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Ike Boards General/Q&A Thread
- Thread starter Teh Brettster
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Senliten
Smash Lord
laughed harder than i should of at that. Ty bored XD
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Bravo bored, Bravo.
But really though. anything involving Uthrow is RedX related
But really though. anything involving Uthrow is RedX related
Ahenobarbus
Smash Cadet
anyone wanna play wifi dittos? I'll be able to be on for at least the next 2 hours or possibly later
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
A friend of mine is spending the next few months in NY for his studies. He's the lucario player who was in some matches I posted a while back, Nives. He's already attended a NY tournament, http://smashboards.com/threads/mage-monthlies-1-results.335654/
Maybe some of you guys might be able to play/see him someday :T
Maybe some of you guys might be able to play/see him someday :T
Heartstring
Smash Legend
oh, I remember nives. He came to the uk a while back, he's a cool guy.
Ahenobarbus
Smash Cadet
Do you guys have a suggestion for a secondary for Ike? I'm leaning Marth, because he's only -1 vs. MK and DDD and +1 vs. Olimar. I know he has a sharp learning curve, but since my strength with Ike is spacing, and spacing is everything for Marth, I thought that mentally it would be the least drastic change, as opposed to other chars that cover Ike's mad MU's.
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
I'm more confortable with Falco, but Marth is a good secondary indeed. It's just that he takes so much work you might end up playing him 3 quarters of the time.
Now that I think about it, Olimar himself would be a good secondary, and obviously MK.
Now that I think about it, Olimar himself would be a good secondary, and obviously MK.
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
Meta Knight, because who else should you play in this game. (won't even bother using strikethrough here)
Marth works out, though I wouldn't say that spacing with Ike completely transfers over to spacing with Marth.
Marth works out, though I wouldn't say that spacing with Ike completely transfers over to spacing with Marth.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
I'm personally getting used to MK, and apparently it's pretty good by nature. Spacing is important with him too if you want to effectively play aggro so It's working out well.Marth is a good secondary for ike aswell though.
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Pretty sure we had this discussion a while back. Didn't we decide that Falco + Marth would be the best two characters to learn to round out the matchups?
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Well, If we exclude MK it is...
Ahenobarbus
Smash Cadet
I'm just afraid to take on MK because any MK I play against in a tournament is bound to know the ditto far far better than I would. Then again they'll probably know the MK-Marth MU way better than I would too
Heartstring
Smash Legend
well. If you plan on Picking up MK just for dealing with MK, you may want to just practise that particular matchup. It's what I'm doing with MK (and Olimar too. **** olimar)
Ahenobarbus
Smash Cadet
**** Olimar indeed. nobody else gets a child army
theeboredone
Smash Legend
What I've been doing in my spare time...
theeboredone
Smash Legend
So Bioshock Infinite is really good. Not into FPS myself, but I am just absorbed into that world.
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
There's still a music major's mind inside me, and I will never cease to cringe at things like this.
This site layout is so annoying I just have no motivation to post.
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Yeah... my activity has dropped off quite a bit since the change. Plus I haven't played in months (again).
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
I still play, though I've also been playing a bunch of Melee and Project M recently. I don't think I'll enter a tournament again until the new Smash Bros comes out probably, unless I don't like it lol.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
I still play. But I use Ike a lot less nowadays. The UK finally woke up and learnt how to play the MU so it got much harder. most of my smash stuff happens on facebook anyway. thats where the entirety of the UK scene works from anyway.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
I just realized...Niddo has been gone forever.
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
Î haven't been able to play much or post for a few months now. So much work x)
I still play once every 5 weeks or so, and now that my finals are nearly over, I should go back to it.
I still play once every 5 weeks or so, and now that my finals are nearly over, I should go back to it.
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
I think Old Man Nysyarc finally got put into a home. =(
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Oh yeah. A lot of the guys don't seem to be here anymore at all. Sad times.
Ereth
Murda Bidness
Did someone delete my comment? I made a long drawn out post about why you should stick to just ike instead of picking up marth and its not here 
Ereth
Murda Bidness
Well here it goes
-D3
Marth vs D3 is much harder than Ike vs D3, although the MU chart says otherwise. As Ike your main goal is to space with fair and grab before he grabs you, bthrow -> dash attack is your bread and butter. Get him off the stage and make him use all his jumps with fair/bair/dair. When he is forced to recover with his upB you have limitless options for killing him, especially on battlefield. Wait for him to reach the apex (where his super armor ends) of his upB then punish with fsmash/bair/uair/upsmash, you name it. The entire MU is based on you getting him off the stage and stealing the ledge so he has to upB. Ike's punishes are godlike.
