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Inferno's Decarde, The Bowser Video & Critique Thread

Vex Kasrani

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For my part, I consider any opponent bad if he gets hit by forward smashes :p Well, not any opponent, but good players just don't get hit by this move very often...

Anyway, I don't think my Koopa is that terrible, thanks for the "feedbacks" though, this was one of my first offline experiences against good players. As for the DK player, yeah he's not really used to fighting Bowser.
I hit Ally with like 5 Fsmashes at VC7 yesterday in tournament and friendlies(like 2 in tournament)
 

Flayl

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udov: Your Bowser isn't terrible, you just have a bad habit and need to incorporate ledge-hugging into your game. Sorry if that came off the wrong way.
 

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You know, I don't want to sound weird but whenever I see videos of you guys (aka the Bowser bros: Flayl, Ixis, Gen, Vex, King Kong (excluding myself lul)) I always have like semi heart attacks (figuratively, NOT LITERALLY)

Idk. I just always get scared -.- Vex gave me ****loads of attacks just watching him play Ally at Pound, I remember lmao

I'm an emotional Bowser :<
 

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Spoiler for when I post vids: I'll lose and I'll be doing a lot of stupid **** I didn't mean to do but my fingers slipped/I was too slow

Now you know what to expect :D
 

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Here are some matches i was supposed to post a while ago but Computer problems and other inconveniences lead to a delay.

The first 3 are against Snake. This match-up... i don't get it, i just don't get this guy, i hit him and i blow up, he survives fresh Klaw's at 180% on Smashville, just wtf. Anyway, i lose all 3 matches, match 2 is utter lolz, i subconsciously gave up after getting gimped on my first stock. I think i did best in the 3rd match, i completely changed my style to total abuse of the one move that actually seemed to work in this MU, i had a lead at one point but still couldn't pull off a win. I think i understand where i go wrong in many places though so I'll challenge Calzorz again next time i get the chance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQYqO9iI0Mg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0RQGiolMwI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh3KMS44k50

These next 4 were done the same day, vs Peach. I think I'm getting the hang of the match-up, its still ****ing horrible though. I only really won match 1 because he SD'd. Match 2 was close but i lost it towards the end. Hey JayDeth i score an FSmash winning KO on match 3. Match 4 was bullcrap and i despise Frigate Orpheon so much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-mfebhuX6M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsqXaV4ngco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGSTkIjSfIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reqZb_ILOd8
 

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Man Ixis I keep learning from you just by watching your vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQYqO9iI0Mg&#t=00m47s -> Case in point. I had no idea DAir was capable of that.

I have some other comments but you say you understand what to do now so I won't bother.

HAHAHA at the bean sword in match 2 with Shiri. At least you avoided the bob-omb in match 3. Nice FSmash.

I've had the same exact thing happen to me on Frigate Orpheon against a Marth in a match I could've won. Lesson learned the hard way: Don't use fortress when the alarm sounds.
 

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Great FSmash Ixis. That's what separates the best from the LEGENDS! :D And lol at match 4. Don't feel too bad, Japes is the stage that hates me.

And how could you lose against Snake, that's at 70:30 match up for us. /oldjoke Firebreath is good for anti-nades, but I think Snake's DACUS beats Firebreath so you can't win for losing.
 

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DACUS beating flames?

Whoa. Snake can dash through fire wtfololo.
 

Liquid Gen

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or you know guys

**** snake in the air and stuff his **** with fire

or be good

or use a different character

or any combination of the above
 

Ixisnaugus

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@ Flayl.

Yea Dair is actually pretty decent at certain point in the Snake MU i figured. For some reason it just goes right through his USmash so it defends against the bomb and punishes the ending lag at the same time. Pity its so useless in most other matches...

@ Gen.

I'll take my chances with the second option :p
 

Vex Kasrani

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Dair sucks vs Snake, wtf lol

It's a bad move in general, its good for going through his upsmash, just like Ganon's downb is good for going through it! Dair'ing into snake means ull get hit with nades :/
 

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Vs snakes just grab a lot but only pummel if u know for a fact he doesn't have any active grenades on him; other than that just space and be patient. I love facing snakes! Omg I hate metaknight, though!
 

Ixisnaugus

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@ JayDeth.

Actually I have more recent vids vs that same Pikachu which i should get to uploading soon. I don't really enjoy that MU, its really annoying actually, that's why i switched to TL on game 3. Also, please nobody show any of the TL's that video, I'm terrible and they'd only laugh at me :(

@ The Brown Scourge.

Strange i generally like fighting MK, even though its hard its still pretty fun to me. I badly hate Snake though, its not fun, its just a struggle.
 

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My friend, a Bowser player from Brazil, asked me to post this because he doesn't have an account here in SWF. In his words "it's old but gold":

Godzilla, o Mito (Godzilla, the Myth - Godzilla is his nickname)
 

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You should tell Godzilla to just make an SWF account. It'd make things easier ._.
 

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The people I play with haven't figured out what to do against Dair, and BAir is a kill move only. I used to use it more often until I got punished constantly for it's horrible lag (yes I know it's ironic).
 

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The DAir usage was really bugging me, but since you said the opponents weren't really punishing it, I guess it's ok. Just be really, really careful.

I noted a few times where it would have been better to grab than do whatever move you did, so I would say be more open to grabbing, although 3 out of your 4 videos were against characters that you don't really get much out of grab releasing against anyway.

