 4 weeks till the game is out in Japan... I really hope he is playable and Sakurai surprises us with at least 1 GS playable rep. Only time can tell I guess T_T.

Don't give up hope! We haven't seen any evidence for Ganondorf either, but I can't see him being cut.

 

[ferioku]

That's interesting. I can sort of see Sakarai do that, actually.

Don't give up hope! We haven't seen any evidence for Ganondorf either, but I can't see him being cut.

But, but Ganondorf is definitely going to make it to smash bros, the reinforce isn't complete without the reinforce of power!

 

[Mishudo]

I'm getting really worried about Isaac... No hints for him being playable. The only thing that we can actually say helps him is that he hasn't gotten revealed as an Assist trophy, but the funny thing is neither has the advanced wars characters and they were both Hidden Assist trophies -_-. There are so many characters that have a great chance and possibly even a greater chance than him such as Ridley, a returning Mew Two or maybe even King K Rool or Shulk, but the only thing I can say about Isaac is, I don't know and I hope that he is in the game. It doesn't make it any better that Camelot have only been producing Mario Tennis and Golf games and barely produced any GS games and we have 4 weeks till the game is out in Japan... I really hope he is playable and Sakurai surprises us with at least 1 GS playable rep. Only time can tell I guess T_T.

Well the reason we wouldn't get any hints is because it would all be too blatant that he's playable haha. Besides him or Matthew as an AT, if we got a stage, item, etc. I think it would be a dead give away about his playable status, unlike other series who can include items and stages without be suspicious if their characters are in or not.

 

[ferioku]

@ Mishudo True... Also another thing I really don't get is how Fire Emblem wasn't even noticed by anyone until smash brothers brought it to life, Golden Sun is quite popular but not as much as FE, If it was truly represented in this game, i'm 100% certain it will at least be as popular!

 

[Mishudo]

@ ferioku Brawl is the reason I got introduced to GS. Seeing a character summon a giant ass hand was enough for me to be interested

 

[Aureola]

What do you think would happen if someone would throw the wrong elemental star in the wrong lighthouse?

The apocalypse.

But, but Ganondorf is definitely going to make it to smash bros, the reinforce isn't complete without the reinforce of power!

I didn't say he was going to get cut. I really don't want him cut. I need my Link and Zelda and Sheik vs. Ganondorf matchup.

@ Mishudo True... Also another thing I really don't get is how Fire Emblem wasn't even noticed by anyone until smash brothers brought it to life, Golden Sun is quite popular but not as much as FE, If it was truly represented in this game, i'm 100% certain it will at least be as popular!

Fire Emblem Never came overseas before, though.

Also, any evidence could possibly be Sakurai trolling us.

 

[Baskerville]

Posting a couple of ideas I had back in the Characer Discussion Thread.

May not care about the character myself, but I'd love to see something like this as his Up Smash.

The longer you charge, the more pillars of rocks will appear (Up to 5), with the last hit doing the most knockback.

On Isaac, maybe for one of his specials he could have something like Hulk's Gamma Wave or Gamma Quake.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Those are some pretty good ideas. Those attacks would work well with a ground-controlling gameplay. Add in Quake and Move and you would have a zoner that could easily dominate the ground, similar to Little Mac, except wheras Little Mac uses his speed to get up-close and really let it loose, Isaac would use his speed to maneuver around the stage and assert his dominance on the ground.

ISAAC SMASH!

 

[ferioku]

The apocalypse.

I didn't say he was going to get cut. I really don't want him cut. I need my Link and Zelda and Sheik vs. Ganondorf matchup.

Fire Emblem Never came overseas before, though.

Also, any evidence could possibly be Sakurai trolling us.

I meant that we didn't get any Fire Emblem games till Smash brothers Melee, Sakurai has only trolled us about a few characters cut though, like the sable prince or w/e you call him and Takamaru. We still haven't seen Advanced Wars or Isaac. Though Isaac and Advanced Wars where "Special characters since they had their own music in the game... Maybe Isaac was thinking about adding them?

