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I find roster predictions for a future title so far away pointless because at the end of the day at least three of characters that will be in the game most likely don't exist yet haha.

Though, I do miss the conceptual basics behind roster selection. Maybe I'll play around with something sometime.

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I feel like an example is important. But rather than going for the obvious Pokemon or Fire Emblem route, I will take a different approach.

The Metroid series is one people are very wary of right now. It's future beyond Federation Force is unknown, and the game itself is very lore-buildy rather than your usual Samus Aran experience.

But everyone wants a new character, and characters are added based on popularity, uniqueness, and relevance. There are special cases of course, but two of the factors are absolutely required and uniqueness is always one of them.

Ridley has these three, but Sakurai sees a huge development hurdle to adding the character. So him coming in the future seems grim at the moment. What does this leave us?

At the moment, there are only two characters that fit the bill. Both with unknown futures.
Dark Samus and Anthony Higgs. While I believe Dark Samus for all intents and purposes is the more interesting candidate functionality, it is worth noting that people are not into the idea that Samus is the only Metroid character in Smash. Yes Zero Suit and Power Suit are completely different in gameplay, and yes, Dark Samus is a separate entity entirely, but people will still make the pointless comparisons. This doesn't matter to Sakurai. What does matter is where does Dark Samus go from now to the beginning of the next Smash's development cycle? Correct me if I am wrong, but Dark Samus is long gone after the events of Prime 3. It's story-arch has been completed, and it's presence in the Metroid universe is no longer required. Will it be referred to in future games? My bets are yes, but the character itself is most likely going to be unused. Relevance is a key factor to character selection, and a character with no future is less likely to get into Smash.

Anthony Higgs lacks all of these factors, in my personal opinion. Aside from his notability as a meme in Other M's announcement trailer, his only big factor is his relationship with Samus as far as I can tell. Nothing that will make him Smash material.


Now in the future, there is a character possibility to become a Nintendo icon and join Smash's ranks. That character is Sylux of the Hunters games. Sylux is interesting because he's currently an open book, aside from his seemingly pointless hatred of Samus, the character is very bland right now. But there's been several hints of Sylux becoming an important figure of a future title, and because of that possibility you could very well see him in a big game like Smash if he's relevant around the time Development begins. But you can't say that for sure.

There are few characters that are classified as "shoe-ins" for a future Smash title. The only real one being Splatoon's Inkling. Anything else can be anyone's guess.
Is Waddle Dee a beloved recurring Kirby character with the potential to be something special in a Smash setting? Yes! Will Sakurai add another Kirby character over a character from a miscellaneous franchise? I dunno! Is Waddle Dee going to be a big factor in a future Kirby game down the line around Smash 6's dev time frame??????

I mean if you're doing this fun then yeah go ahead but if you're actually trying to guess the next roster, you've got a big storm coming.
 
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i removed A Sun and Moon Pokemon, Hades, Wonder Red, Cross and Ryu and added A Gen 8 Pokemon, Dark Pit, Ashley and Professer Layton
A Sun and Moon Pokémon ---> A Gen. 8 Pokémon: doesn't make much of a difference to me
Hades --> Dark Pit: as long as Dark Pit's moves would be changed to make so he isn't almost exactly identical to Pit in every single way, I'm okay with it
Wonder Red and Cross --> Ashley: I don't believe that Cross was in your most recent one anyway. Removing Wonder Red seems strange to me, seeing as the Wonderful 101 has a lot to work with and is quite different from other Nintendo games, while Ashley seems like a random choice for a second Wario character, but I haven't played Wario Ware in a while so maybe there's something to work with.
Ryu --> Layton: this one makes no sense to me. Why would you remove the definitive fighting game character and replace him with a puzzle-solving professor who (correct me if I'm wrong) only sword-fights in one cutscene? You removed Cloud, Snake, and Bayonetta as well, but just because a character has a relatively realistic design doesn't mean that they don't belong in Smash. Otherwise, you might as well remove the casts of F-Zero, Fire Emblem, Metroid, Zelda (aside from the Toon characters), etc.
 

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A Sun and Moon Pokémon ---> A Gen. 8 Pokémon: doesn't make much of a difference to me
Hades --> Dark Pit: as long as Dark Pit's moves would be changed to make so he isn't almost exactly identical to Pit in every single way, I'm okay with it
Wonder Red and Cross --> Ashley: I don't believe that Cross was in your most recent one anyway. Removing Wonder Red seems strange to me, seeing as the Wonderful 101 has a lot to work with and is quite different from other Nintendo games, while Ashley seems like a random choice for a second Wario character, but I haven't played Wario Ware in a while so maybe there's something to work with.
Ryu --> Layton: this one makes no sense to me. Why would you remove the definitive fighting game character and replace him with a puzzle-solving professor who (correct me if I'm wrong) only sword-fights in one cutscene? You removed Cloud, Snake, and Bayonetta as well, but just because a character has a relatively realistic design doesn't mean that they don't belong in Smash. Otherwise, you might as well remove the casts of F-Zero, Fire Emblem, Metroid, Zelda (aside from the Toon characters), etc.
...................the Mario princess, the Kid Icarus cast, the Xenoblade cast and Wii Fit Trainer as well? (like you think)
 
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I actually never thought about that. I mean I would never add the bounty hunter characters in a normal Smash roster or Dark Samus or Ridley in any roster. But, in a 100 character roster, having other bounty hunters from Metroid would actually be a good idea.

That's good to hear.


Final Fantasy has has numerous Nintendo exclusives and Bayonetta 2 was as well.
So what makes them less "Nintendo-friendly" than Snake? (Just asking, because now I'm not sure what you meant by that)

What is this constant complaint of "You're ignoring the other series characters". What other characters???? Who do you want me to add? Mother Brain? Paula? Kamek? Waddle DeeI'm not gonna add useless characters in a petty attempt to measure everything. Everytime a lesser franchise gets a character it actually deserves I"m suppose to give a bigger one a character that it doesn't?
Adding a Star Fox character that's not a clone of Fox would be both impossible and stick out like a sore thumb. Why would Krystal not be a clone of Fox? Because she used a staff in the opening cutscene of a Star Fox game that's not even a Star Fox game and is no longer canon? She'd be even more of a clone than Falco.


Obscure characters outside the context of the EarthBound fanbase. I don't understand this. We have Ness & Lucas. The two protagonists and they share a move set. Fox, Falco, and Wolf share a move set. t. Then fans wanna add a character not nearly as significant as the existing characters and with a completely different move set/characteristics.


If we have all the most important characters from Kirby, what is the point? Dark Matter? Adeline? You wanna add these characters that nobody would know if they didn't play those specific games and wouldn't remember unless they were harcore fans because Fire Emblem's cookie is bigger than theirs?

What's wrong with just adding important characters?

