Inferno's Decarde, The Bowser Video & Critique Thread

[Flayl]

Good games from both of you, but yeah, you're getting hit waaay too often.

I think the problem is you're trying to shield everything on reaction rather than using the predictability and rythym of your opponent to your advantage.

I bet you're perfectly able to dodge Samus's grab on reaction, try playing safe(r) against KillerJawz the next time you see him. Not much Samus can do about it. You don't really have to powershield against her, although it does help.

 

[Ixisnaugus]

@ JayDeth+Flayl

Thanks for the advice i'll bear those in mind and try to improve!

 

[Phiddlesticks]

yo ixis my man you gotta do more jab cancelling against samus

 

[Vetona the Zero]

Hrm , it'd be easier if the dates were added because the videos aren't so "new".

 

[B!squick]

To avoid double posting (again) in the general discussion, here's this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2Jlo5k5pNo

Now, discuss Bowser's footstool combos. Is there ACTUALLY a legitimate use for aerial DownB here? O.o

 

[KingKong_ad]

footstool to downB in the air works I tested for lol and I saw it works but I tought it was already discovered lol

 

[Cassius.]

Yeah...I thought the footstool Down B was old news lol

 

[B!squick]

I have NEVER EVER heard of this and I would be willing to go out on a limb and say I'm the most frequent poster on this board... since I joined anyway. And MrEh doing this is the first I've seen of it.

 

[Cassius.]

The date of the video is October. I thought it was old news lol. Besides, from just plain common sense, couldn't anyone figure out that it's possible to grab release footstool Wario? Needless to say some characters have "infinites" on him because of the air release footstool? lol

 

[B!squick]

It's not mentioned on Vex's grab release list (I think) and it never came up in the match up discussion. How else could I find this out, lol. Even when I played, I never thought about footstooling Wario out of GR when I came across them, let alone comboing it into DownB.

 

[Cassius.]

It's not mentioned on Vex's grab release list (I think) and it never came up in the match up discussion. How else could I find this out, lol. Even when I played, I never thought about footstooling Wario out of GR when I came across them, let alone comboing it into DownB.

I checked and it's not on there. However, a long time ago Peach and Sheik had infinites on characters due to aerial release footstooling [and forcing getups with their BAirs, similar to Bowser's old NAir forced getup hype ], and I'm pretty sure Wario was one of those characters. Putting two and two together, I thought since Wario was on that list anyone could figure out Air release footstooling...I just never actually thought too much of it, seeing as how MrEh just Bowser Bombs. There's a simpler and less complicated way of killing off the air release. Now that I think about it, there's probably something we could do through the footstool, but I honestly don't feel like testing right now.

It's like an hour before Christmas, lol.

 

[B!squick]

Ah, okay, it's one of those putting two and two and three together sorta of things, eh? Well this has gotten me curious about other stuff Bowser can do with Footstools. Like if we had a way to set it up besides a GR on Wario.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Low tier doubles winners finals set right before Genesis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1qwjVxfbGU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxMArVlr4CM

 

[Flayl]

Good stuff. I think I counted at least two times where Dapuffster team kills you for no reason lol.

 

[B!squick]

Jigglypuff wanted all the glory, clearly.

 

[Flayl]

3 videos Limit sent me against an Ike, not sure if he wants critique or what:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbm40ZUdVuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLXS92PHBNw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3KQQvEVxtg

 

[Cassius.]

Oh yeah those matches. Well for one thing they're about four months old lolol. I was just going through all of my replays before 2010 came along because I'm probably going to delete all of the 2009 stuff on New Years. The matches were offline at my house <_<

Neither Red nor I were taking the matches too seriously (aka lol20fsmashes & taunting), but critique if you want lmao. Flayl if you want to record some more cool old replays I have some more ._. I mean, they're worth recording--they're just...old, lol.

I do know I tried to be a bit too dazzling in these games, and even though they were friendlies I got kinda screwed for being too fancy and stupid lol

 

[B!squick]

Limit doesn't like to use FAir to get out of hit stun I see.

 

[Flayl]

Sure, pick out your favorite games and I'll upload them.

 

[Cassius.]

What about FAir? Oh for Momentum and stuff. Well...Sometimes when I'm being really rash and putting little to no thought in it I just use any aerial, or the aerial that's in the direction I'm going. So sometimes when I don't think, if I'm going to the right and my back is to the right I'll just do the fastest thing on reaction and BAir it.

I'm doing a lot better at living because I actually am using FAir more to live and stuff, but back then I'd use UAir and BAir and any kind of aerial lolol

 

[B!squick]

Lol, random.

 

[Crzy]

Let me know if you want those listed, Limit.

