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Metal Sonic can be an echo of Sonic. But I still think Shadow would make a better addition than Metal Sonic.
Joker/Ren was a horrible heartbreaker for me!
Do you think we are going to have Alucard as a 3rd Castlevania rep before we get a 2nd Sonic rep in Smash 6?
i hope not, sonic was one of the most wanted characters ever its only fair that his series gets a bit more
Of course it's fair for Sonic to have more reps. Since he's the most iconic 3rd party playable character as of now.
Er, I love that Sonic is in Smash and all. But I think we should take a step back and not praise him to that level. Even as a huge Sonic fan who's favorite inclusion will always be him unless Tails does find his way in at some point. I don't think he's the #1 Iconic 3rd party ever to make Smash. I think characters like Megaman and Pac-Man certainly have a legacy of their own that's much older that could make them above Sonic. And maybe in some ways Banjo as well given he was pretty much a Nintendo character up until Rare was bought by Microsoft. I'd say Sonic is still above most of the others, but I think it's wrong to say Sonic should get another character because he's supposedly the most iconic.
id say pacman probably is and he and megaman are on the same level, but thats just how i see em
I mean on terms of being more Nintendo-centric 3rd Parties. Banjo was pretty much considered one of Nintendo's IPs even if it turned out the rights were mostly owned by Rare unlike how Nintendo still generally had Donkey Kong (Heck wasn't there a report that a Microsoft person thought that buying Rare took Donkey Kong away from Nintendo?). And as for Megaman, a good majority of the Classic games were Nintendo Exclusives when they first came out. So while Megaman wasn't as much of considered Nintendo IP as Banjo was Mega Man was still a huge supplement franchise especially on the NES.
they were one of nintendo's IPs nothing to consider, rare a nintendo shared the rights in much the same way nintendo and game freak share pokemon, when they went their separate ways nintendo kept the rights to all the characters they created while rare did the same
But why would we get like 4 new characters? Seems a bit much.
The reason why Sonic deserves to have like 4 or 5 reps is because Sonic is the most iconic 3rd party franchise.
There's a caveat that because Richter and Ken were echoes that the "rule" essentially became that 3rd party franchises could only get echoes as 2nd characters. If that's ever broken then Tails stands a great chance. But we also have to remind ourselves that a part of the reason we got Richter and Ken was some degree of favoritism on Sakurai's part.
No, stop. Didn't you see what I said earlier?
Sonic's certainly one of the most popular in Smash and certainly at least still in the top half of 3rd party franchises included. But to say the franchise is the de facto #1 most iconic 3rd party in Smash. Is going to get more ridicule then anything else.
ah but the thing is, those rules are purely in the minds of the fans, sakurai had never said such things, so proving or disproving them doesnt really mean anything
So if Sakurai's favoritism is a factor, do you think Sakurai is really going to make Richter and Ken as exceptions? Well a red flag that contradicts this is that Alucard was originally going to be playable before being replaced by Simon, and he got relegated to an assist trophy. But however, there could be a high chance of Alucard being promoted to playable in Smash 6. And (assuming Simon is still playable in Smash 6), Alucard would be a fighter made from Scratch. Another red flag is that Ken is semi-clone instead of a full-clone, and he shouldn't be classified as an echo. So Tails can still be playable, not as an echo, but a semi-clone/pseudo-clone of Sonic.
heres the thing though, getting one character in doesnt necessarily affect another characters chances at all
I know that already, but I wasn't saying that we can't have Tails because we have another character. I was just saying that giving a less iconic 3rd party franchise a 2nd rep, but leaving a more iconic 3rd party franchise without a 2nd rep isn't a good idea in my opinion, regardless of the order of things.
well unfortunately thats just something we as fans have to accept, certain characters getting in over others may not seem fair but its just the way things are
What would that prove though? How good a move set is, is entirely subjective. Wouldn’t it be just as well to have a popularity contest?
That sounds more like something that will just divide the Sonic Smash fanbase more so then we are already are between those 4. A competition is just going to promote the same arguments that we already have going at eachother at times.
Both of you do bring up Valid Points not gonna lie.
sure, wed just have to hope it doesnt go sideways
And then Knuckles is caught in the Awkward Middle where he's neither the most important Sidekick like Tails is, the Main Villain of the Franchise like Eggman is, or the More Popular Rival breakout Character like Shadow is...I guess he's the most meme worthy Character, but i don't think Memes get you into Smash though
i dont think any of us really have an idea of whats going on in sakurai's head
I don't think a more true statement could ever be said on this site.
thank you
and pretty much shattered the whole being able to fight argument.
To be fair though, any substantial Knuckles support was pretty much killed early once he was shown in Sonic's fighter video. So there wasn't much to actually dissipate. It was over for Knuckles before Ultimate speculation really started. Both Tails and Shadow were in it to just about the very end unless you count Tails' cameo on GHZ in the demos for Ultimate. But alot of us in this very thread said why that wasn't a death knell to Tails' chances right away.Yeah, that seems to be the main argument for him, but it seems to have dissipated considerably over time. Especially since characters like
and you made it weird
Dr. Eggman to me would be the 2nd best option next to Tails. Though I have a harder time thinking of Eggman's moveset. Because obviously he's not going to fight outside of a machine and actually walk unless they give him some weird mech suit that fits his body though he's never done that in a canon game of any sort. As all his machines tend to have a cockpit of some sort. I guess the intention would be to do something like Bowser Jr., though obviously it'd still have to be vastly different. If Eggman got in I'd trust Sakurai to do a good one, just feels like it'd probably be fairly easier and kind of a more popular decision to pick Tails, Knuckles, and/or Shadow (At least in Japan, while I think Eggman is well-loved in the West. I think of the Japanese Sonic fans they're very much more into some of Sonic's friends)
Here is my iconic 3rd party tier list