The thing is, you're going to run out of important characters eventually. You can already see it in Smash 4 - there's no way that you can say that Rosalina, a character who was an NPC in Mario Galaxy, a cameo in Mario Galaxy 2, and a secret character in Mario 3D World, is as important as Bowser or Peach, or that Dark Pit, a side character from one game, is as important as Pit and Palutena, who have been in every game in the series. Not every character is going to be important, and eventually, series will branch out to side characters and the like. I'm just trying to offer suggestions since you don't seem to be familiar with those series for the most part. (which is understandable - nobody can be familiar with every series that Nintendo has to offer)

Plus, Metroid's more or less been ignored as far as the Smash Bros. roster is concerned (been in Smash since day one, and yet the only new character that it's ever gotten is Samus wearing a different outfit), and Kirby seems to have a lot of side characters that could be used. (besides, nobody knowing a character if they didn't play the specific games could be said about pretty much every character on the roster, outside of Mario, Pikachu, and a few others) I get that the remaining Kirby characters might not be appealing, but with 100 characters, I'd think that you'd be able to include more Metroid characters than just Samus and Samus without her armour.


Where's the interview where Sakurai said he added these characters because they had boobies? Pretty sure they earned their spots on the roster.


He said that's something they've wanted to do and they are happy they have. That doesn't mean they added those characters because they are female. He's happy that they've found enough female characters that deserve to be in.
They certainly earned their spots on the roster, but he did make a comment on Miiverse when Zelda was revealed that it's great to see so many female characters in the game; given that two big complaints about Brawl's roster (or at least, the most noticeable absences) were the lack of women and villains, it seems like he took the former into account this time around.
 
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I am presenting the roster I have created for a game I call: Super Smash Bros. 100.

As you may have guessed, this is my interpretation of what a Smash Brothers roster would look like if it contained 100 characters. I made an effort to make sure the characters that got added are significant enough to Nintendo's history and the franchises they are apart of. While, I also made an effort to add highly requested characters that normally wouldn't be important enough to add in a normal Smash game.

The main concept of the game is a free downloadable title that contains the 8 playable characters from Smash 64, while the rest are added through waves of paid DLC in the coming years. Kind of like Killer Instinct.

So here's the roster:
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View attachment 99293

Details:

The following characters are quarter/semi-clones:
  • Roy
  • Luigi
  • Toon Link
  • Falco
  • Wolf
  • Lucas
  • Ganondorf
  • Daisy
  • Dixie Kong
  • Toon Zelda
  • Samurai Goroh
  • Louie
  • Medusa
The following characters are full clones:
  • Dr. Mario
  • Dry Bowser
  • Impa
  • Pichu
  • Lucina
  • Dark Pit
  • Starly
  • Metal Sonic
The following characters appear in the form of alternate costumes:
  • The Koopalings
  • Linkle
  • Isa Jo
  • Alph
  • Brittany
  • Matthew
  • Ms. Pac-Man
Details for Specific Characters
  • Waluigi's moveset is not a shotty thrown together "hits people with tennis rackets and runs over them with go-karts" moveset. His moveset (like Wario's) is based around his goofy and devious personality. But, his tennis racket is used for his neutral A attack which is basically his Assist Trophy attack.
  • Here is a concept of Samurai Goroh's moveset:
    View attachment 99276
  • I chose Gengar because he is a favorite Pokemon of mine as well as several Pokemon fans. It's pretty well known how popular he is.
  • Lyn is dual sworded like her Fire Emblem: Awakening design.
  • Louie is different from Olimar. Olimar uses the original Pikmin (Red, Yellow, and Blue). While his partner uses the special mutant Pikmin (White, Purple, and Rock). Louie is slightly slower and has a slightly bigger hitbox and the purple pikmin behave differently. They can now latch onto characters and they are more powerful and harder to shake off. While Rock Pikmin act as Purple Pikmin used to. They cannot latch on, but they pack a punch.
  • Rhythm Girl uses the help of other characters in the RH series in some of her moves. If you need it explained to you why she is the most logical choice, it's in my last post.
  • Metal Sonic is very different in the way that Dr. Mario is. His Up special is different. He uses his rocket engine. He also has a different side special where he uses an electrical boost like he does during the race in Sonic CD (and Sonic uses the boost like in Sonic Rush). He doesn't become Super Metal Sonic, but he imitates that Final Smash by turning red and becoming electric and flying everywhere. Also his victory them is the Stage Clear them from Sonic CD.
  • Please don't tell me you want Shadow or Dr. Eggman over Amy. I feel like I shouldn't have to explainwhy that's not the case.
  • I know Banjo is a first party character, but has been mentioned by Xbox/Microsoft that they woul enjoy if Banjo appeared in Smash.
  • Yes, Snake is missing. He really doesn't fit in Smash and his move set is horrible. I find the third-parties on this roster to be more deserving than him.
  • Also, I added Zoroark because Gen 7 Pokemon have not been revealed.
Tell me what you think (unless you wanna complain about the lack of Eggman, Toad, or Waddle Dee. or that there's 8 clones in a 100 character roster.) Would this be satisfactory or realistic if Smash Bros had 100 characters?
I have quite a few issues, for starters:
  • That's a lot of Mario characters, I mean Daisy, Waluigi, Paper as well as 2 DK reps.
  • Toon Zelda over Tetra?
  • 4 new Zelda reps is a little much too, I'd remove Midna and Ghirahim as they are kind of a one time deal in a series with tons of games
  • Only 2 metroid reps in a game that has 11 Pokemon characters, I'd add Ridley, Sylux or Dark Samus, or all 3
  • That's a lot of Pokemon, I'd remove gengar in particular as he's not that important and is a little random and one of the gen 5 reps
  • Lyn of all the Fire Emblem characters? I like her don't get me wrong but someone like Anna would make more sense
  • Kirby only has 3 characters, add Bandana Dee imo
  • Only 1 punch out character in a game with 11 Pokemon
  • Louie over one of the Pikmin 3 captains?
  • 5 Sonic characters, I'd say 2 is the maximum we should ever get, I say remove Metal, Amy and either Knuckles or Tails
  • Shantae, Shovel Knight and Banjo apparently being more deserving than Snake for some reason
  • The clone corner, just put them with their series, it just looks bad, I also don't see the point of adding to the clone corner when unique characters exist, I say remove Dry Bowser, Metal, Starly, Pichu and make Impa a unique character instead.
 
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I have quite a few issues, for starters:
  • That's a lot of Mario characters, I mean Daisy, Waluigi, Paper as well as 2 DK reps.
  • Toon Zelda over Tetra?
  • 4 new Zelda reps is a little much too
  • Only 2 metroid reps in a game that has 11 Pokemon characters, I'd add Ridley, Sylux or Dark Samus, or all 3
  • That's a lot of Pokemon, I'd remove gengar in particular as he's not that important and is a little random and one of the gen 5 reps
  • Lyn of all the Fire Emblem characters? I like her don't get me wrong but someone like Anna would make more sense
  • Kirby only has 3 characters, add Bandana Dee imo
  • Only 1 punch out character in a game with 11 Pokemon
  • Louie over one of the Pikmin 3 captains?
  • 5 Sonic characters, I'd say 2 is the maximum we should ever get
  • Shantae, Shovel Knight and Banjo apparently being more deserving than Snake for some reason
I agree on everything you said.
 
