Ignore.

[ZeroL]

When there is a MU that doesn't have any info on it, I'll try to write something about it! Because of the Samus boards being inactive it's only natural it takes some time to fill this up.


EDIT:

Xyro, change Zerolucia to ZAAD in the Ike MU article. I'm Zerolucia, I've just changed my name!

 

[ZeroL]

Note to Xyro: You didn't put anything to the DDD section, and could you please change the Zerolucia to ZAAD ? Zerolucia is ME.

 

[Xyro77]

i hought i put it up. ok ill do it.

 

[_clinton]

I noticed something about DK's section in regards to his Bair that I feel is important to talk about in regards to it's speed, such as how he can throw out 2 of them in one short hop (he can also go Bair to Uair and there are some other double short hop aerials he can use that start with his very good Bair such as his side special).

 

[KillerJawz]

I noticed something about DK's section in regards to his Bair that I feel is important to talk about in regards to it's speed, such as how he can throw out 2 of them in one short hop (he can also go Bair to Uair and there are some other double short hop aerials he can use that start with his very good Bair such as his side special).

Yup, this is really nice to notice, but I already included that information when talking about off stage. We know that bair is a threat overall anyway .

Edit: Zelda Matchup is done. I have begun writing about the Luigi writeup.

 

[Xyro77]

KJ, i think u can edit the OP now that you are a mod. IF you can, go ahead and add your Zelda article to her section. Just please follow the format i already have in place.

 

[KillerJawz]

Added. I think I did it right ^__^

 

[ZeroL]

I don't want to be a douchebag or anything, but my DDD article isn't up there yet...

 

[KillerJawz]

With Xyro's permission, I'll put it up there if you want.

Im going to invite the Pika boards over for some sexy times <3.

Spoiler

In otherwords, we are now discussing Pikachu

 

[ZeroL]

KJ, i think u can edit the OP now that you are a mod. IF you can, go ahead and add your Zelda article to her section. Just please follow the format i already have in place.

@ KJ. I think this is directed towards all characters that don't have an article

 

[Conviction]

Foxes have started to discuss Samus. Input would be great!

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=10019076#post10019076

Thanks in advance!

 

[KillerJawz]

@ KJ. I think this is directed towards all characters that don't have an article

Xyro ONLY said Zelda. Therefore, only the Zelda article was edited.

Btw, my fox Writeup is done:


What do we think:

KillerJawz: 50-50

Noobicidal: 50-50

What does the opponent think:

45-55 Fox Favor

How does Samus win:

KillerJawz: Fox is a very tricky opponent, not quite the threat he was in Melee, but still can be pretty troublesome for Samus. Fox, unlike the other spacies, is actually VERY fast, so he effectivly dash out of shield when threatened by our spam, double missles deal with this EXTREMELY well, so be sure to continue applying pressure to his shield, since he will be attempting to power shield most of this. If he tries to pull out his reflector for the missles, change your patterns around, such as going for homing to power or power to charge shot, zairing his reflector is a very good idea, since it's easier to space for a tippered zair on a target that is not moving (obv).

When Fox gets in we have two major options, retreat to the ledge or get him out of there, the first being the easier option, but takes the fight to the ledge, staying on stage would be the second option. Fox can poke at our shield with jabs, tilts and even get us out of it with a pivot grab, but that puts us away from Fox, so this is a god send if a Fox decides to do this, we will take some lazer damage, but thats nothing compared to the hell we're going to give him. Zair him till he starts crying.

Fox has no amazing OoS options on us apart from Nair and Usmash, so Uairing his shield is pretty safe, still punishable though, so don't overuse it. Once you see an opportunity to poke his shield, GO FOR IT, ff'ed uair to upb is a good bet on this one.

What does Samus have to look out for:

KillerJawz Fox has some MAJOR damage rackers in this match. Dair being one of the best. When he drills into us, expect either a usmash at higher %s, a utilt at lower percentages or a shine if they feel like mixing it up, however, if he was to shine, our jab clanks with it, so we're pretty safe in that respect. Once Fox has us in the air, his uair comes out faster then our dair, I suggest DIing away from him whilst airdodging, it's a really predictable follow up and you shouldnt get hit by it. His ftilt has suprisingly good range, but obviously ours beats it in range, they both come out on frame 7 aswell, TAKE NOTE OF THIS.

