Ignore.

[IsmaR]

Tearbear johns.

Zelda: Bombs, Z-air, U-tilt and U-tilt.

 

[KillerJawz]

I said Discuss lol, but this tearbear stuff is amusing xD

 

[IsmaR]

I just played a Zelda today after like ____ days of rust from not playing. These are the things he said to me on my profile today.
Top that off with my sparring sessions with FIERCE lasting like 4 hours every other day back in the dayWi-Fi.

 

[Mr9]

I just played a Zelda today after like ____ days of rust from not playing. These are the things he said to me on my profile today.
Top that off with my sparring sessions with FIERCE lasting like 4 hours every other day back in the dayWi-Fi.

man i hate sore losers. i hang out with a guy that can never accept defeat he always johns about something.

 

[Smash G 0 D]

Thankfully MD/VA isn't too bad with john-ing.

 

[IsmaR]

We call it juan-ing where I come from.

Spoiler

Except kinda not really. And I wasn't serious 9, lol.

 

[LanceStern]

Thankfully MD/VA isn't too bad with john-ing.

Tearbear is awesome, don't hate. Now he's power ranked and just beat MikeHAZE today at our tourney.

 

[KillerJawz]

Tearbear is awesome, don't hate. Now he's power ranked and just beat MikeHAZE today at our tourney.

Marth v MK. The joy

 

[Mr9]

if marth could fly/glide he might as well be MK

 

[KillerJawz]

if marth could fly/glide he might as well be MK

You forgot:

Have 4 recovery options
MK's D smash
Nado....

And thousands of others lol. Marth is not even close to MK.

MK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marth

 

[DelxDoom]

Marth's forward air and dancing blade are the only things I can think of that Marth has over MK

dancing blade is pretty stupid good

 

[CLove]

Because MK can't:

*Gimp us stupidly easily
*KO us far easier then we kill him
*Juggle us stupidly easily
*Destroy our spam
*Wreck us close up
*Stop our ledge game COMPLETELY, this is one of perhaps three MUs where Samus cannot use her ledge game to an extent thats even near viable. You'll get the rare zair through stage/ missle/ CS/ insert move or AT here and then MK will rip you to pieces.



MK-Samus IS that bad. It's just that some Samus mains handle it a tad better then others, but if your not losing 4/5 of the matches you play with an MK, then either he's not good enough, or he doesnt know the MU.

I don't like to put other Samus mains down like this, but I just hate this MU to no end. This, Olimar and Falco are quite honestly my PERSONAL worst MUs.

Dude, the matchup is in your head....I have a great time with MK - Samus...because I have confidence in the matchup...

I don't feel like MKs KO me that easily....
I have success with spam against them...

I've played Overswarm, Anti a couple times...play with my local MO brawlers a lot, and they have some decent metas...Legan plays MK okay.

The only Samus matchup that is badly in my head is Olimar...and I still had FINO 110% last stock in our Bracket match at Hot Dickens...I just need to be more confident in the matchup, and I will get it...confidence is everything, IMO. Moves are placed better and with more conviction when one is confident. If you believe the Meta is going to wreck you, it probably will...

But, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you that it's not that bad a matchup...the community fears Meta...I don't.

I've only been to two tournaments...made it out of Pools both times, got 13th out of 48th at my first tourney...never used anyone but Samus.

I am curious what people think about the Kirby matchup....

 

[KillerJawz]

I've only been to two tournaments

Your whole arguement is henceforth irrelivant.

When you say you've played these brawlers, I bet you havn't played them more then 5 times. I have played the MK MU countless times, it IS that bad. Samus cannot spam successful against MK if she could, then the MU wouldn't be as diabolical as it is.

 

[LanceStern]

Let me say this, I don't fear MK. Only opponent I fear with Samus is Olimar. I'll beat a scrub MK that either doesn't play as well or is slightly more skilled but doesn't know the matchup.

With this confidence, I walked into my tourney this sunday with a confident stride on how to destroy MK.

Played Havok and Tearbear... yea it IS that bad.

- Evades our spam.
- DESTROYS us close up.
- KOs us ridiculous fast.
- Wrecks us in the air.
- Is much faster than us so he can catch us running away.
- Because he's so fast, his sh aerials and tornado are FASTER than our ftilt/utilt so we can't even anti-air him. (Faster in the sense we can't get correct spacing to throw them out)
- His out of shield game is nasty
- His aerials cancel so fast and our moves come out so slow that even if we shield and attempt to punish, he can shield-> OOS option. The fastest OOS we could do that would hit (if they space right you can't UPB OOS) is jab, and then he could downsmash you if you hit the jab. (unless you powershield. Even then dtilt can punish and maybe downsmash.)
- He beats us at the ledge. You can get some percents from here but he'll probably gimp you if you try long enough.
- If he uses tornado SMART then you'll have a nightmare trying to beat it.


