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PaintedGhost

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I found this in one guy's sig, and I was just wondering if its true.

"you know the E for all demo had Crouch Canceling, Fast Falling to L-cancel moves, Dash Dancing, more hit stun, among other things that gimpyfish and dsf told me, but they decided to take it all away. Sakurai WENT OUT OF HIS WAY to make it not competitive, regardless of if melee being competitive was an accident or not, THE END RESULT is that brawl is way less skillbased of a fighter than melee is."

Thanks in advance.
 

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Yes, I think it is ture.

I think I read somewhere that Sakurai wanted Smash to be more fun than competitive. I think that's why the characters are more balanced than in Melee. But regardless, people will find their own advanced techniques and try their hardest to create a competitive scene for Brawl.
 

SirKibble

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It's probably ture.

Sakurai does what he can to make Smash appeal to casual gamers. I doubt it's that he hates the competitive scene, he just doesn't like that that scene can create an air about the game that you have to be extremely skilled to play it. That's just how the guy works, like it or not.

Tures don exits.
 

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Sakurai wanted the game to be more fun for more people, instead of the handful of competition players.

Plus, I imagine he was rather annoyed that his last game was glitch-***** beyond recognition. Artists tend to prefer to keep their work as they originally intended it. This would explain why he went out of his way to remove glitches and unintentional maneuvers like the wavedash and dash-dancing, respectfully.
 

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Gimpy had no idea what he was talking about, and neither did anyone else. One example of this how he said Ike was too slow to use, except with a ridiculous amount of bashing. Also the "ink drop" which wasn't even a tactic, it was people misunderstanding the mechanics of tripping. It's still based a lot on skill, there's more Q's on smashboards than there is blue in the sky.
 

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Sakurai wanted the game to be more fun for more people, instead of the handful of competition players.

Plus, I imagine he was rather annoyed that his last game was glitch-***** beyond recognition. Artists tend to prefer to keep their work as they originally intended it. This would explain why he went out of his way to remove glitches and unintentional maneuvers like the wavedash and dash-dancing, respectfully.
He intended that to be in there. There were at least 4 different versions of melee, each one keeping it in. He made the mechanics liek that since SOMETHING has to happen when you air dodge while hitting the ground, and that was it.

Things like flame canceling were taken out, wave dash was supposed to be there.
 

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Brawl isn't more balanced than melee and fun games dont have to be casual. ;P
brawl is more balanced than melee. just because your favorite character from melee isn't broken anymore or has been nerfed doesn't make brawl less balanced than melee. there are less broken characters than there were in melee (e.i, meta knight and snake). its more balanced, but less competitive. shouldve kept l-cancel and meteor cancel. screw wavedashing. plus tripping sucks!
 

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from what I hear, the E for All Demo did indeed include L-Cancelling as well as other AT's but dumb Sakurai wanted to make it fun for cusual players so he took it out why was a REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad decision.
 

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The cake is a lie.
No it isn't. I found it. GladOs 4 sm4sh bros!

Back on topic.
Yes I believe that is true. I'm also saddened by the fact that Brawl will never be as competitive as Melee. I miss you dash dance. :(
 

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Well, maybe with a lack of ATs, there won't be anymore ture wars.
 

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Gimpy had no idea what he was talking about, and neither did anyone else. One example of this how he said Ike was too slow to use, except with a ridiculous amount of bashing. Also the "ink drop" which wasn't even a tactic, it was people misunderstanding the mechanics of tripping. It's still based a lot on skill, there's more Q's on smashboards than there is blue in the sky.
HA! I remember that! Thinking back on "ink dropping", I realize how stupid people can be when trying to turn everything into an AT. Hey! I just discovered an ability to turn around and face the other direction! I think I'll call it "Wolf Turning"!

