If you were in charge of roster picking for an upcoming Smash!!

[Luigi The President]

Apparently if a put a character that I like is a bad roster (?)

This is my old roster...

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But looks like people are doing 100 Characters Roster.

I'm going to be honest... I try to appease many fans with the no "cuts" (take the Fire Emblem Icon as Corrin if you want) and put some of the most popular characters in the Smash Fandom. The only option that was completely biased was Micaiah (Micaiah is the only character that I want and I'm hoping everyday... I would never care about Smash Speculation again)... My other biased options was cutted with the intention to appeal more people.

So... If I try to do a Roster with 100 Character probably I will see the most popular characters in the rosters xD.

Only one guy is doing a 100 character roster.
Roster's...pretty basic honestly, but it's pretty good.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Apparently if a put a character that I like is a bad roster (?)

This is my old roster...

View attachment 99438

But looks like people are doing 100 Characters Roster.

I'm going to be honest... I try to appease many fans with the no "cuts" (take the Fire Emblem Icon as Corrin if you want) and put some of the most popular characters in the Smash Fandom. The only option that was completely biased was Micaiah (Micaiah is the only character that I want and I'm hoping everyday... I would never care about Smash Speculation again)... My other biased options was cutted with the intention to appeal more people.

So... If I try to do a Roster with 100 Character probably I will see the most popular characters in the rosters xD.

Not bad, my only gripe is the amount of Pokemon, I'd cut Pichu and maybe even that extra slot too and add a Zelda rep

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Apparently if a put a character that I like is a bad roster (?)

Not only does it show it is bad roster but open grounds for people to flame you for obviously being unrealistic and not a true Nintendo fan. Insults to your intellect and questions regarding your genetics may also come into play as well as potential personal insults; depending on what character you added in that the person took offense to. Basically, it amounts to you just being a bad person with a bad roster.

*Facts stated in this post does not reflect this members opinion on the quoted person.

 

[Luigi The President]

Not only does it show it is bad roster but open grounds for people to flame you for obviously being unrealistic and not a true Nintendo fan. Insults to your intellect and questions regarding your genetics may also come into play as well as potential personal insults; depending on what character you added in that the person took offense to. Basically, it amounts to you just being a bad person with a bad roster.

*Facts stated in this post does not reflect this members opinion on the quoted person.

Dang bro you seem pretty cynical, is this thread like a notorious one or something?

 

[A Distant Demon]

Dang bro you seem pretty cynical, is this thread like a notorious one or something?

No but the smash community is.

 

[Luigi The President]

No but the smash community is.

Oh yeah true. Just thought he was referring to this thread in general.

 

[Gin Tonic]

This is the one I made:

Spoiler: Roster

Fire Emblem Symbol = Corrin
Red = Unlockable
Green = Skins

Spoiler: Reappearing characters

- Wolf
Why the hell did they cut him in the first place?

- Ice Climbers
I know the reason they were cut (damn u 3DS limitations, lol), but it's still stupid.

- Snake
Oh man, he was one of the most unique and fun characters in Brawl. He just needs to come back.

Spoiler: New characters

- Waluigi
Staple, lol. I initially expected him to be in Sm4sh.

- Captain Toad
Staple again, lol².

- King K. Rool
Everyone's favorite croc.

- Ridley
One of the most badass villains to ever exist. And probably another staple.

- Dark Matter
This one might seem a bit random but I really like him and the Kirby universe. Kirby's Dreamland 2 was one of the first Gameboy games I played as a little child.

- Krystal
She could use her staff to fight, would be something different than lasers and reflectors from the Star Fox universe, eh?

- Samurai Goroh
There are way too little F-Zero characters in Smash (exactly 1) so this one just makes sense. I mean, it's a pretty big series, so only one character seems kinda... you know.

- Black Shadow
See the reason above.

- Blaziken
When Pokemon R&S came out, I loved Blaziken and it was probably the first character I wanted to be in a future Smash game.

- Zero
I don't have any specific reason for him, seems like I just like him.

- Tails
Ever played SSF2? Yeah I know, Tails is awesome there. And he probably would be in original Smash as well.

- Banjo & Kazooie
I didn't really want to include them seperated since they make so much more sense together. Everyone who played Banjo Tooie on N64 will understand... :3

Spoiler: Cut characters

- Mii
I don't think they really fit into a game like Smash.

- Lucina
- Dr. Mario
- Dark Pit
I really don't like the concept of clone characters. Not visually but gameplay wise (gameplay wise for example, Fox and Falco in Melee are the exact opposite of clone characters, so I wouldn't consider Falco as much of a clone as for example Dr. Mario). All these three characters don't really feel unique enough when I play them to have their own slots imo. They should be character skin alts like male Wii Fit Trainer or the Bowser Jr. skins.

Spoiler: New skin alts

- Lucina
for Marth

- Dr. Mario
for Mario

- Dark Pit
for Pit

- Boshi
for Yoshi
Boshi's not popular enough to be a completely new character, but he should at least be a skin. I mean come on, it's a Yoshi with freaking sunglasses.

- Captain Toadette
Why not?

- Young Link
for Toon Link
I always liked Young Link more than Toon. But like many other, making him an own slot would be overkill.

- Meta Ridley
for Ridley
Meta Ridley looks even more badass than original Ridley imo.

- Pichu
for Pikachu
Originally appeared in Melee, so why not.

 

[Luigi The President]

This is the one I made:

Spoiler: Roster

Fire Emblem Symbol = Corrin
Red = Unlockable
Green = Skins

Spoiler: Reappearing characters

- Wolf
Why the hell did they cut him in the first place?