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Bandanna Dee: I'm trying to keep this roster consisting of actual characters. No Waddle Dees, Toads, or Shy Guys
>says he wants to have a roster consisting of "actual" characters
>has 11 Pokemon
Quality logic.
 
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Yeah I was being nice yesterday but let me share my actual rating,

4/10

I can tell there's a lot of bias and padding going on, as not a lot of characters were actually added through their own merits. Lyn is most certainly not more desired than Anna, there are Toads, Waddle Dees, and even Shy Guys that have unique abilities, and the clone corner is a terrible concept, I mean why have clones when you can have unique characters? All of them can be unique characters. Snake being less logical than Shantae, Banjo, and especially Shovel Knight is an upsurd claim, not to mention Gengar (Although I like him) is kinda random, there are a lot of people who want him, true, and he did win the Pokken poll, true, but he's just not what I'd call an ideal Pokemon. Not to mention the overconsumption of Sonic characters is what also irks me... Louie over :4alph:is also something that definitely doesn't make sense.
 
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Also Gorro over Jody Summer...

Wat?

I mean I get that he's a Assist and all but Jody is much more important to the series as a whole, to me putting him in over Jody is basically the equivalent of putting Mr. Resetti over Tom Nook or Isabelle.
 
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Thinking about it, having a hundred characters could make for an interesting exercise in seeing what you come up with, or how long it would take before you start scraping the bottom of the barrel. Maybe we could try it and see how it turns out?

This is my attempt:



I took the roster I had previously, which had 80 characters (I've explained those additions elsewhere, and I don't want to take too much room), and added, roughly in order:

1. Sceptile: a common suggestion when I've posted my roster in the past; the generation three starters all seem pretty popular, and Sceptile is playable in Pokken Tournament.

2. Heihachi: Tekken is one of the better-known fighting game franchises, and Heihachi seems like one of the closest things we can get to a third party villain who's central to his series, along with Dracula from Castlevania.

3. Andy: Advance Wars has been around for a while; though it's been ignored in recent years in favour of Fire Emblem, some people have convinced me that he could be interesting.

4. Ghirahim: the three boss fights in Skyward Sword gave him a lot to work with, he's an entertaining and strange character, and he seems to be pretty popular if his role in Hyrule Warriors is any indication.

5. Hades: if I'm going to add another Kid Icarus character, he seems like the most entertaining option, though I debated for a while between him and Medusa.

6. Tiki: I don't know much about Fire Emblem, but she's a recurring character, which seems pretty rare for that franchise, and while she transforms into a dragon like Corrin, they're very different (with Tiki being a medieval European style dragon, and Corrin looking more like a deer with wings).

7. Alph: surprised he wasn't promoted to a clone over Dark Pit; just give him Rock Pikmin (can't latch on or be thrown as far, but send people flying) and Flying Pikmin (can be thrown far, and make it easier to knock opponents away, but very delicate), change a few basic moves, and that's already more differences than Dark Pit has with Pit.

8. Masked Man: while his body type is similar to Lucas and Ness, his attacks would be very, very different. Plus, he seems like a popular choice among the Mother fandom.

9. Excitebiker: Mario Kart 8 got me interested in the idea of an HD Excitebike stage, and between Excitebike, the other Excite games, and possibly Mach Rider, there's a good amount of material that they could reference.

10. Dillon: I haven't played Dillon's Rolling Western, but it seems to be a popular eShop title, and he seems to be a decently popular choice for inclusion.

11. Fiora: haven't unlocked her in Xenoblade Chronicles yet (though Smash and the internet spoiled me on her upcoming role), but it seems to me that she'd be quite different from Shulk and Elma, and is popular enough to get into Project X Zone 2 over Shulk.

12. Fawful: thought about including Geno, but I didn't want to go overboard with Square-Enix characters, and Fawful is easily one of the best parts of the Mario and Luigi games.

13. Kamek: one commenter on another site pointed out to me that he appears much more often than just in Yoshi games, so there's a lot to work with; plus, given the abilities that Magikoopas have demonstrated over the years, he could be pretty fun to use.

14. Captain Syrup: she's a recurring boss in the Wario Land games; I feel like they could use more attention in Smash Bros., and she's been around for as long as Wario's had his own series.

15. Sylux: easily the most popular of the Prime bounty hunters, and seemingly the only one (with the possible exception of Weavel, the Space Pirate) who has any sort of future.

16. Badge Arcade Bunny: partially chosen as a joke character, partially because he's one of the more legitimately entertaining characters that Nintendo's produced in recent years

17. Mr. Sandman: there's a lot of interesting choices as far as Punch-Out boxers go, but Sandman is closest that we can get to having Mike Tyson in Smash. Aran Ryan is a runner-up, because his fighting style of "outright cheating" makes a pretty good contrast to Mac's legitimate boxing.

18. Deathborn: I figure he'd be more interesting than having Black Shadow with Ganondorf's old fighting style; I feel like Ganondorf only needs to be changed slightly to make him feel more like himself (just change the Warlock Punch and Warlock Kick to something more fitting)

19. Isabelle: she certainly seems to be incredibly popular among the Animal Crossing fandom, and given her klutzy nature, she could be pretty entertaining to use.

20. Alexandra Roivas: she was the last character that I came up with; I've never played the game, but Eternal Darkness is owned by Nintendo, it's one of the few genres (survival horror) that hasn't been in Smash, and it seems to have a wide variety of weapons and magical abilities, which could make for an interesting moveset. (plus, as a final smash, making use of the Sanity Meter could be fun; the game could make characters shrink or grow at random, randomly spout lines of poetry, or do all sorts of ridiculous things, ending in a fake game crash screen)

I'll be honest, I started reaching around 13 or so. Still, it was pretty fun, and got me thinking about series, games, and characters that I wouldn't normally consider.
 
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Thinking about it, having a hundred characters could make for an interesting exercise in seeing what you come up with, or how long it would take before you start scraping the bottom of the barrel. Maybe we could try it and see how it turns out?

This is my attempt:



I took the roster I had previously, which had 80 characters (I've explained those additions elsewhere, and I don't want to take too much room), and added, roughly in order:

1. Sceptile: a common suggestion when I've posted my roster in the past; the generation three starters all seem pretty popular, and Sceptile is playable in Pokken Tournament.

2. Heihachi: Tekken is one of the better-known fighting game franchises, and Heihachi seems like one of the closest things we can get to a third party villain who's central to his series, along with Dracula from Castlevania.