Fox has two main killers that Samus has to be weary of, USmash and Uair (Samus has a very good horizontal momentum cancel so Fsmash couldn't be listed as a major threat, but it will KO around 150.) Usmash KOs Samus around 115, since she is so floaty, it's a threat to us, but you will more then likely have massive troubles landing it because a decent Samus will stick to the EDGE at high percentages.

Fox has a very nice nair which comes out on frame 8, however, most of our aerials come out quicker, and therefore, it's not as much of a threat, but remember this move has a disjoint if it is out for to long. Fox's dair can lead to utilt/uair combos, so be careful of these, they are pretty dangerous.

Shine is a very interesting move. It comes out on frame 3, has electrical hitstun and be used for Fox to stall. He can stay airborne for a very long time (even longer with then us with bombs) so it will be a bit harder to gimp him, just throw some homing missles / zair at him, and he will quickly attempt to get back. Shine can combo very nicely aswell, it has alot of hitstun so it combos pretty well on us and can gimp us OUT OF OUR BOMB STALLING, seriously this is very annoying, watch out for it

What stages should Samus counterpick / ban:

KillerJawz: Samus should counterpick rainbow cruise against Fox. His fall speed and overall air game make it VERY difficult for him to keep up. We can gimp him very easily here, and you should quite honestly be two stocking him here or at least JV two stocking. When the stage goes to the area with the magic carpets, always hop on them, they will move away from fox if he's trying to get on them, this is very useful for us since we dont DROP LIKE A STONE

Japes is a good place to. We can gimp him easily thanks to the water, and his main killing methods (Usmash and Uair) Don't work that well here, whilst our fsmash will kill Fox pretty nicely on this stage

Ban Yoshi's Island for god sake.

 

[Xyro77]

i added all the pics for the remainder of the cast. Please check the front page and see if im missing any characters. If you do see a missing char, PLEASE help me find that char standing with 3 of its kind(like 4 bowsers or 4 pikachus or 4 zeldas or 4 marths....ect)

 

[KillerJawz]

From what I can see you are missing no characters, good stuff Xyro ^^. Looks like the Pikachus are kinda dead :/

By the way, would you like me to add the D3 & / Or Fox writeups to the OP?

 

[Xyro77]

From what I can see you are missing no characters, good stuff Xyro ^^. Looks like the Pikachus are kinda dead :/

By the way, would you like me to add the D3 & / Or Fox writeups to the OP?

Yea go ahead. Ill add my part when i get a chance.

 

[KillerJawz]

Done ^^, when I get back from my five day smashfest I'll get some more stuff done if it needs to be completed.

 

[Hoe4u]

From what I can see you are missing no characters, good stuff Xyro ^^. Looks like the Pikachus are kinda dead :/

By the way, would you like me to add the D3 & / Or Fox writeups to the OP?

The Pika's arent dead KJ, half of us havent managed to get on smashboards due to 502 bad gateway

 

[Cherry64]

Always knew everyone hated pikachu, including the internet.

 

[Hoe4u]

Always knew everyone hated pikachu, including the internet.

no cherry64 you cant hate pikachu, we fairly go even with most of the cast (lol captain falcon)
so we have to pretty hard to mind game people....samus has got it very badly tho.

Oh and KJ i started using samus [im not lying] not seriously buh competitively if dat makes sense

 

[KillerJawz]

The pikas are dead, we have been active recently.

I will be forced to 3 stock you with Ganon if thats really the case.

 

[Cherry64]

KJ's got Gaaaaame. totally pissed off. Just got ditched by a hot *** girl, she was going to sleep at my place tonight, but noo, and I think she's lying to me as well.

 

[KillerJawz]

Just out of interest, have any of our Samuses played a decent Wario? I've literally never faced a good one tbh :/

 

[Cherry64]

i've played one online that would spam fsmash, which I hated because wario's Fsmash is like squirtles, he has super armour. I'd fsmash and then he'd fsmash, mine would hit him, and then I'd get railed by his and he wouldn't move AND continue his attack. I disliked it a lot. and he's going to approach guys, his aerial manoeuvrability is extreme, Missiles don't hit him to much as he can AVOID them in mid air. Z air, works some of the time, he's got a sweet air dodge though, it's a tough matchup that annoys me, but I don't recall it being like MK/Falco bad

 

[DtJ Composer]

There's a really exceptional Wario player in Indiana (Krystedez, won one of the AiB wifi ladders) whom I've played, though probably not enough yet to help with the matchup. I plan on sitting down with him and playing him quite a bit this weekend, however.