 

[LasermasterA]

What do you think would happen if someone would throw the wrong elemental star in the wrong lighthouse?

I meant that we didn't get any Fire Emblem games till Smash brothers Melee, Sakurai has only trolled us about a few characters cut though, like the sable prince or w/e you call him and Takamaru. We still haven't seen Advanced Wars or Isaac. Though Isaac and Advanced Wars where "Special characters since they had their own music in the game... Maybe Isaac was thinking about adding them?

Well Fire Emblem when Golden Sun was at its peak, was not very very much popular than GS when GS came out as Golden Sun sold a lot, above a million around the ballpark line where Fire Emblem games lie. Although it was an established series whereas GS was new.

I don't know where I read this, but Isaac could have been added to Melee or Brawl (don't know which) but was not due to time issues or something. He was essentially cut according to this "rumour" and relegated to an assist trophy albeit a special one, and one that is considered to be an extremely powerful AT.

Don't know how true this is, but Isaac needs to be definitely added this time!

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I don't know where I read this, but Isaac could have been added to Melee or Brawl (don't know which) but was not due to time issues or something. He was essentially cut according to this "rumour" and relegated to an assist trophy albeit a special one, and one that is considered to be an extremely powerful AT.

I'm not sure where you heard that rumour. I never heard it and I doubt that that is actually the case.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Well Fire Emblem when Golden Sun was at its peak, was not very very much popular than GS when GS came out as Golden Sun sold a lot, above a million around the ballpark line where Fire Emblem games lie. Although it was an established series whereas GS was new.

I don't know where I read this, but Isaac could have been added to Melee or Brawl (don't know which) but was not due to time issues or something. He was essentially cut according to this "rumour" and relegated to an assist trophy albeit a special one, and one that is considered to be an extremely powerful AT.

Don't know how true this is, but Isaac needs to be definitely added this time!

I'd be shocked if Sakurai didn't CONSIDER adding Isaac, although I highly doubt he "cut" Isaac rather than realizing that he just didn't have enough time to add Isaac as a newcomer. This time around there's no doubt in my mind he would've considered Isaac again. Now whether he chose to add Isaac or not is the question, but I'd say most likely he realized Isaac's potential at least.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I'd be shocked if Sakurai didn't CONSIDER adding Isaac, although I highly doubt he "cut" Isaac rather than realizing that he just didn't have enough time to add Isaac as a newcomer. This time around there's no doubt in my mind he would've considered Isaac again. Now whether he chose to add Isaac or not is the question, but I'd say most likely he realized Isaac's potential at least.

Hmm... I hope so. We have little indication of what Sakurai truly thinks of Isaac hypothetically being in Smash 4. He thought he served well as an AT in Brawl. I wonder if he thinks he would serve well as playable? I hope he does.

 

[LasermasterA]

I'm not sure where you heard that rumour. I never heard it and I doubt that that is actually the case.

Yea I don't remember either that is why I added huge disclaimers to my post. But it is still entirely possible that he was considered but not added. Although I still don't understand who would skip Isaac after completely considering his character from background, to pros + cons, diverse moveset and finally the series that he brings to representation in Smash! After complete consideration, even detractors of the series have to agree that Isaac is a potentially awesome character.

Nintendo has to realize the potential of Isaac and Golden Sun. It is repeating its mistake of sitting on a gold mine while looking for other gold mines that have already been mined a lot. This series deserves more representation and popularity!

So does the main character. One of the most powerful assist trophies in Brawl has to upgrade to one of the best Smash characters :D

Isaac for Smash 4!

 

[shinhed-echi]

I don't think that once Isaac is included, a 2nd Golden Sun character is that far out of the question.

There's a certain charm about characters that have 3 games going in the franchise.

Kid Icarus: 3 games, 2 characters.
Mother: 3 games, 2 characters.
Pokemon (back in SSB): 3 games (Red, Blue/green,Yellow), 2 characters.
Golden Sun: 3 games, :O

 

[JaidynReiman]

Well, as far as Golden Sun is concerned, don't expect a 2nd GS character in this game. In the next game if we get GS4 and Isaac was added to this game, I'd say a second GS rep is all but guaranteed.