3. Andy: Advance Wars has been around for a while; though it's been ignored in recent years in favour of Fire Emblem, some people have convinced me that he could be interesting.

4. Ghirahim: the three boss fights in Skyward Sword gave him a lot to work with, he's an entertaining and strange character, and he seems to be pretty popular if his role in Hyrule Warriors is any indication.

5. Hades: if I'm going to add another Kid Icarus character, he seems like the most entertaining option, though I debated for a while between him and Medusa.

6. Tiki: I don't know much about Fire Emblem, but she's a recurring character, which seems pretty rare for that franchise, and while she transforms into a dragon like Corrin, they're very different (with Tiki being a medieval European style dragon, and Corrin looking more like a deer with wings).

7. Alph: surprised he wasn't promoted to a clone over Dark Pit; just give him Rock Pikmin (can't latch on or be thrown as far, but send people flying) and Flying Pikmin (can be thrown far, and make it easier to knock opponents away, but very delicate), change a few basic moves, and that's already more differences than Dark Pit has with Pit.

8. Masked Man: while his body type is similar to Lucas and Ness, his attacks would be very, very different. Plus, he seems like a popular choice among the Mother fandom.

9. Excitebiker: Mario Kart 8 got me interested in the idea of an HD Excitebike stage, and between Excitebike, the other Excite games, and possibly Mach Rider, there's a good amount of material that they could reference.

10. Dillon: I haven't played Dillon's Rolling Western, but it seems to be a popular eShop title, and he seems to be a decently popular choice for inclusion.

11. Fiora: haven't unlocked her in Xenoblade Chronicles yet (though Smash and the internet spoiled me on her upcoming role), but it seems to me that she'd be quite different from Shulk and Elma, and is popular enough to get into Project X Zone 2 over Shulk.

12. Fawful: thought about including Geno, but I didn't want to go overboard with Square-Enix characters, and Fawful is easily one of the best parts of the Mario and Luigi games.

13. Kamek: one commenter on another site pointed out to me that he appears much more often than just in Yoshi games, so there's a lot to work with; plus, given the abilities that Magikoopas have demonstrated over the years, he could be pretty fun to use.

14. Captain Syrup: she's a recurring boss in the Wario Land games; I feel like they could use more attention in Smash Bros., and she's been around for as long as Wario's had his own series.

15. Sylux: easily the most popular of the Prime bounty hunters, and seemingly the only one (with the possible exception of Weavel, the Space Pirate) who has any sort of future.

16. Badge Arcade Bunny: partially chosen as a joke character, partially because he's one of the more legitimately entertaining characters that Nintendo's produced in recent years

17. Mr. Sandman: there's a lot of interesting choices as far as Punch-Out boxers go, but Sandman is closest that we can get to having Mike Tyson in Smash. Aran Ryan is a runner-up, because his fighting style of "outright cheating" makes a pretty good contrast to Mac's legitimate boxing.

18. Deathborn: I figure he'd be more interesting than having Black Shadow with Ganondorf's old fighting style; I feel like Ganondorf only needs to be changed slightly to make him feel more like himself (just change the Warlock Punch and Warlock Kick to something more fitting)

19. Isabelle: she certainly seems to be incredibly popular among the Animal Crossing fandom, and given her klutzy nature, she could be pretty entertaining to use.

20. Alexandra Roivas: she was the last character that I came up with; I've never played the game, but Eternal Darkness is owned by Nintendo, it's one of the few genres (survival horror) that hasn't been in Smash, and it seems to have a wide variety of weapons and magical abilities, which could make for an interesting moveset. (plus, as a final smash, making use of the Sanity Meter could be fun; the game could make characters shrink or grow at random, randomly spout lines of poetry, or do all sorts of ridiculous things, ending in a fake game crash screen)

I'll be honest, I started reaching around 13 or so. Still, it was pretty fun, and got me thinking about series, games, and characters that I wouldn't normally consider.
I like this roster alot.

I'm also glad that you gave reasonable explainations for all the characters, and didn't add any outrageous editions.

Final rating: 8/10
 

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Thinking about it, having a hundred characters could make for an interesting exercise in seeing what you come up with, or how long it would take before you start scraping the bottom of the barrel. Maybe we could try it and see how it turns out?

This is my attempt:



I took the roster I had previously, which had 80 characters (I've explained those additions elsewhere, and I don't want to take too much room), and added, roughly in order:

1. Sceptile: a common suggestion when I've posted my roster in the past; the generation three starters all seem pretty popular, and Sceptile is playable in Pokken Tournament.

2. Heihachi: Tekken is one of the better-known fighting game franchises, and Heihachi seems like one of the closest things we can get to a third party villain who's central to his series, along with Dracula from Castlevania.

3. Andy: Advance Wars has been around for a while; though it's been ignored in recent years in favour of Fire Emblem, some people have convinced me that he could be interesting.

4. Ghirahim: the three boss fights in Skyward Sword gave him a lot to work with, he's an entertaining and strange character, and he seems to be pretty popular if his role in Hyrule Warriors is any indication.

5. Hades: if I'm going to add another Kid Icarus character, he seems like the most entertaining option, though I debated for a while between him and Medusa.

6. Tiki: I don't know much about Fire Emblem, but she's a recurring character, which seems pretty rare for that franchise, and while she transforms into a dragon like Corrin, they're very different (with Tiki being a medieval European style dragon, and Corrin looking more like a deer with wings).

7. Alph: surprised he wasn't promoted to a clone over Dark Pit; just give him Rock Pikmin (can't latch on or be thrown as far, but send people flying) and Flying Pikmin (can be thrown far, and make it easier to knock opponents away, but very delicate), change a few basic moves, and that's already more differences than Dark Pit has with Pit.

8. Masked Man: while his body type is similar to Lucas and Ness, his attacks would be very, very different. Plus, he seems like a popular choice among the Mother fandom.

9. Excitebiker: Mario Kart 8 got me interested in the idea of an HD Excitebike stage, and between Excitebike, the other Excite games, and possibly Mach Rider, there's a good amount of material that they could reference.

10. Dillon: I haven't played Dillon's Rolling Western, but it seems to be a popular eShop title, and he seems to be a decently popular choice for inclusion.

11. Fiora: haven't unlocked her in Xenoblade Chronicles yet (though Smash and the internet spoiled me on her upcoming role), but it seems to me that she'd be quite different from Shulk and Elma, and is popular enough to get into Project X Zone 2 over Shulk.

12. Fawful: thought about including Geno, but I didn't want to go overboard with Square-Enix characters, and Fawful is easily one of the best parts of the Mario and Luigi games.

13. Kamek: one commenter on another site pointed out to me that he appears much more often than just in Yoshi games, so there's a lot to work with; plus, given the abilities that Magikoopas have demonstrated over the years, he could be pretty fun to use.

14. Captain Syrup: she's a recurring boss in the Wario Land games; I feel like they could use more attention in Smash Bros., and she's been around for as long as Wario's had his own series.