Anyway, I heard a lot of things about E for All and Whobby's Brawl demos, including AT (Assist Trophies) that were in (Rosalina), Pokéball Pokémon (Regigigas), and alternate colors (Shiny Charizard) that were supposedly in the demo. I've seen almost every online video of the demos and never saw any of these things. And really, most of these demo videos are still on Youtube. The game demos seems exactly like the finished product; I don't see any change in speed or L-Cancelling. It just looks like Brawl with less characters and stages. So I've just accepted that whatever differences were in the demo are only truly known to those who played the demo.
 

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Thats saaadddddd.
We should get a copy of the demo and just make more copies. >_>
 

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Plus, I imagine he was rather annoyed that his last game was glitch-***** beyond recognition.
yea cuz there aren't any glitches in brawl right? it's morons like you that give the brawl boards a crappy name. i can count the "glitches" from melee with my fingers. brawl has been out for what 4 months and it already has more competitive "glitches" than melee.

edit: oh yea, DASH DANCING IS IN BRAWL YOU MORON. and saying that dash dancing is a glitch is just beyond stupid. it delves into a whole other world of idiocy that i cant even begin to understand. i guess shffl is a glitch too huh?
 

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yea cuz there aren't any glitches in brawl right? it's morons like you that give the brawl boards a crappy name. i can count the "glitches" from melee with my fingers. brawl has been out for what 4 months and it already has more competitive "glitches" than melee.

edit: oh yea, DASH DANCING IS IN BRAWL YOU MORON. and saying that dash dancing is a glitch is just beyond stupid. it delves into a whole other world of idiocy that i cant even begin to understand. i guess shffl is a glitch too huh?

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Why are you so angry?
 

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yea cuz there aren't any glitches in brawl right? it's morons like you that give the brawl boards a crappy name. i can count the "glitches" from melee with my fingers. brawl has been out for what 4 months and it already has more competitive "glitches" than melee.

edit: oh yea, DASH DANCING IS IN BRAWL YOU MORON. and saying that dash dancing is a glitch is just beyond stupid. it delves into a whole other world of idiocy that i cant even begin to understand. i guess shffl is a glitch too huh?
Exactly. Not every AT have to be a glitch. An AT cand be a simple button sequence that results in less lag, fast falling, whatever. AT does not always equal glitch.
 

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@ Neon Ness:

dunno, i just got pissy when i read that post. not pissed anymore, but im not taking away the post cuz that dude is dumb. im normally pretty nice, but noobs bashing melee for being "glitchy" when brawl is already more "glitchy" than melee really pisses me off. plus i just got back from the gym so i had a bunch of testasterone flowing.
 

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@ Neon Ness:

dunno, i just got pissy when i read that post. not pissed anymore, but im not taking away the post cuz that dude is dumb. im normally pretty nice, but noobs bashing melee for being "glitchy" when brawl is already more "glitchy" than melee really pisses me off. plus i just got back from the gym so i had a bunch of testasterone flowing.
Talking crap about Melee makes most of us mad bud, its okay.
 

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@ Neon Ness:

dunno, i just got pissy when i read that post. not pissed anymore, but im not taking away the post cuz that dude is dumb. im normally pretty nice, but noobs bashing melee for being "glitchy" when brawl is already more "glitchy" than melee really pisses me off. plus i just got back from the gym so i had a bunch of testasterone flowing.
true brawl has more glitches, but is not as useful as wavedashing (which i'm glad its out) in melee. l-cancel and meteor cancel should have stayed.
 

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Sakurai wanted the game to be more fun for more people, instead of the handful of competition players.

Plus, I imagine he was rather annoyed that his last game was glitch-***** beyond recognition. Artists tend to prefer to keep their work as they originally intended it. This would explain why he went out of his way to remove glitches and unintentional maneuvers like the wavedash and dash-dancing, respectfully.
OH MY ****ING GOD! Wave dashing and Dash Dancing are not ****ING GLITCHES! Get it straight. if youre talking about this stuff then get it right! Dont just guess!

Yes sakurai wanted the game to appeal to everyone, he wanted everyone to able to pick it up and play it., and he achieved that goal with excellence.
 