 

[ferioku]

Well Fire Emblem when Golden Sun was at its peak, was not very very much popular than GS when GS came out as Golden Sun sold a lot, above a million around the ballpark line where Fire Emblem games lie. Although it was an established series whereas GS was new.

I don't know where I read this, but Isaac could have been added to Melee or Brawl (don't know which) but was not due to time issues or something. He was essentially cut according to this "rumour" and relegated to an assist trophy albeit a special one, and one that is considered to be an extremely powerful AT.

Don't know how true this is, but Isaac needs to be definitely added this time!

Hopefully that's true, Id go crazy if he was confirmed as the next character!

 

[Altais]

I'd be shocked if Sakurai didn't CONSIDER adding Isaac, although I highly doubt he "cut" Isaac rather than realizing that he just didn't have enough time to add Isaac as a newcomer. This time around there's no doubt in my mind he would've considered Isaac again. Now whether he chose to add Isaac or not is the question, but I'd say most likely he realized Isaac's potential at least.

Same here. During the making of Brawl, I honestly believe Sakurai did at least think about adding Isaac as playable, but in the end did not, or could not, add him for some reason. He's even said himself that some Assist Trophies were characters that "did not quite make it as playable". Kind of how Villager was originally planned for Brawl, but ultimately axed.

[Shrugs] At any rate, we will know everything soon enough. Just four more weeks.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Same here. During the making of Brawl, I honestly believe Sakurai did at least think about adding Isaac as playable, but in the end did not, or could not, add him for some reason. He's even said himself that some Assist Trophies were characters that "did not quite make it as playable". Kind of how Villager was originally planned for Brawl, but ultimately axed.

[Shrugs] At any rate, we will know everything soon enough. Just four more weeks.

I think you need to rethink your words. Its the same as people who suggest Chrom was "planned" for this game. Villager was never planned, and neither was Chrom. They were "considered" but Sakurai shrugged them off because he couldn't figure out how to make Villager feel right and couldn't see how Chrom would be that different from Ike or Marth. Isaac likely had a bit more consideration to him but someone else was chosen over him.

 

[candyissweet]

There are so many characters that have a great chance and possibly even a greater chance than him such as Ridley,

Lolwut ridley has no chance.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I'm getting really worried about Isaac... No hints for him being playable. The only thing that we can actually say helps him is that he hasn't gotten revealed as an Assist trophy, but the funny thing is neither has the advanced wars characters and they were both Hidden Assist trophies -_-. There are so many characters that have a great chance and possibly even a greater chance than him such as Ridley, a returning Mew Two or maybe even King K Rool or Shulk, but the only thing I can say about Isaac is, I don't know and I hope that he is in the game. It doesn't make it any better that Camelot have only been producing Mario Tennis and Golf games and barely produced any GS games and we have 4 weeks till the game is out in Japan... I really hope he is playable and Sakurai surprises us with at least 1 GS playable rep. Only time can tell I guess T_T.

The way I've been thinking about it is that Golden Sun is one of the few Nintendo franchises which has remained a portable exclusive. I'd say it's definitely the most notable and biggest franchise to hold this distinction.

If Sakurai wants a playable character with purely portable origins, Isaac is perfect......and as luck would have it we have a portable Smash Bros on the way! It's nowhere near concrete but it's something worth considering.

(I don't really count Advance Wars because of Famicom Wars)

 

[JaidynReiman]

The way I've been thinking about it is that Golden Sun is one of the few Nintendo franchises which has remained a portable exclusive. I'd say it's definitely the most notable and biggest franchise to hold this distinction.

If Sakurai wants a playable character with purely portable origins, Isaac is perfect......and as luck would have it we have a portable Smash Bros on the way! It's nowhere near concrete but it's something worth considering.

