If you were in charge of roster picking for an upcoming Smash!!

[Luigi The President]

Xenosaga and Xenoblade are part of the same franchise; I just used the wrong term to describe it off memory (I'm not huge on the Xeno series). And yes, that doesn't make me a joke, it's an honest mistake.



Metroid is absolutely more important than having Shulk, because Metroid's been around for far longer than the Xeno series and by the time a new Smash is made, there's no doubt that Prime 4 is going to be released, making it even easier to justify some new blood on the Metroid side of things.

And guess what? People said there's no reason for Wolf not to return from Brawl to Smash 4, and he didn't return. Clearly, "no reason not to return" isn't a valid criteria for adding characters, otherwise we'd have had Wolf in Smash 4 as DLC. Iconic or not, Xeno is not a huge seller compared to, say, Mario, Donkey Kong or Metroid in the West. It's sold decently well, yes, but it's by no means a staple of Nintendo's history (like, say, Splatoon is).



A) She is a joke character, just not the kind that's purposefully made terrible. A surprise character was Mega Man, who everybody wanted but nobody was confident in. WFT is a character nobody expected or wanted, but we got anyways.


Why not? Makes as much sense as anything else in Smash, and Alex is that off-the-wall kind of pick that Sakurai loves going for over the more expected characters when he has the chance.


Ganondorf in Smash is a Ganondorf In Name Only, so at this point the only way to make a Ganondorf that's actually representative of his appearances in canon is to just replace him with the original Ganon.


Alex is, again, that same kind of off-the-wall Sakurai pick that WFT was. Heihachi and Jin are just so predictable that I couldn't see Sakurai going through with it; he loves curveballing us, after all.

Galacta Knight is a new character that could share some art assets with Meta Knight (base body, skeleton) but differ in fighting style, animations and other assets (using a lance and shield instead of a sword, feathery wings instead of leathery wings). Perfect way to get an extra Kirby character who isn't a generic enemy with a bandana without stretching the dev team too much.

Pulseman is the one thing I will admit is a bit of a stretch, but I feel like he'd be a really cool choice, especially since he represents a mostly-forgotten portion of GameFreak's history.


Gilius is a pretty well-liked retro character (hell, he's popped up in Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed, unlike Jack Frost), so I feel like he may have a better chance to get into Smash then Jack Frost, especially since he seems pretty suited for Smash as a heavyweight axe user. Not that I think Jack Frost is impossible, but knowing Sakurai's penchance for retro characters, I'd think Gilius is more likely.



Tyrantrum is a character that really can't be a clone of anything on the roster since he's so vastly different from them, so he's a safe pick for a Pokemon character at least for those that wouldn't be able to be clones of existing Pokemon characters.

Mario is a franchise that is incredibly hard to make satisfactory, especially since there's so many characters people want. I went with Waluigi alone because A) He's probably one of the more notable characters thanks to his newfound meme-lord status and B) I really feel like Wario needs a proper buddy for team battles. Mario has his bro/sidekick as a Team Battle partner, so Wario I feel should have his sidekick as a Team Battle partner.

I feel like Paper Mario could be a good candidate for DLC for this hypothetical game, especially depending on weither Color Splash does well in that idea. I had a lot of characters I felt could have been included but ultimately had to shave off for DLC, simply to try and avoid overbloating the base roster and leaving nothing for possible DLC. Same with Captain Toad.

As for Ganondorf....maybe, but he'd be radically different from his original Smash moveset, and much more akin to the moveset Project Ganondorf has in store for him. That's why I chose Ganon over Dorf initially; I want a Ganon that's actually going to fight like Ganon does, not like a slow and sluggish Captain Falcon wannabe.

Metroid, as a franchise, is something of an odd beast; because it doesn't do as well in Japan as it does in the States, it makes it harder to really balance it for both demographics in terms of Smash representation. I figured that I may as well cover all the most requested bases just so that those fans can finally be satisfied, since Lord knows we've been starved for attention from the Big N for long stretches.

Besides, if I add just two of the popular Metroid picks, I'm only going to make the shafted group even more angry. Better to add all three and please everyone than add two and piss off the third group.

As for Galacta Knight, I really do think he'd be a character that would be unique enough from the other Kirby characters to warrant a place on this roster. Besides him, I've only really ever seen serious requests for Bandana Dee (whom I'd probably add as DLC anyways, just to use the "DeeLC" pun! ). Besides, he's got a pair of weapons nobody in Smash has ever used before; a lance and shield. He's already winning uniqueness points with that.

Okay but you're removing an entire series and adding 3 more Metroid characters. Just think about it. Dude, you're biased, and that's okay, but you have to understand it makes 0 sense to do that.

Except now we all love her. Things can change, y'know. Now majority want and expect her in Smash 5.

Okay, but Sakurai officialy has said he considered Heihachi. Plus, I don't think Sakurai would go "im le master troll" and add Alex, a character I'm fairly certain only you want, over huge fan-favorites like Heihachi, just for funsies.

Ganondorf's moveset is just iconic for Smash now. Plus Captain Falcon is technically Falcon in name only.

When Transformed was released Jack was not owned by Sega. Plus Jack can use tons of magic, making him have a just as battle-ready moveset as Gillus. Plus Jack is, I'm fairly certain, even OLDER and MORE retro then Gillus, so that's some faulty logic. Plus, Bayonetta? None of the 3rd parties are even retro, they're all retro AS WELL AS modern these days. Is Gillus really even modern?

Heihachi/Jin are predictable but a good choice that fans want. Is Waluigi predictable? Yes. Is he one of the most wanted Smash characters? Yes! Meanwhile, you're adding Alex for the sake of surprise.

Ohh boy the notorious "waddle dee with a bandana" logic. True in appearance and name, RADICALLY different in moveset. Bandana Dee would bring a spear to the table, for one. Really, why would we NEED an extra Kirby character? 4 is just fine.

But you specifically only pleased the Metroid group. You displeased the Xenoblade fans (Shulk), Wii Fit fans (Wii Fit Trainer), and even some of the Kid Icarus fans (Dark Pit).

You seriously can't just compare Wolf, a side character from a series dead at the time who was a semi-clone, to Shulk, a completely original protagonist from a new and very alive series.

You are RIDICUOUSLY repping Metroid. You literally dropped a series for it! And as Venus of the Desert Bloom said, a new Metroid Prime may not be as realistic as you think.

Funny, then, that there's an entire Wikipedia article dedicated to this "non-existant" Xeno series that includes Xenoblade. Doesn't really matter what the game was called during it's development (we'd be calling the Banjo series the "Project Dream series" if that were true), the game's official title is "Xenoblade Chronicles", not "Monado". It's a part of the Xeno franchise, like it or not. May not have started development as part of the franchise, but it became a part of that franchise and was released as part of that franchise.


Wolf isn't a clone, though. He shares similar moves to Fox and Falco, but they all act very differently from those two. He's at worst a Luigification of the moveset, and the only really cloned portion of Wolf's entire moveset is his Final Smash. Sure, Shulk isn't a clone, but neither was Wolf. So yeah, I can compare the two.

Also, Star Fox wasn't dead when Brawl came out! Star Fox Command came out in 2006, only two years before Brawl released. That's not a dead franchise. F-Zero is a dead franchise. Star Fox is not.


A) Who wouldn't jump at the chance of having Elma be DLC (thus meaning profits because people really want her playable in Smash)? She'd be 100% DLC, no question.
B) I think a lot more people want more Metroid, Star Fox and DK content then people want more Xenoblade/saga/gears/Xeno franchise content. That's the truth.
C) Xenoblade is BY NO MEANS AT ALL deserving of being placed higher on the food chain than Metroid. You know, the franchise that pioneered female protagonists in video games that weren't basically clones of male characters with sterootypically female things slapped on? That's a waaaay more important franchise than a single, somewhat popular JRPG series in a veritable flood of JRPG series.

Xenoblade is good, yes, but it's by no means "more important" than the franchise that singlehandedly changed the industry. That's the truth here. I'd seriously put the franchise that changed the industry over a decently-sucessful JRPG anyday.