- Ice Climbers
I know the reason they were cut (damn u 3DS limitations, lol), but it's still stupid.

- Snake
Oh man, he was one of the most unique and fun characters in Brawl. He just needs to come back.

Spoiler: New characters

- Waluigi
Staple, lol. I initially expected him to be in Sm4sh.

- Captain Toad
Staple again, lol².

- King K. Rool
Everyone's favorite croc.

- Ridley
One of the most badass villains to ever exist. And probably another staple.

- Dark Matter
This one might seem a bit random but I really like him and the Kirby universe. Kirby's Dreamland 2 was one of the first Gameboy games I played as a little child.

- Krystal
She could use her staff to fight, would be something different than lasers and reflectors from the Star Fox universe, eh?

- Samurai Goroh
There are way too little F-Zero characters in Smash (exactly 1) so this one just makes sense. I mean, it's a pretty big series, so only one character seems kinda... you know.

- Black Shadow
See the reason above.

- Blaziken
When Pokemon R&S came out, I loved Blaziken and it was probably the first character I wanted to be in a future Smash game.

- Zero
I don't have any specific reason for him, seems like I just like him.

- Tails
Ever played SSF2? Yeah I know, Tails is awesome there. And he probably would be in original Smash as well.

- Banjo & Kazooie
I didn't really want to include them seperated since they make so much more sense together. Everyone who played Banjo Tooie on N64 will understand... :3

Spoiler: Cut characters

- Mii
I don't think they really fit into a game like Smash.

- Lucina
- Dr. Mario
- Dark Pit
I really don't like the concept of clone characters. Not visually but gameplay wise (gameplay wise for example, Fox and Falco in Melee are the exact opposite of clone characters, so I wouldn't consider Falco as much of a clone as for example Dr. Mario). All these three characters don't really feel unique enough when I play them to have their own slots imo. They should be character skin alts like male Wii Fit Trainer or the Bowser Jr. skins.

Spoiler: New skin alts

- Lucina
for Marth

- Dr. Mario
for Mario

- Dark Pit
for Pit

- Boshi
for Yoshi
Boshi's not popular enough to be a completely new character, but he should at least be a skin. I mean come on, it's a Yoshi with freaking sunglasses.

- Captain Toadette
Why not?

- Young Link
for Toon Link
I always liked Young Link more than Toon. But like many other, making him an own slot would be overkill.

- Meta Ridley
for Ridley
Meta Ridley looks even more badass than original Ridley imo.

- Pichu
for Pikachu
Originally appeared in Melee, so why not.

Good roster! But the only choice that made me go "ooh, interesting" was Dark Matter; who personally I'd replace with Bandana Dee. Also Tails was a nice choice but I'd put in Eggman over him.

Wish we could've squeezed in Paper Mario with the new Mario reps, but sadly we can't. But you've got some other good choices to help make up for it.

I like Blaziken, nice addition. Thank you for adding Snake back.

Overall, good roster, a bit basic but a good one.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Dang bro you seem pretty cynical, is this thread like a notorious one or something?

You weren't around for Smash 4 speculation back in the 2011-2012. This thread has nothing to do with it; it just reeks of "Roster Speculation and Prediction" threads.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

@QuintonShark8714 please read my quote above as I just explained not to tag me in every post please.

First of all, I would really appreciate if you stop tagging me in every post. Not being rude, but I don't always have the time to read and rate everything.

Guys, just ignore SaturnGamer. All the dude wants is fights, hence why he's always getting banned since he insults people faster than Santana pulling insults from Glee.


As far as the 100 roster goes, not a bad idea! But would that even happen?

 

[Opossum]

So this was my shot at it. The title blatantly says "If [I was] in charge," so I took that, ran with it, and made this roster, which throws logic to the wind and makes a roster of characters that I'd like, regardless of odds.

Now that's a roster I'd take out to dinner.

 

[Antique_Gamer]

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i removed A Sun and Moon Pokemon, Hades, Wonder Red, Cross and Ryu and added A Gen 8 Pokemon, Dark Pit, Ashley and Professer Layton

I feel if Layton should be in a roster, then so should P.Wright.
Just sayin'.

Also, I don't exactly see chorus kids being a plausible character...
Couldn't nintendo just bring back Ice Climbers?

Be that as it may, you gave Sega six characters when every other third party has one, two tops. That seems kind of odd, especially since Metal Sonic and Amy are pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. Tails and Knuckles, I understand.

Have top gaming companies been too soft on SEGA? I wouldn't be surprised if they brought in Silver or Espeon to the mix.
Plus, most SEGA games have been for other consoles ever since the PS2.

4. Metal Sonic as an alt. costume wouldn't work, just like it didn't work for Dr. Mario or Dark Pit. He runs differently and his personality doesn't exactly fit a few of Sonic's moves and animations. Especially not his taunts, victory poses, final smash, up throw, up special, etc.

Let's see... Over the years Metal Sonic has gotten quite a few things that Sonic does have. For instance, they both have a "Super" version of themselves. Metal Sonic (sonic the hedgehog 2) does have an aerial attack similar to Sonic. They both have an air boost move, Sonic's being a Homing Attack, Metal Sonic's being an air boost (quite literally), they both have a dash attack, Sonic's being around since his first game, Metal's from Sonic CD (V. Maximum Overdrive Attack).
All in all, Metal sonic would be more like a Falco-Fox relationship.

 

[Deleted member]

Have top gaming companies been too soft on SEGA? I wouldn't be surprised if they brought in Silver or Espeon to the mix.
Plus, most SEGA games have been for other consoles ever since the PS2.