15. Sylux: easily the most popular of the Prime bounty hunters, and seemingly the only one (with the possible exception of Weavel, the Space Pirate) who has any sort of future.

16. Badge Arcade Bunny: partially chosen as a joke character, partially because he's one of the more legitimately entertaining characters that Nintendo's produced in recent years

17. Mr. Sandman: there's a lot of interesting choices as far as Punch-Out boxers go, but Sandman is closest that we can get to having Mike Tyson in Smash. Aran Ryan is a runner-up, because his fighting style of "outright cheating" makes a pretty good contrast to Mac's legitimate boxing.

18. Deathborn: I figure he'd be more interesting than having Black Shadow with Ganondorf's old fighting style; I feel like Ganondorf only needs to be changed slightly to make him feel more like himself (just change the Warlock Punch and Warlock Kick to something more fitting)

19. Isabelle: she certainly seems to be incredibly popular among the Animal Crossing fandom, and given her klutzy nature, she could be pretty entertaining to use.

20. Alexandra Roivas: she was the last character that I came up with; I've never played the game, but Eternal Darkness is owned by Nintendo, it's one of the few genres (survival horror) that hasn't been in Smash, and it seems to have a wide variety of weapons and magical abilities, which could make for an interesting moveset. (plus, as a final smash, making use of the Sanity Meter could be fun; the game could make characters shrink or grow at random, randomly spout lines of poetry, or do all sorts of ridiculous things, ending in a fake game crash screen)

I'll be honest, I started reaching around 13 or so. Still, it was pretty fun, and got me thinking about series, games, and characters that I wouldn't normally consider.
Goddamn this is hard, I can only think of about 10 characters to add to my only 70 roster
 
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Goddam this is hard, I can only think of about 10 characters to add to my only 70 roster
Yeah, it can get pretty tough. l had to go to Wikipedia and look up a list of Nintendo-published games to come up with some of them for my list. It also helped that I tried to add at least one character per franchise, unless the franchise in question had absolutely nothing else to work with (ex. Game & Watch, Duck Hunt, Wii Fit).
 
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I'll try this
How do I upload files though?
Once you've made the roster in the Smash Bros. roster maker, go to File and then "Save Image As". Save the image wherever you want it (I believe it defaults to a folder called "rosters" wherever you've saved the Roster Maker).

Once that's done, go to a website like Imgur, upload it there, and post it here as an image. (clicking on the icon that looks like a box with a sun and mountains in it)
 
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Once you've made the roster in the Smash Bros. roster maker, go to File and then "Save Image As". Save the image wherever you want it (I believe it defaults to a folder called "rosters" wherever you've saved the Roster Maker).

Once that's done, go to a website like Imgur, upload it there, and post it here as an image. (clicking on the icon that looks like a box with a sun and mountains in it)
Thanks.
 
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Here's my 100 character roster


Note: I don't know alot of these characters so don't get mad at me if I make a mistake.
Captain Toad - Recurning, iconic, popular, etc
Kamek - Second Yoshi rep, villain
King Boo - Filler
K. Rool - No brainer
Dixie - Popular, important, recurning, etc
Lanky - Joke character
Ashley - seems quite popular
Black Shadow - Second F-Zero rep, Gets Falcondorf moveset since Ganondorf is revamped
Impa - Recurning and popular
Tingle - Recurning, somewhat popular, joke character
Vaati - recurning villain
Tetra - Filler
Ridley - No he's not too big
Dark Samus - Filler
Sylux - Filler
Viridi - Bias
Hades - Filler
Bandana Dee - Popular and important
Dark Matter - Filler
King Hippo - FIller
Slippy - Somewhat popular and has moveset potential
Porky - Filler
Wonder Red - Filler
Chorus Kids - Filler
Tyranitar - Better Gen 2 rep than Pichu, filler
Sceptile - Grass starter, Gen 3 rep
Genesect - Gen 5 rep, brings more to the table than Zoroark does imo
Anna - Recurrning character with alot of moveset potential
Elma - Popular, second Xeno rep
Sami - Filler
Isabelle - Filler
Alph - Uses Rock Pikmin instead of Purple and White ones, Olimar gets his Up B from Brawl and Alph retains the Flying Pikmin
Excitebiker - Filler
Isaac - Long overdue
Ray - Filler
Saki - Filler
Inkling - Shoe-in due to the game's success
Rayman - No comment
The Miis are seperated because I needed to fill the slots, Ivysaur and Squirtle aren't back because of the gen 1 over-representation, Young Link was replaced with Toon Link and we don't need three Links, and Pichu because it's unpopular.
Critism is welcome.
Edit: Pretty much every character that wasn't on my original list is filler
 
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Third party cuts make me sad.

Same with Nintendo purists.
To be fair, expecting 3rd Party cuts isn't unreasonable due to the fact there are outside forces that could easily prevent them from returning, as Snake is an example of.

But seeing as this is a thread about personal decisions as if you were in charge, yeah, it's a bit appalling to see people that willingly cut 3rd Parties for no reason.
 

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Here's my Realistic Roster:
i updated because my old one mostly sucked

Super Mario
:4mario:Mario
:4luigi:
Luigi
:4peach:
Peach
:4bowser:
Bowser
:substitute:
Captain Toad
:rosalina:
* Rosalina & Luma
:4bowserjr:* Bowser Jr.
:substitute:* Paper Mario or Daisy?


Mario Expanded Pack
:4yoshi:
Yoshi
:4wario:
Wario
:substitute:
* Ashley



Donkey Kong
:4dk:
Donkey Kong
:4diddy:
Diddy Kong
:substitute:
Dixie Kong
:substitute:
* King K. Rool



The Legend of Zelda
:4link:Link
:4zelda:
Zelda
:4sheik:
Shiek
:substitute:
Impa
:4ganondorf:* Ganondorf
:4tlink:* Toon Link
:substitute:* Linkle



Metroid

:4samus:Samus
:4zss:
Zero Suit Samus
:substitute:
* Sylux
:substitute:* Ridley



Kirby
:4kirby:Kirby
:4dedede:
King Dedede
:4metaknight:
* Meta Knight
:substitute:Bandana Dee



Star Fox
:4fox:Fox
:4falco:
* Falco
:wolf:* Wolf




Pokémon
:4pikachu:Pikachu
:4charizard:
Charizard
:4greninja:
Greninja
:substitute:
A Gen 8 Pokemon
:4lucario:
* Lucario
:4mewtwo:* Mewtwo
:4jigglypuff:
* Jigglypuff



Earthbound/Mother

:4ness:Ness
:4lucas:
* Lucas



Fire Emblem
:4marth:
Marth
:4myfriends:
Ike
:4robinm:
Robin
:substitute:
A Future Fire Emblem Main Protaginist
:4feroy:
* Roy
:4corrinf:* Corrin