Dude, Wolf wasn't a clone; but he was at least 30% Fox. Shulk is entirely his own thing.

I think that you can't speak for an entire fandom. And before you say it; I may've spoken for fans not wanting Alex but I say this because in my multiple Smash fandom years I have never seen a single Alex fan.

Literally no one disputed number 3, but nice job putting down Xenoblade as a series. We're discussing the AMOUNT OF REPS here, not how much you like the series.

Also, while I understand the DLC perspective, you're getting way too into it.

Overall, I apologise if I sound rude with all this, but I just don't think either of these 2 posts are right.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

No one said that


All that was said was Xenoblade not having its entire series cut is more important than adding 4 side characters from Metroid.

I'd hesitate to call Ridley a "side character", especially since he's integral to Samus' backstory. And even with Xenoblade, I'd probably have Elma as DLC anyways, and Gaur Plains would still be present. Sure, Shulk wouldn't be playable, but Xenoblade would have still been treated better than the Ice Climbers were in Smash 4.

Only by technicality.

This is like calling DK a Mario character due to some similarities.

Each series is entirely its own.

Actually, DK is technically a Mario character; he appears in Mario games, and he debuted in the same game as Mario. He may be more associated with his own series now, but DK has never stopped being a Mario character.

Again, we have the Xenosaga, Xenogears and Xenoblade series under the Xeno series/franchise. Shulk appears in Xenoblade, so we can classify him as a Xeno character; because Xenoblade is a series under the Xeno series. Donkey Kong appears in both Donkey Kong Country and Mario Kart, so we can classify him as both a character from the epynomous franchise as well as a Mario character.

Okay but you're removing an entire series and adding 3 more Metroid characters. Just think about it. Dude, you're biased, and that's okay, but you have to understand it makes 0 sense to do that.

Of course I'm biased; everybody is biased! Nobody can not be tainted by biases. Of course if you like Metroid, you'd want more Metroid characters; just like how you'd want more Xenoblade characters if you like Xenoblade or how you'd want more Star Fox characters if you like Star Fox.

That's how humans operate; we have biases. I can't forget my own biases just because of a damn fantasy roster, so obviously they influence my choices.

Except now we all love her. Things can change, y'know. Now majority want and expect her in Smash 5.

Right. So does everybody love her for the character herself, or do they love the memes that ended up spawning from the character? Because I remember seeing a ****ton of bile hurled Sakurai's way when she was announced, and it only died down once the memes started rolling in.

Okay, but Sakurai officialy has said he considered Heihachi. Plus, I don't think Sakurai would go "im le master troll" and add Alex, a character I'm fairly certain only you want, over huge fan-favorites like Heihachi, just for funsies.

And yet he added Corrin, a character I'm fairly certain only Fire Emblem fans wanted, over huge fan-favourites like King K.Rool, Wolf and Snake.

And of course he's not going to be a troll about it, but Sakurai almost NEVER goes for the expected characters, so while he may have considered Heihachi, there's nothing to say he couldn't also have considered more goofy and out-there Tekken characters as well.

Ganondorf's moveset is just iconic for Smash now. Plus Captain Falcon is technically Falcon in name only.

Being iconic for this franchise isn't a reason to break one of Sakurai's own rules regarding characters; they need to represent the series they originate from. Ganondorf does virtually nothing his LoZ self does in Smash! No swordplay, no magic spells, no floating around, hell not even a trident as part of his moveset.

And Captain Falcon has never even fought on foot in F-Zero, so we don't know if he doesn't also use moves like he does in Smash. I'd think he does, since he is a bounty hunter and a racer, who'd need to keep in good shape to be effective...

When Transformed was released Jack was not owned by Sega. Plus Jack can use tons of magic, making him have a just as battle-ready moveset as Gillus. Plus Jack is, I'm fairly certain, even OLDER and MORE retro then Gillus, so that's some faulty logic. Plus, Bayonetta? None of the 3rd parties are even retro, they're all retro AS WELL AS modern these days. Is Gillus really even modern?

Jack Frost isn't even a character who's from Megami Tensei; he's a piece of folklore who was adapted into a character for the Megami Tensei series. And while he may be older, I don't think most people would associate him as a Sega character; they'd think of the folklore tale first. Gilius is at least recognizable as a Sega character.

Heihachi/Jin are predictable but a good choice that fans want. Is Waluigi predictable? Yes. Is he one of the most wanted Smash characters? Yes! Meanwhile, you're adding Alex for the sake of surprise.

And again, what's so wrong with spicing things up a bit?

Making a by-the-numbers "what fans want happens now" roster isn't going to be much fun for anybody; the dev team doesn't get to make out-there choices, there's no shocking reveals for the fandom and speculation would basically be entierly useless because you'd only need to select which big-choice characters you think would be revealed next and hope you predict right of that small pool. At least by throwing curveballs, there's excitement to the roster reveals.

Ohh boy the notorious "waddle dee with a bandana" logic. True in appearance and name, RADICALLY different in moveset. Bandana Dee would bring a spear to the table, for one. Really, why would we NEED an extra Kirby character? 4 is just fine.

I never said that Bandana Dee isn't optimal because of his generic nature, I just said it'd be easier to work with Galacta Knight since he's already so similar to Meta Knight that it'd work well. Again, this kind of thing is why DLC exists; to add stuff that I wouldn't be able to have made during development into the game after launch.

But you specifically only pleased the Metroid group. You displeased the Xenoblade fans (Shulk), Wii Fit fans (Wii Fit Trainer), and even some of the Kid Icarus fans (Dark Pit).

Dude, nobody found Dark Pit a good pick. Not even Kid Icarus fans, who all would have much rathered Medusa, Viridi or Hades over Edgy the Pitty. And yes, having to cut Shulk and WFT isn't something I like doing, but if I'm developing a game, you have to make this kind of hard choice.

Trust me, I wouldn't like seeing Shulk and WFT cut out of Smash either (I'm no sadist who enjoys the tears of fans), but we need to accept that sometimes people can't always get what they want. And game development isn't just a fun little time-waster, especially not a game so anticipated as a Smash title. If I had to choose between keeping a veteran character that you can still play with in the last game and adding a new character that a lot of people pour their hearts and souls into supporting against all odds, I'd honestly go with adding the new character because that is both something new and something that would make a ton of hype.

You seriously can't just compare Wolf, a side character from a series dead at the time who was a semi-clone, to Shulk, a completely original protagonist from a new and very alive series.

Yes, I can, because A) Star Fox wasn't dead when Brawl was released (Command was only two years before Brawl!) and B) People really wanted Wolf back in Smash this time, and not nearly as many people were clamoring for Shulk until Gematsu came about. :/

And Wolf isn't a clone, at least not any clone I'd think of; he's at worst a Luigification, because ALL OF HIS MOVES have distinctions from Fox and Falco's movesets.

You are RIDICUOUSLY repping Metroid. You literally dropped a series for it! And as Venus of the Desert Bloom said, a new Metroid Prime may not be as realistic as you think.

...except we are getting a new Metroid Prime, though; they've already confirmed it is happening. How can it be unrealistic to want a game we already know is being made? :/

Dude, Wolf wasn't a clone; but he was at least 30% Fox. Shulk is entirely his own thing.

30% is an overstatement, dude. The only move Wolf had that was a direct copy of Fox's was his Final Smash; so at best it's like 5% Fox. Everything else behaved so differently to Fox's or Falco's that they were at worst just shared attack ideas.

I think that you can't speak for an entire fandom. And before you say it; I may've spoken for fans not wanting Alex but I say this because in my multiple Smash fandom years I have never seen a single Alex fan.

And nobody saw any serious Wii Fit Trainer fans before she was confirmed. Nobody saw any Mr. Game & Watch or Ice Climbers fans before they were confirmed. (granted, this was a long time ago so my memory may be fuzzy on it...) Hell, I saw not a single soul who wanted R.O.B in Smash. Hell, going back to the original, nobody would have guessed Ness and Captain Falcon would be playable in a Nintendo fighter back then.