I see what you did there

 

[Antique_Gamer]

Spoiler: New Characters

- Blaziken
When Pokemon R&S came out, I loved Blaziken and it was probably the first character I wanted to be in a future Smash game.

Spoiler: New skin alts

- Lucina
for Marth

- Dr. Mario
for Mario

- Dark Pit
for Pit

- Boshi
for Yoshi
Boshi's not popular enough to be a completely new character, but he should at least be a skin. I mean come on, it's a Yoshi with freaking sunglasses.

- Captain Toadette
Why not?

- Young Link
for Toon Link
I always liked Young Link more than Toon. But like many other, making him an own slot would be overkill.

- Meta Ridley
for Ridley
Meta Ridley looks even more badass than original Ridley imo.

I feel you on the Toadette, Boshi, D.Mario and D.Pit costume alts. but you forgot quite a few others (in my opinion). For instance Mr L, maybe Shadow/Silver for Sonic, etc.
Though, something to think about with the change of costumes is maybe the way certain moves look with a certain costume. I'm thinkin something more like SMITE, how they run their costumes on characters. IE Kuku's Ult. vs Kukulkan's Ult.

Plus, mentioning SSF2, I feel Young Link would get his own slot but play more like MegaMan in that. Someone mentioned this elsewhere (i forgot where it was posted) but YL's down special would change his standard special like Megaman's. Either that or more like the monado. Except instead of different temporary buffs/nerfs, it would be different masks. Goron Link would be more a hard-hitter like Ganon, Zora Link would be more like Marth/Lucina, and Deku Link (Scrub Link) would be more like Jigglypuff..?

One last thing, I've noticed fighting types seem perfect for Smash games...
You aren't alone on wishing for a Blaziken my friend.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

So this was my shot at it. The title blatantly says "If [I was] in charge," so I took that, ran with it, and made this roster, which throws logic to the wind and makes a roster of characters that I'd like, regardless of odds.

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Now that's a roster I'd take out to dinner.

If we're throwing logic to the wind, surely it'd make perfect sense to slap Ridley into the roster? At least, if we're assuming that we're still going by Sakurai's logic.

Because he's always been requested, and now he's just getting more requested than ever. Honestly, Ridley's one of the first characters I could see being in a new Smash game without Sakurai, as long as they have a man who can maybe work around whatever made Sakurai unable to make Ridley playable.

Because they know people want him, and if logic's gone, so is any reason against him.

In fact, here's a roster I actually made just recently, which I'm pretty proud of, of my dream Smash roster (realistically-speaking, anyways; I could have added Banjo-Kazooie on here, but I'm not entirely sure of how likely they are, since we don't know if Nintendo's ever considered talking to Microsoft about it since the buyout);

Each third-party involved (aside from Rayman, who I really couldn't find anybody who A) wouldn't piss off fans and B) were nearly as highly-requested as him) has around two-three characters.
Basically, this roster is made to try and be as interesting as humanly possible, with new characters nobody would reasonably expect (like Galacta Knight, Pulseman, Gilius, Alex and the duo of Bub and Bob) mixed in with highly-requested ones (hence Bomberman, Simon Belmont, Lloyd Irving, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon and Rayman).

 

[Opossum]

If we're throwing logic to the wind, surely it'd make perfect sense to slap Ridley into the roster? At least, if we're assuming that we're still going by Sakurai's logic.

Because he's always been requested, and now he's just getting more requested than ever. Honestly, Ridley's one of the first characters I could see being in a new Smash game without Sakurai, as long as they have a man who can maybe work around whatever made Sakurai unable to make Ridley playable.

Because they know people want him, and if logic's gone, so is any reason against him.

In fact, here's a roster I actually made just recently, which I'm pretty proud of, of my dream Smash roster (realistically-speaking, anyways; I could have added Banjo-Kazooie on here, but I'm not entirely sure of how likely they are, since we don't know if Nintendo's ever considered talking to Microsoft about it since the buyout);
View attachment 99508
Each third-party involved (aside from Rayman, who I really couldn't find anybody who A) wouldn't piss off fans and B) were nearly as highly-requested as him) has around two-three characters.
Basically, this roster is made to try and be as interesting as humanly possible, with new characters nobody would reasonably expect (like Galacta Knight, Pulseman, Gilius, Alex and the duo of Bub and Bob) mixed in with highly-requested ones (hence Bomberman, Simon Belmont, Lloyd Irving, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon and Rayman).

I forgot Ridley. D:

My pessimism about him in general must've subconsciously bled through, haha. He should be there.

EDIT:

Now with an additional Ridley.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Dude. He made a roster based on stuff that he wants and you're still pushing a character?

 

[Opossum]

Dude. He made a roster based on stuff that he wants and you're still pushing a character?

No seriously I actually meant to have Ridley on there. It's all good.

 

[Antique_Gamer]

Dude. He made a roster based on stuff that he wants and you're still pushing a character?

Welcome to the fan-base.

EDIT:
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Though I do feel that we should start naming movesets for these characters..?
IE Papyrus: wingin it...
Lara Croft: Plays more like Snake?
Darunia: Dash atk: Goron roll (Think Sonic's dash atk)

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Dude. He made a roster based on stuff that he wants and you're still pushing a character?

It's not pushing a character because I'm not saying "YOU FORGOT RIDLEY, THIS ROSTER IS TERRIBLE". I was offering a point of critique based on his own wording and he actually said he forgot Ridley. So it's less agenda-pushing and more a helpful suggestion.

