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It's a dangerous mindset to get into.
That is fair, but I believe there are ups and downs to it.
I personally believe in the Ridley is too big argument.
Fair enough - the Ridley thing is a matter of perspective (I personally feel like he could work, but I don't want to get into that again), and Fire Emblem did have way too many characters this time around. (kind of ridiculous when a series which doesn't have much of a presence outside of Japan gets as many playable characters as Pokemon)
I forgot about Golden Sun, would've added Isaac but simply forgot. Don't see why W101 shouldn't get repped, if it gets a sequel mostly but either way yea.
Why make some of the newcomers SPECIFICALLY DLC?
Needs more Vaati.
I only made the less important/relevant characters (that aren't clones) into DLC. Along with excessive Third-Party additions
I'll explain myself.
People might not remember the game Tales of Symphonia, so here's a hint as to what it is. This is the game Lloyd (in ssf2) made his cameo in.So here's a fun thread. I felt like making this based on all the DLC wishlist threads and such. It also combines another idea if the reader could pick the unlockables. If you could pick out the roster for an upcoming Smash Bros. game, who would be in it? Would anyone from Smash 4 be cut? Reasonings and explanations are welcome!!
A few small restrictions to make sure this doesn't get haywire?
-No more than 70 characters. I feel this limit is more than enough to fit as many newcomers as you can push in.
-No more than 2 newcomers to a series. This is simply to avoid oversaturation of a series with representatives.
-You can cut up to 5 characters off the Smash 4 roster. Don't want 'em in your hypothetical roster? Get rid of 'em!
-You can have up to 5 third party characters. Wanna bring back Snake? Think Rayman deserves a home in Smash? Throw 'em in!
-Mii Fighters can count either as 1 slot together or 1 fighter per archetype, your choice
Also you can list which are unlockable, and which are starters! Heck, if you wanted some of them as DLC, you can list those as such too.
With that I'll list my list. I'm gonna be super organized with mine.
RETURNING VETERANS
From Smash 64:
1. Mario
2. Donkey Kong
3. Link
4. Samus
5. Yoshi
6. Kirby
7. Fox
8. Pikachu
9. Jigglypuff
10. Captain Falcon
11. Luigi
12. Ness
From Melee:
13. Dr. Mario(2)*
14. Peach
15. Bowser
16. Zelda
17. Sheik
18. Ganondorf*
19. Falco*
20. Mewtwo*
21. Ice Climbers
22. Marth
23. Roy(1)(2)*
24. Mr. Game & Watch*
From Brawl:
25. Wario
26. Diddy Kong
27. Toon Link
28. Zero Suit Samus
29. Meta Knight
30. King Dedede
31. Wolf(1)(2)*
32. Charizard
33. Lucario
34. Ike
35. Pit
36. Lucas(1)(2)
37. Olimar
38. R.O.B.*
39. Snake*
40. Sonic
From Smash 4:
41. Rosalina & Luma
42. Bowser Jr.*
43. Greninja
44. Robin
45. Palutena
46. Dark Pit(2)*
47. Little Mac
48. Villager
49. Wii Fit Trainer
50. Shulk
51. Duck Hunt*
52. Mega Man
53. Pac-Man
-Mii Fighters (all three types return)
(1) Was not present in Smash 4, returning from previously being dropped
(2) With more moveset differences to declone them further
NEWCOMERS
54. Captain Toad (Mario)
55. Andy (Advance Wars)
56. Isaac (Golden Sun)*
57. Ray (Custom Robo)*
58. Nintendoji (Nintendoji)*
59. Bayonetta (Bayonetta)
60. Simon Belmont (Castlevania)*
-New Mii Fighters (Ranger and Martial Artist)
Reasoning for certain choices...
Lucina cut: I feel that Roy would replace her as a fighter. This is mostly because it helps to represent the whole of the Fire Emblem series a bit better, as Awakening already has Robin, a far more unique fighter. As much as Lucina is liked, I would rather her cut in order to allow Roy to return both to allow a decent amount of Fire Emblem reps that also give a varied representation of the series.
Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, Lucas, Roy, Wolf: All of them have potential as returning characters. Several changes could be made to most of them to give them some more uniqueness amongs the characters they are clones of.
I took a bit of a minimalistic approach to adding newcomers. I wanted to focus more on rounding out the roster while adding a few choices that would surprise the average player.
* = unlockable
So, who would you have?
Agreed. Wolf is not a clone. He has his own moveset. In fact Falco is more of a clone than wolf. Wolf has a different reflector, side special and his up b has suction. He has no infinite jab. His standard special has a physical hitbox to it.