There's always been characters nobody asked for in this series, dude.

Literally no one disputed number 3, but nice job putting down Xenoblade as a series. We're discussing the AMOUNT OF REPS here, not how much you like the series.

Putting down Xenoblade? What, because I said that Xenoblade is just a JRPG in a flood of JRPG's? That's not putting it down, that's just being blunt. I'd be putting Xenoblade down if I said it was one of the worst JRPG's ever made, not just by saying it's one in a million as far as JRPG's go.

I don't even hate Xenoblade! I'm just saying it's not as significant to gaming as Metroid. Again, that's not even opinion; Xenoblade doesn't have the title of franchise with the most shocking reveal of all time, and the honor of pioneering the concept of a female main character in a video game franchise. That propels Metroid well above Xenoblade, in my opinion. And again, sometimes you need to make hard choices to make deadlines.

Would I want to cut Shulk? No, of course not! But if it came down to the wire and I had to choose between keeping Shulk and adding a new character with a lot of support behind them, I'd go with a crowd-pleaser. Hell, I'd be making custom fighters an entirely different way already; just add a Shulk trophy, Shulk's voiceclips and announcer clip and make his moveset available as a custom preset and bam, he's already there in a form. Sure, it's not the same as him being his own character, but at least it's something of a compromise to please fans.

Also, while I understand the DLC perspective, you're getting way too into it.

Overall, I apologise if I sound rude with all this, but I just don't think either of these 2 posts are right.

No, it's fine. But on the DLC thing, I was thinking of going on a Hyrule Warriors-like DLC system; basically, there's free updates for patches and you can buy some themed content packs that have new characters, stages and other such things. So a Zelda content pack could contain, as an example, the revamped Ganondorf and Midna as new characters, Ganon's Tower and Zant's Throne stages and some new Zelda-themed cosmetics for Mii Fighters.

They'd probably be similarly priced to Hyrule Warriors DLC, too.

 

[Luigi The President]

I'd hesitate to call Ridley a "side character", especially since he's integral to Samus' backstory. And even with Xenoblade, I'd probably have Elma as DLC anyways, and Gaur Plains would still be present. Sure, Shulk wouldn't be playable, but Xenoblade would have still been treated better than the Ice Climbers were in Smash 4.


Actually, DK is technically a Mario character; he appears in Mario games, and he debuted in the same game as Mario. He may be more associated with his own series now, but DK has never stopped being a Mario character.

Again, we have the Xenosaga, Xenogears and Xenoblade series under the Xeno series/franchise. Shulk appears in Xenoblade, so we can classify him as a Xeno character; because Xenoblade is a series under the Xeno series. Donkey Kong appears in both Donkey Kong Country and Mario Kart, so we can classify him as both a character from the epynomous franchise as well as a Mario character.

The name he debuted in was named after him, though. So it's technically his game. It's all about the technicals.

You are so terribly reluctant to just add in Shulk for the sake of repping it even though it's just one more character. It hurts nobody, reps an entire series, and makes fans happy.

And even if Ridley is not a side character, Sylux and Dark Samus are.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I wouldn't bet on that, actually; E3's coming up, and Nintendo knows that people are anxious about Federation Force. I would place money that they're going to give us our first proper look at Prime 4 this E3, especially if they're showcasing the NX there; after all, what better way to get into our good graces than by revealing Prime 4 for the first time there? We already know it's being developed, and we know Sylux is going to play a major role in it, so it's probably been chugging along for a while; if I had to hazard, possibly since about when FedForce itself was being developed in 2010.

I'd place myself confident, then, that if Ridley's not in FedForce, he will be in Prime 4. No question.

I was being sarcastic and slightly salty since Nintendo tends to make giant dumps on the poor Metroid franchise and, to show they still "care" about us, gives us Chibi-Metroid. They tend to take what fans want for the Metroid franchise and does exactly what they don't want and then expect us to be happy about a new lackluster addition to the franchise. As much as I would love Prime 4 or even an open-world Metroid game to release; I am not betting on it as the odds are never in Metroid's favor.

Still though, IF we do see Prime 4 and IF Ridley/Sylus/Dark Samus does return, they would be excellent additions to the roster. Sylux intrigues me as using high-tech alien weaponry and equipment to erect stasis fields and homing electronic drones to pester opponents.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

I was being sarcastic and slightly salty since Nintendo tends to make giant dumps on the poor Metroid franchise and, to show they still "care" about us, gives us Chibi-Metroid. They tend to take what fans want for the Metroid franchise and does exactly what they don't want and then expect us to be happy about a new lackluster addition to the franchise. As much as I would love Prime 4 or even an open-world Metroid game to release; I am not betting on it as the odds are never in Metroid's favor.

Still though, IF we do see Prime 4 and IF Ridley/Sylus/Dark Samus does return, they would be excellent additions to the roster. Sylux intrigues me as using high-tech alien weaponry and equipment to erect stasis fields and homing electronic drones to pester opponents.

To be fair, we still know Prime 4 is coming; they've already confirmed it, and it's probably just being moved to the NX. I don't doubt E3 will debut Prime 4 in some capacity...and maybe if we do get that Smash for NX announcement, we could get a new Metroid character in the game if they do plan on making additional content for it.

 

[Autumn ♫]

To be fair, we still know Prime 4 is coming; they've already confirmed it, and it's probably just being moved to the NX. I don't doubt E3 will debut Prime 4 in some capacity...and maybe if we do get that Smash for NX announcement, we could get a new Metroid character in the game if they do plan on making additional content for it.

When did they confirm Prime 4? Unless you're talking about Federation Force, then nvm,

 

[A Distant Demon]

When did they confirm Prime 4? Unless you're talking about Federation Force, then nvm,

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-06-17-next-proper-metroid-prime-would-likely-now-be-on-nx
Soft confirmation but it seems inevitable if you ask me.

 

[Bebe Mignon]

Regarding the discussion about the Xenoblade series in future Smash games, I strongly believe Shulk is here to stay. I also believe that Smash 5 will have a second Xenoblade rep. As of now, Elma and Cross are the biggest contenders.

I suspect Elma will return in a sequel(s) because of the huge sequel bait after the conclusion of the main story. Plus, the fact that she

Spoiler

shares a strikingly similar design to KOS-MOS from the Xenosaga games leads me to believe that Elma will be the face of the Xenoblade X games.

Cross is also a major contender due to their status as the main playable character outside of the main plot. I'm not sure they'll return in subsequent sequels, but I cannot deny their popularity and importance to XCX.

 

[Luigi The President]

I'd hesitate to call Ridley a "side character", especially since he's integral to Samus' backstory. And even with Xenoblade, I'd probably have Elma as DLC anyways, and Gaur Plains would still be present. Sure, Shulk wouldn't be playable, but Xenoblade would have still been treated better than the Ice Climbers were in Smash 4.


Actually, DK is technically a Mario character; he appears in Mario games, and he debuted in the same game as Mario. He may be more associated with his own series now, but DK has never stopped being a Mario character.

Again, we have the Xenosaga, Xenogears and Xenoblade series under the Xeno series/franchise. Shulk appears in Xenoblade, so we can classify him as a Xeno character; because Xenoblade is a series under the Xeno series. Donkey Kong appears in both Donkey Kong Country and Mario Kart, so we can classify him as both a character from the epynomous franchise as well as a Mario character.


Of course I'm biased; everybody is biased! Nobody can not be tainted by biases. Of course if you like Metroid, you'd want more Metroid characters; just like how you'd want more Xenoblade characters if you like Xenoblade or how you'd want more Star Fox characters if you like Star Fox.

That's how humans operate; we have biases. I can't forget my own biases just because of a damn fantasy roster, so obviously they influence my choices.



Right. So does everybody love her for the character herself, or do they love the memes that ended up spawning from the character? Because I remember seeing a ****ton of bile hurled Sakurai's way when she was announced, and it only died down once the memes started rolling in.