That's proper critique, not me pushing an agenda. I'd be pushing an agenda if I called any roster that didn't have Ridley on it a bad roster for not having Ridley.

 

[Deleted member]

If we're throwing logic to the wind, surely it'd make perfect sense to slap Ridley into the roster? At least, if we're assuming that we're still going by Sakurai's logic.

Because he's always been requested, and now he's just getting more requested than ever. Honestly, Ridley's one of the first characters I could see being in a new Smash game without Sakurai, as long as they have a man who can maybe work around whatever made Sakurai unable to make Ridley playable.

Because they know people want him, and if logic's gone, so is any reason against him.

In fact, here's a roster I actually made just recently, which I'm pretty proud of, of my dream Smash roster (realistically-speaking, anyways; I could have added Banjo-Kazooie on here, but I'm not entirely sure of how likely they are, since we don't know if Nintendo's ever considered talking to Microsoft about it since the buyout);
View attachment 99508
Each third-party involved (aside from Rayman, who I really couldn't find anybody who A) wouldn't piss off fans and B) were nearly as highly-requested as him) has around two-three characters.
Basically, this roster is made to try and be as interesting as humanly possible, with new characters nobody would reasonably expect (like Galacta Knight, Pulseman, Gilius, Alex and the duo of Bub and Bob) mixed in with highly-requested ones (hence Bomberman, Simon Belmont, Lloyd Irving, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon and Rayman).

Where are the KI characters, Shulk, Little Mac and WFT?

 

[Opossum]

Welcome to the fan-base.


Though I do feel that we should start naming movesets for these characters..?
IE Papyrus: wingin it...
Lara Croft: Plays more like Snake?
Darunia: Dash atk: Goron roll (Think Sonic's dash atk)

For Darunia I always pictured him as a really heavy bruiser who borrows heavily from his Hyrule Warriors appearance, and also uses different dances for some attacks.

For Lara, my general idea was to use the various equipment from the games (the reboot series in particular) for specials; her dual pistols being a side special, her up special being her leaping up and slamming her climbing axe into the stage (or foe!), and her neutral special being a fully aimable bow attack, while the down special is a crafting move that creates new arrow types (cycling between normal, fire, and poison).

For Papyrus, I detailed it in the Papyrus thread for the Character Support social group, but the basic idea was for him to use puzzle-type attacks to mess with the opponents, their movement in particular. Side special is launching the electricity orb for a hearty zap and tons of stun, up special being two leaps on the "Cool Dude" bones as a two stage recovery like Pikachu or Greninja, down special being his Blue Attack which, if it lands, gives the opponents a blue hue that makes them have increased gravity for a limited time (RIP Little Mac, in other words), and the neutral special being a bone launching out of the ground toward the foe, with each bone being either white or blue (which are stronger than white and only hit moving opponents) depending on the input during the animation.

In other words I put too much thought into unlikely ideas, but I love it.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Where are the KI characters, Shulk, Little Mac and WFT?

There's already 81 characters in this roster, and the only ones of that group I really feel I actually forgot are Pit, Palutena and Little Mac.

Besides that, there's now 84 characters. That, IMO, is plenty enough to have a few cuts. Shulk is looking like a one-game wonder, Dark Pit was a terrible idea and an easy character to absorb into Pit and WFT is one of those joke characters that I just cannot see coming back in future games.

 

[Deleted member]

There's already 81 characters in this roster, and the only ones of that group I really feel I actually forgot are Pit, Palutena and Little Mac.
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Besides that, there's now 84 characters. That, IMO, is plenty enough to have a few cuts. Shulk is looking like a one-game wonder, Dark Pit was a terrible idea and an easy character to absorb into Pit and WFT is one of those joke characters that I just cannot see coming back in future games.

Fair enough.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

There's already 81 characters in this roster, and the only ones of that group I really feel I actually forgot are Pit, Palutena and Little Mac.
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Besides that, there's now 84 characters. That, IMO, is plenty enough to have a few cuts. Shulk is looking like a one-game wonder, Dark Pit was a terrible idea and an easy character to absorb into Pit and WFT is one of those joke characters that I just cannot see coming back in future games.

What about Shulk? I kinda feel like cutting the whole Xenoblade series doesn't really make sense.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

What about Shulk? I kinda feel like cutting the whole Xenoblade series doesn't really make sense.

If I'm a game developer, the last thing I'd really want is constantly having to cycle out characters from the Xenosaga based on recent games. It's the same reason I really don't like Fire Emblem; it's always a game of "which recent characters would work and which older ones can I cut without causing an uproar?".

Besides that, Xenosaga in general is such a niche franchise that it's kind of hard to keep it represented over franchises like Metroid and DK which have overall much larger fanbases and recieve comparatively similar attention. Compared to stuff like Pokemon, Metroid, DK, Fire Emblem and especially Mario, Xenosaga doesn't exactly hold up well in terms of sales.

I guess I could maybe add a Xenosaga character as DLC, but again I just feel there's other franchises that could fill up the slack of losing Xenosaga's character (and I'd likely keep Gaur Plains anyways, so it's not like the games would be totally without representation in Smash!).

Sure, it'd be sad to have to cut him, but it's just a fact of time; I have to manage my time efficiently, and considering I have a roster of 84 to work with, 26 of which are newcomers, it's almost inevitable that some will get the boot just because there's more time to be spent elsewhere in development.

And in any case, there's nothing precluding trophies of Xenosaga characters, so it's not like Shulk could be totally removed. Just demoted to a trophy.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

If I'm a game developer, the last thing I'd really want is constantly having to cycle out characters from the Xenosaga based on recent games. It's the same reason I really don't like Fire Emblem; it's always a game of "which recent characters would work and which older ones can I cut without causing an uproar?".