Kid Icarus
:4pit:Pit
:4palutena:
Palutena
:substitute:
Virdi
:4darkpit:* Dark Pit



Misc.
:4falcon:Captain Falcon
:popo:Ice Climbers
:4olimar:Olimar
:4villager:Villager
:substitute:Isabelle
:4wiifit:Wii Fit Trainer
:4littlemac:Little Mac
:4shulk:Shulk
:substitute:Elma
:substitute:Inkling
:substitute:Takamaru
:substitute:
Professer Layton
:4gaw:* Mr. Game & Watch
:4rob:* R.O.B.
:4duckhunt:* Duck Hunt
:substitute:* Chorus Men
:4mii:
Mii




3rd Party
:4pacman:
Pac-Man
:4megaman:
Mega Man
:4sonic:
Sonic
:substitute:Rayman



Cuts:
:pichumelee::younglinkmelee::ivysaur::squirtle::snake::4drmario::4lucina::4ryu::4cloud::4bayonetta:


Changes:
:pichumelee:
:snake:
:4ryu:(Who is now replaced with Dark Pit)
:4cloud:
:4bayonetta:
:substitute:Waluigi (who is now replaced with Ashley)
:substitute:Black Shadow
:substitute:Dark Samus (who is now replaced with Sylux
:substitute:Hades (who is now replaced with Dark Pit)
:substitute:Cross
:substitute:Octoling
:substitute:Chibi-Robo
:substitute:Wonder Red
:substitute:Mach Rider
:substitute:Dillion
:substitute:Bomberman
:substitute:and Tails
were all removed for good
First of all, I would really appreciate if you stop tagging me in every post. Not being rude, but I don't always have the time to read and rate everything.

First of all

Mario: It should be Toad as the seventh person, not Paper Mario or Daisy
Zelda: Replace Linkle with Midna. Even with a remake, Midna is really staying in the series at this point considering how popular Twilight Princess is to get a remake
Metroid: I would replace Sylux with Dark Samus but I can't really go further since I'm not familair with Metroid
Fire Emblem: Please give me a reason to WHY Lucina got cut. There's absolutely no way she should get the boot. If anyone, it should be Doctor Mario and Bayonetta *shots fired*
KI: Take Virdi out
Esc: Take Layton out
3rd Party: Bonus points for removing Bayo since I don't see why she should be in Smash right now. As far as this category goes, I would simply add at least two more like Bomberman or Crash Bandicoot
The fact that you removed Chibi-Robo and Dillon is pretty disturbing


Overall: 7/10
 

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Here's my 100 character roster


Note: I don't know alot of these characters so don't get mad at me if I make a mistake.
Captain Toad - Recurning, iconic, popular, etc
Kamek - Second Yoshi rep, villain
King Boo - Filler
K. Rool - No brainer
Dixie - Popular, important, recurning, etc
Lanky - Joke character
Ashley - seems quite popular
Black Shadow - Second F-Zero rep, Gets Falcondorf moveset since Ganondorf is revamped
Impa - Recurning and popular
Tingle - Recurning, somewhat popular, joke character
Vaati - recurning villain
Tetra - Filler
Ridley - No he's not too big
Dark Samus - Filler
Sylux - Filler
Viridi - Bias
Hades - Filler
Bandana Dee - Popular and important
Dark Matter - Filler
King Hippo - FIller
Slippy - Somewhat popular and has moveset potential
Porky - Filler
Wonder Red - Filler
Chorus Kids - Filler
Tyranitar - Better Gen 2 rep than Pichu, filler
Sceptile - Grass starter, Gen 3 rep
Genesect - Gen 5 rep, brings more to the table than Zoroark does imo
Anna - Recurrning character with alot of moveset potential
Elma - Popular, second Xeno rep
Sami - Filler
Isabelle - Filler
Alph - Uses Rock Pikmin instead of Purple and White ones, Olimar gets his Up B from Brawl and Alph retains the Flying Pikmin
Excitebiker - Filler
Isaac - Long overdue
Ray - Filler
Saki - Filler
Inkling - Shoe-in due to the game's success
Rayman - No comment
The Miis are seperated because I needed to fill the slots, Ivysaur and Squirtle aren't back because of the gen 1 over-representation, Young Link was replaced with Toon Link and we don't need three Links, and Pichu because it's unpopular.
Critism is welcome.
Edit: Pretty much every character that wasn't on my original list is filler
I'm confused, where's Mii Brawler?
 

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Thanks!
Mind telling me what you like and dislike though?
Sure thing,
+Captain Toad, K. Rool, Dixie, Ashley, Tingle, Tetra, Sylux, Viridi, Waddle Dee, Takamaru, Chorus Kids, Anna, Elma, Sami over Andy, Alph, Isaac
=Kamek, B. Shadow, Impa, Vaati, Ridley, Dark Samus, Dark Matter, King Hippo, Porky, Wonder Red, Tyranitar, Sceptile, Isabelle, Excitebiker, Ray, Saki, Inkling
-King Boo, Lanky, Hades, Slippy, Genesect over Zoroark
 

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here i go again:glare:

* = Unlockable
:ohwell:= Semi-Clone (Luigified)


Super Mario
:4mario:Mario
:4luigi:
Luigi
:4peach:
Peach
:4bowser:
Bowser
:substitute:Captain Toad
:rosalina:
* Rosalina & Luma
:4bowserjr:* Bowser Jr.
:substitute:* Paper Mario or * Daisy:ohwell:?


Mario Expanded Pack
:4yoshi:
Yoshi
:4wario:
Wario
:substitute:
* Ashley or * Waluigi?



Donkey Kong
:4dk:
Donkey Kong
:4diddy:
Diddy Kong
:substitute:
Dixie Kong
:substitute:
* King K. Rool



The Legend of Zelda
:4link:Link
:4zelda:
Zelda
:4sheik:
Shiek
:substitute:
Impa
:4ganondorf:* Ganondorf
:4tlink:* Toon Link:ohwell:
:substitute:* Linkle



Metroid

:4samus:Samus
:4zss:
Zero Suit Samus
:substitute:
* Sylux or * Dark Samus
:substitute:* Ridley



Kirby
:4kirby:Kirby
:4dedede:
King Dedede
:4metaknight:
* Meta Knight
:substitute:Bandana Dee



Star Fox
:4fox:Fox
:4falco:
* Falco:ohwell:
:wolf:* Wolf:ohwell:




Pokémon
:4pikachu:Pikachu
:4charizard:
Charizard
:4greninja:
Greninja
:substitute:
A Gen 8 Pokemon
:4lucario:
* Lucario
:4mewtwo:* Mewtwo
:4jigglypuff:
* Jigglypuff



F-Zero

:4falcon:Captain Falcon
:substitute:
* Black Shadow:ohwell:



Earthbound/Mother

:4ness:Ness
:4lucas:
* Lucas:ohwell:



Fire Emblem
:4marth:
Marth
:4myfriends:
Ike
:4robinm:
Robin
:substitute:
A Future Fire Emblem Main Protaginist
:4feroy:
* Roy:ohwell:
:4corrinf:* Corrin



Kid Icarus
:4pit:Pit
:4palutena:
Palutena
:substitute:
Virdi
:4darkpit:* Dark Pit:ohwell:



Misc.
:popo:
Ice Climbers
:4olimar:Olimar
:4alph:* Alph:ohwell:
:4villager:Villager
:substitute:Isabelle
:4wiifit:Wii Fit Trainer
:4littlemac:Little Mac
:4shulk:Shulk
:substitute:Elma
:substitute:Inkling
:substitute:Takamaru
:substitute:Wonder Red

:substitute:Sami
:substitute:Professer Layton
:substitute:Chibi-Robo
:4gaw:* Mr. Game & Watch
:4rob:* R.O.B.
:4duckhunt:* Duck Hunt
:substitute:* Dillion
:substitute:* Chorus Kids
:4mii:
Mii




3rd Party
:4pacman:
Pac-Man
:4megaman:
Mega Man
:4sonic:
Sonic
:substitute:Rayman
:4ryu:* Ryu
:4cloud:
* Cloud
:substitute:* Heihachi
:4bayonetta:* Bayonetta
:substitute:* Bomberman



Changes
i brought back Waluigi, Black Shadow, Dark Samus, Wonder Red, Chibi-Robo, Dillion, Bomberman, Ryu, Cloud and Bayonetta
i added Sami and Alph as his own character


[/Spolier]
:smirk:Show me your opinons
What you like about it?
What you don't like about it?
 
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My only thought on your roster is: why don't you put it in spoiler tags or use the Roster Maker like everyone else so it doesn't use up so much space?
 

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My only thought on your roster is: why don't you put it in spoiler tags or use the Roster Maker like everyone else so it doesn't use up so much space?
1. i'm using a rental laptop for high school which means i cannot download anything (expect images and something school related)
2. i can't get on imgur, reddit, deviantart because school rental laptop
3. i don't have enough money for a real laptop instead of a rental one
 

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1. i'm using a rental laptop for high school which means i cannot download anything (expect images and something school related)
2. i can't get on imgur, reddit, deviantart because school rental laptop
3. i don't have enough money for a real laptop instead of a rental one
Then put it in spoiler tags. Posting your roster once, twice, or three times with no spoiler tags isn't that huge of deal but you post updated versions of yours at least a couple times a week. They should really put into spoiler tags.
 

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Megadoomer Megadoomer

I wanna clear something up with Mega Doomer. I over reacted a little. Let me try to explain something. You're not wrong in asking for more representation of a franchise in the roster. I thought you made a good point that the rival bounty hunters would be a good idea to add in a 100 character roster. The point of the 100 character roster is not to add characters that wouldn't make it in otherwise. It's simply one of the benefits of a 100 character roster. That's why I added lesser characters like Midna, Daisy, and Gengar. The reason they got in was because of their popularity and in a 100 character roster, adding them doesn't have any negative consequences. There is no "Well, they took the place that could have been given to a more important character. All the most important characters are on the roster. The addition of other Sonic characters, requests like Midna, or clone like characters like Dry Bowser are just the icing on the cake.

So with characters like Midna and Ghirahim on my roster, it was wrong of me to be so outraged that you asked for requested characters like Dark Matter & Giygas. My outrage came from the fact that it seemed all you cared about is if a character was female or if a character could boost the number of representatives. You don't seem to care about the actual merits. You also don't seem to care that characters like Krystal & Giygas would stand out way too much from the original characters of the IP and would ruin the line up.

But, I still have standards even when it comes to 100 character roster (unlike all my previous rosters back in 2014). I went into thi roster with the intention of matching the standards of character in Smash 4, but without ruling out anything new or controversial. I don't feel like the characters you mentioned (Dark Matter, Adeline, Giygas, Krystal or Waddle "Bandana" Dee were important compared to the characters I added. And their importance is certainly not your reason for wanting them.

I still think characters like Daisy, Gengar, Midna, & Dry Bowser are much better known and have way more fans that would like to see them when you take away the "all clones are automatically bad and destroy diversity" mentality. Clones bring diversity. They bring diversity to the characters we love and the move sets we have become so familiar with. Even characters like Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, & Dry Bowser are more popular simply because the characters they originate from are so popular. These characters and their legacies hold up way better than characters like Dark Matter, Krystal, Sylux, or Giygas.

Bandana Dee is one of the major 4 though.

Like it or not he is making a bigger name for himself, he's only a rising star at the moment but things will change soon enough.

And calling him a "Generic enemy" would be largely discrediting him.
So Bandana Dee is one of the original 4, yet you complain about Amy. I'm sorry, but putting a bandana on an enemy and making them playable in a recent game doesn't make them a significant character. You should look at it more from the perspective of what he's contributed to Nintendo's history and if Waddle Dee is really a character you could make a trailer for or put on the box art and people will be like "Yeah, that's one of my favorite Nintendo characters." You could argue for Toad, but if even he's not enough of a character, neither is Bandana Dee. Not much else to say.

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>says he wants to have a roster consisting of "actual" characters
>has 11 Pokemon
Quality logic.
It is quality logic. That's probably why you don't understand it. But, I guess I'll explain the obvious yet again.

Go figure that a 100 character roster would focus in on Pokemon (an RPG combat series consisting of over 600 unique and popular Nintendo creations/merchandise selling movie stars) would be a primary source of fighters to build up a roster. Even in Brawl there were more Pokemon than any other series. And I only picked the most popular ones. I picked the most popular gen wunners, brought back the veterans, and represented each generation (Zoroark is just the placeholder for Gen 7).
Are you really comparing
Waddle Dee to Yoshi & Pikachu??? Is it really this complicated? Is it really? Apparently according to the number of likes your post has. The answer is (unsurprisingly): Yes. Of course it is. It's so hard for you to understand that you're wise cracking logic lacking jokes as if you think you know what you're talking about. I wish I could say this is unbelievable. But, it's not.

Compares Generic Enemy Waddle Dee = Money Printing, Main Characters Yoshi & Pikachu. You have achieved...

:starman: PERFECT LOGIC!!! :starman:
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Also Gorro over Jody Summer...

Wat?