And yet he added Corrin, a character I'm fairly certain only Fire Emblem fans wanted, over huge fan-favourites like King K.Rool, Wolf and Snake.

And of course he's not going to be a troll about it, but Sakurai almost NEVER goes for the expected characters, so while he may have considered Heihachi, there's nothing to say he couldn't also have considered more goofy and out-there Tekken characters as well.


Being iconic for this franchise isn't a reason to break one of Sakurai's own rules regarding characters; they need to represent the series they originate from. Ganondorf does virtually nothing his LoZ self does in Smash! No swordplay, no magic spells, no floating around, hell not even a trident as part of his moveset.

And Captain Falcon has never even fought on foot in F-Zero, so we don't know if he doesn't also use moves like he does in Smash. I'd think he does, since he is a bounty hunter and a racer, who'd need to keep in good shape to be effective...


Jack Frost isn't even a character who's from Megami Tensei; he's a piece of folklore who was adapted into a character for the Megami Tensei series. And while he may be older, I don't think most people would associate him as a Sega character; they'd think of the folklore tale first. Gilius is at least recognizable as a Sega character.


And again, what's so wrong with spicing things up a bit?

Making a by-the-numbers "what fans want happens now" roster isn't going to be much fun for anybody; the dev team doesn't get to make out-there choices, there's no shocking reveals for the fandom and speculation would basically be entierly useless because you'd only need to select which big-choice characters you think would be revealed next and hope you predict right of that small pool. At least by throwing curveballs, there's excitement to the roster reveals.


I never said that Bandana Dee isn't optimal because of his generic nature, I just said it'd be easier to work with Galacta Knight since he's already so similar to Meta Knight that it'd work well. Again, this kind of thing is why DLC exists; to add stuff that I wouldn't be able to have made during development into the game after launch.


Dude, nobody found Dark Pit a good pick. Not even Kid Icarus fans, who all would have much rathered Medusa, Viridi or Hades over Edgy the Pitty. And yes, having to cut Shulk and WFT isn't something I like doing, but if I'm developing a game, you have to make this kind of hard choice.

Trust me, I wouldn't like seeing Shulk and WFT cut out of Smash either (I'm no sadist who enjoys the tears of fans), but we need to accept that sometimes people can't always get what they want. And game development isn't just a fun little time-waster, especially not a game so anticipated as a Smash title. If I had to choose between keeping a veteran character that you can still play with in the last game and adding a new character that a lot of people pour their hearts and souls into supporting against all odds, I'd honestly go with adding the new character because that is both something new and something that would make a ton of hype.


Yes, I can, because A) Star Fox wasn't dead when Brawl was released (Command was only two years before Brawl!) and B) People really wanted Wolf back in Smash this time, and not nearly as many people were clamoring for Shulk until Gematsu came about. :/

And Wolf isn't a clone, at least not any clone I'd think of; he's at worst a Luigification, because ALL OF HIS MOVES have distinctions from Fox and Falco's movesets.


...except we are getting a new Metroid Prime, though; they've already confirmed it is happening. How can it be unrealistic to want a game we already know is being made? :/



30% is an overstatement, dude. The only move Wolf had that was a direct copy of Fox's was his Final Smash; so at best it's like 5% Fox. Everything else behaved so differently to Fox's or Falco's that they were at worst just shared attack ideas.


And nobody saw any serious Wii Fit Trainer fans before she was confirmed. Nobody saw any Mr. Game & Watch or Ice Climbers fans before they were confirmed. (granted, this was a long time ago so my memory may be fuzzy on it...) Hell, I saw not a single soul who wanted R.O.B in Smash. Hell, going back to the original, nobody would have guessed Ness and Captain Falcon would be playable in a Nintendo fighter back then.

There's always been characters nobody asked for in this series, dude.


Putting down Xenoblade? What, because I said that Xenoblade is just a JRPG in a flood of JRPG's? That's not putting it down, that's just being blunt. I'd be putting Xenoblade down if I said it was one of the worst JRPG's ever made, not just by saying it's one in a million as far as JRPG's go.

I don't even hate Xenoblade! I'm just saying it's not as significant to gaming as Metroid. Again, that's not even opinion; Xenoblade doesn't have the title of franchise with the most shocking reveal of all time, and the honor of pioneering the concept of a female main character in a video game franchise. That propels Metroid well above Xenoblade, in my opinion. And again, sometimes you need to make hard choices to make deadlines.

Would I want to cut Shulk? No, of course not! But if it came down to the wire and I had to choose between keeping Shulk and adding a new character with a lot of support behind them, I'd go with a crowd-pleaser. Hell, I'd be making custom fighters an entirely different way already; just add a Shulk trophy, Shulk's voiceclips and announcer clip and make his moveset available as a custom preset and bam, he's already there in a form. Sure, it's not the same as him being his own character, but at least it's something of a compromise to please fans.



No, it's fine. But on the DLC thing, I was thinking of going on a Hyrule Warriors-like DLC system; basically, there's free updates for patches and you can buy some themed content packs that have new characters, stages and other such things. So a Zelda content pack could contain, as an example, the revamped Ganondorf and Midna as new characters, Ganon's Tower and Zant's Throne stages and some new Zelda-themed cosmetics for Mii Fighters.

They'd probably be similarly priced to Hyrule Warriors DLC, too.

I don't see why the memes can't contribute to the love of the character. And why are funny pictures of her not allowed to contribute to her love?

Corrin is not only a first-party character, he has been explictly stated to have been added for promotional purposes, not as a Ballot or fan pick.

We could simply keep Ganondorf with a new moveset as I believe you've suggested, not just replace him.

Dude, don't pull the "folklore" stuff. He isn't even like the folklore nowadays. EVERY SINGLE SMT DEMON is inspired by some kind of folklore, but is their own character.

Are the roster REVEALS gonna matter once we get the ACTUAL ROSTER? If we get an amazingly hype trailer for the polar bear from Ice Climbers are we gonna be okay with them in the roster? Consider the aftermath.

Dude, you're once again speaking for the fandom, I know some people who actually supported Dark Pit, so keep that in your mind.

Oh, you cut WFT and Shulk but add 3 more Metroid characters? Just add Ridley, and you get to keep WFT AND Shulk, who rep 2 franchises, instead of overreping just one franchise.

Yeah I'm not doing a Wolf debate, but he is either way not on the level of originality of Shulk.

Excuse me for forgetting one article from a year ago about Prime. Show me it when it's actually announced.

Alex is on a whole other level. He isn't a fun first party gimmick character who, like 3 of those characters, is a throwback to the old Nintendo days, he's just a minor Tekken character who isn't in like more then 4 of the series' game if I'm not mistaken.

There are plenty of people who don't agree that Samus being a girl isn't the biggest gaming twist of all time. This twist doesn't magically propel it above Xenoblade; and while Metroid IS above Xenoblade, that is because Xenoblade has 2 games. Once again, you have not adressed the 3 METROID CHARACTERS and how there should just be 1 new Metroid characters. Sylux and Dark Samus are not necessary. And sacrificing Sylux and Dark Samus for Shulk and Wii Fit Trainer? Come on, that's 2 entire, loved series repped. It's a worthy sacrifice.

That's a nice DLC idea. And let me clarify again; I really am sorry if I sound harsh or rude. It's not personal at all, infact behind my own feelings, I'm sure I'd main Alex lol.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

They've been talking about Prime 4 since Prime 3 came out. I'm not throwing down my chips and giving into self/destructive hope that Nintendo will actually give Metroid fans what they actually want until I see that it's a true Prime successor. Just watch, Prime 4 will just be a Metroid-based dating sim, a puzzle-themed Metroid game, or Metroid Prime Golf. Or maybe the Trilogy rereleased in HD lol. I would love to see a Hyrule Warriors-esque crossover of Meyroid and Monster Hubter thought. Metroid Hunters would be pretty fun to play. Especially if it means I can mutulate Ridley's dead space dragon corpse by cooking his meat over the fire and using his purple carapace to craft armor out of.