(I don't really count Advance Wars because of Famicom Wars)

Advance Wars has been on both Famicon and Super Famicon, so yeah... its definitely not portable exclusive. Fire Emblem is almost completely portable exclusive in the west as well, they just happened to release two games on consoles in between.

 

[Deathcarter]

I'm getting really worried about Isaac... No hints for him being playable. The only thing that we can actually say helps him is that he hasn't gotten revealed as an Assist trophy, but the funny thing is neither has the advanced wars characters and they were both Hidden Assist trophies -_-. There are so many characters that have a great chance and possibly even a greater chance than him such as Ridley, a returning Mew Two or maybe even King K Rool or Shulk, but the only thing I can say about Isaac is, I don't know and I hope that he is in the game. It doesn't make it any better that Camelot have only been producing Mario Tennis and Golf games and barely produced any GS games and we have 4 weeks till the game is out in Japan... I really hope he is playable and Sakurai surprises us with at least 1 GS playable rep. Only time can tell I guess T_T.

This is one of the reasons I'm hoping we get at least two more newcomer reveals, preferably a villain trailer. Big names like Ridley, Dixie Kong, and K. Rool being revealed before release would hugely improve Issac's chances of scoring a secret newcomer spot (assuming we get 4 like in Brawl and 64).

 

[Skyblade12]

This is one of the reasons I'm hoping we get at least two more newcomer reveals, preferably a villain trailer. Big names like Ridley, Dixie Kong, and K. Rool being revealed before release would hugely improve Issac's chances of scoring a secret newcomer spot (assuming we get 4 like in Brawl and 64).

I'm guessing we'll get one reveal in a standard Nintendo Direct next week (we're due for a Direct anyway), then a final reveal in a Smash Bros. direct ten days before release (as we got with Hyrule Warriors) that will house another reveal. It seems the best way to get too more newcomer vids out.

I'm just hoping we get Isaac in the coming week.

 

[LasermasterA]

The way I've been thinking about it is that Golden Sun is one of the few Nintendo franchises which has remained a portable exclusive. I'd say it's definitely the most notable and biggest franchise to hold this distinction.

If Sakurai wants a playable character with purely portable origins, Isaac is perfect......and as luck would have it we have a portable Smash Bros on the way! It's nowhere near concrete but it's something worth considering.

(I don't really count Advance Wars because of Famicom Wars)

Yup Golden Sun used to be a big thing on the GBA handheld till Camelot took too long to release a sequel and when it did, it was relatively disappointing. I would love to see a console Golden Sun though. That would be amazing!

But most of all, I just want Isaac in Smash and him having a starring role in the next GS game, most likely on 3DS. Just hope that if Camelot launches a Golden Sun game on 3DS, it launches it before the 3DS is phased out for the next console. Dark Dawn came too close to the end of the DS' lifespan.

Just give me a character reveal for Isaac already!

 

[Skyblade12]

Yup Golden Sun used to be a big thing on the GBA handheld till Camelot took too long to release a sequel and when it did, it was relatively disappointing. I would love to see a console Golden Sun though. That would be amazing!

But most of all, I just want Isaac in Smash and him having a starring role in the next GS game, most likely on 3DS. Just hope that if Camelot launches a Golden Sun game on 3DS, it launches it before the 3DS is phased out for the next console. Dark Dawn came too close to the end of the DS' lifespan.

Just give me a character reveal for Isaac already!

I'd take a Wii U Golden Sun, mostly because I could play on the Game Pad. I'm really just a much bigger fan of handhelds these days.

I think our biggest hope for Isaac is the Assist Trophy. I mean, we know that Sakurai didn't pick them willy-nilly. We know he thought about the characters hard. When going back to make a new Smash Bros. game, he has to look at them all again, right? I mean, he pulled one for promotion, surely he'd at least look at the others.

Of all the Assist Trophies in Brawl, what is unique about Isaac? He has a defined play style. So many of the Assist Trophies can't really do anything else. I mean, how would Excitebike work as a fighter? What would Andross do? Or Hammer Brothers? But Isaac has moveset potential. It's frelling obvious. Far more so than any other Assist Trophy. Definitely more so than Little Mac (though he does admittedly have less demand). If Sakurai did look back on the Assist Trophies, Isaac's moveset potential must simply be screaming for a full character.