 

[CLove]

Your whole arguement is henceforth irrelivant.

When you say you've played these brawlers, I bet you havn't played them more then 5 times. I have played the MK MU countless times, it IS that bad. Samus cannot spam successful against MK if she could, then the MU wouldn't be as diabolical as it is.

Played my third tourney recently...

Took Domo's MK to deep last stock and 3rd game...

Basically threw the second game, because I was hyped from winning the first game...

I lost to upBoos, when he was at about 80+ last stock...

The matchup aint that bad...I am telling you.

 

[KillerJawz]

Played my third tourney recently...

Took Domo's MK to deep last stock and 3rd game...

Basically threw the second game, because I was hyped from winning the first game...

I lost to upBoos, when he was at about 80+ last stock...

The matchup aint that bad...I am telling you.

I have absolutly no clue who you are. I'll search for some footage after this:

I don't know who Domo is, and im up to date on the current player metagame aswell... 80+ Is not impressive for Samus, had you said 140%+, I would have been impressed.

Can you give me some thoughts just as to why you think this matchup isn't that bad?

 

[DtJ Composer]

CLove is actually pretty legit. I've seen him 2-stock Infern, so tourney experience aside he's a pretty good samus.

Not to justify his lack of info on why the match-up isn't that bad, just to say he's not just some random guy.

 

[KillerJawz]

CLove is actually pretty legit. I've seen him 2-stock Infern, so tourney experience aside he's a pretty good samus.

Infern the Snake, correct? That is therefore, unimpressive.

Not to justify his lack of info on why the match-up isn't that bad, just to say he's not just some random guy.

Well he has played some big names from what I hear, so yeah, even if he isn't random, I still have no clue who Domo is ;___;.

 

[JOE!]

not to backtrack or anything, but I may as well ask here:

For my last moveset in MYM, i remade Samus..in doing so I made the easter egg of her "Creature Lore", and with it came this picture:

now, would you guys want these as the pictures for your character discussions?

 

[Xyro77]

WOW that is actually very cool. Yea that would be awesome if we could have more of those

 

[CLove]

CLove is actually pretty legit. I've seen him 2-stock Infern, so tourney experience aside he's a pretty good samus.

Not to justify his lack of info on why the match-up isn't that bad, just to say he's not just some random guy.

yeah...that match happened at http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=258389 ...and infern won the tourney.

I didn't actually do well at my most recent tourney...it was bracket only, and a small group. After my set loss to Domo, I played my good friend Tmac (D3) and lost an extremely close set in unlucky fashion(TONS of Gordos).

I have been down on my practicing recently, but I am going to get back into it and start going to lot of tourneys...i will rep only Samus, because I believe any matchup is winnable.

I mean, i honestly believe that Samus v. MK is 40-60 AT WORST...but a lot of good people play Meta and not many good people play Samus, and most of the Samus players are afraid of MK, and see it as unwinnable which crushes their playstyle during the match.

Please don't hate me just because I believe that I can beat MKs, I'm not trying to be a jerk or even arrogant...just trying to inspire confidence.

 

[JOE!]

WOW that is actually very cool. Yea that would be awesome if we could have more of those

any preferances to start with?

 

[KillerJawz]

I didn't actually do well at my most recent tourney...it was bracket only, and a small group. After my set loss to Domo, I played my good friend Tmac (D3) and lost an extremely close set in unlucky fashion(TONS of Gordos).

D3 V Samus should never be that close, but props for doing well at least.

I have been down on my practicing recently, but I am going to get back into it and start going to lot of tourneys...i will rep only Samus, because I believe any matchup is winnable.

Many people began thinking like that, your mindset will soon change. I don't think you'll ever give up Samus, since many of us have no intention of doing that either, but what you need is a good whooping from a TOP MK. Xyro v M2K was just pure and utter abuse.

I mean, i honestly believe that Samus v. MK is 40-60 AT WORST...but a lot of good people play Meta and not many good people play Samus, and most of the Samus players are afraid of MK, and see it as unwinnable which crushes their playstyle during the match.

