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Well, it's official, the infinites are removed, but they didn't remove our CGs! Oh, wait...
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Ice Climbers+ (Popo and his dimwitted frie- i mean Nana)
- Thread starter KarateF22
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FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
the code removed the alt throwing.... which is essentially our CGs. i told them they only needed to remove the bthrow alt. every other one ends at the ledge. ugh.... when will they learn!?
They had to get rid of all the alt throws. I agree that it would have been nice to somehow keep the other alts, because with their standard use they move towards the edge.
They were ALL potentially infinite though, just depends on how you do them.
Fthrow alt is infinite if you buffer the throws. (my personal favorite of all their infinites)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp6F9mmrGkw&feature=related
Dthrow alt is infinite if you use pivot grabs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjiloEDKFx0&feature=related
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
ah chibi.... but those were vBrawl. i don't know if they would have been as infinite in B+
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
i feel like we should have a new stage discussion. in vBrawl our best stages were based on how easily it was to CG and how hard nana could be gimped. with the removal of our CGs we should probably look at some new stages that favor ICs+ and their new play style.
for example, now that Mushroomy Kingdom is a CP it would be like more grounded RC. since our game is very horizontal (even with the changes) the flat ground makes for a very good CP for us, imo.
i'm thinking a new topic would be good for the discussion, but i don't want to clutter the character boards more than they already are.
for example, now that Mushroomy Kingdom is a CP it would be like more grounded RC. since our game is very horizontal (even with the changes) the flat ground makes for a very good CP for us, imo.
i'm thinking a new topic would be good for the discussion, but i don't want to clutter the character boards more than they already are.
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I'm really interested in some d-throw>blizzard and variations, it can rack up some good damage, I haven't checked with a lot of SDI and DI, though, I'll be testing tomorrow.
If my suspicion is correct, and squall does cancel some momentum, it'd be somewhat useful in this stage.
dgameman1
Smash Journeyman
Infinite is not removed...
Nightly builds 4.2
I can still chaingrab
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=6...5965eaa7bc68bc
Nightly builds 4.2
I can still chaingrab
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=6...5965eaa7bc68bc
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Didn't know you played B+, swordgard. Welcome, or whatever.
On topic:The Pummel>Blizzard>Grab release>Regrab starts being the best option at around 60%... I think. The one in the replay file can be escaped because Jiggs wasn't at least at 60%(They escape after the pummel).
You do realize blizzard is extremely SDI-able.
Just back throw delayed for medium to heavies to running forward throw.
KarateF22
Smash Journeyman
Guess whose back? I apologize for my long absence people... i have been preparing for college and life has been hectic. HOWEVER... i bring a new technique to all you ice climbers players. I will need help testing this technique to see if it is an infinite, or simply a technique that can only be blocked with 1-2 frame reaction time (seems impossible, but buffer makes it not quite as hard)
Without further ado, I present the (possible) infinite, the name of which i have yet to come up with.... new mechanics cause a ground grab release if we attempt a chaingrab from popo to nana.... because your opponent slides away, you cant just grab them again when the grab release finishes. HOWEVER, if you forward throw in a manner which causes nana to dash forwards, and then do a pivot grab on the opponent so that, briefly, nana grabs the opponent facing you.... the opponent is grab-released in the DIRECTION of Popo. Popo then regrabs. It is difficult to tell without extensive testing, but it MAY be impossible to react before the regrab.
To simplify:
1. Grab
2. Forward throw by smashing the stick forward to cause nana to dash forwards
3. Pivot grab with Nana (causing a grab release towards Popo instead of away from him)
4. Regrab with Popo, repeat
I have tested this on Jigglypuff, Bowser, Mario, Kirby, Snake, and Wario. It is possible to do on each of them, though Jigglypuff is exceedingly difficult to properly place Nana for the grab-release with. It works at any percent, and if it happens to be inescapeable this will be an infinite. If not, this will be a great grab mindgame to add to our arsenal.
Test and Discuss, feel free to add to what i have said above. Video will be posted tomorrow on this.
Without further ado, I present the (possible) infinite, the name of which i have yet to come up with.... new mechanics cause a ground grab release if we attempt a chaingrab from popo to nana.... because your opponent slides away, you cant just grab them again when the grab release finishes. HOWEVER, if you forward throw in a manner which causes nana to dash forwards, and then do a pivot grab on the opponent so that, briefly, nana grabs the opponent facing you.... the opponent is grab-released in the DIRECTION of Popo. Popo then regrabs. It is difficult to tell without extensive testing, but it MAY be impossible to react before the regrab.