Besides that, Xenosaga in general is such a niche franchise that it's kind of hard to keep it represented over franchises like Metroid and DK which have overall much larger fanbases and recieve comparatively similar attention. Compared to stuff like Pokemon, Metroid, DK, Fire Emblem and especially Mario, Xenosaga doesn't exactly hold up well in terms of sales.

I guess I could maybe add a Xenosaga character as DLC, but again I just feel there's other franchises that could fill up the slack of losing Xenosaga's character (and I'd likely keep Gaur Plains anyways, so it's not like the games would be totally without representation in Smash!).

Sure, it'd be sad to have to cut him, but it's just a fact of time; I have to manage my time efficiently, and considering I have a roster of 84 to work with, 26 of which are newcomers, it's almost inevitable that some will get the boot just because there's more time to be spent elsewhere in development.

And in any case, there's nothing precluding trophies of Xenosaga characters, so it's not like Shulk could be totally removed. Just demoted to a trophy.

Shulk is essentially the Marth of the franchise, the main character of the first game who later became the go to character when looking at the series, having at least Shulk makes sense. Also, Xenosaga is a different thing, you know that right?

 

[Deleted member]

Besides that, Xenosaga in general is such a niche franchise that it's kind of hard to keep it represented over franchises like Metroid and DK which have overall much larger fanbases and recieve comparatively similar attention. Compared to stuff like Pokemon, Metroid, DK, Fire Emblem and especially Mario, Xenosaga doesn't exactly hold up well in terms of sales.

Let's also remove Ness and Lucas by this logic then.

 

[Luigi The President]

If I'm a game developer, the last thing I'd really want is constantly having to cycle out characters from the Xenosaga based on recent games. It's the same reason I really don't like Fire Emblem; it's always a game of "which recent characters would work and which older ones can I cut without causing an uproar?".

Besides that, Xenosaga in general is such a niche franchise that it's kind of hard to keep it represented over franchises like Metroid and DK which have overall much larger fanbases and recieve comparatively similar attention. Compared to stuff like Pokemon, Metroid, DK, Fire Emblem and especially Mario, Xenosaga doesn't exactly hold up well in terms of sales.

I guess I could maybe add a Xenosaga character as DLC, but again I just feel there's other franchises that could fill up the slack of losing Xenosaga's character (and I'd likely keep Gaur Plains anyways, so it's not like the games would be totally without representation in Smash!).

Sure, it'd be sad to have to cut him, but it's just a fact of time; I have to manage my time efficiently, and considering I have a roster of 84 to work with, 26 of which are newcomers, it's almost inevitable that some will get the boot just because there's more time to be spent elsewhere in development.

And in any case, there's nothing precluding trophies of Xenosaga characters, so it's not like Shulk could be totally removed. Just demoted to a trophy.

The fact is that you just used Xenosaga every single time you meant Xenoblade and I'm not sure I can take this seriously

There's already 81 characters in this roster, and the only ones of that group I really feel I actually forgot are Pit, Palutena and Little Mac.
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Besides that, there's now 84 characters. That, IMO, is plenty enough to have a few cuts. Shulk is looking like a one-game wonder, Dark Pit was a terrible idea and an easy character to absorb into Pit and WFT is one of those joke characters that I just cannot see coming back in future games.

Apparentally adding 3 Metroid characters is more important then having Shulk?
Shulk is, as many others have stated, going to be the Marth of Xenoblade. He is the protagonist of the first game, and the most iconic, there's no reason for him not to return.
WFT is a SURPRISE character, not a joke character; she's almost universally loved. Surprised that, as much as sales seem to matter to you, you wouldn't make a character from one of the best selling Wii games of all time return.
Alex? That's...a terrible addition. Sorry but it's just....seriously? Alex over Heihachi or Jin?
Did you..actually remove Ganondorf for Ganon?

Can't help but be confused by you removing WFT but also adding Alex, Galacta Knight, and Pulseman.

But otherwise, roster could be better, not terrible though. Jack Frost > Gilus by far. Tyrantum's a weird addition, I'm guessing it's just personal preference though right? Would add Paper Mario/Toad to the Mario roster. Add Ganondorf back along with Ganon. Remove at least one of the new Metroid characters. Remove Galacta Knight. Nice retro choices though.

 

[Troykv]

Not bad, my only gripe is the amount of Pokemon, I'd cut Pichu and maybe even that extra slot too and add a Zelda rep

Pichu was mostly put for the sake to create a "no-cuts Roster" Young Link was remplaced for Toon Link as everybody knows

If I would select a Zelda Character... Probably would be Ganon or Vaati (mostly for his design)

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Wait.....hold up a moment.......did someone just suggest Xenosaga?! Even in passing or as a mistake....this shouldn't be said without considering the full gravity of the situation. Because if Xenosaga was to get into Smash.....

YES PLEASE!