-MK
The MU for Ike is almost played exactly the same as for Marth, maintain stage control, abuse grab shenanigans, space well, and PUNISH EVERYTHING. Bair that tornado. Be sure to throw MK offstage and punish him on the ledge instead of edge hogging, fair beats most options, including nado. Ike can be just as strong as Marth against MK. Don't let the MU Chart tell you how it is, learn the MU for yourself before you judge how "bad" it is -Advice from C.J.
-Olimar
Olimar can be extremely tough for Marth as well, especially when getting back on stage. Ike has a bit of an easier time getting back stage control. Its hard for Ike to fight olimar because he's so short (hard to hit bair and impossible to hit FF Uair) and hard to approach, but Ike can kill Olimar around 100% with DI. Just remember you can dair through his upsmash (non purple I believe). Also Olimar does not have grab armor, so if youre in his face jabbing and he tries to grab he'll get hit. If they are in the air chances are they are going to whistle to avoid an uair so using aether to ledge grab is a good means to kill olimar. Aether's hitboxes last longer than the super armor from whistle so he'll be dragged down (with any luck without a jump). In essence jab cancels, your greater aerial game, and aether are your friends. Just be ready for the grab, its gonna happen.
If you want some qualifications, I'm a marth main and I play with Ryo and DewDaDash almost everyday. We can send you replays if you're interested.
I think you should stick to Ike without a secondary because Ike is capable of overcoming all of his bad MU's and is an underrated and amazing character.
-D3
Marth vs D3 is much harder than Ike vs D3, although the MU chart says otherwise. As Ike your main goal is to space with fair and grab before he grabs you, bthrow -> dash attack is your bread and butter. Get him off the stage and make him use all his jumps with fair/bair/dair. When he is forced to recover with his upB you have limitless options for killing him, especially on battlefield. Wait for him to reach the apex (where his super armor ends) of his upB then punish with fsmash/bair/uair/upsmash, you name it. The entire MU is based on you getting him off the stage and stealing the ledge so he has to upB. Ike's punishes are godlike.
-MK
The MU for Ike is almost played exactly the same as for Marth, maintain stage control, abuse grab shenanigans, space well, and PUNISH EVERYTHING. Bair that tornado. Be sure to throw MK offstage and punish him on the ledge instead of edge hogging, fair beats most options, including nado. Ike can be just as strong as Marth against MK. Don't let the MU Chart tell you how it is, learn the MU for yourself before you judge how "bad" it is -Advice from C.J.
-Olimar
Olimar can be extremely tough for Marth as well, especially when getting back on stage. Ike has a bit of an easier time getting back stage control. Its hard for Ike to fight olimar because he's so short (hard to hit bair and impossible to hit FF Uair) and hard to approach, but Ike can kill Olimar around 100% with DI. Just remember you can dair through his upsmash (non purple I believe). Also Olimar does not have grab armor, so if youre in his face jabbing and he tries to grab he'll get hit. If they are in the air chances are they are going to whistle to avoid an uair so using aether to ledge grab is a good means to kill olimar. Aether's hitboxes last longer than the super armor from whistle so he'll be dragged down (with any luck without a jump). In essence jab cancels, your greater aerial game, and aether are your friends. Just be ready for the grab, its gonna happen.
If you want some qualifications, I'm a marth main and I play with Ryo and DewDaDash almost everyday. We can send you replays if you're interested.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
The boards have been down for a little while. the comment probably got lost in the errors.Did someone delete my comment? I made a long drawn out post about why you should stick to just ike instead of picking up marth and its not here
And while the points you make are largely right. I don't think for one second marth has a harder time against those 3 characters than Ike does. Marth has options against things
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
Yeah, marth vs those characters isn't an autowin but there's no way marth/oli and marth/mk are as dumb as their ike counterpart.
Ereth
Murda Bidness
Well my main point is the ike vs d3 MU is better, marth is quite a bit better vs olimar and mk.
