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@chad, what is your honest opinion of kage's skill level?
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He's a skilled player with a versatile Ganondorf. I honestly think the only thing standing in his way of placing top 5 at an international level event is either an extensive knowledge of those top player's styles or a valid counterpick character that allows him to breeze past those certain matchups that highlight Ganondorf's undeniable weaknesses.@chad, what is your honest opinion of kage's skill level?
Not really. hahaDoes it matter?
Don't we all?Cage just gotta throw out those attacks and watch the fox mains run into them
Ganondorf holds the capability to win any matchup if he plays it right. The main issue with running him 100% of the time is just that in certain scenarios involving lack of sleep, exhaustion, nervousness, and other issues. You tend to find that Ganondorf's mistakes have much more of an impact on his ability to win the game than the vast amount of high tier characters.Chaddd is mad smart. He could def turn heads again if he plays a lot like he says he will.
Chaddd, do you think if you were playing at your top performance that you would need to still CP Fox for spacies or Falcon or Sheik(just throwing matchups out there)? Basically a "do you think Ganon is viable" but on a more personal level lol.
And you're right. Touching on what I said to Peepee just now, there are several matchups (both player and character) that I feel Ganondorf is a much stronger pick. Typically I prefer to play Ganondorf first and foremost and I will only switch if I feel the match wasn't close enough to risk picking him twice in a row.I think if Chaddd steps up his innovation and speed somewhat he'll go straight Ganon without thinking twice.
Exactly.Ya that's fair enough, I actually was thinking about this recently too. Sure it's nice to go all Ganon at international tournaments but I mean if I want to win vs certain players I have to expand my options and choose different characters according to their style because sometimes I'll just get straight up ***** because either I suck at the matchup or they know Ganon too much or they know my style too much you know or fighting a bad matchup can sometimes be hard too depending on who it is.
But at the same time, Ganon is too good.. I can't really let him go. lol.
Like for example I lost to a fox player who knows the Ganon matchup really well 1st round when he was lower skilled than me.. and then I had to go Falcon because I was being pressured for CPing.. so it ended up well and I won both games with Falcon after.
Actually, we were talking to Kage about that during his set vs KirbyKaze. That man is his kryptonite. We suggested things like using spacies, jiggs, Sheik ditto, or ICs or something.He's a skilled player with a versatile Ganondorf. I honestly think the only thing standing in his way of placing top 5 at an international level event is either an extensive knowledge of those top player's styles or a valid counterpick character that allows him to breeze past those certain matchups that highlight Ganondorf's undeniable weaknesses.
Idk I like them personally, I don't mind but ya we should definitely be more open and use our options more correctly if we want to defeat certain players that knows our style too much.Smart post by chad. I agree with everything you said.
My fox has gotten pretty good against sheik in the past couple months so i'm probably going to test it out at the next tournament. Other than sheik, I don't really get frustrated with any other matchups so I see no reason to switch.
I've already decided that if someone counter-picks me to a stage that isn't neutral(brinstar, kongo, etc.) i'm just going fox. I can't even describe how much I hate playing on gay stages with ganon lol.
Mike told me to go Puff, I'm like no ****ing way.. lol. But I mean to get to that pro level with other characters will take SO MUCH work, my Falcon is the closest by far for me atm. But, I mean for real I have been playing my side characters a lot more this past few months to make them stronger but I'm still way too low level with them. And ya Chaddd, that was a sick post. My only other options I really have and I enjoy playing is Falcon, Falco or Marth.OMG Chaddd is back?!!?!!?
awesome
Actually, we were talking to Kage about that during his set vs KirbyKaze. That man is his kryptonite. We suggested things like using spacies, jiggs, Sheik ditto, or ICs or something.
Then again, fox is also another problem for Kage, so I would suggest that he uses either falco or sheik to cover his matchups.