 

[DarkAuraful]

Update from my last post here:

Bolded = Newcomers
Italics = Upgraded to semi-clone / unique

Default Roster:
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Bowser
4. Peach
5. Yoshi
6. Donkey Kong
7. Diddy Kong
8. Link
9. Zelda (Shiek returns to Zelda's down-b transformation)
10. Ganondorf
11. Samus
12. Captain Falcon
13. Ness
14. Kirby
15. King Dedede
16. Fox
17. Falco
18. Pikachu (I wonder if Pichu and Raichu would work as alternate costumes?)
19. Jigglypuff
20. Pokemon Trainer
21. Ice Climbers
22. Mr. Game and Watch
23. Marth
24. Ike
25. Pit
26. Wario
27. Waluigi
28. Villager
29. Wii Fit Trainer
30. Mega Man
31. Little Mac
32. Mii Fighter

Unlockable:
33. Ashley
34. Bandana Dee
35. Bowser Jr.
36. Captain Syrup
37. Dark Pit
38. Dixie Kong
39. Duck Hunt
40. Greninja
41. Inkling
42. Lucario
43. King K. Rool
44. Krystal
45. Meta Knight
46. Azura / Next Fire Emblem Main Character (hoping that he/she doesn't use a sword)
47. Next Generation 8 Starting Pokemon
48. Palutena
49. Pac-Man
50. Porky
51. Olimar
52. R.O.B.
53. Ridley
54. Robin
55. Rosalina & Luma
56. Shulk
57. Sonic
58. Takamaru
59. Toon Link / Next Child Link Representative
60. Zero Suit Samus

DLC:
61. Cloud
62. Corrin
63. Bayonetta
64. Dr. Mario
65. Fiora
66. Linkle
67. Lucas
68. Lucina
69. Mewtwo
70. Paper Mario
71. Roy
72. Ryu
73. Snake
74. Terra
75. Wolf

* No cuts.
** Veterans that were cut previously come back as DLC or default (see Pokemon Trainer).

I think I'm confident in safely assuming that this roster is a adequate improvement from my last one.

Now, if I DO have to put in cuts, that's a whole different story and update to work on.

 

[Deleted member]

I think I'll add Chandelure to my roster just to see how salty people are about it.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

The fact is that you just used Xenosaga every single time you meant Xenoblade and I'm not sure I can take this seriously

Xenosaga and Xenoblade are part of the same franchise; I just used the wrong term to describe it off memory (I'm not huge on the Xeno series). And yes, that doesn't make me a joke, it's an honest mistake.

Apparentally adding 3 Metroid characters is more important then having Shulk?
Shulk is, as many others have stated, going to be the Marth of Xenoblade. He is the protagonist of the first game, and the most iconic, there's no reason for him not to return.

Metroid is absolutely more important than having Shulk, because Metroid's been around for far longer than the Xeno series and by the time a new Smash is made, there's no doubt that Prime 4 is going to be released, making it even easier to justify some new blood on the Metroid side of things.

And guess what? People said there's no reason for Wolf not to return from Brawl to Smash 4, and he didn't return. Clearly, "no reason not to return" isn't a valid criteria for adding characters, otherwise we'd have had Wolf in Smash 4 as DLC. Iconic or not, Xeno is not a huge seller compared to, say, Mario, Donkey Kong or Metroid in the West. It's sold decently well, yes, but it's by no means a staple of Nintendo's history (like, say, Splatoon is).

WFT is a SURPRISE character, not a joke character; she's almost universally loved. Surprised that, as much as sales seem to matter to you, you wouldn't make a character from one of the best selling Wii games of all time return.

A) She is a joke character, just not the kind that's purposefully made terrible. A surprise character was Mega Man, who everybody wanted but nobody was confident in. WFT is a character nobody expected or wanted, but we got anyways.

Alex? That's...a terrible addition. Sorry but it's just....seriously? Alex over Heihachi or Jin?

Why not? Makes as much sense as anything else in Smash, and Alex is that off-the-wall kind of pick that Sakurai loves going for over the more expected characters when he has the chance.

Did you..actually remove Ganondorf for Ganon?

Ganondorf in Smash is a Ganondorf In Name Only, so at this point the only way to make a Ganondorf that's actually representative of his appearances in canon is to just replace him with the original Ganon.

Can't help but be confused by you removing WFT but also adding Alex, Galacta Knight, and Pulseman

Alex is, again, that same kind of off-the-wall Sakurai pick that WFT was. Heihachi and Jin are just so predictable that I couldn't see Sakurai going through with it; he loves curveballing us, after all.

Galacta Knight is a new character that could share some art assets with Meta Knight (base body, skeleton) but differ in fighting style, animations and other assets (using a lance and shield instead of a sword, feathery wings instead of leathery wings). Perfect way to get an extra Kirby character who isn't a generic enemy with a bandana without stretching the dev team too much.

Pulseman is the one thing I will admit is a bit of a stretch, but I feel like he'd be a really cool choice, especially since he represents a mostly-forgotten portion of GameFreak's history.

But otherwise, roster could be better, not terrible though. Jack Frost > Gilus by far.

Gilius is a pretty well-liked retro character (hell, he's popped up in Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed, unlike Jack Frost), so I feel like he may have a better chance to get into Smash then Jack Frost, especially since he seems pretty suited for Smash as a heavyweight axe user. Not that I think Jack Frost is impossible, but knowing Sakurai's penchance for retro characters, I'd think Gilius is more likely.

Tyrantum's a weird addition, I'm guessing it's just personal preference though right? Would add Paper Mario/Toad to the Mario roster. Add Ganondorf back along with Ganon. Remove at least one of the new Metroid characters. Remove Galacta Knight. Nice retro choices though.

Tyrantrum is a character that really can't be a clone of anything on the roster since he's so vastly different from them, so he's a safe pick for a Pokemon character at least for those that wouldn't be able to be clones of existing Pokemon characters.

Mario is a franchise that is incredibly hard to make satisfactory, especially since there's so many characters people want. I went with Waluigi alone because A) He's probably one of the more notable characters thanks to his newfound meme-lord status and B) I really feel like Wario needs a proper buddy for team battles. Mario has his bro/sidekick as a Team Battle partner, so Wario I feel should have his sidekick as a Team Battle partner.