To simplify:
1. Grab
2. Forward throw by smashing the stick forward to cause nana to dash forwards
3. Pivot grab with Nana (causing a grab release towards Popo instead of away from him)
4. Regrab with Popo, repeat
I have tested this on Jigglypuff, Bowser, Mario, Kirby, Snake, and Wario. It is possible to do on each of them, though Jigglypuff is exceedingly difficult to properly place Nana for the grab-release with. It works at any percent, and if it happens to be inescapeable this will be an infinite. If not, this will be a great grab mindgame to add to our arsenal.
Test and Discuss, feel free to add to what i have said above. Video will be posted tomorrow on this.
PKNintendo
Smash Master
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Okay.
Just recently starting playing as the IC.
They are much more fun now. (well to me)
Long live IC's!
Just recently starting playing as the IC.
They are much more fun now. (well to me)
Long live IC's!
Roxas215
Smash Lord
Just picked up ic's. There alot more fun in b+. Here are a couple vids. Let me know what you think(i know the quality sucks. I recorded it with my camera. Im going to get a dazzler soon.
Phillyrider(Ice Climbers) Vs Leafgreen386(Marth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PnU1pfWo0c
Phillyrider(Ice Climbers) Vs AeoJ(Falco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOAGqgY-ltE
Phillyrider(Ice Climbers) Vs Leafgreen386(Marth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PnU1pfWo0c
Phillyrider(Ice Climbers) Vs AeoJ(Falco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOAGqgY-ltE
PKNintendo
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Dude, {or dudette} do you pick up everyone?
Roxas215
Smash Lord
lol everyone is so fun in b+. Except for boring *** ddd and sonic.
PKNintendo
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*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
desynch dash attack to alternating nairs into a grab is the most tank combo ever. god **** i love ICs. tank as ****
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...And you follow it?
QCDI out>Run speed
Roxas215
Smash Lord
Whats the difference?? I've only been playing with peach/zss/ivy on 5.0 to practice for btl2. I should see how ic's are now.
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
They are fantastic. It honestly feels more like desynch combos are actually viable now, which makes me happy in the pants because I've been trying to play like that ever since Melee.
Mattnumbers
Smash Master
ICs are fun, but Nana keeps not upBing with me when I'm offstage which is incredibly annoying.
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Hella.
THAT's how you do it? I remember doing that in vBrawl a LOOOOOOOONG time ago, and instead found this.
But yes this is inescapable or escapable depending on your spacing between the two Climbers. It's not too hard to get them correctly positioned unless you're trying this on Jigglypuff.
Cia
das kwl
jalued
Smash Lord
at least they look flashy
and hard to do?
Cia
das kwl
Does anyone actually use ICz in B+?
yes, and they are a pretty cool guy who chaingrab and doesnt afraid of anything! (pardon my memes)
so, yeah, i sent you a video, Karate, check it out please thanks
KarateF22
Smash Journeyman
Not an infinite, sorry. Its a good move, just not infinite.... DIing upwards and SDIing upwards especially can get you out of it.
*EDIT* Ok i must now eat my words, it IS, at the very least, a situational inescapable combo on certain characters. Tried it a few more times... it does seem to work though its fairly situation.
*EDIT* Ok i must now eat my words, it IS, at the very least, a situational inescapable combo on certain characters. Tried it a few more times... it does seem to work though its fairly situation.
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So, new dthrow, and no solo dthrow cg, what do you guys think?
CloneHat
Smash Champion
omegablackmage
Certified Lion Rider
without the dthrow chaingrab, what can the icies do from a grab now? anyone familiar with their grab shenanigans mind compiling a small list of combos that are do able?
also, are all the same desynch methods still applicable from vbrawl?
also, are all the same desynch methods still applicable from vbrawl?
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Well, what I do is bthrow>dashgrab>fthrow>regrab.
dthrow>pivot grab>auto-grab release>regrab used to work, I'll have to try it with the new dthrow.
I'm sure there's more, but I haven't really been playing lately, there's lots to discover.
And, to your second question, yes, those still work.
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Nana can't grab anymore, at all. Thoughts?...
Other IC mains?...
Anyone?...
Other IC mains?...
Anyone?...
KarateF22
Smash Journeyman
If Nana can't grab anymore, im dropping ice climbers. HORRIBLE idea. Detracting from a character's uniqueness and meta-game just to remove something that is supposedly "broken" is never a good idea. Honestly, I think the only reason its being removed is more because the current people in charge personally dislike chaingrabs and less because removing them makes it balanced.
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Wholeheartedly agree. Except for the dropping part.