Would Metal Sonic's FS be the unibeam from Sonic The Fighters or Super Metal Sonic from Sonic & Knuckles?Roster update:
Linkle was removed as an alt for Link.
Also if these Beyond Good and Evil 2 rumors are true then Rayman and Jade are going on my roster.
Please dont reply to posts that are over a year old.
Metal Sonic is an alt... And we're talking about rosters not movesets... Also something seems a bit familiar about you...
"they're on to me."
Oh alright, hi there...
I don't think we need 4 Pikmin reps. Why not just Olimar, Louie, and Alph? Unnecessary to have another one.
How is having Alph & Brittany as costumes having 4 Pikmin reps? And how is that too many when they aren't even separate characters. Why would I have Olimar, Louie, and Alph as separate characters? What would make Alph different from Olimar and Louie.
Sorry if I acted rude by the way. I've had problems with that. But stop saying your opinions are "no brainers" and "obvious" please you're gretting very in your face about it.
Initially I was impressed...
WHOA WHOA WHOA YOU BACK IT UP
You seem to take a lot of offense when people insult your roster decisions but then you go ahead and say this
this
and most importantly this
You need to chill dude.
I'd love to know where this came from, as I hardly take offense at all, I merely explain the reasoning as to why I chose them.
Please stop putting words in my mouth, most of my complaints were personal gripes, not legitimate isssues...
Your logic is that Snake fits in Smash more than Bayonetta because of sexual suggestiveness? My reason for Snake not fitting in Smash is his moveset and the type of game he's from.
I don't really take offense to your rating because its entirely based on your preferences on who you want in Smash. Rather than the actual merits of the characters. Let me try to explain the concept of this roster.
Sorry if I was harsh, I was in a bit of a bad mood. I apologize for that.
I find it strange that, in spite of having 40+ new characters compared to Smash 4, there's not a single new Metroid character.
1. I didn't say they wee more deserving. That's subjective anyway. However Rayman (sorry for using this word so much) is more prominent. He's also more requested and Nintendo friendly. I also added Shantae & Shovel Knight for those three reasons as well.
That's because there's no Metroid characters to add. Characters should be added because they are deserving, not because it would increase the number a series has. I wouldn't add Poochy or Bald Bull because Yoshi and Punch-Out only have one character
Sonic is extremely popular as are the characters I added and the only reason a third party has more than one character is because it's a 100 character roster and Sonic is Nintendo friendly. Again, I don't base character inclusions by how much more one series has than the other. Pokemon has more than Mario. Kid Icarus has more than Metroid. Fire Emblem has more than Star Fox. That's no reason to add characters that don't deserve the spot.
I never said they are more deserving. How ever, they are much more requested and Nintendo friendly. They also have much better move sets.
It's not because I don't like his move set. I'ts because it's unarguably bad.
Why is Mario having more characters than Earthbound a problem? What Star Fox or Earthbound character is there to add? Please don't answer that.)
If you play Starfy you will find TONS of potential for a moveset. And Starly is only a clone. Is having 2 characters (one which is simply a clone) too much for a game with 5 installments?
All I will say more on this subject is that it's about the characters. Not the numbers. The criteria for adding a character should not be "Well, we need more females" or "This one has more than that one." Each character should be added based on their own merits and what they can contribute to the game.
In my experience Gengar seems to be the most popular. Except possibly Meowth.
I appreciate the feedback.
First off, I wasn't talking about Bayo's sexuality, I was talking about the fact that she's very realistic and even has guns.
A Distant Demon
is okay with my reasoning for adding her) because I saw potential in a sythe weilder, even if she's not relevant by the time Smash 5 rolls around she has a lot of potential to be unique. Same with Ashley, who has a lot of magical and shape-shifting powers at her disposal. Arcade Bunny due to the success of his game and the fact that his badges may make him interesting, possibly with stat boosts and whatnot. And Geno because he's an action figure, and there could be a lot of interesting stuff to pull from that. I didn't add a single clone because I wanted diversity.
Iill an exaggerated fantasy world. And Bayonetta using a gun is a little different from Snake using a gun.
Why'd you add him? Grass type?
What do you mean when you say "A character people don't want"? Do you mean they'd prefer someone else? Do you mean they specifically hate those characters? Do you mean they're unrequested and therefore fans would hate the mere option to play as them? Are you saying if you were given the option to play as Dry Bowser or Gengar you would be upset? For what reason? Are they stealing the spotlight from someone else? Like who? There's 100 characters on the roster the majority of them are requested. People don't want Gengar? I'd beg to differ.
So did I. There's literally only 9 out 100 characters that are legit clones, and there characters people like anyway. If I replaced those clones with characters like Isa Jo or Sceptile because they were unique then THAT would be cramming in characters. Clones are a way of AVOIDING cramming in characters.