Also, Xenoblade is separated from the rest of the Xeno games and shouldn't be considered apart of each other. Especially when factoring its presence within the Nintendoverse. Xenogears and Xenosaga came out before Monolith got bought out by Nintendo. Xenoblade is within the Xeno umbrella but when it concerns the big N, they aren't.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Just watch, Prime 4 will just be a Metroid-based dating sim,

I need this. I need my date with Ridley.

 

[N3ON]

I don't see Xenoblade getting a second rep until it gets more games. Xenoblade is not a big franchise, and XCX will be very old news by the time the next real Smash comes around. It's like when people thought Micaiah should be included in Smash 4, except at that point FE actually merited a new character.

Also "Xeno" is a fan-made metaseries. The "Xeno" umbrella holds no actual bearing on Nintendo (or any other company). Xenogears is one series, Xenosaga another, and Xenoblade a third.

That said, I agree Shulk will be here to stay, but I don't think that's any crazy prediction or anything.

 

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I feel compelled to remember for the umpteenth time that Monolith Soft is also a first-party Nintendo studio since late 2007, and by definition, games they make for Nintendo like Xenoblade and Disaster are as much owned by Nintendo as Mario, Metroid, F-Zero and such.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Funny, then, that there's an entire Wikipedia article dedicated to this "non-existant" Xeno series that includes Xenoblade. Doesn't really matter what the game was called during it's development (we'd be calling the Banjo series the "Project Dream series" if that were true), the game's official title is "Xenoblade Chronicles", not "Monado". It's a part of the Xeno franchise, like it or not. May not have started development as part of the franchise, but it became a part of that franchise and was released as part of that franchise.


Wolf isn't a clone, though. He shares similar moves to Fox and Falco, but they all act very differently from those two. He's at worst a Luigification of the moveset, and the only really cloned portion of Wolf's entire moveset is his Final Smash. Sure, Shulk isn't a clone, but neither was Wolf. So yeah, I can compare the two.

Also, Star Fox wasn't dead when Brawl came out! Star Fox Command came out in 2006, only two years before Brawl released. That's not a dead franchise. F-Zero is a dead franchise. Star Fox is not.


A) Who wouldn't jump at the chance of having Elma be DLC (thus meaning profits because people really want her playable in Smash)? She'd be 100% DLC, no question.
B) I think a lot more people want more Metroid, Star Fox and DK content then people want more Xenoblade/saga/gears/Xeno franchise content. That's the truth.
C) Xenoblade is BY NO MEANS AT ALL deserving of being placed higher on the food chain than Metroid. You know, the franchise that pioneered female protagonists in video games that weren't basically clones of male characters with sterootypically female things slapped on? That's a waaaay more important franchise than a single, somewhat popular JRPG series in a veritable flood of JRPG series.

Xenoblade is good, yes, but it's by no means "more important" than the franchise that singlehandedly changed the industry. That's the truth here. I'd seriously put the franchise that changed the industry over a decently-sucessful JRPG anyday.

EDIT:

I wouldn't bet on that, actually; E3's coming up, and Nintendo knows that people are anxious about Federation Force. I would place money that they're going to give us our first proper look at Prime 4 this E3, especially if they're showcasing the NX there; after all, what better way to get into our good graces than by revealing Prime 4 for the first time there? We already know it's being developed, and we know Sylux is going to play a major role in it, so it's probably been chugging along for a while; if I had to hazard, possibly since about when FedForce itself was being developed in 2010.

I'd place myself confident, then, that if Ridley's not in FedForce, he will be in Prime 4. No question.

Cause wikipedia is a reliable and official source lmao

I could've worded it better but Wolf is indeed more if a clone than wolf. Star Fox was also dead when smash 4 released, hence his cut

NOONE is saying that Xenoblade is more important than Metroid, what we're saying is that if Metroid gets 5 xenoblade can get at least one

Your bias is hilarious and you pretending you're not is even better

 

[A Distant Demon]

I could've worded it better but Wolf is indeed more if a cline than wolf.

Star Fix

And I thought I was a typo master

NOONE is saying that Xenoblade is more important than Metroid, what we're saying is that if Metroid gets 5 xenoblade can get at least one

This

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

And I thought I was a typo master

This

Listen, it's hard to be typo free on mobile

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I will seriously laugh out loud if they leave out Ridley, Dark Samus, Sylux, etc. and put in the Federation Trooper. That will be poetic justice. It's tagline could be "Federation Trooper Satisfies the Fans!"

 

[A Distant Demon]

I will seriously laugh out loud if they leave out Ridley, Dark Samus, Sylux, etc. and put in the Federation Trooper. That will be poetic justice. It's tagline could be "Federation Trooper Satisfies the Fans!"

There would be no end to the salt.

Im sure I would be able to supply enough for all of America for a good week.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

There would be no end to the salt.

Im sure I would be able to supply enough for all of America for a good week.

Especially with the large amounts of salt generated by this upcoming election. We will have a salt surplus.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Salt Shaker for Smash!

 

[Ura]

If the NX port is true and it's more than the Wii U version with DLC added in...

Added Rayman and Geno due to Ubisoft and Square having close relationships with Nintendo as of late as well as the popularity of the 2 characters.

 

[Deleted member]

If the NX port is true and it's more than the Wii U version with DLC added in...

Added Rayman and Geno due to Ubisoft and Square having close relationships with Nintendo as of late as well as the popularity of the 2 characters.

My only gripe is Geno
Otherwise, it's pretty solid.

 

[Ura]

My only gripe is Geno
Otherwise, it's pretty solid.

Will admit that 3 of the choices there aren't ones that I would choose myself (Inklings especially) though I can see getting in. Inklings are a shoe in, Rayman is likely with the same company (Ubisoft) releasing Beyond Good and Evil being as an NX title launch (along with Rayman's popularity), and Geno is likely now that Sakurai has admitted to wanting to put the character in the game not to mention the popularity he has with the Japanese fanbase which is important for newcomers to have (Good relations with SE is also a factor here).

I don't mind Geno and I think he can have a great moveset. Rayman i'm indifferent to and I would much rather prefer Crash Bandicoot and Inklings I flat out don't like though I can acknowledge the fact that they're guaranteed for any future Smash title.

 

[Deleted member]

Will admit that 3 of the choices there aren't ones that I would choose myself (Inklings especially) though I can see getting in. Inklings are a shoe in, Rayman is likely with the same company (Ubisoft) releasing Beyond Good and Evil being as an NX title launch (along with Rayman's popularity), and Geno is likely now that Sakurai has admitted to wanting to put the character in the game not to mention the popularity he has with the Japanese fanbase which is important for newcomers to have (Good relations with SE is also a factor here).

I don't mind Geno and I think he can have a great moveset. Rayman i'm indifferent to and I would much rather prefer Crash Bandicoot and Inklings I flat out don't like though I can acknowledge the fact that they're guaranteed for any future Smash title.

I see
The only characters I flat out don't want to see in Smash are Geno and Chrom (The latter will never be there anyway)
I'm personally indiffrent to Inklings more than anything, but I can see why you dislike them, and like you said, they're pretty much a shoe-in.

 

[Luigi The President]

If the NX port is true and it's more than the Wii U version with DLC added in...

Added Rayman and Geno due to Ubisoft and Square having close relationships with Nintendo as of late as well as the popularity of the 2 characters.

I think you should make a general character roster for Smash 5. This is really boring honestly it's just 6 extra characters for an unofficial NX port roster of Smash.

Also, the Chorus Kids would likely be in over Geno, Rayman, or Isaac. They were also planned to be in much like Ice Climbers.

 

[Deleted member]

If the NX port is true and it's more than the Wii U version with DLC added in...

Added Rayman and Geno due to Ubisoft and Square having close relationships with Nintendo as of late as well as the popularity of the 2 characters.