It's nasty. I'm going to practice more tho.

At the same time, I do believe you are a good Samus Clove. Just play the metaknights about 4 to 5 times and they'll read you like a book soon enough.

 

[KillerJawz]

Lance, I have new found respect for you (On top of the respect I already had :3).

All of those reasons clearly justify now that you know just how hard this MU is. I'll admit this straight up, I'd rather face a Olimar then a MK aswell, but im glad you acknowledged it really is that bad

 

[DelxDoom]

samus vs olimar is easier than samus vs mk

o.o


treat olimar like a really small snake

 

[CLove]

@Lance: I'm sorry those MK's took your confidence...but somedays you will get crushed in a matchup, and it still could be totally different the next time. (playstyle trends, approach, confidence, momentum, etc.)

I hope the day doesn't come when I lose faith in Samus vs. MK...I will say that dtilt is brilliant against MK dash approaches, utilt messes up tornado early....and we CAN outrun tornado...placing Samus' up-b's is the key to the matchup, to avoid dair gimps...sometimes our recovery will look awkward because we use up-b at a stange time, but we must avoid the hit at all costs, and MKs can easily dair the top of our up b, so the move must be used at the right time or Samus will die.

also...dairing the shuttle loop is very possible if you go for it in the right spots...

@ddoom...I don't know if you have played good olimars, but I don't understand the small snake idea. Samus can outspam Snake....Samus cannot outspam Oli without taking 1000 damage in the process...

 

[DelxDoom]

ah well that difference I can understand.

What I am trying to get at is that Olimar has a lame off-stage game and his aerial game is also rather weak. His tricks with whistle still take damage and don't help versus our multi hit moves (one of the few advantages of having them!) and stuff.

I dunno, I used to play with an Olimar main a lot so maybe it's just a personal thing x_x

 

[Mr9]

treating olimar like a small snake?

hmm ill have to try it out

the last olimar i face 2 stacked me 4 times.

 

[KillerJawz]

Guys would someone be willing to do a writeup for some of these characters? Im going to give Xyro my updated Bowser one, could someone else do the same for a character we havn't discussed?

 

[Throwback]

Marth - fthrow to fair, counter, ability to hit projectiles, a true spike, a crazy powerful tippered fsmash are some things he has that MK doesn't. Just for sh*ts and giggles.

I would like to start a MK matchup thread so we can all play it as efficiently as possible but I'm kinda lazy. I have started on it, maybe I will post something in the coming weeks. If so it'll have MK's frame data and attempt to be comprehensive.

 

[DelxDoom]

I think my main strategy against olimar was grabbing a lot

 

[LanceStern]

That's generally my mindset playing Olimar. Honestly I CP with peach, but if I'm forced to do Samus matchup it's only:

Zairs
Zairs
Dairs and an occasional dtilt or dsmash if they've gotten really close to me
Zairs
Zairs
Grab grab grab and throw them off the stage.

That's my only mindset, to get them off the stage. Maybe if I threw them UP every now and then and uaired it could get me somewhere. But I take so much damage from Pikmin and his moves outprioritizing everything that I just try for the gimp

 

[DelxDoom]

Hmmm, spotdodge up b can be somewhat effective in this matchup since you kick off pikmin. Don't do this on FD too much though x_x

You just really don't want to be grabbed, and so play to that.

His main KO moves are still just usmash, close dsmash/fsmash, and fair. and blue bthrow/purple uthrow

 

[Mr9]

Guys would someone be willing to do a writeup for some of these characters? Im going to give Xyro my updated Bowser one, could someone else do the same for a character we havn't discussed?

the problem here is that we have discussed all of the overplayed characters, now we are coming down to the ones you dont see much of anymore... i can contribute to a diddy or a TL match-up but cant start the article due the fact that i havent played enough of them to make my strategy valid. and since my samus plays very differently than than everybody ells' it we'll be very situational.

 

[KillerJawz]

the problem here is that we have discussed all of the overplayed characters, now we are coming down to the ones you dont see much of anymore... i can contribute to a diddy or a TL match-up but cant start the article due the fact that i havent played enough of them to make my strategy valid. and since my samus plays very differently than than everybody ells' it we'll be very situational.

You do have valid points, however, we must remember that the majority of us can contribute at least something, that's why I offered to do a duo writeup.