Right?

 

[LasermasterA]

I'd take a Wii U Golden Sun, mostly because I could play on the Game Pad. I'm really just a much bigger fan of handhelds these days.

I think our biggest hope for Isaac is the Assist Trophy. I mean, we know that Sakurai didn't pick them willy-nilly. We know he thought about the characters hard. When going back to make a new Smash Bros. game, he has to look at them all again, right? I mean, he pulled one for promotion, surely he'd at least look at the others.

Of all the Assist Trophies in Brawl, what is unique about Isaac? He has a defined play style. So many of the Assist Trophies can't really do anything else. I mean, how would Excitebike work as a fighter? What would Andross do? Or Hammer Brothers? But Isaac has moveset potential. It's frelling obvious. Far more so than any other Assist Trophy. Definitely more so than Little Mac (though he does admittedly have less demand). If Sakurai did look back on the Assist Trophies, Isaac's moveset potential must simply be screaming for a full character.

Right?

Exactly. Considering they have to go through the assist trophies again to see who should be included again and to see which one was included earlier, they must have seen Isaac. And he tons of potential, more than other trophy. His assist trophy move is also one of the most unique is that it can't be guarded against as it does not damage you but pushes you off the stage.

Just like Little Mac, Isaac needs to be upgraded into a fully playable character with his own diverse moveset. His psynergy/sword combo will be even more impressive than Robin's magic/sword combo!

Sorry FE, but I like Golden Sun more.

 

[ShinyRegice]

I'd take a Wii U Golden Sun, mostly because I could play on the Game Pad. I'm really just a much bigger fan of handhelds these days.

I think our biggest hope for Isaac is the Assist Trophy. I mean, we know that Sakurai didn't pick them willy-nilly. We know he thought about the characters hard. When going back to make a new Smash Bros. game, he has to look at them all again, right? I mean, he pulled one for promotion, surely he'd at least look at the others.

Of all the Assist Trophies in Brawl, what is unique about Isaac? He has a defined play style. So many of the Assist Trophies can't really do anything else. I mean, how would Excitebike work as a fighter? What would Andross do? Or Hammer Brothers? But Isaac has moveset potential. It's frelling obvious. Far more so than any other Assist Trophy. Definitely more so than Little Mac (though he does admittedly have less demand). If Sakurai did look back on the Assist Trophies, Isaac's moveset potential must simply be screaming for a full character.

Right?

Yes, plus Isaac's promotion to a playable character is the only actual promotion he could get. Other characters in high demand like King K. Rool, Bowser Jr, Chibi-Robo or Shulk would maybe become Assist Trophy summons if Sakurai ended up to not include them in the playable roster for one reason or another; obviously their supporters would be upset to not being able to play as them, but it's still a sort of promotion compared to Brawl when they don't appear in battle at all, we already had this situation with Takamaru. But if Isaac is an Assist Trophy again and we don't have another Golden Sun playable rep to compensate that would mean that Masahiro Sakurai feels that Golden Sun deserves no promotion, and that would be really sad (and lol I don't consider an hypothetical transition from unlockable to starter Assist Trophy as a promotion).

In my opinion the only real obstacle Isaac is facing is the lack of Golden Sun content SSB4. I mean, every single newcomer (with the obvious exception of the first three announced) had content from their game teased to be featured in Smash 4: Rosalina had the Mario Galaxy stage, Little Mac had the boxig ring revealed in the very first trailer, Greninja had the Xerneas pic revealed a few day after Pokémon X and Y release, Palutena had A LOT of KI:U content, Mii Fighters had the Find Mii stage, Robin and Lucina had the Arena Ferox stage that was revealed in the very first trailer like the Boxing Ring, plus the Id (Purpose) music revealed in the demo that directly hinted at Robin. The only exception is Pac-Man, but even then we had the S-Flag and Boss Galaga that come from Namco games, so Pac-Man was still hinted at before his reveal, just more indirectly. But at the same time Shulk is one of the most expected newcomers due to a lot of teasing on Twitter and the fact that Shulk's voice actor will probably voice him in Smash 4, but still we don't have any Xenoblade content revealed for Smash 4. Maybe both Isaac and Shulk are going to be secret characters with no pre-launch trailer.