Pretty good Ice Climbers and Wolf need to come back it's just not the same without them. Inklings are pretty much a shoo in so I could see it. I'm not so sure about King K. Rool I wonder if he'll ever get in so unsure about him but due his poularity they may consider it but still unsure about him. Geno based on his popularity and Sakurai wanting him in yes I could see it. Isaac the fact he was removed as a assist trophy and never added still is a head scratcher so maybe but I don't know, Golden Sun could use it's big dog in but hard to say if he'll be added. Rayman with the recent rumor of Ubisoft working with Nintendo on NX to bring Beyond Good and Evil 2 to the system hey I could see it. Overall seems reasonable then again it is a port and all we may get is Ice Climbers and Wolf but I could see this so good job.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Why does everyone think that a pose NX smash port will have extra characters. It doesn't make that much sense to me. I've read the rumors and such but I'm not that convinced that, should it receive a port, that it won't be anything but a port.

 

[Aetheri]

Why does everyone think that a pose NX smash port will have extra characters. It doesn't make that much sense to me. I've read the rumors and such but I'm not that convinced that, should it receive a port, that it won't be anything but a port.

Incentive to sell and Hyrule Warriors Legends is a port with extra characters, a port of a fairly recent title mind you...

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Incentive to sell and Hyrule Warriors Legends is a port with extra characters, a port of a fairly recent title mind you...

Smash is much different than Hyrule Warriors and shouldn't be put on the same level. At all. I'm cool with a port to the NX but adding additional characters just for "incentive" completely throws away everything that Sakurai envisioned for Smash. Plus, it over saturates an already great roster. Smash is a game where every character inclusion sends waves throughout just not the Nintendo community but the gaming community. To illustrate, a few of my FF buddies bought the Wii U and Smash just to play as Cloud.

I think that expecting new characters to be included in a NX port is greedy, unrealistic, and damaging to the core of the franchise. This route will only lead to unregulating whoring out of a landmark franchise. In addition, Sakurai has stated that development on the game has ceased with the release of the DLC. I've heard Namco taking up responsibility of working on characters and not Sakurai but I largely disagree with this. Let's see how well Namco can handle a NX port and then maybe we can talk about them spear-headed character creation. Plus, we got 7 DLC characters...why are people expecting more? Let's just be satisfied, play the ****ing game and advance the meta, strengthen the community, and sit patiently until Smash V to release around 2020-2022.

 

[Dan]

I'll add my two cents.

After mulling my dream roster for a while, I realized there are way more characters than we ever needed in this game. I would cut about 50% of the characters (using the dev time to focus more on appealing to both the casual and competitive audiences); Ridley is definitely in, as is Machamp (in my opinion the most deserving Pokémon rep behind Pikachu: bye !).

 

[Deleted member]

Ah screw it after mulling it over for a bit if it were to happen I actually can see King K. Rool being added due to his popularity and signifigance as the main antagonist of the Donkey Kong Country Series. Isaac too as he's a popular and good choice to finally represent Golden Sun. As for my thoughts on each character Wolf and Ice Climbers miss them they need to return. Inklings huge Splatoon fan I can see it. King K. Rool my most requested character and Donkey Kong Country's main villain it's not a matter of if he'll be added it's a matter of when cause if they knew of Geno's popularity their's no doubt they know about King K. Rool's and one day hopefully no one day he will be added to Super Smash Bros. Geno I like this dude he's a cool character add him in Sakurai supports him I hope next time they make it happen, Isaac where's our Golden Sun rep? Add Isaac in. Rayman, Nintendo and Ubisoft hopefully rebuild their bond if so I can see Rayman and I'd love to see him added. This port might just be a port with nothing new Venus is completely right about that if we get two new characters it's Wolf and Ice Climbers course I thought Inklings and Wolf were coming in the final Smash presentation so I could end up being wrong again so who knows.

Regardless of a port or not I see all these characters coming to Super Smash Bros. one day which is great cause above all it'll mean King K. Rool is finally in Smash and my greatest hope will come true! But let's wait and see what the future holds.

 

[Ura]

Smash is much different than Hyrule Warriors and shouldn't be put on the same level. At all. I'm cool with a port to the NX but adding additional characters just for "incentive" completely throws away everything that Sakurai envisioned for Smash. Plus, it over saturates an already great roster. Smash is a game where every character inclusion sends waves throughout just not the Nintendo community but the gaming community. To illustrate, a few of my FF buddies bought the Wii U and Smash just to play as Cloud.

I think that expecting new characters to be included in a NX port is greedy, unrealistic, and damaging to the core of the franchise. This route will only lead to unregulating whoring out of a landmark franchise. In addition, Sakurai has stated that development on the game has ceased with the release of the DLC. I've heard Namco taking up responsibility of working on characters and not Sakurai but I largely disagree with this. Let's see how well Namco can handle a NX port and then maybe we can talk about them spear-headed character creation. Plus, we got 7 DLC characters...why are people expecting more? Let's just be satisfied, play the ****ing game and advance the meta, strengthen the community, and sit patiently until Smash V to release around 2020-2022.

Well some of us just so happen to be dissatisfied with how DLC ended and want to see the Ballot influence an NX port of Smash 4. We also don't want to be waiting for the next decade to get these new characters (you're talking as if 5-7 years isn't a big deal). If you don't see it that way that's fine but others want to see characters that were higher up on the Ballot get in the game as well and this is coming from a guy that doesn't even expect that the NX port will have any new characters other than the Ice Climbers.

And I don't see how HWL isn't a good example. It adds in extra characters that were otherwise not playable in the Wii U version so you can't say that the two aren't comparable.

Pretty good Ice Climbers and Wolf need to come back it's just not the same without them. Inklings are pretty much a shoo in so I could see it. I'm not so sure about King K. Rool I wonder if he'll ever get in so unsure about him but due his poularity they may consider it but still unsure about him. Geno based on his popularity and Sakurai wanting him in yes I could see it. Isaac the fact he was removed as a assist trophy and never added still is a head scratcher so maybe but I don't know, Golden Sun could use it's big dog in but hard to say if he'll be added. Rayman with the recent rumor of Ubisoft working with Nintendo on NX to bring Beyond Good and Evil 2 to the system hey I could see it. Overall seems reasonable then again it is a port and all we may get is Ice Climbers and Wolf but I could see this so good job.

Thanks! K. Rool I can see happening though it's sort of iffy with him.

I think you should make a general character roster for Smash 5. This is really boring honestly it's just 6 extra characters for an unofficial NX port roster of Smash.

Also, the Chorus Kids would likely be in over Geno, Rayman, or Isaac. They were also planned to be in much like Ice Climbers.

That's true. I think they could also get in a hypothetical NX port if all that's needed to be done is port the assets of said characters from the Wii U version.

Also, I can see Isaac getting in similar to being that Isaac is hugely popular in NA like Mac even if he lacks popularity in Japan.

I'll post my fully-fledged Smash 5 roster later.

 

[Aetheri]

Smash is much different than Hyrule Warriors and shouldn't be put on the same level. At all. I'm cool with a port to the NX but adding additional characters just for "incentive" completely throws away everything that Sakurai envisioned for Smash. Plus, it over saturates an already great roster. Smash is a game where every character inclusion sends waves throughout just not the Nintendo community but the gaming community. A few of my FF buddies bought the Wii U and Smash just to play as Cloud. I think that expecting new characters to be included in a NX port is greedy, unrealistic, and damaging to the core of the franchise. This route will only lead to unregulating whoring out of a landmark franchise.

In addition, Sakurai has stated that development on the game has ceased with the release of the DLC. I've heard Namco taking up responsibility of working on characters and not Sakurai. I largely disagree with this. Let's see how well Namco can handle a NX port and then maybe we can talk about them spear-headed character creation. We got 7 DLC characters...why are people expecting more? Let's just be satisfied, play the ****ing game and advance the meta, strengthen the community, and sit patiently until Smash V to release around 2020-2022.

You may call it being greedy but others (including myself, especially given that my financial situation isn't the greatest) call it getting your money's worth...and many of us still aren't 100% satisfied with the current roster (not everyone will be, mind you, but jus sayin) and these people will also think a few more characters can only add to the game (makes sense to me)...as someone who already owns both versions, if there won't be anything new to look forward to in this port I don't see any reason to actually buy it...and a lot of other people likely feel the same way...this by no means is at all greedy, as most people that care enough about getting new characters at least own one version of the game already...