I feel like Paper Mario could be a good candidate for DLC for this hypothetical game, especially depending on weither Color Splash does well in that idea. I had a lot of characters I felt could have been included but ultimately had to shave off for DLC, simply to try and avoid overbloating the base roster and leaving nothing for possible DLC. Same with Captain Toad.

As for Ganondorf....maybe, but he'd be radically different from his original Smash moveset, and much more akin to the moveset Project Ganondorf has in store for him. That's why I chose Ganon over Dorf initially; I want a Ganon that's actually going to fight like Ganon does, not like a slow and sluggish Captain Falcon wannabe.

Metroid, as a franchise, is something of an odd beast; because it doesn't do as well in Japan as it does in the States, it makes it harder to really balance it for both demographics in terms of Smash representation. I figured that I may as well cover all the most requested bases just so that those fans can finally be satisfied, since Lord knows we've been starved for attention from the Big N for long stretches.

Besides, if I add just two of the popular Metroid picks, I'm only going to make the shafted group even more angry. Better to add all three and please everyone than add two and piss off the third group.

As for Galacta Knight, I really do think he'd be a character that would be unique enough from the other Kirby characters to warrant a place on this roster. Besides him, I've only really ever seen serious requests for Bandana Dee (whom I'd probably add as DLC anyways, just to use the "DeeLC" pun! ). Besides, he's got a pair of weapons nobody in Smash has ever used before; a lance and shield. He's already winning uniqueness points with that.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Dude.

Xenosaga and Xenoblade aren't the same franchise...

Xenogears isn't related to either of them.

They have similar names and were made by the same people but aren't related. Xenoblade was only named that to respect the tearm's past work. It was going to be named Monado originally.

There is no "Xeno" series.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Xenosaga and Xenoblade are part of the same franchise; I just used the wrong term to describe it off memory (I'm not huge on the Xeno series). And yes, that doesn't make me a joke, it's an honest mistake.



Metroid is absolutely more important than having Shulk, because Metroid's been around for far longer than the Xeno series and by the time a new Smash is made, there's no doubt that Prime 4 is going to be released, making it even easier to justify some new blood on the Metroid side of things.

And guess what? People said there's no reason for Wolf not to return from Brawl to Smash 4, and he didn't return. Clearly, "no reason not to return" isn't a valid criteria for adding characters, otherwise we'd have had Wolf in Smash 4 as DLC. Iconic or not, Xeno is not a huge seller compared to, say, Mario, Donkey Kong or Metroid in the West. It's sold decently well, yes, but it's by no means a staple of Nintendo's history (like, say, Splatoon is).



A) She is a joke character, just not the kind that's purposefully made terrible. A surprise character was Mega Man, who everybody wanted but nobody was confident in. WFT is a character nobody expected or wanted, but we got anyways.


Why not? Makes as much sense as anything else in Smash, and Alex is that off-the-wall kind of pick that Sakurai loves going for over the more expected characters when he has the chance.


Ganondorf in Smash is a Ganondorf In Name Only, so at this point the only way to make a Ganondorf that's actually representative of his appearances in canon is to just replace him with the original Ganon.


Alex is, again, that same kind of off-the-wall Sakurai pick that WFT was. Heihachi and Jin are just so predictable that I couldn't see Sakurai going through with it; he loves curveballing us, after all.

Galacta Knight is a new character that could share some art assets with Meta Knight (base body, skeleton) but differ in fighting style, animations and other assets (using a lance and shield instead of a sword, feathery wings instead of leathery wings). Perfect way to get an extra Kirby character who isn't a generic enemy with a bandana without stretching the dev team too much.

Pulseman is the one thing I will admit is a bit of a stretch, but I feel like he'd be a really cool choice, especially since he represents a mostly-forgotten portion of GameFreak's history.


Gilius is a pretty well-liked retro character (hell, he's popped up in Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed, unlike Jack Frost), so I feel like he may have a better chance to get into Smash then Jack Frost, especially since he seems pretty suited for Smash as a heavyweight axe user. Not that I think Jack Frost is impossible, but knowing Sakurai's penchance for retro characters, I'd think Gilius is more likely.



Tyrantrum is a character that really can't be a clone of anything on the roster since he's so vastly different from them, so he's a safe pick for a Pokemon character at least for those that wouldn't be able to be clones of existing Pokemon characters.

Mario is a franchise that is incredibly hard to make satisfactory, especially since there's so many characters people want. I went with Waluigi alone because A) He's probably one of the more notable characters thanks to his newfound meme-lord status and B) I really feel like Wario needs a proper buddy for team battles. Mario has his bro/sidekick as a Team Battle partner, so Wario I feel should have his sidekick as a Team Battle partner.

I feel like Paper Mario could be a good candidate for DLC for this hypothetical game, especially depending on weither Color Splash does well in that idea. I had a lot of characters I felt could have been included but ultimately had to shave off for DLC, simply to try and avoid overbloating the base roster and leaving nothing for possible DLC. Same with Captain Toad.

As for Ganondorf....maybe, but he'd be radically different from his original Smash moveset, and much more akin to the moveset Project Ganondorf has in store for him. That's why I chose Ganon over Dorf initially; I want a Ganon that's actually going to fight like Ganon does, not like a slow and sluggish Captain Falcon wannabe.

Metroid, as a franchise, is something of an odd beast; because it doesn't do as well in Japan as it does in the States, it makes it harder to really balance it for both demographics in terms of Smash representation. I figured that I may as well cover all the most requested bases just so that those fans can finally be satisfied, since Lord knows we've been starved for attention from the Big N for long stretches.