Isaac's situation is so similar to Little Mac's that's not even funny. Both were popular Assist Trophies from Brawl, both represent a specific part of Nintendo's story in their origins (the arcade games for Little Mac, and the Game Boy Advance for Isaac) probably better than anyone else, both got a game a few year after Brawl, and both get high demand but mostly outside of Japan. The only difference is that Little Mac was hinted at very early with the boxing ring to be revealed not very late, being only the fifth officially revealed newcomer when this game will have roughly 15 newcomers. While we have no Golden Sun content teased for SSB4 as of now the release of BOTH Golden Sun games from GBA for the Wii U virtual console definitely helps Isaac's cause and is a strong counterargument against "Golden Sun isn't relevant anymore", because if you think that a series isn't relevant you don't re-release all of its game from its original system for the Virtual Console, especially during the pre-SSB4 period though Golden Sun 2 needs to be released for the Virtual Console outside of Japan to make this argument really strong.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

In my opinion the only real obstacle Isaac is facing is the lack of Golden Sun content SSB4. I mean, every single newcomer (with the obvious exception of the first three announced) had content from their game teased to be featured in Smash 4: Rosalina had the Mario Galaxy stage, Little Mac had the boxig ring revealed in the very first trailer, Greninja had the Xerneas pic revealed a few day after Pokémon X and Y release, Palutena had A LOT of KI:U content, Mii Fighters had the Find Mii stage, Robin and Lucina had the Arena Ferox stage that was revealed in the very first trailer like the Boxing Ring, plus the Id (Purpose) music revealed in the demo that directly hinted at Robin. The only exception is Pac-Man, but even then we had the S-Flag and Boss Galaga that come from Namco games, so Pac-Man was still hinted at before his reveal, just more indirectly. But at the same time Shulk is one of the most expected newcomers due to a lot of teasing on Twitter and the fact that Shulk's voice actor will probably voice him in Smash 4, but still we don't have any Xenoblade content revealed for Smash 4. Maybe both Isaac and Shulk are going to be secret characters with no pre-launch trailer.

The thing is, the Mario and Pokemon series (and other existing series) can get promotion without arousing much suspicion. None of those things you mentioned strictly pointed to someone being playable. If Rosalina hadn't been playable we would surely have still gotten a Mario Galaxy stage.....and Xerneas would have likely appeared regardless of Greninja's status.

Whereas he couldn't just start casually showing us a Golden Sun content without the cat being out of the bag almost instantly. He'd have to cover it up again. I think it's a lot easier to convince people there's going to be a blank boxing ring stage in your fighting game than a blank lighthouse stage.

Sakurai: Look here, it's the Smash Bros Lighthouse. You can see it's not related to any franchise because of the large smash bros logo on the front! Nope, nothing unusual here!

 

[T-Hell]

Hey guys, add me to the Isaac support. I've never played a GS game, but I would more than appreciate his unique ass in the game, especially for a friend of mine who wants him a lot.
Also, I think he is in the Top 5 most requested characters maybe?

 

[ferioku]

The way I've been thinking about it is that Golden Sun is one of the few Nintendo franchises which has remained a portable exclusive. I'd say it's definitely the most notable and biggest franchise to hold this distinction.

If Sakurai wants a playable character with purely portable origins, Isaac is perfect......and as luck would have it we have a portable Smash Bros on the way! It's nowhere near concrete but it's something worth considering.

(I don't really count Advance Wars because of Famicom Wars)

Guess you're right!