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Truthfully, I love Melee, yet, I couldn't wavedash for the life of me, thus, I had no hope of playing competitively. Now in Brawl, I have a chance because I don't have to juggle so many button presses in my head, with how I'm gonna move around and attack at the same time.

I love Melee and Brawl <3
 

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I like Melee more simply because I can combo, and move fast. Pulling off combos against other good players moving really fast is way better than what Brawl has to offer. Which is why I like Melee more.
I also like every thing in Melee more than Brawl (1-player mode, staduim, etc.)
Only thing Brawl does better than Melee is Music and Graphics, that's all.

This is all my opinion and I'm not speaking for everyone else, so n00bs calm down.
 

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brawl is more balanced than melee. just because your favorite character from melee isn't broken anymore or has been nerfed doesn't make brawl less balanced than melee. there are less broken characters than there were in melee (e.i, meta knight and snake). its more balanced, but less competitive. shouldve kept l-cancel and meteor cancel. screw wavedashing. plus tripping sucks!
More balanced? The last time I saw captain falcon beat snake in a tournament was....

The last time I saw yoshi beat sheik was with eggm... thars your balance.
 

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Hey ChromePirate, when was the last time a Bowser, Pichu or Kirby won a major tournament in Melee? =O

Note that I'm not trying to say that Brawl is more balanced. Just that...y'know, bottom tier characters are bottom tier.
 

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What the heck??? :psycho:
It is something from portal don't worry about it.

from what I hear, the E for All Demo did indeed include L-Cancelling as well as other AT's but dumb Sakurai wanted to make it fun for cusual players so he took it out why was a REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad decision.
Not necessarily. It probably had something to do with marketing to a more casual audience like they are doing with the wii.
 

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First, I never said that Brawl DIDN'T have glitches. Sure, it has LOADS of glitches. I simply said it hadn't been glitch-*****. That is, people exploiting programming errors to totally alter the style of play into something it never should have been.

Dash dancing is still here, yes...it's just unreliable to use now, because TRIPPING can activate on you out of nowhere. Nobody said that tripping was an EFFECTIVE counter against dash dancing...but that's why it's there.

Then again, perhaps "glitch" is the wrong word...both dash-dancing and wavedashing are simply flaws in the programming that the creators failed to catch, and surely would have been removed had they realized how they would've been abused...oh, wait. That IS a glitch. And they DID remove, or try to remedy, both of those. Just because it's useful doesn't mean it's not a glitch.

Melee elitists are so amusing...I've never seen anyone so protective of a player-invented locomotive technique before. I knocked wavedashing, not you. You would do well not to needlessly insult others' intelligence when they made no personal attack on you at all. If you want to argue my point, argue. Argue all you want. But your immaturity and name-calling are typical of the flame wars that ruin many potentially enlightening threads, and they don't do credit to you or the point you wish to make. A spoonful of honey draws more flies than a gallon of vinegar; if you want to make your opinion known, being an elitist jerk is not the best way to go about it.
 

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First, I never said that Brawl DIDN'T have glitches. Sure, it has LOADS of glitches. I simply said it hadn't been glitch-*****. That is, people exploiting programming errors to totally alter the style of play into something it never should have been.

Dash dancing is still here, yes...it's just unreliable to use now, because TRIPPING can activate on you out of nowhere. Nobody said that tripping was an EFFECTIVE counter against dash dancing...but that's why it's there.

Then again, perhaps "glitch" is the wrong word...both dash-dancing and wavedashing are simply flaws in the programming that the creators failed to catch, and surely would have been removed had they realized how they would've been abused...oh, wait. That IS a glitch. And they DID remove, or try to remedy, both of those. Just because it's useful doesn't mean it's not a glitch.