Also, I'm lovin the big post chad
Aren't those stages good for Ganon? What i'm really asking is why those stages are bad for Ganon since you know your ****.I've already decided that if someone counter-picks me to a stage that isn't neutral(brinstar, kongo, etc.) i'm just going fox. I can't even describe how much I hate playing on gay stages with ganon lol.
You also can't discount the fact that in both those stages the center isn't completely level so Ganondorf's normal waveland -> grab and waveland -> jab/tilt game gets pretty much completely ruined. In stages like that Ganondorf is usually forced to spend much more time in the air, and against a faster character this can make gimping Ganondorf much easier. All they have to do is wait for you to predictably use your second jump and it's all over.Geen, I never said they were bad for ganon, but that I just disliked them. One of the main problems with both of those levels are their janky edges. Since they are both stages without bottoms the dynamics of the edges work differently and I many times suicide from just not being able to regrab the ledge while stalling, to its weirdness causing me to **** up my ledgedash.
I also dislike stupid factors like the lava and the barrel that take away from the skill vs skill aspect of the game. The floor on kongo is also annoying because I love having my guaranteed follow-ups out of grabs, and this sometimes ruins them.
This is just my opinion, of course. I'd rather play fox who is good as hell on any of the gay stages lol
Just about every character has an equal opportunity to win when it comes to Rainbow Cruise. Really it just comes down to a player's level of comfort with the stage, because there are many ways for a character to gimp any other character if it's timed right. Three characters have a distinct advantage one this stage though: Fox, Falco, and Jigglypuff. Fox's advantage has a lot to do with his shine, Falco can shine off the top and his high jump height is a huge plus, and Jigglypuff is incredibly obvious. Characters who seem to lose a lot when going to RC include anyone who needs a lot of room to run around or anyone who relies on the ledge a lot.I see. Thanks a lot for the writeups about the stages guys. One time I took a jiggs to KJ and he camped me until 2 minutes and I lost. That was stupid lol. Could someone talk about cping to RC, like what are the pros and cons and which characters is it good to cp to and which is it bad. Obviously never take Jigglypuff there but what about all the other high tiers?
Falcon vs Ganon is a relatively even match up, the problem is that while you can effectively KO him, he can combo you like crazy. Obviously there's some tips I already gave in the first post, but aside from that I can think of a few other things that will help.Wow. This thread is real ****ing talk.
Chaddd. What do you think of Falcon vs. Ganon?
I was under the impression once that it was horrible for Ganon, but I feel like I've learned that Ganon can compete with him more than I once thought possible.
LOLinteresting I always felt falcon takes a huge, flowing, wet diarrhea dooky dump on ganon
Falcon doesn't seem that bad imo, you just have to work on finishing your combos and hit him with the correct spacing or else you'll get overwhelmed by his speed. I don't think it's 45-55, but somewhere in-between that and 60-40. I honestly think that Ganon's actual worst matchups is Sheik and Fox (Fox is tolerable, but it requires some really good zoning tactics and solid edge guarding)What? It's easier than Falcon, Falco, Fox and Sheik for sure.
I dare you to try vs any pro Falcons with Ganon. GL.Falcon doesn't seem that bad imo, you just have to work on finishing your combos and hit him with the correct spacing or else you'll get overwhelmed by his speed. I don't think it's 45-55, but somewhere in-between that and 60-40. I honestly think that Ganon's actual worst matchups is Sheik and Fox (Fox is tolerable, but it requires some really good zoning tactics and solid edge guarding)
This.I dare you to try vs any pro Falcons with Ganon. GL.
lol We'll have to see. I haven't played any top level falcon, but watching Emilio murk Darkrain (as well as yourself) and watch Emilio go even with Hax. I'm inclined to believe it's not that hard. Tipman also stomped Falcons pretty hard himself.I dare you to try vs any pro Falcons with Ganon. GL.
No, losing would never change my view on a matchup I already believe is even.After playing against PP's marth at G6, have your feelings on the marth vs ganon matchup changed at all? And what are your thoughts on the marth vs ganon matchup in general?
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