I don't fear MK. I just know that the MU is heavily in his favour, and for us to win, the MK would have to have a lack of experience or make some pretty heavy mistakes during a match. Read the

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writeup for MK v Samus again and then play a decent MK, I assure you, the matchup falls no lower then 70-30 minimum.

Please don't hate me just because I believe that I can beat MKs, I'm not trying to be a jerk or even arrogant...just trying to inspire confidence.

Oh im not hating on you for that, Im glad you still have hope. However, there are some matchups in the game, where skill level gaps are vital to win. You can beat a scrub MK with Samus, I have no doubts about this, or an MK who doesn't know the match up in the slightest. When it comes to the best of the best, like M2K, Tyrant, Dojo etc etc, the Samus will be lucky to get two stocks off, and I mean LUCKY.

 

[IsmaR]

Yay, I've gotten lucky before.

@JOE! - Falcon seems like a good first choice, IMO. Those are really good, though, having any at all would be awesome. Props2u

 

[KillerJawz]

Yay, I've gotten lucky before.

Here was me thinking that you were a virgin

 

[NO-IDea]

I'd sooner lean towards 60-40 MK than 70-30. I've taken countless high level MKs to last stock, mid percent or last hit, and I only blame myself for being outplayed as the factor. I know where I went wrong. And my mistakes aside, had I not made them, yes I probably would still lose when it comes to last hit because of frame advantage, but that certainly doesn't make it 70-30.

Any vids the Samus boards currently have on the MK MU completely skew it. (M2K v Xyro? He got outplayed 10:1. Anyone with a good set of smasher eyes could see that. It's because M2K is that good and I don't think Xyro's playstyle can win that kind of MU anyway.) If one really wanted to learn how to play the MK MU, they should research into lesser known players such as LanceStern's vids (he's okay at frame traps, needs improvement in other areas), then incorporate n00b's aggression and L!te's creativity. Add in decent tech skill and reaction time, and then you have a high level Samus capable of winning that MU.

D3 MU on the other hand is extremely hard to win. For such linear gameplay, it's also the exact kind character that can counter anything Samus has. 65:35 D3 without infinite. But still, many of Samus' popular MUs aren't as bad as people think. On the other hand, when Samus mains come here to complain about other MUs, they're only shot down because they're against the mainstream ratios. This is reference to characters such as Yoshi, Fox, Peach, Mario, etc.

Our MU thread is severely lacking. But that's okay, there are only like 4-6 character boards that have decent ratios and explanations anyway.

Clove, get some vids against a high level midwest MK. I want to see how you do.

 

[KillerJawz]

I'd sooner lean towards 60-40 MK than 70-30. I've taken countless high level MKs to last stock

So I don't have to read the rest yet since im lazy, I would like to say that you are NO-IDea, the guy that loves the MK matchup and is very experienced in it.

*Will edit later*

 

[CLove]

Clove, get some vids against a high level midwest MK. I want to see how you do.

Shame the replay didn't get saved game1 of me vs. domo : (

but yeah, hopefully i do get some vids up of me showing what I do in that matchup.

 

[CLove]

Many people began thinking like that, your mindset will soon change. I don't think you'll ever give up Samus, since many of us have no intention of doing that either, but what you need is a good whooping from a TOP MK. Xyro v M2K was just pure and utter abuse.

yeah, M2K outplayed him and you could tell that Xyro was playing, believing that he could nevr win.

I have taken beatings before, and felt frustrated...but I just try and keep a cool head, and come back and be better on another day, and frequently, I come back and beat people that have owned me.

To suggest that my mindset will soon change implies that I haven't been playing this game a long time...I have been playing since release...I just have only been playing weekly with the best players from my region for the past 7-8 months (and my confidence has only grown)

 

[KillerJawz]

Spoiler

No double posting

Yeah, that may be true, but you can't go up against M2K as Samus and expect to win, you can expect to do well, which Xyro did, but you just won't win...

I didn't imply you hadn't been playing the game long enough at all, I just meant that it will soon change once your trashed HARD enough, as myself and Xyro have both been by various MKs. Im not saying that everybody in your region is terrible (nearly everyone here is terrible anyway, so I can't talk about that) but there are better MKs, in better regions.