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
You didn't exactly say why D3 is harder. If Marth plays the same way you explain Ike does (and he can, minus the bthrow->DA combo and what to punish an UpB with, obviously), the only difference is you might be killing D3 about 20-30% later. And it's easier to play Marth that way than Ike. Having a D3 powershield Ike's Fair when it's not perfectly spaced is way more disadvantageous than with Marth's Fair, just as one example. Marth has "safer" options to hide behind, whereas Ike is forced to either play perfectly or within safe options that aren't going to win you a match.
Ereth
Murda Bidness
D3 is harder for Marth because D3 dies later and kills Marth much sooner. Marths punishes aren't nearly as strong and his spike isn't as easy to hit/reliable. Walk off dair with Ike is really good in this MU. Without that bthrow->DA combo Marth has a hard time getting D3 off stage and into a position he can punish. Fthrow and dthrow will not send D3 very far. Ike can also punish spot dodge by holding jab, marth has no reliable spot dodge punish. DB down is risky and can be power shielded. Marth may be slightly safer than Ike at neutral but overall I think Ike does better in this MU
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
I disagree on the fact that Marth has a harder time when on the edge, Ike stuck there vs DDD is in a for a world of pain. Also, I might be wrong seeing as how you've seen Ryo play vs DDDash, but I think challenging DDD"s spotdodoge with ike's autojab isn't a good idea. It's not nearly as fast as falcon's or snake's.
It's true that bthrow>da is great though. Gets the fat pinguin exactly where he should be.
It's true that bthrow>da is great though. Gets the fat pinguin exactly where he should be.
Ereth
Murda Bidness
I only mean marth has a harder time on the ledge against olimar. You might be right on that, the autojab is a bit of a mix up probably shouldn't use it reliably. If he shields your jab thats a grab.
Ryo_Guikido
Smash Ace
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I've played as both characters against D3 and I can say I also believe Ike has an easier time.
B-throw -> DA starts really early on D3 which can get him offstage where Ike has clear advantages. Ike's Up B really messes with D3 in taking away his jumps and can take care of his recovery fairly well. Also if D3 does upB and lands if we power shield we get a free f smash. (Which I've known about for a while it's just no D3 really recovers on stage unless well they really have to.)
Sure there are things that we have to be very wary about but since Ike lives for so long we can get more advantages to kill him and him to also kill us. Holding jab isn't good against spot dodge. It's way to risky. You can do retreating Fair since it will hit his foot which is his weak spot of his spot dodge.
I can explain more in a bit. But I'm with my lady friend and we are enjoying a movie just thought I would check in here.
B-throw -> DA starts really early on D3 which can get him offstage where Ike has clear advantages. Ike's Up B really messes with D3 in taking away his jumps and can take care of his recovery fairly well. Also if D3 does upB and lands if we power shield we get a free f smash. (Which I've known about for a while it's just no D3 really recovers on stage unless well they really have to.)
Sure there are things that we have to be very wary about but since Ike lives for so long we can get more advantages to kill him and him to also kill us. Holding jab isn't good against spot dodge. It's way to risky. You can do retreating Fair since it will hit his foot which is his weak spot of his spot dodge.
I can explain more in a bit. But I'm with my lady friend and we are enjoying a movie just thought I would check in here.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Marth IMO is a bit more technical to master, where as Ike just requires more precision due to the room for error in his attacks. I don't think one of us, who pick up Marth here and there can provide any solid details on which character would be better to use. Best to ask the Marth boards if you ask me.
Just realized something...didn't it used to show our character main somewhere near our username?
Just realized something...didn't it used to show our character main somewhere near our username?
Heartstring
Smash Legend
I would guess that the spacing with marth would be harder. But the fact that he can just chase D3 down once he's got him offstage make its that much easier to edgeguard him.
Also, good stuff with the ladyfriend. Get your Ftilt on man
It does, I've got it for mine. You have to go and re-select them in your profile preferences (or somewhere like that)
Ereth
Murda Bidness
How do you guys feel about the Ike vs. Marth MU?
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
I think it's bad. I argued for -2 but my colleagues see it as a hard -1. I'd suggest picking a secondary.
Not undoable but we get juggled hard, get gimped/edgeguarded very hard, and he can put a lot of pressure on our shield. There are some saving factors like Bair and Fair, dthrow>dash attack and the fact that if, somehow, your bair is fresh, you'll kill him much sooner than he will.
Not undoable but we get juggled hard, get gimped/edgeguarded very hard, and he can put a lot of pressure on our shield. There are some saving factors like Bair and Fair, dthrow>dash attack and the fact that if, somehow, your bair is fresh, you'll kill him much sooner than he will.