Hyrule Warriors may not be Smash...(though you may as well call it Zelda's Smash) but the concept still applies...it's a game being ported to another system that is still a fairly recent title, a lot of the fans of this game are probably still playing it...but yet they decided to add a port of it anyway, and due to popular demand some new characters were added into this port (also made available for the previous version which is a possibility for the Smash NX port as well) in addition to other additional content...

Then you got games like TPHD...which still isn't a straight up port even though it's a 10 year old game, updated graphics, amiibo compatibility (which unlocks a new area in the game), Master Quest added, as well as a new way to play it via the gamepad and changes to help improve the overall gameplay...and a likely connection to an upcoming game as well...

Smash is a game where every character inclusion sends waves throughout just not the Nintendo community but the gaming community. A few of my FF buddies bought the Wii U and Smash just to play as Cloud.

This is the sort of incentive I'm talking about...your buddies bought the game simply because of one character being added to the roster...adding new characters to the game will still generate the same level of excitement for other people as well...it is unlikely any new characters will generate as much excitement as Cloud but I'm sure you get my point...

It just seems completely pointless to basically continue production on and old game, just to make a straight up port, especially one that generates as much hype and excitement amoung the fanbase...I don't know about you but an announcement for a port without any added content seems just very underwhelming in general...and I really don't think there will be too many people who don't own the game that will pick it up if they haven't bothered to already...

 

[Ura]

You may call it being greedy but others (including myself, especially given that my financial situation isn't the greatest) call it getting your money's worth...and many of us still aren't 100% satisfied with the current roster (not everyone will be, mind you, but jus sayin) and these people will also think a few more characters can only add to the game (makes sense to me)...as someone who already owns both versions, if there won't be anything new to look forward to in this port I don't see any reason to actually buy it...and a lot of other people likely feel the same way...this by no means is at all greedy, as most people that care enough about getting new characters at least own one version of the game already...

Hyrule Warriors may not be Smash...(though you may as well call it Zelda's Smash) but the concept still applies...it's a game being ported to another system that is still a fairly recent title, a lot of the fans of this game are probably still playing it...but yet they decided to add a port of it anyway, and due to popular demand some new characters were added into this port (also made available for the previous version which is a possibility for the Smash NX port as well) in addition to other additional content...

Then you got games like TPHD...which still isn't a straight up port even though it's a 10 year old game, updated graphics, amiibo compatibility (which unlocks a new area in the game), Master Quest added, as well as a new way to play it via the gamepad and changes to help improve the overall gameplay...and a likely connection to an upcoming game as well...


This is the sort of incentive I'm talking about...your buddies bought the game simply because of one character being added to the roster...adding new characters to the game will still generate the same level of excitement for other people as well...it is unlikely any new characters will generate as much excitement as Cloud but I'm sure you get my point...

It just seems completely pointless to basically continue production on and old game, just to make a straight up port, especially one that generates as much hype and excitement amoung the fanbase...I don't know about you but an announcement for a port without any added content seems just very underwhelming in general...and I really don't think there will be too many people who don't own the game that will pick it up if they haven't bothered to already...

I agree, Saying "you're greedy" or "you're spoiled" is stupid considering we're paying for the content. If all content was free of charge then you would have that argument to make but it's not. Nintendo isn't our parents for crying out loud.

 

[QuintonShark8714]

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Waluigi
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@MahBoi2016
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Waluigi (between Falco and Lucas)
Linkle (after Lucas)
Dark Samus or Sylux (between Linkle and Dark Pit
King K. Rool (between Ryu and R.O.B.)
Ridley (between Corrin and Mr. Game & Watch)
Paper Mario (between Wolf and Bayonetta)
Chorus Men (after Bayonetta)

Overall solid it includes characters who've been wanted for so long and ones who deserve to be in. No complaints looks like the perfect Super Smash Bros. NX roster to me.

 

[Luigi The President]

@Megadoomer
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Issac
Wonder Red
Takamaru
Rayman

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Waluigi
Linkle
Sylux
Daisy
King K. Rool
Ridley
Paper Mario
Chorus Men

You need to make a roster and you need to stick with it man.

Remove Linkle. I don't think we need Sylux if we get Ridley. Overall, good roster, full of fan favorites.

 

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Waluigi
Linkle
Sylux
Daisy
King K. Rool
Ridley
Paper Mario
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Not bad, I have to say. I'd remove Pittoo, Daisy, Linkle, and at least 2 of the third party characters though.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I put it in spoilers cause it's too damn long

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Well some of us just so happen to be dissatisfied with how DLC ended and want to see the Ballot influence an NX port of Smash 4.

People were dissatisfied with Melee's roster. People were dissatisfied with Brawl's roster. People are going to be dissatisfied regardless and I bet even if they add a little more characters to a NX port; people will still be pissed off at the roster selection and demand more characters.

lWe also don't want to be waiting for the next decade to get these new characters (you're talking as if 5-7 years isn't a big deal).

It's not actually. I waited between Melee and Brawl. And then Brawl to Smash 4. Smash isn't Call of Duty which releases half-ass content every other month. I prefer to wait 5-7 years for the next reiteration and be happy with what we have and yet the meta evolve. Otherwise, why the **** do we spend so much time understanding this game when it'll just be replaced by a newer game, even if it's an updated port, few years later?

If you don't see it that way that's fine but others want to see characters that were higher up on the Ballot get in the game as well and this is coming from a guy that doesn't even expect that the NX port will have any new characters other than the Ice Climbers.

So this has basically amounted to "I want a NX port because characters I wanted didn't get in before." that's a hor blue reason IMO.

And I don't see how HWL isn't a good example. It adds in extra characters that were otherwise not playable in the Wii U version so you can't say that the two aren't comparable.

It is a bad example. Hyrule Warriors needs to add content into a port in order to make the game for sellable. Smash could just have a port with many a few bells and whistles without an overly bloated, cash grab roster and still sell hot cakes. The gaming world takes notice when Smash news comes out, only Nintendo and LoZ takes notice when Hyrule Warriors news comes out. I just don't think the same rules applies to Smash when comparing it to HW.

You may call it being greedy but others (including myself, especially given that my financial situation isn't the greatest) call it getting your money's worth...and many of us still aren't 100% satisfied with the current roster (not everyone will be, mind you, but jus sayin) and these people will also think a few more characters can only add to the game (makes sense to me)...as someone who already owns both versions, if there won't be anything new to look forward to in this port I don't see any reason to actually buy it...and a lot of other people likely feel the same way...this by no means is at all greedy, as most people that care enough about getting new characters at least own one version of the game already...

The gaming community is greedy. Both the studios and the consumers. You have companies hack up games and cut content to add it at downloadable content 40 bucks a pop. Consumers purchase games, speed through them, and then complains about a lack of content and dissatifaction of the game. Gamers want constant content, constant updates, and constant satisfaction. Smash could of just stopped back in October without any DLC characters but I find it ridiculous that even after DLC was confirmed to finish; consumers still want the studio to crank out content to feel satisfied. Smash profits from it remaining unchanged with little to no updates. Not wasn't just until know that the meta game could develop and now we are talking about throwing it back into the blender because people want "characters they wanted it that were excluded".

Sorry but I don't want any other characters added in. I want to see us focus on the characters we have now and to evolve them in competetive play. If Smash 4 continues to get unnecessary and cash-grab DLC, then Smash 4 is a dud in the competetive community. Let's face it, the competetive community Kees the game alive and relevant when casuals put it down after speeding through all the content.

Hyrule Warriors may not be Smash...(though you may as well call it Zelda's Smash) but the concept still applies...it's a game being ported to another system that is still a fairly recent title, a lot of the fans of this game are probably still playing it...but yet they decided to add a port of it anyway, and due to popular demand some new characters were added into this port (also made available for the previous version which is a possibility for the Smash NX port as well) in addition to other additional content...

I touched upon this earlier but I fail to see how the two alike. Not to mention, we know next to nothing of the NX while we are comparing a Wii U/3DS game.