CF went in hard on that last stock in that video though ;-;

I'm surprised no one has realized UpB doesn't sweetspot the ledge when Bowser's facing backwards (ie when Lucas PKT'd you and he was just sitting there aimlessly. Oh well. The less they know.)

Lol @ Lucas' reflexes on the GR -> DownB; I wouldn't expect too many people to really know that's coming of all moves though. Good job on that.

I'd do a critique on every single video but I'm kinda being overtaken by SoulSilver -.- I did watch all 4 vids though. And I hate YI.
 

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I actually remember there being a lot of times I wanted to go in for a grab but I messed up the input somehow, or I was too slow to the point I wasn't sure if a grab would get them anymore. I also remember somehow not Down-throwing and doing a pummel to DSmash release (that was nowhere close to hitting haha).

I only started using Dair that often 3 meets ago. I was like "I can pretty much DI away and pray they can't juggle OR I can abuse their lack of knowledge and actually hit them back" lol

You'll notice I'm pretty much going even with that Ike... Which is something that really embarasses me :(
 

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agains ike at low %, u can Fair him after getting aethered.

if u shield his front b, land a Fsmash, that move is really lagged.

If the ike lags on edge with his aether and u have the oportunity, down tilt him.
its easy to EG ike, just Bair him, if u do the right time, you will trade hits with the aether.
also firebreath to maximise %, but at some % just bair it.

if the ike come back too much with side B, just jump on it , and take the damage, he will die.

well, the ike didn't space very good, he didn't use too many Nairs, so u shouldn't have too many trouble agains him...

agains this kind of ike(that space with Nairs, dodges and jabs, mainly), i like to use minds with klaw hopping > retreated jump firebreath, it works good 4 me.
also the Fsmash retreat range can surprise an ike with Nair.

and he will try to backthrow u to Dash attack ou regrab, if u think he'll try dash attack, DI down and shield, else, upb.

the "chaingrab"(with backthrow) is said to work until 40% more or less, but I aways upb out of it, so dunno if it really work.

srry for bad english.
 

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flayl i was just wondering why you werent using bair at all even though you had two perfect opportunities for it on captain falcon's first stock when he was at like 90 or 100% or something, and another time against lucas where you even jumped off the stage backwards but still didnt bair him

bair is awesome for edgeguarding and i think you should use it more!!
 

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At 0:36 I don't remember what I was thinking but yeah I missed a Bair opportunity there.

Somehow the BAir just didn't come out in that edgeguard against Lucas. I don't know why, I had obviously set it up but maybe I didn't press the button right, or something. Anyway if you're looking for mistakes like that you can spend a whole day pointing them out pretty much.

For example, I managed to bait Falcon's upB at 0:50 perfectly for a edgeguard FAir, and I ended up BAir'ing and missing.

@ Godzillabr: Thanks for the tips, I understood them.
 

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Nice. I don't remember my request but, thanks, I guess. ^^

EDIT: It's funny. At times it seems like you're just playing too aggressive and not spacing your moves at all, then you'll turn around and space your next couple moves perfectly. Mind games?
 

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lol we need to play on WiFi again. I remember losing like, every match.

:X
 

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What happened to the spacing half way through? It's like you both switched controllers, lol.

:O That's so much cooler than the actual stage!

Danm. King brought the pain early. Then you brought the wall infinite to off stage back throw. Lol at the ending.

The amazing gameplay in this vid is the stuff of legends.

I'm curious. Did King think he was playing Wolf? I saw a concerningly large amount of DSmash and Bair momentum canceling.

Obvious outcome was obvious.
 

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Had these lying around, finally got round to uploading them. Majority (95%) are wifi :p

Wolf
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/a/u/0/087_Mq717FE

Wario
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/a/u/1/ey9DosdKqRY

Toon Link
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/10/INR4HXUaMqo
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/9/b0zpm5rxlpo
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/8/luAYHZ91v3k
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/7/4bXJ6o2DqR0
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/6/rT9KePj-Nn8
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/5/4wfA71bbHAU
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/4/1os7twDVnHY
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/3/d732xtleImw
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/2/Bne0bTrisQ4

Sheik
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/11/WWIFpal1SCI

Pokemon Trainer
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/13/GDuo01x1ZSw
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/12/5SNZ-onl21E

Ness
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/14/xTmAnwbAPPo

Metaknight
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/17/w-510AS1nJw
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/16/JO6Qs4G3iiw
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/15/_InvV0heNbU

Marth
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/21/-aT3ltj0Q7Y
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/20/HJbddylCnYY
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/19/TuaBG7C8jBg
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/18/9XEq8pl2mwY

Lucario
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/22/BTzzE7yLK0g

Link
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/26/1VN_FOqsl_0
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/27/R7V57ic45pM
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/23/Rvo9FBhZq3s

Kirby
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/25/RfM2Ex68Qo4
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/24/osrM1tzwjtI

Donkey Kong
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/28/mZEacaYBgZM

Ike
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/44/L6iXdFbC1Lo
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/43/W1ahfoejFUg
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/42/WUxC1-WNG1Y
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/41/XR9ih11WfXY

Samus
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/45/oEBSHKSznDY

Jiggs
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/46/EFUY2NnJBc0

Ice Climbers
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/47/cZ2F17jhxGQ

Ganon
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/48/943q2uQlbv4

Fox
http://www.youtube.com/user/Calvrp?feature=mhw5#p/u/49/MXSbzI8QfjQ
 
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