Melee elitists are so amusing...I've never seen anyone so protective of a player-invented locomotive technique before. I knocked wavedashing, not you. You would do well not to needlessly insult others' intelligence when they made no personal attack on you at all. If you want to argue my point, argue. Argue all you want. But your immaturity and name-calling are typical of the flame wars that ruin many potentially enlightening threads, and they don't do credit to you or the point you wish to make. A spoonful of honey draws more flies than a gallon of vinegar; if you want to make your opinion known, being an elitist jerk is not the best way to go about it.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

dude i just wrote this really thoughtful response to your post. i was all like, "sorry dude, i didnt mean to snap at you, but ive run into too many ******* on these boards that wouldnt understand a logical argument. and i all thought you were one of those noob babies, but obviously i was wrong... etc."

and then, BLAM, my stupid internet resets and logs me out and i lose this 4 paragraph response that was really good.

basically i disagree with you that brawl doesnt have any game changing glitches. snake's boost smash is absurdly abused and completely changed the way snake was played the second people figured out how to do it. consequently he now resides in olympus with his right hand man metaknight in the god tier.

"check me out, im snake, i can slide halfway across a level whilest charging a usmash. hey metaknight, i'll let you win this next tourney, but i'm taking the next two after that... what's that? you want to alternate tourney wins... that just makes me so..." *utilts metaknight back to high tier* (does all of this while having a sick beard)

that's my impression of snake, i think it's pretty accurate.

i know that snake's boost smash is not as groundbreaking as wavedashing, but darnit, it's still a rampant abuse of brawl's physics engine. i just want some consistency from people. if your gonna hate on melee cuz of abuses, please dont try and avoid talking about brawl's abuses, because they are just as prevalent as melee's. if not, more so.
 

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Hey ChromePirate, when was the last time a Bowser, Pichu or Kirby won a major tournament in Melee? =O

Note that I'm not trying to say that Brawl is more balanced. Just that...y'know, bottom tier characters are bottom tier.
KoreanDJ beat quite a few people using pichu in melee, Gimpyfish always did well with bowser and Taj did really well with mewtwo, there'ss your balance, it wasn't impossible to win with a lower tiered character just harder, give me an example of someone whose won a tournament with Link in brawl
 
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I was there at E For All. Every day testing out new things with the players. And yes, it is true.

The demo included all of those concepts, but the game was delayed so that they would be removed. tripping also didn't happen as often. Very rarely.

It's a shame really.
 

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First, I never said that Brawl DIDN'T have glitches. Sure, it has LOADS of glitches. I simply said it hadn't been glitch-*****. That is, people exploiting programming errors to totally alter the style of play into something it never should have been.

Dash dancing is still here, yes...it's just unreliable to use now, because TRIPPING can activate on you out of nowhere. Nobody said that tripping was an EFFECTIVE counter against dash dancing...but that's why it's there.

Then again, perhaps "glitch" is the wrong word...both dash-dancing and wavedashing are simply flaws in the programming that the creators failed to catch, and surely would have been removed had they realized how they would've been abused...oh, wait. That IS a glitch. And they DID remove, or try to remedy, both of those. Just because it's useful doesn't mean it's not a glitch.

Melee elitists are so amusing...I've never seen anyone so protective of a player-invented locomotive technique before. I knocked wavedashing, not you. You would do well not to needlessly insult others' intelligence when they made no personal attack on you at all. If you want to argue my point, argue. Argue all you want. But your immaturity and name-calling are typical of the flame wars that ruin many potentially enlightening threads, and they don't do credit to you or the point you wish to make. A spoonful of honey draws more flies than a gallon of vinegar; if you want to make your opinion known, being an elitist jerk is not the best way to go about it.
You do know that different versions of Melee was released and part of that reason was to take out glitches and flaws? Wavedashing is still in all of these versions, even though Nintendo knew about wavedashing it still wasn't removed. I guess the creators of the game didn't think it was a glitch/flaw.
 

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True that he removed stuff intentionally that was in Melee (wavedashing queston in Nintendo Power interview). Untrue that there was L-canceling at EforAll, among other tactics.
 
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