Then you got games like TPHD...which still isn't a straight up port even though it's a 10 year old game, updated graphics, amiibo compatibility (which unlocks a new area in the game), Master Quest added, as well as a new way to play it via the gamepad and changes to help improve the overall gameplay...and a likely connection to an upcoming game as well...

I won't touch on TPHD. I'm still bitter they went that direction instead of making MM a HD remake. Port/remake regardless.

This is the sort of incentive I'm talking about...your buddies bought the game simply because of one character being added to the roster...adding new characters to the game will still generate the same level of excitement for other people as well...it is unlikely any new characters will generate as much excitement as Cloud but I'm sure you get my point...

So where do we cut the line? Let's say they do add 5 characters to the Nx lineup. Then people are going to call for NX DLC. Then maybe if there's a successor to the 3adS, fans will want another port with more characters. Characters drive Smash but there's only so much they can add in before the roster is too bloated and becomes over saturated.

I'm fine with them adding a character or two (Ice Climbers and Wolf, preferably) but adding new franchises, new characters, and new content to appease a new generation of gamers who focus more on quantity and quick satisfaction. Yet ***** and complain when their is a cut in quantity.

It just seems completely pointless to basically continue production on and old game, just to make a straight up port, especially one that generates as much hype and excitement amoung the fanbase...I don't know about you but an announcement for a port without any added content seems just very underwhelming in general...and I really don't think there will be too many people who don't own the game that will pick it up if they haven't bothered to already...

Why the hell do we need a port anyways? If anything, Melee deserves a port HD than Smash 4. It's just a cash grab. If anything, it would make better sense to transfer your data and content from Smash 4 Wii U/3DS in order to play on the NX.

I agree, Saying "you're greedy" or "you're spoiled" is stupid considering we're paying for the content. If all content was free of charge then you would have that argument to make but it's not. Nintendo isn't our parents for crying out loud.

Sakurai makes DLC and then stops after releasing 7 DLC characters. Fans get salty because they were hoping for 15+ characters and none of who they wanted didn't get included. Then they ***** and cry and demand for further content from developers. (The only characters that I TRULY care about that got in were Ryu, Bayontta and Megaman. The rest that I wanted became assist trophies or just trophies. But I'm fine with the current roster.)

Anyways, I'm not opposed to a Smash NX but I do oppose Nintendo transforming it into a quick cash grab with content that's being headed by Namco instead of Sakurai who knows Smash the best and how to do characters correctly. It doesn't jive with me to expect additional characters two or three years down the road when we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the current ones. I value advancing the meta more important rather than adding more content. I shouldn't be surprised that people would disagree in a thread speculating about future characters to add.

 

[Aetheri]

I put it in spoilers cause it's too damn long

Spoiler

People were dissatisfied with Melee's roster. People were dissatisfied with Brawl's roster. People are going to be dissatisfied regardless and I bet even if they add a little more characters to a NX port; people will still be pissed off at the roster selection and demand more characters.



It's not actually. I waited between Melee and Brawl. And then Brawl to Smash 4. Smash isn't Call of Duty which releases half-*** content every other month. I prefer to wait 5-7 years for the next reiteration and be happy with what we have and yet the meta evolve. Otherwise, why the **** do we spend so much time understanding this game when it'll just be replaced by a newer game, even if it's an updated port, few years later?



So this has basically amounted to "I want a NX port because characters I wanted didn't get in before." that's a hor blue reason IMO.



It is a bad example. Hyrule Warriors needs to add content into a port in order to make the game for sellable. Smash could just have a port with many a few bells and whistles without an overly bloated, cash grab roster and still sell hot cakes. The gaming world takes notice when Smash news comes out, only Nintendo and LoZ takes notice when Hyrule Warriors news comes out. I just don't think the same rules applies to Smash when comparing it to HW.



The gaming community is greedy. Both the studios and the consumers. You have companies hack up games and cut content to add it at downloadable content 40 bucks a pop. Consumers purchase games, speed through them, and then complains about a lack of content and dissatifaction of the game. Gamers want constant content, constant updates, and constant satisfaction. Smash could of just stopped back in October without any DLC characters but I find it ridiculous that even after DLC was confirmed to finish; consumers still want the studio to crank out content to feel satisfied. Smash profits from it remaining unchanged with little to no updates. Not wasn't just until know that the meta game could develop and now we are talking about throwing it back into the blender because people want "characters they wanted it that were excluded".

Sorry but I don't want any other characters added in. I want to see us focus on the characters we have now and to evolve them in competetive play. If Smash 4 continues to get unnecessary and cash-grab DLC, then Smash 4 is a dud in the competetive community. Let's face it, the competetive community Kees the game alive and relevant when casuals put it down after speeding through all the content.



I touched upon this earlier but I fail to see how the two alike. Not to mention, we know next to nothing of the NX while we are comparing a Wii U/3DS game.



I won't touch on TPHD. I'm still bitter they went that direction instead of making MM a HD remake. Port/remake regardless.



So where do we cut the line? Let's say they do add 5 characters to the Nx lineup. Then people are going to call for NX DLC. Then maybe if there's a successor to the 3adS, fans will want another port with more characters. Characters drive Smash but there's only so much they can add in before the roster is too bloated and becomes over saturated.

I'm fine with them adding a character or two (Ice Climbers and Wolf, preferably) but adding new franchises, new characters, and new content to appease a new generation of gamers who focus more on quantity and quick satisfaction. Yet ***** and complain when their is a cut in quantity.



Why the hell do we need a port anyways? If anything, Melee deserves a port HD than Smash 4. It's just a cash grab. If anything, it would make better sense to transfer your data and content from Smash 4 Wii U/3DS in order to play on the NX.



Sakurai makes DLC and then stops after releasing 7 DLC characters. Fans get salty because they were hoping for 15+ characters and none of who they wanted didn't get included. Then they ***** and cry and demand for further content from developers. (The only characters that I TRULY care about that got in were Ryu, Bayontta and Megaman. The rest that I wanted became assist trophies or just trophies. But I'm fine with the current roster.)

Anyways, I'm not opposed to a Smash NX but I do oppose Nintendo transforming it into a quick cash grab with content that's being headed by Namco instead of Sakurai who knows Smash the best and how to do characters correctly. It doesn't jive with me to expect additional characters two or three years down the road when we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the current ones. I value advancing the meta more important rather than adding more content. I shouldn't be surprised that people would disagree in a thread speculating about future characters to add.

Guess what, people will complain....no matter what...
Nintendo adds a Smash NX port, there will be complaints...new characters added, complaints....no new characters added, complaints....Nintendo doesn't add a port at all, complaints...Hell you're doing it right now, ******** about people ********...

You're focusing too much on the negative here...People want more characters added to this port because they want a reason to buy it...Like I said in my previous post, We want our money's worth, because we are still the consumer we are the ones that decide to actually spend the money on these games...

Does Smash 4 need a port? No it doesn't...it didn't need to be on two systems to begin with yet it still is, it didn't need DLC it didn't need half of the characters added to the roster or half of the content in general, heck the game itself didn't need to be made even, where is this going to end?...Adding yet another port of this game is completely pointless, unless they are going to expand upon it...This is the point I'm making...Add a port if new content is added to make it worth it for the consumer otherwise don't bother, I'm not sitting here calling for Nintendo to add a new port so my most wanted characters will be added to the game...

'Cash Grab' lol...did you forget Nintendo is a business first and foremost, right? It's number one goal is to make profit, if they have an opportunity to make money off of one of their products they will...yes, there are times when they sacrifice this in favour of innovation which is also fine because it still sells (most of the time)...Either way you're making it sound like the quality will drop if it's not Sakurai making these characters, despite the fact Namco are very much competent when it comes to fighting games, I wonder how you'll feel if the next game doesn't involve Sakurai at all, will it be a worst game simply for that reason? That's what it's sounding like...adding a few more characters isn't going to destroy the quality of the game and at the very least it won't be a third version of a game that most smash fans already own...