I'm begining to frown upon Brawl's wi-fi.

[Z'zgashi]

"This tier list has been developed through extensive testing on wifi specifically here and allisfail
order is pretty obvious, and the characters are ordered within their tiers.

S tier: Olimar, Pit, Falco

A tier: lucario,meta, diddy, IC, luigi

B tier: snake,R.O.B, mario, TL, pikachu,

C tier: D3, kirby, marth, ike*, g&w, wolf*,

D tier: zelda, DK, ganon*, lucas, bowser, fox, link

E tier: CF, PT, sheik, peach

F tier: ness, wario, yoshi, , ZSS

G tier: samus, sonic, jigglypuff,


Characters with an asterisk go up to SS tier in super framelag

Tier list is valid in button lag up to minor framelag

Thoughts on it? Questions on placing? Suggestions on switches?

mostly done but still working out some kinks input is always nice"

No way Ill work on it then tell you what i think it should be

 

[DTK.L]

No way Ill work on it then tell you what i think it should be

Godspeed Z'zgashi..*Salutes*

 

[Knubs.]

Ask anyone, they'll tell you zelda is top

Zelda is trash offline and online.

 

[Anonymous24]

Zelda is trash offline and online.

Zelda is a great character if used in the right way. If people actually stop abusing the smash attacks and experiment with different moves to rack up combos or damage then Zelda would receive the recognition she deserves. Its really unfortunate

 

[Z'zgashi]

Zelda's still not the greatest but she is much better online

 

[Anonymous24]

Zelda's still not the greatest but she is much better online

Stating "someone" is the greatest is more of an opinion and not a fact BTW. I think all characters have both there strengths and weaknesses (I despise tiers)

 

[Z'zgashi]

I believe the tier list is pretty good, it's not perfect but it does give you a good idea to how versital a character is. Just because the tier list says your character is lower doesnt mean you're hopless, it just means you have less options/more problems with certain things you have to try and deal with. Afterall I'm a Yoshi main who rarely places under 7th in tournaments. Sure I think some characters should be placed differently, but regardless I still think it's a good thing

 

[Knubs.]

Zelda's still not the greatest but she is much better online

She's the same thing online as she is offline. None of the gameplay has changed, just the speed and your patience. She's not a bad character, but she doesn't have things to put her over the top.

 

[Anonymous24]

I believe the tier list is pretty good, it's not perfect but it does give you a good idea to how versital a character is. Just because the tier list says your character is lower doesnt mean you're hopless, it just means you have less options/more problems with certain things you have to try and deal with. Afterall I'm a Yoshi main who rarely places under 7th in tournaments. Sure I think some characters should be placed differently, but regardless I still think it's a good thing

I play with all the characters and believe me you'll be surprised how good a "low tier" character can be. Most of what they base the tier list on is tournament use. Plus the tier list decreases the chance of people using different characters in my opinion.

 

[DTK.L]

Zelda is slow and light two bad qualities lag would possibly not be a big deal for her i don't play as zelda but it doesn't matter her placing on the list online she is still a danger that can bait you into a lost stock i would mention the frames for her attacks but that is a field i need to study up on.

 

[Z'zgashi]

She's good due to epicly impossible to dodge sweetspoting. Other than that she sucks

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

I play with all the characters and believe me you'll be surprised how good a "low tier" character can be. Most of what they base the tier list on is tournament use. Plus the tier list decreases the chance of people using different characters in my opinion.

I agree. I make Yoshi look beast vs top tiers. Always close games despite the outcomes.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Have you noticed tht yoshi handles top tiers quite well, mid tiers pretty bad, and low tiers very well? It's kinda wierd. For example:

Top Tiers
45:55 = Favor
40:60 = Favor
55:45 = Favor
45:55 = Favor
55:45 = Favor
50:50 but IMO our favor cuz we have an infinate to kill if we get a single grab on him ;D

Mid Tiers (Just a Few)
45:55 = Favor
35:65 = Favor
40:60 = Favor
30:70 = Favor (OMG I HATE HIM!!)
35:65: = Favor
45:55 = Favor

Low Tiers
We beat everyone except and (agruably)

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

I disagree with those results, honestly.

 

[MikeKirby]

Zelda's still not the greatest but she is much better online

Oh my gosh!!! I hate her online so much... When she is running expect either a dash attack or an U-Smash. Yet no matter if you see it coming you get hit by them... sometimes... Still annoying, though.