I mean I get that he's a Assist and all but Jody is much more important to the series as a whole

I have quite a few issues, for starters:
  • That's a lot of Mario characters, I mean Daisy, Waluigi, Paper as well as 2 DK reps.
  • Toon Zelda over Tetra?
  • 4 new Zelda reps is a little much too, I'd remove Midna and Ghirahim as they are kind of a one time deal in a series with tons of games
  • Only 2 metroid reps in a game that has 11 Pokemon characters, I'd add Ridley, Sylux or Dark Samus, or all 3
  • That's a lot of Pokemon, I'd remove gengar in particular as he's not that important and is a little random and one of the gen 5 reps
  • Lyn of all the Fire Emblem characters? I like her don't get me wrong but someone like Anna would make more sense
  • Kirby only has 3 characters, add Bandana Dee imo
  • Only 1 punch out character in a game with 11 Pokemon
  • Louie over one of the Pikmin 3 captains?
  • 5 Sonic characters, I'd say 2 is the maximum we should ever get, I say remove Metal, Amy and either Knuckles or Tails
  • Shantae, Shovel Knight and Banjo apparently being more deserving than Snake for some reason
  • The clone corner, just put them with their series, it just looks bad, I also don't see the point of adding to the clone corner when unique characters exist, I say remove Dry Bowser, Metal, Starly, Pichu and make Impa a unique character instead.


I can tell there's a lot of bias and padding going on, as not a lot of characters were actually added through their own merits.
I mean why have clones when you can have unique characters? All of them can be unique
Ah, thanks for telling me.

It's a great roster.
No outrageous choices

8/10


I'm done. Goodbye, everyone. I'll remember you all in therapy.
 
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Sure thing,
+Captain Toad, K. Rool, Dixie, Ashley, Tingle, Tetra, Sylux, Viridi, Waddle Dee, Takamaru, Chorus Kids, Anna, Elma, Sami over Andy, Alph, Isaac
=Kamek, B. Shadow, Impa, Vaati, Ridley, Dark Samus, Dark Matter, King Hippo, Porky, Wonder Red, Tyranitar, Sceptile, Isabelle, Excitebiker, Ray, Saki, Inkling
-King Boo, Lanky, Hades, Slippy, Genesect over Zoroark
Fair enough.
Thanks for the feedback!
 
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I wanna clear something up with Mega Doomer. I over reacted a little. Let me try to explain something. You're not wrong in asking for more representation of a franchise in the roster. I thought you made a good point that the rival bounty hunters would be a good idea to add in a 100 character roster. The point of the 100 character roster is not to add characters that wouldn't make it in otherwise. It's simply one of the benefits of a 100 character roster. That's why I added lesser characters like Midna, Daisy, and Gengar. The reason they got in was because of their popularity and in a 100 character roster, adding them doesn't have any negative consequences. There is no "Well, they took the place that could have been given to a more important character. All the most important characters are on the roster. The addition of other Sonic characters, requests like Midna, or clone like characters like Dry Bowser are just the icing on the cake.

So with characters like Midna and Ghirahim on my roster, it was wrong of me to be so outraged that you asked for requested characters like Dark Matter & Giygas. My outrage came from the fact that it seemed all you cared about is if a character was female or if a character could boost the number of representatives. You don't seem to care about the actual merits. You also don't seem to care that characters like Krystal & Giygas would stand out way too much from the original characters of the IP and would ruin the line up.

But, I still have standards even when it comes to 100 character roster (unlike all my previous rosters back in 2014). I went into thi roster with the intention of matching the standards of character in Smash 4, but without ruling out anything new or controversial. I don't feel like the characters you mentioned (Dark Matter, Adeline, Giygas, Krystal or Waddle "Bandana" Dee were important compared to the characters I added. And their importance is certainly not your reason for wanting them.

I still think characters like Daisy, Gengar, Midna, & Dry Bowser are much better known and have way more fans that would like to see them when you take away the "all clones are automatically bad and destroy diversity" mentality. Clones bring diversity. They bring diversity to the characters we love and the move sets we have become so familiar with. Even characters like Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, & Dry Bowser are more popular simply because the characters they originate from are so popular. These characters and their legacies hold up way better than characters like Dark Matter, Krystal, Sylux, or Giygas.



So Bandana Dee is one of the original 4, yet you complain about Amy. I'm sorry, but putting a bandana on an enemy and making them playable in a recent game doesn't make them a significant character. You should look at it more from the perspective of what he's contributed to Nintendo's history and if Waddle Dee is really a character you could make a trailer for or put on the box art and people will be like "Yeah, that's one of my favorite Nintendo characters." You could argue for Toad, but if even he's not enough of a character, neither is Bandana Dee. Not much else to say.

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It is quality logic. That's probably why you don't understand it. But, I guess I'll explain the obvious yet again.

Go figure that a 100 character roster would focus in on Pokemon (an RPG combat series consisting of over 600 unique and popular Nintendo creations/merchandise selling movie stars) would be a primary source of fighters to build up a roster. Even in Brawl there were more Pokemon than any other series. And I only picked the most popular ones. I picked the most popular gen wunners, brought back the veterans, and represented each generation (Zoroark is just the placeholder for Gen 7).
Are you really comparing
Waddle Dee to Yoshi & Pikachu??? Is it really this complicated? Is it really? Apparently according to the number of likes your post has. The answer is (unsurprisingly): Yes. Of course it is. It's so hard for you to understand that you're wise cracking logic lacking jokes as if you think you know what you're talking about. I wish I could say this is unbelievable. But, it's not.

Compares Generic Enemy Waddle Dee = Money Printing, Main Characters Yoshi & Pikachu. You have achieved...

:starman: PERFECT LOGIC!!! :starman:
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I'm done. Goodbye, everyone. I'll remember you all in therapy.
I think that you're way wrong in saying DRY BOWSER has more fans then Bandana Dee. Bandana Dee has got a massive fanbase in Japan believe it or not.

I think you're getting way too mad over Waddle Dee = Bandana Dee. I've never seen a Waddle Dee use a spear and fly around with it. Bandana Dee has been stated numerous times to be his own character so your logic is very flimsy. Also, you think TOAD isn't enough of a character? Are you kidding me? He's also one of the "main 4" you like so much.

I can see why he's complaining about Amy because she's NOT one of the original 4. Amy literally leads her own team consisting of her, Cream, and Big. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles are the main trio, and while Amy is a main character, she is not part of the trio.

People want Eggman for more then him being a villain. He's important to gaming history and Sonic history (he's more important then Amy by far, being the antagonist in nearly every game) and is a hilarious and well-loved character. He also could bring a ton of awesome moves in his moveset. Him being a villain is just icing on the cake.

Bandana Dee is uncomparable to Yoshi and Pikachu I will admit but you don't gotta be so condescending about it.

..Also, people commenting negatively on your roster ends up in you saying you'll see us all in therapy?
 
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Apparently if a put a character that I like is a bad roster (?)

This is my old roster...

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But looks like people are doing 100 Characters Roster.

I'm going to be honest... I try to appease many fans with the no "cuts" (take the Fire Emblem Icon as Corrin if you want) and put some of the most popular characters in the Smash Fandom. The only option that was completely biased was Micaiah (Micaiah is the only character that I want and I'm hoping everyday... I would never care about Smash Speculation again)... My other biased options was cutted with the intention to appeal more people.

So... If I try to do a Roster with 100 Character probably I will see the most popular characters in the rosters xD.
 
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