 

[calv]

So I haven't been recording any matches lately, but I havr been saving as many replays as I can, I put together a small trailer for my new Bowser compilation video, which I hope will be way better than my first one. Still need to try and get some more footage for now, follow the link for the trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMkJ6MHjP0E

 

[Flayl]

Here are some Vex VS M2K vids from an old tournament. Just found out about them from the "recommended for you" on Youtube lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C70NJwUwyaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoO3We1bxvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhr-heBiHNY

 

[B!squick]

Ha. I like how Ike has more power, range, and a smaller size. x_x

 

[Phiddlesticks]

lol youtube was recommending those same videos to me a couple days ago

 

[Its Wispy]

Klaw has infinite potential because of grab armor. More Bowser's need to abuse this. It seems as though I'm the only Bowser to abuse this.

I love using it right before Wolf' launches his side B recovery. It is so epic when you pull it off and drag them back to the stage on your terms.

 

[-MCT-]

I wanted to record some friendlies at our last tournament here, but I didn't get the chance to, so all that's left me to show are those two videos from a smashfest two monts ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHR7iidrGh0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&feature=related&v=zhF0yWfsiGE

Things I already know:

-My smash DI sucks. Totally. I eat multi-hit moves like there's no tomorrow and I really need to improve that.
-Grab releases... I know I didn't try anything too gay even if my opponent was Wario, but it wasn't even an official tournament and most people (my opponent, Biagio, included) are close friends of mine, so yeah, I backed off a little with these.
-I should be more careful with bair and dair x_x
-I need to mix up claw hopping with aerials, and I'm already working in that direction

Oh yeah, there are some other videos of me playing but I sucked REALLY bad back then, even more than now. ANY tips are welcome, even for my opponent, we both need to improve a lot XD

 

[B!squick]

Wario is one of the few characters that I just don't bother to use Firebreath on. He can DI it far too well. Besides an FSmash that should have been an FTilt and recovery somewhat uncomfortably low, I saw nothing but awesome. Good job man. Needs more DownB though.

 

[Flayl]

- Spend the game klaw hopping: Wario has a really stupid chaingrab on Bowser so you want to avoid being grabbed as much as possible. Also, you need to have a good air mobility to be able to hit him without him screwing up.
- Save BAir for killing, FAir is better for aerial assault.
- Don't use firebreath against Wario because he can easily jump over it and hit you with DAir for damage and UAir to kill you. Your opponent didn't do that because of lack of experience I guess.
- Don't FSmash randomly.
- You can Fortress if he goes through your shield with the bike.
- At 1:40 you should've been hogging the ledge, DTilt won't hit anything below the ledge.
- If you don't want to standing chaingrab Wario, at least klaw him out of a ground release and Utilt him out of an air release.
- Fortress when he NAirs your shield, grab isn't fast enough.
- None of Bowser's aerials will beat a grounded Bite, if you can't klaw him try Bowser bomb directly above him.
- Work in ledge-hopping/jumping to your ledge game, always using the ledge attack will get you punished.
- There's really not much you can do about Wario's DAir except SDI upwards to avoid a tiny bit amount of damage and follow-ups at low %s.

That's my input for now. As soon as my exams are over I'll try to get some of my own replays up for review.

 

[KingKong_ad]

also you can pivot grab his dair

 

[Flayl]

Yeah that goes for all approaches that become predictable, try to pivot-grab them.

 

[-MCT-]

Thanks everyone

 

[B!squick]

Can't really critique you too much. You DID win.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

I'm picking up Brawl and picking up Bowser.

Let's see how this goes and how long this lasts

eh?

<3

 

[MrEh]

I'm picking up Brawl and picking up Bowser.

Let's see how this goes and how long this lasts

eh?

<3

Hawaii says hi. :D


Go go go!

 

[B!squick]

I'm picking up Brawl and picking up Bowser.

Let's see how this goes and how long this lasts

eh?

<3

Praise be to Gimpyfish! The time of the second coming is upon us!

 

[Flayl]

Well if past experience says anything you're going to get bored of brawl bowser very fast lol

 

[calv]

Gimpyfish is brawling again... lets hope it does last. The more Bowser support the better.

 

[Ixisnaugus]

Yo Bowser's. More videos of me from a small gathering i hosted last Friday. 6 videos Vs one of the best players in the UK, Kira! Out of the uploaded i won 3 and lost 3 (one of them i get completely vultured), overall we had about 15 serious matches straight. I won 5 wheras Kira took away 10 -__- Forgive me, i'll nail the Falco matchup down eventually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o64o-uh4DPc&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvzBVTSu6EM&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpl5TKWA1DY&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdt5dmjKcUc&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gecq8wsBr0A&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ6TrT_XQb8&feature=channel

Kira is a very very good Falco so i encourage those with little Falco experience or who frequently go to tourneys with good Falco's to watch these, there is a lot to be learned from my mistakes. Except JayDeth and Flayl, you two need to come critique me asap :3

I fell in love with Brinstar after the 2nd match XD