Besides, if I add just two of the popular Metroid picks, I'm only going to make the shafted group even more angry. Better to add all three and please everyone than add two and piss off the third group.

As for Galacta Knight, I really do think he'd be a character that would be unique enough from the other Kirby characters to warrant a place on this roster. Besides him, I've only really ever seen serious requests for Bandana Dee (whom I'd probably add as DLC anyways, just to use the "DeeLC" pun! ). Besides, he's got a pair of weapons nobody in Smash has ever used before; a lance and shield. He's already winning uniqueness points with that.

No they aren't, the only thing they have in common is the 'Xeno' name and the developer and the naming convention has been stated to have more to do with the developers than anything. You're really comparing Shulk to Wolf? The main character of a new ongoing franchise with a unique moveset to a clone from a series that was dead at the time? Don't get me wrong, I love Wolf but that is an awful comparison.

Also, I think having 1 Xenoblade character is a little more important than 5 Metroid lmao

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Metroid is absolutely more important than having Shulk, because Metroid's been around for far longer than the Xeno series and by the time a new Smash is made, there's no doubt that Prime 4 is going to be released, making it even easier to justify some new blood on the Metroid side of things.

We will be getting:

two new Mario Kart games
four new Pokemon games
at least five new Fire Emblem games
probably a new Splatoon game
another Animal Crossing game
probably one or two Donkey Kong games
4 new Mario games
and probably a new Super Smash Bros. game

Before a new (and good) Metroid Prime game comes out (not counting Federation Force).

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

There is no "Xeno" series.

Funny, then, that there's an entire Wikipedia article dedicated to this "non-existant" Xeno series that includes Xenoblade. Doesn't really matter what the game was called during it's development (we'd be calling the Banjo series the "Project Dream series" if that were true), the game's official title is "Xenoblade Chronicles", not "Monado". It's a part of the Xeno franchise, like it or not. May not have started development as part of the franchise, but it became a part of that franchise and was released as part of that franchise.

You're really comparing Shulk to Wolf? The main character of a new ongoing franchise with a unique moveset to a clone from a series that was dead at the time? Don't get me wrong, I love Wolf but that is an awful comparison.

Wolf isn't a clone, though. He shares similar moves to Fox and Falco, but they all act very differently from those two. He's at worst a Luigification of the moveset, and the only really cloned portion of Wolf's entire moveset is his Final Smash. Sure, Shulk isn't a clone, but neither was Wolf. So yeah, I can compare the two.

Also, Star Fox wasn't dead when Brawl came out! Star Fox Command came out in 2006, only two years before Brawl released. That's not a dead franchise. F-Zero is a dead franchise. Star Fox is not.

Also, I think having 1 Xenoblade character is a little more important than 5 Metroid lmao

A) Who wouldn't jump at the chance of having Elma be DLC (thus meaning profits because people really want her playable in Smash)? She'd be 100% DLC, no question.
B) I think a lot more people want more Metroid, Star Fox and DK content then people want more Xenoblade/saga/gears/Xeno franchise content. That's the truth.
C) Xenoblade is BY NO MEANS AT ALL deserving of being placed higher on the food chain than Metroid. You know, the franchise that pioneered female protagonists in video games that weren't basically clones of male characters with sterootypically female things slapped on? That's a waaaay more important franchise than a single, somewhat popular JRPG series in a veritable flood of JRPG series.

Xenoblade is good, yes, but it's by no means "more important" than the franchise that singlehandedly changed the industry. That's the truth here. I'd seriously put the franchise that changed the industry over a decently-sucessful JRPG anyday.

EDIT:

We will be getting:

two new Mario Kart games
four new Pokemon games
at least five new Fire Emblem games
probably a new Splatoon game
another Animal Crossing game
probably one or two Donkey Kong games
4 new Mario games
and probably a new Super Smash Bros. game

Before a new (and good) Metroid Prime game comes out (not counting Federation Force).

I wouldn't bet on that, actually; E3's coming up, and Nintendo knows that people are anxious about Federation Force. I would place money that they're going to give us our first proper look at Prime 4 this E3, especially if they're showcasing the NX there; after all, what better way to get into our good graces than by revealing Prime 4 for the first time there? We already know it's being developed, and we know Sylux is going to play a major role in it, so it's probably been chugging along for a while; if I had to hazard, possibly since about when FedForce itself was being developed in 2010.

I'd place myself confident, then, that if Ridley's not in FedForce, he will be in Prime 4. No question.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Funny, then, that there's an entire Wikipedia article dedicated to this "non-existant" Xeno series that includes Xenoblade. Doesn't really matter what the game was called during it's development (we'd be calling the Banjo series the "Project Dream series" if that were true), the game's official title is "Xenoblade Chronicles", not "Monado". It's a part of the Xeno franchise, like it or not. May not have started development as part of the franchise, but it became a part of that franchise and was released as part of that franchise.

Only by technicality.

This is like calling DK a Mario character due to some similarities.

Each series is entirely its own.

 

[A Distant Demon]

C) Xenoblade is BY NO MEANS AT ALL deserving of being placed higher on the food chain than Metroid. You know, the franchise that pioneered female protagonists in video games that weren't basically clones of male characters with sterootypically female things slapped on? That's a waaaay more important franchise than a single, somewhat popular JRPG series in a veritable flood of JRPG series.

No one said that


All that was said was Xenoblade not having its entire series cut is more important than adding 4 side characters from Metroid.