Aren't clones diverse? Having the option of experience a new move set and having the option to experience a move set that brings an interesting twist to a familar move set seems diverse to me. Maybe not for a character like Lucina or Dark Pit. But, isn't adding new characters as well as alternate characters adding diversity?
Who?
I would argue it's the other way around for us. Not trying to insult.
There are plenty of Metroid characters to add. Aside from Ridley (who I support, but I realize that he's a divisive issue), there's characters like Dark Samus (who, despite the name, would play very differently from Samus, as the assist trophy clearly shows), Rundas (probably the most popular of the Prime 3 bounty hunters), and Sylux (who Retro has expressed interest in using again if/when they return to the Metroid series), to name a few.
Be that as it may, you gave Sega six characters when every other third party has one, two tops. That seems kind of odd, especially since Metal Sonic and Amy are pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. Tails and Knuckles, I understand.
In general, veterans are highly requested, unique veterans especially so, going by the Smash community after the games were released and after the ballot was announced. Tails and Knuckles might have been requested, but I don't really see a relatively minor Sonic character like Metal Sonic, or indie characters like Shantae and Shovel Knight, being more demanded than a character who people had the chance to play and enjoy only to lose them in the next game. As for being more Nintendo-friendly, I'm not sure if that means much, seeing as we got Cloud and Bayonetta in the current game.
I feel like you misunderstood what I said. I'm not complaining because Mario has more characters than Earthbound in total; I'm just saying that the additions could be spread out a bit better. One big issue that people have with the current Smash game is that it focused on Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, and Mario while ignoring almost every other returning series. While this roster isn't as bad in that regard (quite a few series, like F-Zero and Pikmin, got new characters), some popular series were still blatantly ignored.
Nope, that seems reasonable, especially if Starly is a clone; I'm just not overly familiar with Starfy. What else can he do, aside from spinning?
The developers did use that logic, at least for the first point. Brawl added no female characters, they saw that, and in Smash 4, they doubled the amount of women in the game at least (adding Wii Fit Trainer, Palutena, Rosalina, Lucina, and Bayonetta through DLC), outright commenting during a pic of the day that it was something that they wanted to do for this game. As for adding more characters for certain series, think of it as being considerate towards fans of those games. It's impossible to please everyone, but if you're a fan of a certain game or series, it's exhilarating to see a new character get in, or disappointing if one of your favourite series gets ignored (especially if it happens multiple games in a row, and the series in question is supposed to be important or major).
I'll have to take your word on that one, since I haven't followed Pokemon in years. I just looked at that roster and saw it was seven generation one Pokemon compared to one of every other generation (except for gen. 5, which got two). I figured that one less Pokemon isn't going to break the roster, and adding someone from a series that you've otherwise ignored would probably make more people happy.
Sorry, let me specify a few things,
try saying sorry to me plz cause i'm gonna change my roster a bit
Isn't this pretty much the entire smash fanbase/internet though
Megadoomer
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Final Fantasy has has numerous Nintendo exclusives and Bayonetta 2 was as well.
Because they had characters worth adding. Kirby, EarthBound, and Metroid don't.
What is this constant complaint of "You're ignoring the other series characters". What other characters???? Who do you want me to add? Mother Brain? Paula? Kamek? Waddle DeeI'm not gonna add useless characters in a petty attempt to measure everything. Everytime a lesser franchise gets a character it actually deserves I"m suppose to give a bigger one a character that it doesn't?
Adding a Star Fox character that's not a clone of Fox would be both impossible and stick out like a sore thumb. Why would Krystal not be a clone of Fox? Because she used a staff in the opening cutscene of a Star Fox game that's not even a Star Fox game and is no longer canon? She'd be even more of a clone than Falco.
Obscure characters outside the context of the EarthBound fanbase. I don't understand this. We have Ness & Lucas. The two protagonists and they share a move set. Fox, Falco, and Wolf share a move set. t. Then fans wanna add a character not nearly as significant as the existing characters and with a completely different move set/characteristics.
No it really doesn't.
If we have all the most important characters from Kirby, what is the point? Dark Matter? Adeline? You wanna add these characters that nobody would know if they didn't play those specific games and wouldn't remember unless they were harcore fans because Fire Emblem's cookie is bigger than theirs?
Where's the interview where Sakurai said he added these characters because they had boobies? Pretty sure they earned their spots on the roster.
He said that's something they've wanted to do and they are happy they have. That doesn't mean they added those characters because they are female. He's happy that they've found enough female characters that deserve to be in.
Bandana Dee is one of the major 4 though.