I've played the Diddy matchup more then enough now, and I've recieved more wins against our top diddy over here, so the strategies I've implemnted against him are working.

I feel I could contribute to the writeups for Zero Suit and Diddy Kong. I'll be doing my writeup for Zero Suit soon, once I've done it, you guys can give feedback and hopefulyl Xyro will add to it the front page

 

[LanceStern]

His main KO moves are still just usmash, close dsmash/fsmash, and fair. and blue bthrow/purple uthrow

Which are roughly 5 more moves than our KO move (dtilt) we have to watch for.

 

[DelxDoom]

It's olimar. Your best bet is offstage pressure for KOs.

My point about his "simple" (not completely) KO moves is that you outrange them with zair.

 

[Muz]

Talking about olimar, what do you guys find the best way to get pikmin off of you? I like to nair as it covers most of samus's body and will hit pikmin being thrown at you at the same time.

How well does madly pressing buttons work at getting pikmin off of you? I was thinking about incorporating some button mashing during my nairs to get the ones off that the nair misses, but its a hard habit to get used to.

 

[KillerJawz]

If your near the edge, I find falling uair gets rid of plenty of Pikmin and allows you to play your edge game really well.... IS ANYONE WRITING THIS DOWN? D:

 

[DelxDoom]

samus is huge and has no easy one move that gets rid of all of them except up b which leaves you vulnerable.

I do use uair/fair and unpunishable jabs and stuff when I know I can hit the pikmin


Olimar is a huge experience-based matchup

one thing i need to try is bomb. with pikmin on, the bomb should explode sooner.

 

[IsmaR]

Does no one know what the **** U-tilt is?

 

[Mr9]

You do have valid points, however, we must remember that the majority of us can contribute at least something, that's why I offered to do a duo writeup.

I've played the Diddy matchup more then enough now, and I've recieved more wins against our top diddy over here, so the strategies I've implemnted against him are working.

I feel I could contribute to the writeups for Zero Suit and Diddy Kong. I'll be doing my writeup for Zero Suit soon, once I've done it, you guys can give feedback and hopefulyl Xyro will add to it the front page

cool i will be more than happy to contribute to the diddy matchup


@Ismar dude Utilt is my favorite move against olimar.

 

[Muz]

Ismar, are you suggesting uptilt to get rid of pikmin?

And does anyone have any suggestions about button mashing to get rid of pikmin faster? I want to button mash without doing random moves, is there any move that this works well with, or is it not worth it?

 

[Mr9]

Ismar, are you suggesting uptilt to get rid of pikmin?

And does anyone have any suggestions about button mashing to get rid of pikmin faster? I want to button mash without doing random moves, is there any move that this works well with, or is it not worth it?

yes up tilt all the way

 

[DelxDoom]

button mashing is not a good idea

 

[Mr9]

button mashing is not a good idea

this is correct what game do you think this is TvC?

 

[Muz]

Let me clarify what I meant by button mashing. For example, when you get grabbed, you can rapidly press buttons and rotate the sticks to get out of grab quicker. Now to continue this example to pikmin latched onto you: it seems the more you press buttons, the quicker they will fall off, even if you don't hit them directly. Obviously you are not going to randomly press buttons the second a pikmin lands on you, otherwise you leave yourself wide open if you do some laggy move by mistake. What I meant was:

After getting a pikmin on you, start a move that is likely to hit it off, but DURING THE ANIMATION OF THAT MOVE you can press some extra buttons to help get them off faster, which is important if that move misses the pikmin. So my question was, are there certain moves that are safer for this type of strategy?

Theres also the possibility of timing a spot dodge/airdodge/roll with button mashing during the lag to avoid all damage from the pikmin, but this seems riskier.

I thought this was obvious by my statement, but apparently I didn't make what I meant clear enough.

Next time I face an olimar, I'll definitely try using uptilt and bombs and will let you know how well it works.

 

[Smash G 0 D]

It seems that it gets Pikmin off faster. I won't believe it until you show me proof because otherwise I could just rotate the sticks really fast.

And if you just mash buttons during an Utilt/Bomb animation you'll probably end up buffering some other move, lol.

 

[NO-IDea]

OR you can shield dash approach with f-tilt, outside of grab range. Olimar can only do two throws per short hop. If you hold down shield, the Pikmin fly through you. Of course, eventually they'll switch up into dash grabbing, but it's an option regardless.

U-tilt is meh. What's the point of getting them off you in a standing position? He's just going to pluck and camp more. You're better off air dodging->z-air, or if he's shielding, dash grab.

Slightly on a related note, SG, have you played PS before?