 

[DTK.L]

I hate zelda...shes on the list of characters i will not master and i dislike over wifi

My list
yoshi
ice climbers
wolf
kirby
zelda
and maybe wario

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Zelda's great online, Yoshi is not.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I disagree with those results, honestly.

really, they are pretty **** accurate, if you are basing yours off the match up chart, they're way outdated, these are pretty close to perfect

I hate zelda...shes on the list of characters i will not master and i dislike over wifi

My list
yoshi
ice climbers
wolf
kirby
zelda
and maybe wario

You forgot Falco... >.>

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

really, they are pretty **** accurate, if you are basing yours off the match up chart, they're way outdated, these are pretty close to perfect



You forgot Falco... >.>

I'm really not basing it off that at all. Just common sense, game mechanics, and past experiences, too. Techniques. I'll post my opinion matchups.

 

[Z'zgashi]

which ones do you disagree with?

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

which ones do you disagree with?

Diddy, Game and Watch, and Squirtle. Toon Link, too.

 

[Z'zgashi]

We beat diddy due to all the crazy things we can do with his bananas making them just as effective for us as they are for him. Look up some yoshi naner stuff its pretty cool. MGW and squirtle just air **** us, they out prioritize and we dont have much to stop them from approaching, squirtle's a bit easier due to our CG on him though. Toon Link is just ****, he out camps us and we cant use our sheild or he'll zair theliving **** out of our end lag. Try fighting a decent Tink and tell me he doesnt **** us

 

[Zatchiel]

We beat diddy due to all the crazy things we can do with his bananas making them just as effective for us as they are for him. Look up some yoshi naner stuff its pretty cool. MGW and squirtle just air **** us, they out prioritize and we dont have much to stop them from approaching, squirtle's a bit easier due to our CG on him though. Toon Link is just ****, he out camps us and we cant use our sheild or he'll zair theliving **** out of our end lag. Try fighting a decent Tink and tell me he doesnt **** us

Who is "Tink?"
Do you mean Toon Link?
Just kinda confused me there.

 

[Anonymous24]

Zelda's great online, Yoshi is not.

In my opinion it depends on whos using Zelda in my opinion. Either Zeldas loved or hated nothing in between

 

[DTK.L]

You forgot Falco... >.>

I plan to master falco in the future after meta-knight or fox

 

[Anonymous24]

I plan to master falco in the future after meta-knight or fox

I find falco very easy to master in my opinion. Good luck with that

 

[Knubs.]

Who is "Tink?"
Do you mean Toon Link?
Just kinda confused me there.

Yeah, Toon Link is often referred to as Tink, TL, and Tlink.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

We beat diddy due to all the crazy things we can do with his bananas making them just as effective for us as they are for him. Look up some yoshi naner stuff its pretty cool. MGW and squirtle just air **** us, they out prioritize and we dont have much to stop them from approaching, squirtle's a bit easier due to our CG on him though. Toon Link is just ****, he out camps us and we cant use our sheild or he'll zair theliving **** out of our end lag. Try fighting a decent Tink and tell me he doesnt **** us

Twisted... I'll check some things out...

 

[C.S. Dinah]

Zelda Spotdodges ftw

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Zelda Spotdodges ftw

hahaha truth of shame?

 

[C.S. Dinah]

Spotdodging Zelda's get away with anything. Thats one of her wifi buffs. =___=

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Spotdodging Zelda's get away with anything. Thats one of her wifi buffs. =___=

I've lost to it already.... -_-

 

[Nysyarc]

Holy crap is this like the new online social thread? 165 pages in 2 months? And it just started out as your standard WiFi johns thread :\

Back in the day we'd be lucky to get 165 posts in 2 months for the whole forum around here.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Certainly is xD

 

[PeachIsMyNumeroUno]

I hate the hackers. You start a game and they throw like five pokeballs and out come five deoxis'?? What's the point? Haha

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

I hate the hackers. You start a game and they throw like five pokeballs and out come five deoxis'?? What's the point? Haha

Never happened to me, but I really wish it would because that's awesome.

 

[C.S. Dinah]

One time all of the pokeballs I threw came out as Goldeen. Brawl is messed up :/

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

^ They help a lot, don't they? Nothing better then making Brawl the way it's supposed to be. xD

 

[C.S. Dinah]

Totally lol

I'd love it more if they gave Zelda's airdodge to Peach

 

[DTK.L]

Holy crap is this like the new online social thread? 165 pages in 2 months? And it just started out as your standard WiFi johns thread :\

Back in the day we'd be lucky to get 165 posts in 2 months for the whole forum around here.

Eat your oats grandpa.

Look at what the topic creator says on the front page i lol everytime theres a new post,this topic practically became anything worth talking about this might as be just "the everyday come in here and tell us how much you hate wifi thread"