 

[LasermasterA]

The thing is, the Mario and Pokemon series (and other existing series) can get promotion without arousing much suspicion. None of those things you mentioned strictly pointed to someone being playable. If Rosalina hadn't been playable we would surely have still gotten a Mario Galaxy stage.....and Xerneas would have likely appeared regardless of Greninja's status.

Whereas he couldn't just start casually showing us a Golden Sun content without the cat being out of the bag almost instantly. He'd have to cover it up again. I think it's a lot easier to convince people there's going to be a blank boxing ring stage in your fighting game than a blank lighthouse stage.

Sakurai: Look here, it's the Smash Bros Lighthouse. You can see it's not related to any franchise because of the large smash bros logo on the front! Nope, nothing unusual here!

Yea I agree. We can see that Golden Sun is still an important series for Nintendo as it has released both the Golden Sun games for the Wii U Virtual Console whereas many other games have still not launched. It shows that series is atleast still remembered to Nintendo and may or may not have been a hint at Isaac's inclusion.

Nintendo can't reveal any smash run enemies, items, stages or bosses from Golden Sun without letting the metaphoric cat out of the bag. Thus we can still hope that Isaac is included and his related items have not been revealed, kept behind wraps for a time after his reveal.

Yea, usually he is in the top 5 or 6 characters for the game. A character who is a good representation as he is a Nintendo character and was the main character of the top game of the GBA. Golden Sun was better received by critics and sold more than the 2nd game which was still awesome. The main character of this RPG needs to be included!

 

[Skyblade12]

The thing is, the Mario and Pokemon series (and other existing series) can get promotion without arousing much suspicion. None of those things you mentioned strictly pointed to someone being playable. If Rosalina hadn't been playable we would surely have still gotten a Mario Galaxy stage.....and Xerneas would have likely appeared regardless of Greninja's status.

Whereas he couldn't just start casually showing us a Golden Sun content without the cat being out of the bag almost instantly. He'd have to cover it up again. I think it's a lot easier to convince people there's going to be a blank boxing ring stage in your fighting game than a blank lighthouse stage.

Sakurai: Look here, it's the Smash Bros Lighthouse. You can see it's not related to any franchise because of the large smash bros logo on the front! Nope, nothing unusual here!

Take the Sol Sanctum stage we'd discussed earlier, replace the Sun logo with a Smash logo, and call it the Smash Ruins.

Then hope nobody notices the familiar statues, especially if they start emitting beams of light that highlight the logo.

It would totally work. >.>

 

[Leafeon523]

I just realized something rather unsettleing. Except for the Villager (which technically does not count) we haven't gotten a single rep from the gba/gamecube era yet! How do you think that affects Isaac's chances?

 

[LasermasterA]

I just realized something rather unsettleing. Except for the Villager (which technically does not count) we haven't gotten a single rep from the gba/gamecube era yet! How do you think that affects Isaac's chances?

Hmm. Not exactly negatively. Although this is not exactly positive news, it could also mean that more GBA characters are on the cards to be represented. They might not have been shown yet as GBA is a generation in the middle, not new enough for new fans to know about and not old enough to be remembered as Retro by people who played those games a long time ago.

As long as he is not dis-confirmed, he still has chances till the game comes out. Especially that people have been rooting for him for so long. Like us.

I want to see Isaac in Smash 4 so let's keep looking ahead!

 

[CardStealer1]

I've been stalking this thread for a few weeks and I would like to be added to the support list!

 

[LasermasterA]

I've been stalking this thread for a few weeks and I would like to be added to the support list!

Yay! Welcome to the thread!

I was also lurking on this forum for 2-3 days before I decided to join the discussion. Too bad didn't find this a few years earlier, otherwise would have joined it earlier!

Let's all root for Isaac in Smash!

 

[ferioku]

I just realized something rather unsettleing. Except for the Villager (which technically does not count) we haven't gotten a single rep from the gba/gamecube era yet! How do you think that affects Isaac's chances?

We have Olimar and Pikmin, thats a Gamecube era rep, we just haven't gotten any characters from the GBA era. It would be wonderful adding Isaac